Re: [blackbelly] Newborns
Have you checked her bag? If the bag is inflamed from mastitis the momma won't let them nurse. Or, if the bag is damaged from previous mastitis the momma knows that the babies are wasting their time trying to get milk. I assume the ewe is in good body condition. If she is in poor condition she may not be able to make enough milk. I had one ewe this last December that was not able to make milk. We raised her baby on the bottle and it is doing fine. If you can bottle feed the lambs it would probably be best. The lambs can have fierce loyalty to momma. If they are physically removed from momma so they cannot see or hear her you will have more success. Culling is hard but it may be time for your ewe to go. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JULIE RIHA Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:19 AM To: blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] Newborns My last twin newborns are still teeny tiny. The other one still does not suck on the bottle at all. When I let him down he runs to mom and wants to nurse but she pushes him aside, as usual. I have two ewes I cannot tell between, but I think this one is the ewe that did not let her lamb from last year even come up to her to nurse and I had to bottlefeed. Julie Riha [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Newborn lambs
Thank you Terry and Mark for your input. It is very much appreciated. I did check the bag and seems fine to me. I milked both sides to make sure milk was coming out. I have been trying the bottle. They seem not to have a very strong suck, so maybe it is not mom, I don't know. They are slowly adjusting to the bottle. I do still have them with mom. They lay with her at night so that help keeps them warm. It has been terribly cold here until a couple of days ago, so didn't want to take the lambs away from mom. It has warmed up some but expecting rain and a bit cooler by the weekend. I have different color collars on most of my ewes. For some reason I ended up putting the same color on these two. I am waiting still for the others to lamb. If when the other ewe lambs and she does great then I will know this is the same ewe that disowned her lamb last time. I know it would probably be better to cull her but with such a small herd and not many options for picking up another, I am planning to wait and see what happens. She is still in the stanchion just because I want her to get use to me more than she was before. Julie Riha [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] things you can do regarding NAIS
I'm going to ask you to do two things: 1. Read the rather lengthy article at http://www.farm-garden.com/node/802/print written by Lynn Miller, editor, founder, and publisher of the Small Farmer's Journal. Some of the article is a bit overdramatized, but it illustrates the point of what MIGHT happen to small farmers after NAIS is implemented. Read it and form your own opinion. 2. Visit the web site at http://www.stopanimalid.org/ and do at least ONE of the things listed in the Get Involved list. It can be simple and quick. It can perhaps make a difference. For those of you new to the list, NAIS is the National Animal Identification System, to become federal law by 2007. It will require us to tag all livestock and report all movement of the livestock, deaths, etc. to the government. I have some pretty strong opinions about it, but it would be better for you to learn everything you can about it on your own because I cannot speak without bias. Items #1 and #2 above each have a list of excellent resources that will get you started. Carol Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the Barbados Blackbelly Online Store http://www.cafepress.com/blackbellysheep ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Some of the article
Don't think that he overdramtized. Most of today's population are already top slaves and have no clue what real live is,free live. Lots of illusion, and let the Government do kind of live.. So it is good if someone does it as strong as possible, to send the message. Anyhow, it does not need long time and the humans on this continent are as weak as the sheep let them fight !Quality live is important, and where I live, they don't have a clue what quality live is. Working in the day in front of a computer or in factory, evening TV and beer...no energies to fight or to create. So we should be happy for every person able to understand and to wake others up. Regards Helmut - Original Message - From: Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:08 PM Subject: [blackbelly] things you can do regarding NAIS I'm going to ask you to do two things: 1. Read the rather lengthy article at http://www.farm-garden.com/node/802/print written by Lynn Miller, editor, founder, and publisher of the Small Farmer's Journal. Some of the article is a bit overdramatized, but it illustrates the point of what MIGHT happen to small farmers after NAIS is implemented. Read it and form your own opinion. 2. Visit the web site at http://www.stopanimalid.org/ and do at least ONE of the things listed in the Get Involved list. It can be simple and quick. It can perhaps make a difference. For those of you new to the list, NAIS is the National Animal Identification System, to become federal law by 2007. It will require us to tag all livestock and report all movement of the livestock, deaths, etc. to the government. I have some pretty strong opinions about it, but it would be better for you to learn everything you can about it on your own because I cannot speak without bias. Items #1 and #2 above each have a list of excellent resources that will get you started. Carol Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the Barbados Blackbelly Online Store http://www.cafepress.com/blackbellysheep ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/267 - Release Date: 22/02/2006 ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] This is all just a guise to get more taxes
This is all just a guise to get more taxes don't think so, what they like to do, more control and that your get used to be step by step controlled - Original Message - From: Cecil Bearden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] things you can do regarding NAIS I got a call from the USDA about Christmas time... They wanted to know how many sheep I had and how many I sold and haow many died, etc etc. etc.. I did not really think much about it until I asked her about getting some more ID tags and she said I would have to call the state... I then figured out this was the US govt... This is all just a guise to get more taxes. Livestock trading has long been a sore spot with the IRS folks cause they can't trace it... - Original Message - From: Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: [blackbelly] things you can do regarding NAIS I'm going to ask you to do two things: 1. Read the rather lengthy article at http://www.farm-garden.com/node/802/print written by Lynn Miller, editor, founder, and publisher of the Small Farmer's Journal. Some of the article is a bit overdramatized, but it illustrates the point of what MIGHT happen to small farmers after NAIS is implemented. Read it and form your own opinion. 2. Visit the web site at http://www.stopanimalid.org/ and do at least ONE of the things listed in the Get Involved list. It can be simple and quick. It can perhaps make a difference. For those of you new to the list, NAIS is the National Animal Identification System, to become federal law by 2007. It will require us to tag all livestock and report all movement of the livestock, deaths, etc. to the government. I have some pretty strong opinions about it, but it would be better for you to learn everything you can about it on your own because I cannot speak without bias. Items #1 and #2 above each have a list of excellent resources that will get you started. Carol Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the Barbados Blackbelly Online Store http://www.cafepress.com/blackbellysheep ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/267 - Release Date: 22/02/2006 ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] things you can do regarding NAIS
Cecil, I fear this is much more dire than simply wanting more tax money. Our government has long been working outside the boundaries that we defined when we created it to be our SERVANT government via the Constitution and the BIll of Rights. The NAIS is one step closer to a total national ID system for people. Radio chips in all of us, implanted at birth just as we are now automatically assigned a national ID number (Social Security number). (Americans are now being told these are a great way to keep track of children and elderly adults with alzheimers.) By outsourcing the database to the Beef Association, it relinquishes responsibility for security or accountability. But all of that aside, what it means to simple Joes like you and me is that we will be paying for this. All Americans will pay for this. Shepherds will pay in labor and time, and costs of tagging and inconvenience. Americans will pay because we will need to pass these costs onto the market, so the price of meat in the food chain will rise. And we all will pay because we have relinquished one more aspect of our privacy and self-determination to the government. And, as Helmut said, most Americans already believe that government control and care are good things. We forget that we are the only nation in the entire world to have as a basis of our government a document that recognizes that humans are NOT subjects of their governments and that, in fact, our government is servant to US. The government is coloring so far outside the lines of our Constitution that I fear only another total revolution can regain the freedoms that we have already allowed our government to take from us. I'll stop now. It raises my blood pressure. Carol This is all just a guise to get more taxes. Livestock trading has long been a sore spot with the IRS folks cause they can't trace it... ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] things you can do regarding NAIS
www.NoNAIS.org this site is owned by a Pastured Poultry listmember-- the discussion about NAIS on that list is quite heated at times. The government's agenda has been postponed- but it is still there. Most of us within the US can remember HOW the legislative process is supposed to work, but since we, as a nation, do not force that issue on our politicians, people who don't know which end of a cow produces the and which end the moo just legislate to keep money in their pockets. They Don't know the difference between a factory farm ( which can be organic or free range, by the way) and pastured livestock. LAst week, an Island in Germany was invaded my military personell and all fowl destroyed-- because a swan died from the cold-- the reasoning-- bird flu-- and NAIS is all about that type of mentality. We do need to fight-- with the weapons we have-- the constitution, letters, and votes, my friends. Speaking of votes, it is recommended that NO ONE votes either Republican or Democratic-- rather- cast your vote for one of the minor party candidates-- you will need to look for a lot of them, as they generally do not make it to the ballot list! Terry W --- Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our government has long been working outside the boundaries that we defined when we created it to be our SERVANT government via the Constitution and the BIll of Rights. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Newborn lambs
Julia, We also had a ewe who would not allow her lamb to nurse. This was 4-5 years ago. We bottle fed her first lamb and then her second lamb she did just fine. She has been one of our best ewes, as far as mothering goes since her first one. Her lamb on the other hand, the one we bottle fed, well, she didn't know what the heck that thing was when she had her first one. We learned to bottle feed, but put them in with momma between feedings and at night. They do much better that way.They interact with other lambs and their mommas and learn that they are sheep, too. We do not have our sheep (ewes) in separate pens when they lamb. Sort of the old standard that only the strong survive. So far we lose maybe one or two each season. except for twins and new mothers. Sheep are not the smartest creatures in the world. The lambs get off with the rest of the lambs and lose mommy and she is of course, over yonder eating some really good grass and is oblivious to the cries of her baby. Until,. suddenly she remembers .. oh my goodness, I have a baby somewhere. Hang in there ... if she was not raised with her momma ... by that I mean, nursed by her from birth, it may take a time or two to realize what she is supposed to do with that little thing. Helen ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
