Re: [Blackbelly] copper

2008-04-25 Thread Terry
Unless you remove the forage, and destroy it in another
area, the 'metals' will remain. That is how toxic areas are
phytoremediated-- plants that are known to pick up
certain/specific toxins are planted, then removed to be
destroyed elsewhere. At this stage of the game,  I would
not worry about excess copper- after 7+ years, much of it
may have leached deeper or bound up. If you have real
concerns, you can have plant samples tested to see if the
plants are picking up what you do not want your sheep to
ingest in large enough quantities to be hazardous.

 Terry W
 Frosted Acres
 
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Nancy & Tom Richardson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello, Does anyone know how long copper stays in the
> ground and comes up in
> > the grass? We have a chance to put our sheep out on
> some grass that had hogs
> > on it about 7 - 10 years ago. Will the copper still be
> coming up in it? Just
> > want an opinion doesn't have to be fact. Nancy



  

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Re: [Blackbelly] copper

2008-04-25 Thread Cathy Mayton
Copper and other metals are normally found in the ground and although
we try to avoid copper, it is an essential metal required by life.
Whether you realize it or not there is probably small amounts of
copper in whatever you are currently feeding.  I have been giving my
sheep kelp as a replacement for the normal sheep minerals for almost a
year now and they are very healthy.  The kelp has some copper in it
but because it a plant material the copper that is in the kelp does
not produce toxic levels.  Last Fall I started giving my sheep Celtic
sea salt that has 81 different minerals in it.

All of ewes have produced large strong lambs and all without the use
of the normal sheep mineral.  You are more likely to produce toxicity
in the animals if they are provided with salt licks or given other
commercially produced minerals containing copper.  If your sheep were
free ranging animals, you can bet the forage they eat will contain
small amounts of normal occurring copper.  The sheep love the kelp and
their hair is nice and shiny.

BTW, my sheep are dry lot animals so I have to provide all of their
food and other nutrients.
Not scientifically based but this is my 2 cents.

Cathy
LeapN Lambs

On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Nancy & Tom Richardson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello, Does anyone know how long copper stays in the ground and comes up in
> the grass? We have a chance to put our sheep out on some grass that had hogs
> on it about 7 - 10 years ago. Will the copper still be coming up in it? Just
> want an opinion doesn't have to be fact. Nancy
>
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[Blackbelly] critically endangered Santa Cruz sheep for sale

2008-04-25 Thread Ron Keener
hello everyone!

this is an opportunity for a special person to step forward to help
preserve one of the most endangered breeds of North American livestock -
the Santa Cruz sheep survived on Santa Cruz island off the coast of
California for the past 100 plus years based upon their survival
instincts - these are not your normal docile sheep! - they have survival
instincts that I have only seen in the soay breed of primitive sheep
during my years of transport of the most rare and exotic breeds of
livestock in North America - you can read about them by entering "santa
cruz sheep" with the quote marks into the Google search field - you can
also read about the SVF foundation at the same time

during my MAR/APR trip I made a stop at SVF in Rhode Island to pick up a
herd of 22 of these sheep - this is roughly 5% of the ENTIRE known
population of 'pure' Santa Cruz sheep! - while I was sitting at the
loading dock waiting to load the buyer in South Dakota canceled the
purchase - I got on the phone and was able to locate a home for half of
the herd within a few minutes so I made the decision to purchase the
entire herd myself rather than leave them stranded in RI - I transported
the 20 ewes and two rams to eastern Iowa where they are now being
boarded on a privately owned zoo - the zoo has purchased 10 ewes and one
ram - the remaining 10 ewes and one ram are looking for a home where
they will be protected from interbreeding with domestic sheep

I am the owner of these sheep at this time - I have $150 each invested
in purchase price and transportation from RI to Iowa - a buyer will pay
me and will help me cover the boarding fees and the transportation from
Iowa to a new home - I will not be looking to make a big profit on these
sheep - I will be in the Iowa area during June so I can transport the
herd then

preference will be given to someone who can buy the entire 11 animals -
worst case I am told that there are a couple Santa Cruz ram lambs
available from another herd - this would allow splitting up the 10 ewes
into three herds (if necessary) - the buyer will have to convince me and
the people at SVF that they intend to breed the Santa Cruz without
mixing them with other breeds of sheep and that they intend to work with
SVF and the Santa Cruz rescue group so that the rare genetics are not
lost!

please cross post this message to any group that you think might have an
interested potential buyer 

please reply to me directly at my private email address below
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[Blackbelly] copper

2008-04-25 Thread Nancy & Tom Richardson
Hello, Does anyone know how long copper stays in the ground and comes up in 
the grass? We have a chance to put our sheep out on some grass that had hogs 
on it about 7 - 10 years ago. Will the copper still be coming up in it? Just 
want an opinion doesn't have to be fact. Nancy 

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[Blackbelly] JUN/JUL trip planning starts

2008-04-25 Thread Ron Keener
hello everyone!

the MAR/APR trip was completed this past weekend - 20,000 miles plus in
5 weeks - I hit more weather than I have run into in a long time but I
had nothing more than a few hours delay getting through it - I had
another burnt piston in the 454 engine so I am taking a drastic step - I
am purchasing a VERY low mileage used engine (70k miles on a 1995
engine) - this engine will be picked up in a few days, rebuilt, and then
installed in the van/RV - that will let my mechanic totally dismantle
and rebuild the troublesome engine without delaying my trips - in the
future I will be able to have a freshly rebuilt engine ready to be
installed at a moments notice - that means I can pull into Austin on a
Friday and leave Monday with a fresh engine installed! - having a back
up tow vehicle AND a back up engine and transmission for the main
vehicle means I will eliminate another potential delay maker for
transport trips - as far as I know I am the only small livestock
transport service that has gone to this extreme to provide reliable
transport

I am taking reservations now for the JUN/JUL trip - most likely I will
start with a quick run to the west coast to pick up a LARGE load going
CA to VA - from VA I will then follow a route determined by the
reservations in place at that time - even if your needs are tentative
please get with me so I can have an idea of what service I might need to
provide - keep in mind that gasoline prices are going to continue to
rise so transport prices will never be lower than they are now - my fee
plan fluctuates with gas prices but if you crunch the numbers it is easy
to prove to yourself that I can do your transport cheaper than you can
do it yourself without all the hassle and time involved for you to do
it!

I need name, address, phones, email, local directions,
and a description of the animals for the pick up 
and name, address, phones, email, and local directions for the
drop off to be able to do final planning

I do not monitor the groups closely so please reply through my private
email or through my TravelWithRonK Yahoo group

I will be going on Social Security in July - I expect that this
additional income will allow me to reduce my transport schedule to three
trips per year rather than the current four - four trips per year is
BRUTAL on me and the equipment! - I have been doing this pace for 6 plus
years so I am looking forward to a slowdown but that does mean that my
trips are more likely to be heavily loaded from start to finish - early
reservations will
become even more important on future trips
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