Re: [blackbelly] Number of lambs
If well fed, at each lambing ! - Original Message - From: Nancy Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:11 AM Subject: [blackbelly] Number of lambs Hello, can anyone tell me how common it is for a BB ewe to have triplets? Nancy ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 27/01/2006 ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Number of lambs
In our management, selecting only on ewelambs which have been born in Septermber Keep only ewelambs out of triples or twins. Ewes have to be feed before breeding with high copper /zinc/salt mix Flushing with wild oats or oats, but not so barley or corn. Have three or four rams for breeding in the group.Much more lambs with several rams. If you have any questions, please let me know. If ever in Germany, go to the zoos and look at the Cameroun sheep they have, similar to the BB, less nervous and they multiply like rabbits. The American BB has much more Mufflon blood than what you see in Canada or in Europe as BB. The true african sheep type BB is extreme fertile, in my eyes the most fertile in the world. Best regards Helmut - Original Message - From: Crawford, Dr. Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info; Nancy Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Number of lambs Nancy: I had had only one ewe in the past five years that gave birth to triplets. We are talking close to 75 lambings. Steve *** Dr. Stephen Crawford Director of Bands Percussion Studies University of Mary Hardin-Baylor 900 College St. Belton, TX 76513 PH: 254-295-4816 FAX: 254-295-4158 EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy Richardson Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:12 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] Number of lambs Hello, can anyone tell me how common it is for a BB ewe to have triplets? Nancy ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellyshee p.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 27/01/2006 ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Number of lambs
At 09:55 PM 1/30/2006, you wrote: It was my understanding that copper in excess of 18ppm was toxic, and often fatal to sheep. Am I mistaken in this? If so, what is the safe dosage? No, you're not mistaken... Helmut, why do you supplement copper? Did you maybe mean selenium? I know selenium definitely has an effect on fertility. Julian ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Number of lambs
Because Hair sheep take same copper concentration as beef. They are different than wool sheep, need a different management.We run them as beef in same management. With best regards Helmut - Original Message - From: Julian Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Number of lambs At 09:55 PM 1/30/2006, you wrote: It was my understanding that copper in excess of 18ppm was toxic, and often fatal to sheep. Am I mistaken in this? If so, what is the safe dosage? No, you're not mistaken... Helmut, why do you supplement copper? Did you maybe mean selenium? I know selenium definitely has an effect on fertility. Julian ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.24/244 - Release Date: 30/01/2006 ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Number of lambs
I can find no literature that differentiates between hair/wool sheep when it comes to copper ppm. Helmut, I feel you are very educated on sheep and have valued your opinion on many matters. If you have access to info on copper I'd love to read it. It would sure make it easier to feed everyone the same thing and quit trying to make sure that the sheep are seperated out!! I'd love to hear of other folks opinion. I DO know this.a friend of mine bought 6 HEALTHY american bb because they were cute and turned them in with her cattle where they had access to a cattle tub. 3 days later they were dead. And no, they were not overly stresses and yes they were eating and drinking. 180 ppm in the cattle tub. Just my observation Carol, surely you know something on this matter ;) Stephanie - Original Message - From: hlang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Number of lambs Because Hair sheep take same copper concentration as beef. They are different than wool sheep, need a different management.We run them as beef in same management. With best regards Helmut - Original Message - From: Julian Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Number of lambs At 09:55 PM 1/30/2006, you wrote: It was my understanding that copper in excess of 18ppm was toxic, and often fatal to sheep. Am I mistaken in this? If so, what is the safe dosage? No, you're not mistaken... Helmut, why do you supplement copper? Did you maybe mean selenium? I know selenium definitely has an effect on fertility. Julian ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.24/244 - Release Date: 30/01/2006 ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Number of lambs
Three day's are very short time, did he send liver out for test ? See, it is like in regarding listerose or coccidiose, original african import are able to handle this, same as for virus disease, very resistant. Everone of us has a different type of sheep and I can only write about, what the sheep farmers do in our area.And they feed free choice kelp or salt with high copper level, especially when breeding. You have to find it out carefully. Here a mail I got this moring: I need some input on an article in the Stockman GrassFarmer. It is a page one story and I am sure some of you have read it. There is a fellow named Rick Calvo in Nebraska that raises cattle and hairsheep - mostly Katahdin. It seems he had a parasite problem when he moved his sheep from the Oklahoma ranch he bought them at to his place. Someone told him he had low copper in his soil. He then gave his 400 plus ewe flock a mineral mix high in copper and his problem was solved. I am not doubting this story BUT it flies in the face of everything I have ever learned about sheep and copper. Somebody please help explain this to me. - Original Message - From: Stephanie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Number of lambs I can find no literature that differentiates between hair/wool sheep when it comes to copper ppm. Helmut, I feel you are very educated on sheep and have valued your opinion on many matters. If you have access to info on copper I'd love to read it. It would sure make it easier to feed everyone the same thing and quit trying to make sure that the sheep are seperated out!! I'd love to hear of other folks opinion. I DO know this.a friend of mine bought 6 HEALTHY american bb because they were cute and turned them in with her cattle where they had access to a cattle tub. 3 days later they were dead. And no, they were not overly stresses and yes they were eating and drinking. 180 ppm in the cattle tub. Just my observation Carol, surely you know something on this matter ;) Stephanie - Original Message - From: hlang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Number of lambs Because Hair sheep take same copper concentration as beef. They are different than wool sheep, need a different management.We run them as beef in same management. With best regards Helmut - Original Message - From: Julian Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Number of lambs At 09:55 PM 1/30/2006, you wrote: It was my understanding that copper in excess of 18ppm was toxic, and often fatal to sheep. Am I mistaken in this? If so, what is the safe dosage? No, you're not mistaken... Helmut, why do you supplement copper? Did you maybe mean selenium? I know selenium definitely has an effect on fertility. Julian ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.24/244 - Release Date: 30/01/2006 ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.24/244 - Release Date: 30/01/2006 ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
