Re: [Blackbelly] line breeding
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:20:26 -0600 From: Nancy Tom Richardson cjarr...@centurytel.net We have line bred for about 5 years to get the horn traits that we want. We started with Wingnut bred him to his daughters once. Then took a son Junior and bred him to those first of his dads which were basically his sisters and then the young ones. We did this twice and then used a son of his Zaggy a couple of times. We have pretty well acheived our horn look. Every so often we get tight horns but for the most part all are open some more than others. The widest we keep for trophy stock. Hopefully at 3 to 4 years we will be able to sell them for hunting/breeding stock. Nancy Nancy, your Ram's interesting horn growth reminds me of Racka sheep. http://www.sheep101.info/Images/Racka.jpg Do you know if you have any Racka in your sheep? (sorry if it's been answered before) -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] line breeding
We have line bred for about 5 years to get the horn traits that we want. We started with Wingnut bred him to his daughters once. Then took a son Junior and bred him to those first of his dads which were basically his sisters and then the young ones. We did this twice and then used a son of his Zaggy a couple of times. We have pretty well acheived our horn look. Every so often we get tight horns but for the most part all are open some more than others. The widest we keep for trophy stock. Hopefully at 3 to 4 years we will be able to sell them for hunting/breeding stock. Nancy - Original Message - From: blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 168 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info You can reach the person managing the list at blackbelly-ow...@lists.blackbellysheep.info When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Subject: Line breeding (Michael Smith) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:24:57 -0800 From: Michael Smith mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com To: blackbelly blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] Subject: Line breeding Message-ID: 3eabf8bc0912071524m6e2ac0a5sd07d5858049a6...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Interesting subject, especially using Mouflons to get horns in ABBs (which I have heard before). No one out here in California appears to have Mouflons. I'd love to buy some, if I could find them local. Here in California, the breeders I've been getting ABBs from tend to talk about Painted Desert sheep being bred in, to get horns. The undesirable traits you get from them, tend to be the white-ish, patchy coats, like this ewe I bought, not so much for breeding, just as a pet: http://picasaweb.google.com/mwsmotorsports/NikkiS_Sheep827081028AM#5242312330560955538 her parents have the traits, of course, and you can see Barbado sheep (as they always call them) like this all around California. http://picasaweb.google.com/mwsmotorsports/NikkiS_Sheep827081028AM#5239254141459622306 http://picasaweb.google.com/mwsmotorsports/NikkiS_Sheep827081028AM#5239254148708487762 but you will still hear people call them Barbado, even though they don't always look it. In California, I think there's very little interest in actually breeding polled Barbado (Which I have never found, here) or horned American Blackbellies, for any kind of breed/looks consistency. Aside from myself, I am the only one I know who is working on it in the North Bay Area. Everyone else does it to train their dogs, for market or for lawnmowing, but I haven't met anyone interested in breeding for any looks or traits. her brother was actually an interesting outcome, with his Painted Desert patches on his face and legs, but otherwise black belly and brown socks. He was unfortunately, weathered, and then, ended up at market. I thought he was an interesting specimen, even though he did not look ABB. http://picasaweb.google.com/mwsmotorsports/NikkiS_Sheep827081028AM#5242312383096529250 _Michael -- ___ This daily digest is from the Blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 168 ** ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Line breeding
Bob from Missouri,I've been inbreeding my lambs for ten years, always having used the same ram, and there have been no birth defects. I'm mentioning it because many years ago when I raised rabbits, the very first time I bred a baby back to his father, every one of the offspring came out blind! That was the last time I inbred rabbits. ?I'm sure it was purely accidental, but... I have some questions about line (in) breeding. I haven't done too much research on the subject yet, but I know that there was some programs done in the US in the 60's in regards to their cattle breeding programs-I am not sure what has been done with sheep. Bob said that he has been inbreeding for years. Does this mean that you started off with a bunch of unrelated sheep and carefully bred them selecting for traits that you found desirable? Are you breeding father/daughter or brother/sister or cousins/aunts/uncles? Because, in the cattle programs they said that they never bred close (father/daughter or brother/sister) in the initial breeding program before they went to closed herds. they also said that they used a number of unrelated bulls over a course of a few years starting with about 50 cows, and after 4-5 years they closed the herds and ran replacement bulls out of the herd. I understand that if you keep a closed herd and cull for undesirable traits you should be able to come up with a more consistent line. I do know of a guy in Sask. that has 600 ewes and he uses his own rams, but the gene pool is pretty huger there-we only have ~100 ewes. He said that he was tired of not being able to find rams that had the characteristics that they need for they cold climate, and I can definately see where he is coming from, we have the same problem here. As well, rams are so ard to come by, never mind good rams. Also, are your babies getting smaller in size witht he inbreeding? That is supposed to be one of the side effects of inbreeding that I do not want -ie Soays are very small due to the inbreeding of a herd of less than 200 over 4000 years. I was thinking of starting a program where we have two quality rams and work towards some consistency, as the variability with ABB here is so high. Two years ago we bred to two Mouflon rams(to widen horns out), as they are one of the origin breeds of the ABB and last year we bred two of those rams back to the the pure bred ABB ewes. This year we will run those rams on the purebred ewes again and a ABB ram on the crosses. We cull very hard-out of 35 ram lambs, we only sold 4 for breeding stock that we deemed high enough quality, the rest were wethered. We will keep ~15 ewe lambs out of 30. What experience does anyone else have with this? The one limitation we have as well, is that we can not divided the sheep up into infinate pens. Because we put the rams in in December, and we only have one central watering bowl that feeds three pens, one of which being the ram pen. (Winters can make life very complicated sometimes). Carla Amonson We did not change as we grew older; we just became more clearly ourselves. __ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
