Re: [Blackbelly] Show halters
Try a mini horse halter. They also make an adjustable lead for sheep goats. Try premier sheep supply. Quoting Rusty Iron Acres rustyironac...@gmail.com: The kidlets have American Blackbelly lambs as 4H projects this year. We are having challenges finding halters to fit (most halters are too big). What are you folks using for lamb and ewe show halters? Thanks, Doug Noyes Rusty Iron Acres ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Looking for .....
am in north east mo. I have some from a gold medal ram. Nancy Quoting Jann Bach mtnrdgr...@aol.com: I am looking to buy or trade for an unrelated AB ram or ram lamb. I have stock from Gerry Krause's flock. Jann Sent from my iPhone On Apr 3, 2014, at 11:55 PM, Ron Keener wifi rkee...@realtime.net wrote: coast to coast trip planning I survived the accident in JAN and surgery in MAR - now I am about ready to be back on the road again - I am making long distance trips in the next three months - I have room on parts of the route if you get back to me ASAP - my contact info is on my TravelWithRonK.com web site - I always need pick up city/state, drop off city/state, and a brief description of the animals in every email I am getting enquiries about possible future trips - I am adding a list of tentative/long term transports below so that you can see what I might be doing in the future - I need a pickup city/state, drop off city/state, and an idea of the animals (even if tentative or just looking) if you want to be on my 'tickler' file list Here is what my current trip route looks like - go to Google Maps Directions to see it on a map - enter the first two cities on my route into Google - it will show a map with the route - then keep adding 'a new destination' by adding the name of the next city in the list - Google will keep adding to the map so that you can see the entire trip on a map The list of cities below is for generic information only. It is not meant to be a detailed itinerary. Do not panic if your stop on the trip is not listed here. Austin TX Lohn TX Mangum OK Everett PA Keene NH St Johnsbury VT Thorndike MA Bristow VA Petersburg VA deQueen AR Durango CO Elma WA Pullman WA Hanover KS Danbury TX Austin TX The list below is tentative and/or longterm - send me info if you want to be here TX to ND export IL to MT export OR to WI OR to MA OR to VT ME to IA OH to CA AR to WA find my contact info on my TravelWithRonK.com website - it is best when calling to call my cell phone number @ 512.923.4359 - I very seldom am able to answer my home phone or to look at messages if I on the road. If you do leave a message leave your phone number TWICE! I do not monitor the groups closely so please reply to my private email rkee...@realtime.net ron, tina, and jeremy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] sheep temperment
Hi we raise several breeds including horned blackbellies. We call it personality. And I feel that it is hereditary. We cull any ram who shows tendency to be a fighter, hit on gates etc. We have found this a good indicator of how they will be when they get older. We only breed the most docile ram also so it passes that trait on for the most part. Now we only get a bad apple every once in awhile. If he has great horns he is penned by himself until its time to sell him or we get another that is compatable with him. This includes bottle raised rams. Nancy www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch or www.rackasheep.webs.com ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] bottle feeding newborn
For newborns they need colostrum for at least the first 24 hours. I use a multi species available at the local farm storm. It is by Manna Pro and is in a green pouch. I mix 1 scoop with 4 oz of warm water. I feed if they will eat every two hours. But depending on size try to get at least 6 0z down within the first 18 hours. Had some tiny tiny lambs that I got 4 0z down and they made it okay. The one pound bag will do a lot of lambs and only cost about $13. Also keep what is called either lamb or goat drench on hand. If all else fails a little bit of molasses. The drench has vitamins and sugar that gives them energy and appetite if they are weak. I give any where from a dab to 1cc to start. Good luck if you have another and don't be afraid to email the list. Folks will help get you through it. Also make sure you have a pritcherds tit nipple regular ones are to big and hard for black bellies. Nancy Mossy Springs Ranch Quoting s2 s2k...@gmail.com: hi to all, sunday morning we had a newborn that was neglected by it's mother. we did not realize it till later in the day. we started bottle feeding but apparently it was to late. it died monday afternoon. can anyone recommend some type of formula that has the necessary nutrients that will be sufficient to give a newborn what it needs to survive the first 24 hours. thanks, Stewart and Deb in Mississippi ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] (no subject)
I always supplement. I have used MLS tubs which are mollasess based with great vitamins mineral kinda high at 38 for 60 lbs but it takes awhile to use up if your sheep are eating good quality hay etc. Or Kent brand loose mineral. And I use a protein block from Ragland Mills in Neosho MO. A lot depends on what I am feeding to what type of supplement they get. Good luck. Nancy Quoting Ellen Brouillette ellenlyn...@yahoo.com: any recomdations for a mineral supplement. Do blackbelly sheep need it? What I have been using seems expencive. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Re Dumb Lamb
As cecil says you have a bottle lamb for sure. I have raised quite a few. I would say he get stronger and drink more. I am a worry wart and feed about every 2 hours then increase to 3 and then to 4 etc as he gets stronger and sucks harder. I even start with a pet nurser bottle 2 oz with a long skinny nipple cut a little shorter. Then go to the red pritchereds tit. I use Kent milk replacer and dilute it by about an ounce or 2 per 8 oz. until they get stronger so as not to cause scours. Good luck with your little one. Nancy - mossy springs ranch ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Milk replacer
Boy sorry to hear that about your babies! To bad you can't hold them responsible for your loss. I have used both land o lakes and merrick. But I keep going with Kent. It seems to mix better and I never have a lamb scour on it as long as I put about 2 or 3 ounces of extra water with it at first for the first couple of weeks. I also use The colostrum multi species replacer that comes in a green bag at our Orschlens farm store can't think of the name right off hand. It mixes great and doesn't constipate etc. Haven't lost any lambs from these problems in years knock on wood. This year our Kent milk was cheaper than other replacers at $54 a bag. I think I went through about 20 bags because of raising our triplet Racka sheep. Good luck in the future Nancy in Missouri Quoting Nancy Johnson imgr8a...@comcast.net: I have used Land O Lakes with no problems. I'm so sorry you are losing these lambs. Nancy On Sep 5, 2013, at 7:32 AM, Cecil R Bearden wrote: I am waiting on my 4th bottle fed ewe to die. We raised 5 lambs on a bottle 2 years ago. Of the 5, 4 have not made it to 2 yrs old. 2 were autopsied and found to have under developed hearts. 1 was not autopsied. Besides being in my flock, the one common factor was that we used Dumore milk replacer from Tractor Supply. I was having a difficult time getting replacer. I started using the Dumore brand and continued in order to not distress the lambs from changing milk replacer. I have raised other bottle lambs on Land o Lakes and Merrick and the only one of these that died was from a coyote attack. I would like to know the country of origin of Dumore milk replacer. Just my $0.02 ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Rejected lambs
My guess is hat she won't ever take them. . You could keep her in a stantch and see if that helps any but my guess is she will only but them when they are out and they don't understand not to come back. I think you now have twin bottle babies. But that is just my opinion. Nancy Quoting SHession slhess...@yahoo.com: Hi all: I just had my second ewe lamb last night. She had twins, a ram and a ewe between 2:45 and 3:45 AM. When the first one (the ram) was born she began to clean him off, but once he moved she began butting him into the wall. Fortunately I was there to rescue him. She did a little better with the ewe, but not much. This is her first lambing. I have been able to hold her and let the lambs nurse several times. Is there anything I can do to help her bond with her babies? She is not nickering to them at all. Her twin sister who lambed Wednesday, and also had twins, has been talking to the babies, and they have been trying to get in with her. Her sister is a great mom. I was wondering about constructing some sort of a stanchion ( I know they make something like that) to make it easier to restrain her while they nurse. Could she be left in something like that for some extended periods of time so the babies could be with her, without her being able to hurt them? If so, is she apt to let them nurse without the necessity of my being there every time? These are my first sheep, and any advice would be welcome. Thank you. Sandy Hession ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] bottle lamb
It could also have pneumonia. I had a girl have triplets had to bring in 2 they were so small. Both did fine for the first 36 hours eating acting great. Then I left and came back 5 hours later the small one had snot in the nose and was going cold fast. I couldn't save her. She didn't have any signs of anything wrong at all it just hit her and that was it. Good luck. Nancy Quoting Cecil R Bearden crbear...@copper.net: Feel his belly on HIS left side see if it feels full. If so massage it and rub from legs to head on his left side gently in long strokes 3 or 4 times and listen for a burp. If no burp, he might be bloated. Possibly from not getting enough colostrum. I add colustrum to my bottle fed babies for the 1st month, no matter what the recommendation. If his eyes look pushed out from his head, he is probably dehydrated. Use more water than the milk recipe states. Use a feeding tube if he is weak. Do not overfeed, 20cc per hour until you are sure he will not aspirate. I learned all this the hard way. If you notice the bloat, 2 drops of palmolive original dishwashing detergent, the green stuff, in a cup of formula will break up the frothy bloat.. Cecil in OKla On 2/29/2012 7:12 PM, imgr8a...@comcast.net wrote: If the lamb needs nutrition, do you have any nutri-drench? This supplies a quick absorbing shot of nutrition. You can give it three times a day. I had a ewe that had very little milk with twins. If I hadn't started bottle feeding the first night, the little one would have died. Once her milk started coming in, they started nursing, but I was supplementing them with bottles for several weeks. I have Finn sheep as well as my blackbelly sheep and I just stocked up on all my supplies in anticipation of my two Finns having at least triplets each. One of them had triplets the first pregnancy. Good Luck. Nancy L. Johnson imgr8a...@comcast.net cell: 301 440 4808 - Original Message - From: o johnsonjq...@yahoo.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:06:16 PM Subject: [Blackbelly] bottle lamb Had twins born sunday n lost one. Second one was doing great n tonight/tuesday came home n momma ignoring him n hes just standing in the corner. Brought him home n working on bottle feeding but he is different from any lambs we have bottle fed before. Any ideas, sugestions, etc. Thank u. Oj in ok ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] What gives?
my girls do it frequently trying to figure out who is the dominate ewe of the flock. Also they get frisky before it storms alot of the time. Weather changes really stir them up if its drastic. Like today its 65 here in Missouri and by wednesday the high is only going to be 27. Quite a change and they know it. The warmth though has them feeling good and running around playing like lambs fat or not . Just a shorter run if fat! I lost my pet bottle girl to what I think was milk feaver today. Not sure though I have never seen it or had it before. She seemed fine yesterday eating alot etc but this morning down and gone within a couple of hours of finding her. She had had twins saturday morning. Now I have twins a boy and a girl. Jack Jill. Good luck with your girls. Nancy mossyspringsranch Quoting Natasha meadowskuv...@gmail.com: Hi All, Natasha here, in the Great White North, where it is finally cold like a regular winter! I wrote in the last while wondering what signs to look for when you have an expecting ewe...still no babies, but since someone suggested that the ewe may stand alone Dixie has been doing that ever since! Big fat sigh - I think she must have been reading my email. I'm sure she'll go as I feel she looks pretty big and acting quite matronly. Today, however, there's been trouble. It has been like an MMA wrestling match with a head-butting-free-for-all! Ewes are mounting ewes, heads are cracking, ears are back, nostrils flared, and everyone is acting a little insane. Perhaps this is normal? I've not been in it long enough to know. The two pregnant (fingers crossed) Katahdin ewes were going at it big time with their 9-10 months old ewe lambs joining in the fracas with head butting and mounting. Is this a hormonal thing? I pulled the ram lamb (hopefully potent fella) the first of January and he is nearby. Might the girls be in heat and not know what to do with themselves? I thought maybe there was a foreign animal in their pen as I saw them all running in a tight circle, one of the dogs was barking but not the whole crew. To top off the strange behaviour some lunatic fired off a shot very close to me! I was quite freaked out by the gut shot and felt very vulnerable standing amidst my ewes. What the heck?? In any event, with the ewes acting feisty and all - should I expect lambing to occur anytime soon? Should I make anything out of their behaviour or is this just what they do? Thanks, Natasha ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Hay for the winter
I don't know If my message went through last night but here goes again. We have about 40 ewes /ewe lambs we feed pellets to from time to time. We dump a bag of pellets in feeders and they gobble them up like candy. They are supplimented with either alfalfa orchard grass hay about 2 bales a day or when we have it all they can eat big bale of mix grass all they want when they have this sometimes we also give a little corn. The girls weigh from 45 pounds to 75 lbs. We have fed it to penned rams which does work well since there is no mess. About 2 cups a day plus a leaf of alfalfa grass hay and plenty of water. They need plenty of water since the pellets swell. Once they get use to eating the pellets they will slow down a bit and not eat as many because they feel full. The pellets are guarenteed to have nothing in them and be 17% protein. Nancy Quoting imgr8a...@comcast.net: How many sheep do you have and how much hay do you put out per day. You said you only use 45 bales for the winter--what time frame does that cover? Maybe because I've always had horses to feed, I find 45 bales to sound absolutely wonderful. Nancy L. Johnson imgr8a...@comcast.net cell: 301 440 4808 - Original Message - From: Double J Farms doublejfa...@wildblue.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 7:04:08 PM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Hay for the winter Carol: I have only used alfalfa pellets (the small ones, Tractor Supply ~$11/40#) as an added treat in a grain mix of corn and oats, or to the 12% All Stock pellets I now feed. When my pastures turn brown, I use Bahia or Bermuda grass hay (that is what is available locally in southwest Alabama) pretty much free choice and put out about 1/4 to 1/2 pound of grain per head per day. Decent local hay is $5-$6/bale and imported alfalfa hay is $14/bale. To carry 15 head over the winter I go through about 45 bales (~50#) of hay. Sheep still have access to the pasture and will nibble around but they really come running when I add a new bale of hay or put out the grain. John Carlton Double J Farms ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Alfalfa pellets/cubes
We have used the pellets here in MIssouri. They have been running anywarhere from $10 to 12.50 a bag. They are guarenteed to have 17% protein. The sheep love them and they seem to stay with them. And there is no mess to clean up. We also feed hay alflafa /orchard mix but are haveing to use some lesser hay since there is such a shortage due to drought and everything else going to Texas. We have 50 to 55 lb mixed bales for $5 . But there is always left overs that need to be cleaned up. Big bales are non existant now. Farmers are keeping everything for their cows., Nancy Quoting Elizabeth Radi lizr...@skybeam.com: Carol, Can't help you out with that one. Thankfully I have never had to feed alfalfa pellets, hopefully I am not jinxing myself now. But what I have heard is that the lesser quality alfalfa is used in making the pellets, and may have green coloring added. This is just what I have heard, and have never used them. When I lived in Arizona for 5 years, I tried chaffhaye. What I remember of chaffhaye it is a fermented alfalfa, and has the long stems for rumen health. I think it cost about what a bale did, and they all cleaned it up. It has to be used fairly quickly one the wrapper is broken or it gets a white flush on it. The goats and alpacas loved it. Used to buy it from a guy who was only 30 miles from us. I wonder what the cost of that is going to be with the hay shortage. I just bought 2 stackers of hay, one second cut orchard grass, and one 3rd cut alfalfa, the end of August. Hoping that that will last me. I paid $7.50 per bale, for 60# bales. I have 6 Nubian goats and 6 katahdins. I am keeping my fingers crossed. Liz Radi Idar Alpacas, Nubian goats and Katahdin Hair Sheep Nunn, Colorado 970-716-7218 idaralpaca.blogspot.com ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
