Re: [blackbelly] DE

2006-06-23 Thread Julian Hale
At 04:59 PM 6/22/2006, you wrote:
Julian, can you quote your source?  How could DE cut up internal worms 
and maggots, and not earthworms or dung beetle larvae?  I am not 
challenging you, I'd just like to read it from the source.

Thanks,
Barb

Well, as I said, it's anecdotal on the dung beetles.  Unfortunately, it was a 
friend of the rancher who posted, and not the rancher himself.  However, there 
was a report there about a rancher who feeds DE regularly, and still has tons 
of dung beetles.  I think having chickens is probably more detrimental to dung 
beetle populations...

As for earthworms:

http://www.dirtdoctor.com/view_org_research.php?id=41
http://www.ghorganics.com/DiatomaceousEarth.html
http://www.freshwaterde.com/
http://www.shagbarkridge.com/info/de.html

Worm farmers(ranchers?) apparently use it to treat their worm beds for fungus 
gnat larvae, parasites, etc.

You can find more at:
http://www.google.com/search?q=diatomaceous+earthworms

Julian 

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Re: [blackbelly] DE

2006-06-23 Thread Julian Hale
At 06:40 PM 6/22/2006, you wrote:
I don't know if it's true or not, but many sites say the DE you buy for the
pool filters doesn't work the same as the 'nursery' or food grade DE.  It
may just be hype from the people that want you to buy the expensive DE, I
don't know.  

Yes, you don't want the filter grade, you want food grade.  The filter stuff 
has been treated, and is no good for our purposes.

Julian 

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Re: [blackbelly] sale prices in OKla

2006-06-23 Thread Johnson, Oneta
I am glad I am not the only one who loves theses guys so much I feel guilty 
butchering them.  We pick one.  Ignore it as best as possible.  (Don't Laugh) 
and then take it to the butcher and drop him off.  They are not to do anything 
to it till I leave and just let me pick him up in those white packages.  I have 
to drive father off to get a butcher that kills at the plant but I do not care. 
 It would be emotional to me, the other sheep, the dogs and the horses to have 
them killed at the farm.  
OJ 

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Bearden
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Barb:
Thanks for the encouragement, but I really do not have the heart or lack of 
it to butcher one of my lambs.  I have the experience, the equipment and 
could make a walk in cooler our of an old airconditioner unit, I have done 
that for others.  I can skin and butcher most any animal, but after bringing 
these guys into the world, I just can't take them out

sign me gutless  in Oklahoma


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 Cecil,
 I think you're hitting on a painful truth that is being recognized far
 and wide - that the small farmer, in order to survive, has to go direct
 to the consumer.  Most farmers don't want to be marketers.  But a lot of
 consumers out there are getting wise to the consequences of factory
 farming.  They WANT to meet the farmer, to buy natural food, to be
 educated about the differences between factory raised and farm raised,
 and to get in touch with their food again.

 The person who has to buy it can never experience the almost holy
 experience of conjuring perfect food up from the earth, and raising it
 and ultimately eating it, but it doesn't take long to educate the palate
 to the difference between real food and adulterated.  In our case, our
 bodies are beginning to reject anything that isn't raised on the farm,
 or isn't organic.

 We have to start with something that nobody else has, and we have that!
 Then we have to raise it so it is better than anything else - and I
 think Blackbelly can be better or WORSE than store-bought, depending on
 how it's raised - and then we have to get a leash on our independent
 spirits and go out and get our customers.

 There is a LOT written on farmer-to-consumer these days, it's becoming
 critical to survival of the small farm.  It CAN be done.  But we have to
 get off the farm to get people to come to the farm.  This is going to be
 the worst part of all of it for me.  That, and taking somebody's money
 from their hand, and not through the sale yard office.

 YOU need encourangement, my friend, and maybe start reading up on the
 experiences of other farmer-entrepreneurs.  I can make some reading
 suggestions, and perhaps others can share some of their marketing
 expertise.  I am scared to death too, but having had a promising
 experience this spring, I know my upscale market is out there, I know
 that certain people will say name your price if you give them a
 sample.  They don't have to be health conscious, they can just be
 enthusiastic foodies.

 There is a whole new movement to eat locally - it is going to be as
 powerful as the organic movement.  They say most of our food has
 travelled at least 1500 miles to arrive on our plates.  That is not
 sustainable, it's not supporting the local community, and people are
 beginning to twig that agriculture - food - the staff of life - is
 slowly coming under the control of a few mega-corporations that don't
 care about raising food, they care about making a profit.

 Cecil, there are so many reasons to keep trying, and to reach out of
 this murderous commodities box and enter the farmer-to-consumer
 movement.

 YOU have so much skill, and so much to offer!  Please, let's all start
 educating ourselves about these critical issues and stop trying to
 compete in the commodities markets!  Our buyers are out there!  We just
 ALL need to learn how to make the farm-fresh, exquisite, perfect food
 experience accessible to people who are - literally - dying for it!!!

 Kindest regards to you Cecil!

 Barb Lee - Proud to have had a Greek chef declare of my lamb, This is
 the SWEETEST lamb I have ever tasted!


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Re: [blackbelly] Sheep prices

2006-06-23 Thread Cecil Bearden
I sold one that had a great set of horns in February this year that should 
have brought $200, but only brought $75.  We had some snow that morning.  I 
think I should have figured out earlier that the Perkins sale is a Goat sale 
not sheep  I am looking at a food coop here in OK...  What have I got to 
lose..  I already lost $300 on that last load

Cecil in OKla


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 That is a fact about low prices. If the border was closed better and the
 sheep not brought in illegally from Mexico then the price would go up. We
 raise stock for hunting as well as meat. They go into Mexico and pay $10 
 or
 $20 for rams that take 4 - 6 years to raise. They then bring them to 
 exotic
 sales and sell them for a couple of hundred. We can't do it for that . It
 cost more than that in feed for that length of time. They then sell them 
 on
 game ranches for $1000 a hunt. We have been offered world class record 
 sheep
 for only $300 each but they are from Mexico and we won't buy them. Nancy

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