Re: [Blackbelly] Copper/trace minerals. and a poll
Hi Terry, Barb Lee in Oregon is the person you are thinking of and she is no longer raising blackbelly sheep. You should have no trouble searching the archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/blackbelly%40lists.blackbellysheep.info/ The post you are thinking of was written by Barb Lee in 2006. She refers to the book Natural Sheep Care by Australian writer Pat Coleby. The post is at http://www.mail-archive.com/blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info/msg00660.html I summarized it in 2010 and added a couple other good links in that post to other resources about copper deficiency at http://www.mail-archive.com/blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info/msg02833.html Carol At 12:06 AM 1/3/2012, you wrote: I cannot get into any archived posts-- and I need some information that I recall was posted several yaars ago.. A member of this group, added copper to her sheep diet, and the herd health improved- based on a book that was written, I believe, by someone from New Zealand or Australia. Just finding the information source used would be wonderful-- Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Copper/trace minerals. and a poll
Thanks-- the information will help prove a point nn a farm seizure case. The family that the poll is about-- was told do this, do that' and the result was a dead cow wihtin 24 hours. Sheep have been castrated (Black Welsh Mountain,) poultry dies in the care of the 'rescuers' etc. The first court hearing was today, another in about a week, then trial. At lest today, the judge Stopped any firther s/n and adoptions bythe KHS, but it is continueing withing the 'rescues' that KHS farmed the animals out to. OH, In Colorado, ther eis a case of seized livestock coming up in the denver area the week of the 23rd-- both these cases are animal seizures with no warrants! Those people in cClifornia, watch out for how you sell your animals-- and in Texas, things are getting hot there, and I am NOT talking about the drought conditions you have. It warmed up one degree this evening-- i am sitting at a nice warm 15*F-- thank heavens for electric blankets... Terry W ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Copper/trace minerals. and a poll
I cannot get into any archived posts-- and I need some information that I recall was posted several yaars ago.. A member of this group, added copper to her sheep diet, and the herd health improved- based on a book that was written, I believe, by someone from New Zealand or Australia. Just finding the information source used would be wonderful-- also, there is a poll that would be beneficial to a case I am working on/for. The case is going to set precedents, for sure Please answer this poll only as regards livestock, not pets. The Baileys' hearing is tomorrow, so we need as many responses as we can get as quickly as possible. Please post this wherever people with livestock are likely to see it. http://justice4pnw.weebly.com/polls.html; Thanks, all, and Happy New Year Terry W Ohio ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Copper
To all of you that worried about copper. I have always put out a dry goat mineral for my hair sheep. They also had access to a cattle mineral block which they did use at times. I have not had any toxicity problems. TX may be one of those states that doesn't have copper naturally, I don't know. You have to remember that hair sheep have different requirements than wool sheep. Thank you, Rhonda - Original Message - From: Mary Swindell mswin...@siu.edu To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Copper Several years ago my friend and blackbelly sheep breeder Barb Lee posted quite a bit of correspondence to this e-mail list regarding some nutritional problems she was seeing in her sheep. She concluded that her sheep were actually suffering from a copper deficiency, and she had quite a bit of data to back up that conclusion. Her sheep began to improve once she added an appropriate level of copper as a supplement to their diet. It was very interesting because like Carla's note below, Barb said essentially that because copper-free sheep diets have been promoted so heavily, many sheep breeders overlook the fact that their flocks can sometimes actually be suffering from too LITTLE copper. I do not know if Barb is still subscribed to this e-mail list, but if you are Barb, it would be very helpful if you could give us the basics of this information again! Thanks in advance, Mary Swindell At 05:00 PM 6/13/2010, you wrote: Message: 3 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 06:41:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Carla Amonson chicki...@yahoo.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] Copper Message-ID: 711538.58666...@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Intetesting that copper came up yesterday as I was talking to a livestock nutritioust on Friday about copper. Did you know that sheep can very safely conusume up to 7ppm of Cooper daily? Our industry has chosen to promote copper free when in reality our sheep do need some copper and there are startig to be some issues our there with copper deficiencies. We cam get custom mineral mixes here according to feed and soil samples, but a minimum of 400 lbs. That is a lot of mineral, even with 210 head! I generally mix in some cattle mineral with my sheep mineral. There are many vegetarian dog treats out there-even a tiny bit if meat is a concern. That is supposedly what caused BSE if you recall and has made a 8 year nightmare of the cattle industry in Canada. I am a little more inclinded to believe the story about pour on wieners causing BSE myself, but still herbavors should not eat animal products of any sort. Carla Amonson ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/756 - Release Date: 2/4/2008 12:00 AM ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Copper
Intetesting that copper came up yesterday as I was talking to a livestock nutritioust on Friday about copper. Did you know that sheep can very safely conusume up to 7ppm of Cooper daily? Our industry has chosen to promote copper free when in reality our sheep do need some copper and there are startig to be some issues our there with copper deficiencies. We cam get custom mineral mixes here according to feed and soil samples, but a minimum of 400 lbs. That is a lot of mineral, even with 210 head! I generally mix in some cattle mineral with my sheep mineral. There are many vegetarian dog treats out there-even a tiny bit if meat is a concern. That is supposedly what caused BSE if you recall and has made a 8 year nightmare of the cattle industry in Canada. I am a little more inclinded to believe the story about pour on wieners causing BSE myself, but still herbavors should not eat animal products of any sort. Carla Amonson Sent from my iPhone ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Copper
Several years ago my friend and blackbelly sheep breeder Barb Lee posted quite a bit of correspondence to this e-mail list regarding some nutritional problems she was seeing in her sheep. She concluded that her sheep were actually suffering from a copper deficiency, and she had quite a bit of data to back up that conclusion. Her sheep began to improve once she added an appropriate level of copper as a supplement to their diet. It was very interesting because like Carla's note below, Barb said essentially that because copper-free sheep diets have been promoted so heavily, many sheep breeders overlook the fact that their flocks can sometimes actually be suffering from too LITTLE copper. I do not know if Barb is still subscribed to this e-mail list, but if you are Barb, it would be very helpful if you could give us the basics of this information again! Thanks in advance, Mary Swindell At 05:00 PM 6/13/2010, you wrote: Message: 3 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 06:41:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Carla Amonson chicki...@yahoo.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] Copper Message-ID: 711538.58666...@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Intetesting that copper came up yesterday as I was talking to a livestock nutritioust on Friday about copper. Did you know that sheep can very safely conusume up to 7ppm of Cooper daily? Our industry has chosen to promote copper free when in reality our sheep do need some copper and there are startig to be some issues our there with copper deficiencies. We cam get custom mineral mixes here according to feed and soil samples, but a minimum of 400 lbs. That is a lot of mineral, even with 210 head! I generally mix in some cattle mineral with my sheep mineral. There are many vegetarian dog treats out there-even a tiny bit if meat is a concern. That is supposedly what caused BSE if you recall and has made a 8 year nightmare of the cattle industry in Canada. I am a little more inclinded to believe the story about pour on wieners causing BSE myself, but still herbavors should not eat animal products of any sort. Carla Amonson ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Copper
My previous post eluded to the a little is good, a lot is bad. Since there are those that believe any copper is bad, I was trying to be cautious. We definitely saw an improvement when we added copper to the mineral mix. Interesting, we found an old study that used copper as a wormer. We tried it and it worked well. You have to be very careful with it since like just about any wormer, it can kill. With 500 head, we have had the ability to try multiple ideas since we can have a control group. Sharon -Original Message- From: blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info [mailto:blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info] On Behalf Of Mary Swindell Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 6:33 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Copper Several years ago my friend and blackbelly sheep breeder Barb Lee posted quite a bit of correspondence to this e-mail list regarding some nutritional problems she was seeing in her sheep. She concluded that her sheep were actually suffering from a copper deficiency, and she had quite a bit of data to back up that conclusion. Her sheep began to improve once she added an appropriate level of copper as a supplement to their diet. It was very interesting because like Carla's note below, Barb said essentially that because copper-free sheep diets have been promoted so heavily, many sheep breeders overlook the fact that their flocks can sometimes actually be suffering from too LITTLE copper. I do not know if Barb is still subscribed to this e-mail list, but if you are Barb, it would be very helpful if you could give us the basics of this information again! Thanks in advance, Mary Swindell At 05:00 PM 6/13/2010, you wrote: Message: 3 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 06:41:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Carla Amonson chicki...@yahoo.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] Copper Message-ID: 711538.58666...@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Intetesting that copper came up yesterday as I was talking to a livestock nutritioust on Friday about copper. Did you know that sheep can very safely conusume up to 7ppm of Cooper daily? Our industry has chosen to promote copper free when in reality our sheep do need some copper and there are startig to be some issues our there with copper deficiencies. We cam get custom mineral mixes here according to feed and soil samples, but a minimum of 400 lbs. That is a lot of mineral, even with 210 head! I generally mix in some cattle mineral with my sheep mineral. There are many vegetarian dog treats out there-even a tiny bit if meat is a concern. That is supposedly what caused BSE if you recall and has made a 8 year nightmare of the cattle industry in Canada. I am a little more inclinded to believe the story about pour on wieners causing BSE myself, but still herbavors should not eat animal products of any sort. Carla Amonson ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] copper
I read this on another site and thought that it might be of interest to some who have questions about copper in sheep feed. Nancy http://www.elcascabel.com/copper.htm ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] copper
Copper and other metals are normally found in the ground and although we try to avoid copper, it is an essential metal required by life. Whether you realize it or not there is probably small amounts of copper in whatever you are currently feeding. I have been giving my sheep kelp as a replacement for the normal sheep minerals for almost a year now and they are very healthy. The kelp has some copper in it but because it a plant material the copper that is in the kelp does not produce toxic levels. Last Fall I started giving my sheep Celtic sea salt that has 81 different minerals in it. All of ewes have produced large strong lambs and all without the use of the normal sheep mineral. You are more likely to produce toxicity in the animals if they are provided with salt licks or given other commercially produced minerals containing copper. If your sheep were free ranging animals, you can bet the forage they eat will contain small amounts of normal occurring copper. The sheep love the kelp and their hair is nice and shiny. BTW, my sheep are dry lot animals so I have to provide all of their food and other nutrients. Not scientifically based but this is my 2 cents. Cathy LeapN Lambs On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Nancy Tom Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Does anyone know how long copper stays in the ground and comes up in the grass? We have a chance to put our sheep out on some grass that had hogs on it about 7 - 10 years ago. Will the copper still be coming up in it? Just want an opinion doesn't have to be fact. Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info -- Cathy Mayton ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] copper
Unless you remove the forage, and destroy it in another area, the 'metals' will remain. That is how toxic areas are phytoremediated-- plants that are known to pick up certain/specific toxins are planted, then removed to be destroyed elsewhere. At this stage of the game, I would not worry about excess copper- after 7+ years, much of it may have leached deeper or bound up. If you have real concerns, you can have plant samples tested to see if the plants are picking up what you do not want your sheep to ingest in large enough quantities to be hazardous. Terry W Frosted Acres On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Nancy Tom Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Does anyone know how long copper stays in the ground and comes up in the grass? We have a chance to put our sheep out on some grass that had hogs on it about 7 - 10 years ago. Will the copper still be coming up in it? Just want an opinion doesn't have to be fact. Nancy Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
