[Blackbelly] hoof growth
Hello, I was wondering if anyone else has noticed that the new hoof growth on their sheep is very thin walled? I have added clovite to the feed at the rate of 25lbs to 1500 lbs of cracked corn. But for my weaned babies I also add lamb 20, rolled oats, and a few soybean hulls. They have loose mineral free choice and are fed alfalfa hay for the small guys and orchard/alfalfa for the bigger girls etc. If you have what are you doing to combat this? It causes the hoofs to break at the toe tip where it is weak. This means extra trimming etc. Thanks for any suggestions. Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] New momma will not hold still to feed lambafter 10hours
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010, Michael Smith wrote: Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:14:23 -0700 From: Michael Smith Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] New momma will not hold still to feed lambafter 10hours Thanks everyone, all appears to be well now. This is my first time being able to witness the entire birthing process so I was a bit of a nervous wreck this morning. Sorry for the alarm. here's the nice pictures from this morning: http://web.me.com/mwsmith100/spring_2010/Ruby.html -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies. Very cute, when they call sheep precocial they mean it! Sure makes me want to call rent-a-ram for our girls (if I could sneak it by the boss somehow) Peter Wallace ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] New momma will not hold still to feed lambafter10hours
Hey its good to sound the alarm to early than to wait until its to late and it causes you to loose such a pretty little lamb. Everyone here loves to help its actually a learning experience for everyone when something new happens. Nancy - Original Message - From: "Michael Smith" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 15:14 Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] New momma will not hold still to feed lambafter10hours Thanks everyone, all appears to be well now. This is my first time being able to witness the entire birthing process so I was a bit of a nervous wreck this morning. Sorry for the alarm. here's the nice pictures from this morning: http://web.me.com/mwsmith100/spring_2010/Ruby.html here's the medically graphic pictures of the labor process from last night, in case anyone is interested: http://web.me.com/mwsmith100/spring_2010/Ruby_labor.html -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies. On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Nancy & Tom Richardson wrote: My thoughts exactly she could just be in pain when he does grab on! Nancy - Original Message - From: "Onalee Israel" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:02 Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] New momma will not hold still to feed lambafter 10hours Hi, I didn't read all the posts, so sorry if this is a repeat, but her bag may be very sore - you might want to milk out some of the milk and ease the pressure on her bag and then she may let the baby suck. Onalee ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] New momma will not hold still to feed lambafter 10hours
Thanks everyone, all appears to be well now. This is my first time being able to witness the entire birthing process so I was a bit of a nervous wreck this morning. Sorry for the alarm. here's the nice pictures from this morning: http://web.me.com/mwsmith100/spring_2010/Ruby.html here's the medically graphic pictures of the labor process from last night, in case anyone is interested: http://web.me.com/mwsmith100/spring_2010/Ruby_labor.html -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies. On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Nancy & Tom Richardson wrote: > My thoughts exactly she could just be in pain when he does grab on! Nancy > - Original Message - From: "Onalee Israel" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:02 > Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] New momma will not hold still to feed lambafter > 10hours > > >> Hi, >> I didn't read all the posts, so sorry if this is a repeat, but her bag may >> be very sore - you might want to milk out some of the milk and ease the >> pressure on her bag and then she may let the baby suck. >> >> >> Onalee >> >> >> ___ >> This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list >> Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info >> > > ___ > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info > ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] New momma will not hold still to feed lambafter 10hours
My thoughts exactly she could just be in pain when he does grab on! Nancy - Original Message - From: "Onalee Israel" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:02 Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] New momma will not hold still to feed lambafter 10hours Hi, I didn't read all the posts, so sorry if this is a repeat, but her bag may be very sore - you might want to milk out some of the milk and ease the pressure on her bag and then she may let the baby suck. Onalee ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] New momma will not hold still to feed lamb after 10hours
Hi, I didn't read all the posts, so sorry if this is a repeat, but her bag may be very sore - you might want to milk out some of the milk and ease the pressure on her bag and then she may let the baby suck. Onalee ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] New momma will not hold still to feed lamb after 10hours
OK thanks for the response, Liz. She just started holding still for him and he's definitely feeding, eve with me standing 4 feet away. pictures, soon. _Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Michael Smith wrote: > placenta was passed. it was a big, single baby. I did go in and look > just now, and she's now starting to squat for him, but still won't > hold still, so I know the instinct is there. > > She "could" be feeding him while we are not there, but every time I > sneak up on them, she's already moving in circles around him as I > approach. She is also our most tame ewe, and was not freaked out when > I handed her her wet baby last night. Otherwise, she was just standing > there, in shock, 8 feet away from him, and ignoring his cries for more > than 5 minutes. When I handed him to her, she sniffed and instantly > knew it was hers, and started cleaning him. > > -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies. > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Liz Radi wrote: >> Michael, >> Did she pass the placenta, and has no other lambs in her? >> She should not be shivering, and should be more interested in her alfalfa >> and other hay. >> I have had goats side step and not hold still for babies, as first time >> moms, my husband will hold the mom, and I will help the baby latch on. >> Sometimes have had to do this for several days. We would do this every >> couple hours or so, until they catch on. >> The lamb needs colostrum by 24 hours old or the antibodies will not be >> absorbed from the gut. I intervene with my alpaca if I have not seen >> cria(baby alpaca) nurse within 4-6 hours of birth. It is good that she is >> attentive to baby, are you sure that she is not nursing the baby when you >> aren't around? You may have to start bottle feeding, and need a source of >> colostrum, but leave baby with mom and she may start nursing. >> Liz Radi >> idar alpacas and nubians >> 100% ARI and homegrown >> Nunn Colorado >> 970-897-2580 >> www.alpacanation.com/idaralpacas.asp >> - Original Message - From: "Michael Smith" >> >> To: "blackbelly" >> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:04 AM >> Subject: [Blackbelly] New momma will not hold still to feed lamb after >> 10hours >> >> >>> we witnessed a ram's birth last night and it was about 10:30. >>> >>> He is still a bit wet and unclean this morning at 8am--but mostly dry. >>> She's still >>> bonding , but will NOT hold still for him to eat and it's 10 hours >>> since birth. She keeps side-stepping like she's being invaded, but >>> will talk to him and clean him. >>> >>> I am wondering if it's time to go in and check her udders and maybe >>> hold her while he tries to latch? >>> >>> It's also fairly cold, 45* with steam coming out their mouths, and I >>> am sure she was shivering, so I set up a large room propane space >>> heater, and gave her a good cup of oats whole grain, which she ate. >>> She's not really touching the alfalfa or other food. >>> >>> -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies >>> ___ >>> This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list >>> Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info >>> >> >> ___ >> This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list >> Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info >> > ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Vitamin B deficiency
Carla, Polioencephalomacia (metabolic/nutritional disease)presents with neurological symptoms, circling, uncoordinated gate, blindness, etc. It is from feeding too high a concentrated feed diet to encourage growth, of lamb or kid. It is caused by a thiamine deficiency. When the normal rumen flora are interrupted or altered, feeding too much grain, or horse feeds that are too high in molasses, moldy hay, and stress can also cause this. Maybe feeding more alfalfa vs. the concentrates would help put weight on the lambs more safely? Of course added gradually so not to throw off the rumen. Treatment for polioencephalomacia is IV thiamine for the first dose, and then subq every 6 hours until symptoms subside. When ever I have a goat or alpaca that are off feed, I routinely give subq b vitamins(you have to check the thiamine amount in the vits, I think I use fortified B complex) until their appetite is back on tract, as a preventative measure to ward off this deadly disease. Ruminants are basically big vats of bacteria, and whatever you feed the goat is basically feeding the bacteria. Just my experiences from the university of life, and living with ruminants. Liz Radi idar alpacas and nubians 100% ARI and homegrown Nunn Colorado 970-897-2580 www.alpacanation.com/idaralpacas.asp - Original Message - From: "Carla Amonson" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:21 AM Subject: [Blackbelly] Vitamin B deficiency Liz: Yes, our lambs were diagnosed with polioencephalomalacia. How was that determined? We have a really great large animal vet that actually knows something about sheep. He diagnosed it in two minutes. In Canada we do not get all those fancy compliments that you guys have there, and it seems that sheep are always third down the list after beef and beef. There is little for resources or information. So, I have never seen or heard of Diamond V. Our sheep do get a loose mineral but there are not vitamins in it. I was feeding the molasses mineral blocks but they have skyrocketed in price and I can hardly justify it. The Vitamin B is really cheap, so we will continue with that anyhow. Carla Carla Amonson In what you say of another, apply the test of kindness, necessity and truth, and let nothing pass your lips without a 2/3 majority. ~Liz Armbruster Just out of curiosity, how did you determine that it was a vit B deficiency? I reread your post, I guess that your lambs succombed to polyencephalomalacia, due to heavy grain cunsumption? I always add Diamond V yeast as a top dressing for my alpacas and goats for the B vitamins, to feed their rumens. Liz Radi __ Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/newmail/overview2/ ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] New momma will not hold still to feed lamb after 10hours
placenta was passed. it was a big, single baby. I did go in and look just now, and she's now starting to squat for him, but still won't hold still, so I know the instinct is there. She "could" be feeding him while we are not there, but every time I sneak up on them, she's already moving in circles around him as I approach. She is also our most tame ewe, and was not freaked out when I handed her her wet baby last night. Otherwise, she was just standing there, in shock, 8 feet away from him, and ignoring his cries for more than 5 minutes. When I handed him to her, she sniffed and instantly knew it was hers, and started cleaning him. -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies. On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Liz Radi wrote: > Michael, > Did she pass the placenta, and has no other lambs in her? > She should not be shivering, and should be more interested in her alfalfa > and other hay. > I have had goats side step and not hold still for babies, as first time > moms, my husband will hold the mom, and I will help the baby latch on. > Sometimes have had to do this for several days. We would do this every > couple hours or so, until they catch on. > The lamb needs colostrum by 24 hours old or the antibodies will not be > absorbed from the gut. I intervene with my alpaca if I have not seen > cria(baby alpaca) nurse within 4-6 hours of birth. It is good that she is > attentive to baby, are you sure that she is not nursing the baby when you > aren't around? You may have to start bottle feeding, and need a source of > colostrum, but leave baby with mom and she may start nursing. > Liz Radi > idar alpacas and nubians > 100% ARI and homegrown > Nunn Colorado > 970-897-2580 > www.alpacanation.com/idaralpacas.asp > - Original Message - From: "Michael Smith" > > To: "blackbelly" > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:04 AM > Subject: [Blackbelly] New momma will not hold still to feed lamb after > 10hours > > >> we witnessed a ram's birth last night and it was about 10:30. >> >> He is still a bit wet and unclean this morning at 8am--but mostly dry. >> She's still >> bonding , but will NOT hold still for him to eat and it's 10 hours >> since birth. She keeps side-stepping like she's being invaded, but >> will talk to him and clean him. >> >> I am wondering if it's time to go in and check her udders and maybe >> hold her while he tries to latch? >> >> It's also fairly cold, 45* with steam coming out their mouths, and I >> am sure she was shivering, so I set up a large room propane space >> heater, and gave her a good cup of oats whole grain, which she ate. >> She's not really touching the alfalfa or other food. >> >> -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies >> ___ >> This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list >> Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info >> > > ___ > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info > ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] New momma will not hold still to feed lamb after 10hours
Michael, Did she pass the placenta, and has no other lambs in her? She should not be shivering, and should be more interested in her alfalfa and other hay. I have had goats side step and not hold still for babies, as first time moms, my husband will hold the mom, and I will help the baby latch on. Sometimes have had to do this for several days. We would do this every couple hours or so, until they catch on. The lamb needs colostrum by 24 hours old or the antibodies will not be absorbed from the gut. I intervene with my alpaca if I have not seen cria(baby alpaca) nurse within 4-6 hours of birth. It is good that she is attentive to baby, are you sure that she is not nursing the baby when you aren't around? You may have to start bottle feeding, and need a source of colostrum, but leave baby with mom and she may start nursing. Liz Radi idar alpacas and nubians 100% ARI and homegrown Nunn Colorado 970-897-2580 www.alpacanation.com/idaralpacas.asp - Original Message - From: "Michael Smith" To: "blackbelly" Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:04 AM Subject: [Blackbelly] New momma will not hold still to feed lamb after 10hours we witnessed a ram's birth last night and it was about 10:30. He is still a bit wet and unclean this morning at 8am--but mostly dry. She's still bonding , but will NOT hold still for him to eat and it's 10 hours since birth. She keeps side-stepping like she's being invaded, but will talk to him and clean him. I am wondering if it's time to go in and check her udders and maybe hold her while he tries to latch? It's also fairly cold, 45* with steam coming out their mouths, and I am sure she was shivering, so I set up a large room propane space heater, and gave her a good cup of oats whole grain, which she ate. She's not really touching the alfalfa or other food. -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Vitamin B deficiency
Liz: Yes, our lambs were diagnosed with polioencephalomalacia. How was that determined? We have a really great large animal vet that actually knows something about sheep. He diagnosed it in two minutes. In Canada we do not get all those fancy compliments that you guys have there, and it seems that sheep are always third down the list after beef and beef. There is little for resources or information. So, I have never seen or heard of Diamond V. Our sheep do get a loose mineral but there are not vitamins in it. I was feeding the molasses mineral blocks but they have skyrocketed in price and I can hardly justify it. The Vitamin B is really cheap, so we will continue with that anyhow. Carla Carla Amonson In what you say of another, apply the test of kindness, necessity and truth, and let nothing pass your lips without a 2/3 majority. ~Liz Armbruster Just out of curiosity, how did you determine that it was a vit B deficiency? I reread your post, I guess that your lambs succombed to polyencephalomalacia, due to heavy grain cunsumption? I always add Diamond V yeast as a top dressing for my alpacas and goats for the B vitamins, to feed their rumens. Liz Radi __ Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/newmail/overview2/ ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] New momma will not hold still to feed lamb after 10 hours
we witnessed a ram's birth last night and it was about 10:30. He is still a bit wet and unclean this morning at 8am--but mostly dry. She's still bonding , but will NOT hold still for him to eat and it's 10 hours since birth. She keeps side-stepping like she's being invaded, but will talk to him and clean him. I am wondering if it's time to go in and check her udders and maybe hold her while he tries to latch? It's also fairly cold, 45* with steam coming out their mouths, and I am sure she was shivering, so I set up a large room propane space heater, and gave her a good cup of oats whole grain, which she ate. She's not really touching the alfalfa or other food. -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
