Re: [Blackbelly] Colostrum question
Hi Barbara, We tried all those nipples as well and found that our took to a baby bottle with in a day or two. None of ours ever bit the ends off, they did try though. Lorean I had to force feed ours by prying their mouth open and holding their head still (on my lap). This went on for a week or more. The only nipples they liked were the yellow and red ones and it was quite a chore to change them over to the Jeffers nipples after they became too strong and chewed he yellow and red ones to bits. It was Carol who gave me the advice to put some honey in the sheep milk replacer but I still had to force them at every feeding. Ironically, twice when I left them with men for a couple of hours they were eagerly taking to the bottle when I returned. The tiny Boar (two died) I saved was very picky and liked a mix with buttermilk in it. Aloha a hui hou kaua! (Goodbye until we meet again) Barbara Heavens POB 1869, Kea`au, Hawaii 96749 (808) 968-0814 ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Colostrum question
That's interesting to know because I tried the baby bottles and it seemed the rippled part they really could suck with was further back in their mouth than the baby nipple would reach. I also liked the way the nipples screwed onto a water bottle since ours drank about 12 oz every 2 hours. This was a lot more than the prescibed amount but they always finished the bottle and were crying for more in 2 hours. They're big and healthy now so I guess it was OK. I sent for a shipment of nipples from Jeffers with the feeding tubes just to have on hand since Hilo town can have a Nipple crisis at any time. On another note my ewe refuses to go into the yard with our bossy horned goat (doe). They're now in seperate pastures but nobody seems happy especially little bottle fed Harry (goat) who grew up with them. I just brought in a ram and I'm wondering if she's just protecting herself and possible lambs. This goat is awful and as soon as she kids we'll be trading her off. Aloha a hui hou kaua! (Goodbye until we meet again) Barbara Heavens POB 1869, Kea`au, Hawaii 96749 (808) 968-0814 ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Colostrum question
We have one ram right now that is being bottle feed (Babe). His mother is the best sociable one we have but she will never feed both lambs, she always rejects one of them. But Babe is about a week old now and he is only drinking about 4 oz. every 3 hours. After see how much your drink, is that not enough. We can't get him to drink anymore than that at a time. We have two other of her that we have bottle feed in the past one ewe (Faith) and one ram (Bustard Brown) with we had castrated. we have had some tell us to get rid of her but we just love her, so we just keep her. But this set of lambs will be her last for sure. Lorean That's interesting to know because I tried the baby bottles and it seemed the rippled part they really could suck with was further back in their mouth than the baby nipple would reach. I also liked the way the nipples screwed onto a water bottle since ours drank about 12 oz every 2 hours. This was a lot more than the prescibed amount but they always finished the bottle and were crying for more in 2 hours. They're big and healthy now so I guess it was OK. I sent for a shipment of nipples from Jeffers with the feeding tubes just to have on hand since Hilo town can have a Nipple crisis at any time. On another note my ewe refuses to go into the yard with our bossy horned goat (doe). They're now in seperate pastures but nobody seems happy especially little bottle fed Harry (goat) who grew up with them. I just brought in a ram and I'm wondering if she's just protecting herself and possible lambs. This goat is awful and as soon as she kids we'll be trading her off. Aloha a hui hou kaua! (Goodbye until we meet again) Barbara Heavens POB 1869, Kea`au, Hawaii 96749 (808) 968-0814 ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Colostrum question
I had to force feed ours by prying their mouth open and holding their head still (on my lap). This went on for a week or more. The only nipples they liked were the yellow and red ones and it was quite a chore to change them over to the Jeffers nipples after they became too strong and chewed he yellow and red ones to bits. It was Carol who gave me the advice to put some honey in the sheep milk replacer but I still had to force them at every feeding. Ironically, twice when I left them with men for a couple of hours they were eagerly taking to the bottle when I returned. The tiny Boar (two died) I saved was very picky and liked a mix with buttermilk in it. Aloha a hui hou kaua! (Goodbye until we meet again) Barbara Heavens POB 1869, Kea`au, Hawaii 96749 (808) 968-0814 ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Colostrum question
Hello I have a question perhaps someone else will have an answer for. I found a twin lamb that had been left by mom perhaps 10 hours withought colostrum. It then drank 4 oz. and will be eating more. Will this lamb have a chance to make it or do you think it was to late? I never thought to look in another shed when I found her with a single since she had a single last year. Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Colostrum question
I have had lambs survive while only receiving a little to no colostrums in the first three days. But... they do much better when they get all their belly can handle in those first three days. Survival probably depends on the size and vitality of the lamb. With an attentive two legger mamma, no hypothermia and such, I would say it has a good shot at survival. If the lamb is vigorously eating I would bet you have won the battle. Mark Wintermute Subject: [Blackbelly] Colostrum question Hello I have a question perhaps someone else will have an answer for. I found a twin lamb that had been left by mom perhaps 10 hours withought colostrum. It then drank 4 oz. and will be eating more. Will this lamb have a chance to make it or do you think it was to late? I never thought to look in another shed when I found her with a single since she had a single last year. Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Colostrum question
Here is what I remember: Colostrum is not the same as milk. Colostrum has antibodies which transfer from the ewe to the lamb to basically immunize against disease and illness. The antibodies in the ewes colostrum will quickly diminish to zero by around 24 hours after delivery. The lamb may operate on a different clock. Much is determined on when the lambs gut starts that clock. The lambs clock can be delayed for reasons such as if it didn't suckle (was abandoned) or was possibly pre-mature or cold. Keep in mind this delay of the lambs colostrums clock won't be very long. Rule of thumb is feed colostrums ASAP and frequently to any found lamb due to uncertainty of how many hours old it may be. Colostrum is still an energy/nutrient source after 24 hours even if the antibodies are no longer being absorbed. Much depends on the size and condition of the lamb. The smaller and weaker the lamb the more likely I would go beyond 24 hours (my suggested three days) with the colostrums. It is an artform that requires reading the situation. If it is a large lamb that ate several significant colostrums meals it is going to want real milk before 24 hours is up! In summary, as soon as possible try to get colostrums into the lamb even if it is stubborn and doesn't want to take that bottle. Don't give up. I cannot reference where I learned the above information it has just been committed to old brain cells and lots of lambs. The link below does provide good information. http://www.extension.iastate.edu/Publications/PM989X12.pdf Mark Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Colostrum question Colostrum is not supposed to be any help after 24 hours. The stomach lining is not supposed to absorb the nutrients after 24hours.. Cecil in OKla The Wintermutes wrote: I have had lambs survive while only receiving a little to no colostrums in the first three days. But... they do much better when they get all their belly can handle in those first three days. Survival probably depends on the size and vitality of the lamb. With an attentive two legger mamma, no hypothermia and such, I would say it has a good shot at survival. If the lamb is vigorously eating I would bet you have won the battle. Mark Wintermute Subject: [Blackbelly] Colostrum question Hello I have a question perhaps someone else will have an answer for. I found a twin lamb that had been left by mom perhaps 10 hours withought colostrum. It then drank 4 oz. and will be eating more. Will this lamb have a chance to make it or do you think it was to late? I never thought to look in another shed when I found her with a single since she had a single last year. Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
