bbkeys
Blackbox List, Is it possible to build up key combos with bbkeys, in a similar fashion to Xemacs? I want to make a ton of things shortcuts but i'm running out of combonations. Thanks for the help. DC -- Derek Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] "All men by nature desire to know." -- Aristotle.
Key binding for showing slit?
Hi, I wonder if there is a key binding for displaying the auto-hidden slit. BBKeys does not seem to have an appropriate option. In my mostly keyboard controlled bb I would love to view my swallowed gkrellm with a short key combination from time to time. Thanks for your time. Alex -- now playing.. to rococo rot - this sandy piece
Re: Blackbox 0.61.1 & Slackware 8.0
I do not think that it is specifically Slackware related. I own GeForce 2 GTS which works flawlessly. However, i use "nvidia" driver instead of XFree86 4.1.0 default "nv" driver. I still run Slackware 7.1 though I am still trying to decide if i should upgrade to 8.0 or just go with Debian :) igor > I've seen this raised in the history, but I didn't see much in the way > of details regarding the problem. > > I've been using blackbox with slackware for about a month now, as has my > roomate. We both have similar setups, but he has an nvidia graphics > card wheras I have an ati. We're both running slackware 8.0. > > Every now and then, usually (but not always) when switching desktops > (doesn't have to be desktop 2 necessarily) X shuts down with the > following message: > > Could not open blackbox style file > blackbox: signal 11 caught > shutting down > aborting... dumping core > > From what I could tell from previous mailing list posts, this only > seems to happen to people running slackware 8.0. I tried removing the > option "Focus window on workspace change" (I *think* that was one > suggestion to fix it) and that didn't help. > > If there are any other details I can provide, please let me know. It > seems to happen most when I'm running some java programs or xine (maybe > it happens when there's a larger load on system resources?). It's also > somewhat difficult to reproduce - it'll run stable for a few days and > then all of a sudden sig 11, but it's happened to me at least a dozen > times in the past few weeks. My roomate has just stopped using multiple > desktops and it runs stable for him now. -- Uptime : 1 day, 17:26
Blackbox 0.61.1 & Slackware 8.0
I've seen this raised in the history, but I didn't see much in the way of details regarding the problem. I've been using blackbox with slackware for about a month now, as has my roomate. We both have similar setups, but he has an nvidia graphics card wheras I have an ati. We're both running slackware 8.0. Every now and then, usually (but not always) when switching desktops (doesn't have to be desktop 2 necessarily) X shuts down with the following message: Could not open blackbox style file blackbox: signal 11 caught shutting down aborting... dumping core From what I could tell from previous mailing list posts, this only seems to happen to people running slackware 8.0. I tried removing the option "Focus window on workspace change" (I *think* that was one suggestion to fix it) and that didn't help. If there are any other details I can provide, please let me know. It seems to happen most when I'm running some java programs or xine (maybe it happens when there's a larger load on system resources?). It's also somewhat difficult to reproduce - it'll run stable for a few days and then all of a sudden sig 11, but it's happened to me at least a dozen times in the past few weeks. My roomate has just stopped using multiple desktops and it runs stable for him now. -Mike
Re: Fluxbox Licensing
On Sat, 2001-11-10 at 10:20, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > Why is this a problem? The BSD and GPL licenses are compatible. Actually, it's a one way compatibility. - BSD -> GPL - not GPL -> BSD BSD license allows for someone to take a BSD licensed item and use it in any way (including under a more restrictive license). It is this part of the BSD license that is not compatible with the GPL. Because of the allowances in the BSD license, something released under it can become GPL'd. However, something originally released under GPL can not become BSD licensed as the BSD license allows for something the GPL does not. Under the GPL you must return any enhancements made (other than those purely private) back to public. This the same problem with anything under the MIT license to my knowledge. Jamin W. Collins Note: I am not a lawyer, this is just my personal understanding. -- "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner
Re: Stupid question
* Whalen, Jon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Nov 10. 2001 18:31]: > >One quick question: > >How do I change the email address that I want this list delivered to? You unsubscribe and resubscribe with the new address. -- Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk "Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic and totally illogic, with just a little bit more effort." -- A. P. J.
Stupid question
Title: Stupid question One quick question: How do I change the email address that I want this list delivered to? jwhal [EMAIL PROTECTED] This communication (including all attachments) is intended solely for the use of the person or persons to whom it is addressed and should be treated as a confidential xwave communication. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, distribution, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you received this email in error, please immediately delete it from your system and notify the originator. Your cooperation is appreciated.
Re: fluxbox, blackbox
Jason vanRijn Kasper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If somebody wiser than I about the black arts of copyright issues > can advise me on whether or not it's possible/legal/beneficial to replace > the GPL-2 "viral" license in bbkeys with something more friendly to the > world, so be it. "Possible/legal": in an abstract way: yes. In this example, no. As the creator and copyright-holder of bbkeys, you can place it under whatever license you wish, even if you used to distribute it under another license. You can even place it under mutliple licenses at the same time (standard-example here: Trolltechs Qt). Note that this, of course, does not put the already released and distributed software quasi retro-actively under the new license (whichever you may choose). Note, too, that the above statement only holds if all of the parts of bbkeys are original, or you did receive the agreement of the original author to include the code AND place it under the new license. Sooo: It just occurs to me that you did mention that bbkeys contains GPL'd code (through bbtools codebase from John Kennis, IIRC). In that case, you have but two options: 1) remove all code that was originally GPL'd and not created by you. If you re-write all code from scratch[1] you can distribute it under whatever license you choose. 2) distribute it under the GPL "Beneficial" is subjective. -Jan [1] this is where things can get complicated: it's theoretically possible to infringe someone else's copyright by not only stealing the code, but writing code (from scratch) that resembles the original code to a certain extent. Were you to re-implement the GPL's code and it was a bit too similar, John Kennis could sue you. Theoretically. If he (and/or you) could afford a lawyer. One who knows stuff about Copyright in general. And GPL in particular. Obviously not me. IANAL. See header.
Re: Fluxbox Licensing
On 10-Nov-2001 Jamin W. Collins wrote: > I've attempted to contact the author of Fluxbox to clarify the > licensing concern over the Keys.cc file. It would appear that > grab_defs.hh also bares the GPL license. > > Jamin W. Collins Why is this a problem? The BSD and GPL licenses are compatible.
Re: new version of bbmail
John Kennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks, I patched bbmail and uploaded the new version > (0.8.1) to the bbtools webpage. I just upgraded from bbmail-0.6.11 to 0.8.1. I added the bbmail.*.mailbox.type lines to bbmail.bb as per the Changelog, and it's back up and checking my remote mailboxes just fine. However, the right-click bbmail menu is behaving oddly. When I first run bbmail, there is an extra line labeled "Close" at the top of the menu (see attached menu1.png), but it doesn't close bbmail. Instead, it executes the command from the line below it. Similarly, if I click on the second line, the command from the third line gets run, etc. If I click on the last line, nothing appears to happen. With this foreknowledge of menu items being mis-mapped, I click on the entry that I know should reconfigure bbmail (i.e. the item directly above the one labeled "reconfigure"). It reconfigures as expected. But now when I pull up the menu again, there's *another* extra line at the top (labeled "Reconfigure" - see attached menu2.png) and all the labels are off by *two* positions (and the last two menu items do nothing). Now with the menu labels offset by two, I reconfigure again by selecting the item two positions above the item labeled "reconfigure". It reconfigures and the new right-click menu has yet another line, this time full of gibberish (menu3.png). Finally, on the third iteration, clicking on the wrongly-labeled item that is supposed to perform a reconfigure (3rd menu item in menu3.png) causes bbmail to SIG11 and dump core. Hope that all makes sense, the behavior was difficult to describe. Happy to do whatever testing is necessary to help squash it. -- Bill Beal [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bildo.net/ menu1.png Description: PNG image menu2.png Description: PNG image menu3.png Description: PNG image
Re: bbconf
On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Christian Dysthe wrote: > I guess I wasn't precise in my first mail. I do get bbconf to save most > stuff, but not the Qt stuff: The BBConf Qt Widget Style. When I try to > change that I get an error message saying it was not able to save to the > file specified, and I have not specified any file for this setting, and I > do not know how to. Not that it is important to me to change the widget > look and feel of bbconf, but still... :) Create ~/.bbtools/bbconf.bb and it will work. Everything else saves because you specified a file. The prefrences dialog doesn't allow to choose, so that's where it saves. --gile
Re: bbconf
Okay, piece of crap balsa crashed on me, so this one's going to be even
shorter. Check to see if $HOME/.bbtools/ exists. And to see if the
directory is writable for the user running bbconf. And to see if
$HOME/.bbtools/bbconf.bb is writable for the user running bbconf.
On 2001.11.10 10:32 Christian Dysthe wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:13:20 +
> Kyle Donaldson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> |
> |To get bbconf to save it's settings, create the directory .bbtools under
> |your $HOME directory. Then bbonf will save it's settings in
> |~/.bbtools/bbconf.bb
>
> I guess I wasn't precise in my first mail. I do get bbconf to save most
> stuff, but not the Qt stuff: The BBConf Qt Widget Style. When I try to
> change that I get an error message saying it was not able to save to the
> file specified, and I have not specified any file for this setting, and I
> do not know how to. Not that it is important to me to change the widget
> look and feel of bbconf, but still... :)
> |
> |--gile
> |
>
>
> --
> Kind Regards,
> Christian Dysthe.
>
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Re: fluxbox, blackbox
You know, it's painful to even follow this discussion. Reading of one's
hard work as being described as viral... Yes, I'm sure that's what I had
in mind 2+ years ago.
Let's go back a ways bbkeys is written on top of the extremely
well-done code-base of the bbtools, written quite thanklessly by John
Kennis. You know, bbpager, bbapm, bb*. They all started with John. And
John deserves MUCH praise and thanks that I doubt he gets. Now, all of
the bbtools use base classes from blackbox itself, and if you'll peruse
through the code of bbpager, say, you'll note that the licensing
throughout is as follows Anything that's coming from blackbox has the
"noble" (God, that's an annoying adjective for something that is most of
the time an afterthought when writing code in the hope that other people
will find it useful) BSD-style license. Anything that John Kennis wrote
is written under the GPL-2 license.
Along comes bbkeys, based on bbtools. For starters, I believe it's
appropriate that bbkeys carries forward the license of the code that it's
based on, namely Kennis's bbtools. Let's call that reason 1 for the GPL
"viral" license present in bbkeys.
Now, if you'll actually read through the code in bbkeys.cc, you'll note
that some parts of the code are derived from the work done in 2 other
projects, namely XEmacs and WindowMaker. If you look closely, you'll
notice that the original code that was used from those projects was
licensed under the GPL-2. And the licensing for those pieces of code are
included in bbkeys. We'll call that reason #2 for the GPL "viral" license
present in bbkeys.
Now, furthermore, and this is what's so very irritating about this entire
discussion, other than the above 2 reasons, I gave about 3 seconds of
thought to the issue of licensing at all. As I said before, most people
who write code out of the goodness of their heart--in the hope that other
people will find it useful--are NOT even thinking about what license and
copyright they should slap on their code. Honestly. Is this the 8th
deadly sin of mankind? Possibly. But really, people who enjoy coding in
the attempt to try to help others are in my experience not the same people
who love to haggle over copyright law and licensing issues.
Furthermore (and I can see your eyes glazing over so I'll cut this short),
as far as blackbox and bbkeys playing together... As I said before, I
included the GPL-2 licensing with bbkeys because in my very limited
knowledge about this sort of thing, it seemed like the Right Thing To Do
(TM), based on the above facts. I have no qualm whatsoever about Raven
including parts of bbkeys into blackbox proper. Hell, I'd love to see
anything kick-start blackbox development again, just-married syndrome or
not. If somebody wiser than I about the black arts of copyright issues
can advise me on whether or not it's possible/legal/beneficial to replace
the GPL-2 "viral" license in bbkeys with something more friendly to the
world, so be it. You have my e-mail address.
And in closing, bah humbug.
On 2001.11.09 18:51 Jeremy C. Reed wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Scott Moynes wrote:
>
>
> On that note, I see that bbkeys is viral GPL'd and our great blackbox is
> using the noble BSD-style license. As it is, bbkeys can not (should not)
> go back into blackbox. (Which is sad -- because I like bbkeys
> functionality, but I prefer it to be part of blackbox.)
>
> Jeremy C. Reed
> ...
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Re: bbconf
On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:13:20 + Kyle Donaldson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | |To get bbconf to save it's settings, create the directory .bbtools under |your $HOME directory. Then bbonf will save it's settings in |~/.bbtools/bbconf.bb I guess I wasn't precise in my first mail. I do get bbconf to save most stuff, but not the Qt stuff: The BBConf Qt Widget Style. When I try to change that I get an error message saying it was not able to save to the file specified, and I have not specified any file for this setting, and I do not know how to. Not that it is important to me to change the widget look and feel of bbconf, but still... :) | |--gile | -- Kind Regards, Christian Dysthe.
Re: bbconf
/* the old quoting was disgusting */ On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Christian Dysthe wrote: > On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 08:26:56 -0600: > gino peregrini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have downloaded & installed bbconf; however, when I try to open it, it > > crashes with a segmentation fault. If it was a binary package, you'll probably have to compile from source. I've never used a bb* binary package, so I can't be sure about this. > I had to compile it on my system from sources to have it run. I am not > sure if you did that, or found some binaries to run though. If you did > use binaries, try sources. One thing, the Qt setup stuff in bbconf I am > not able to save settings for. I get an error message. Other than that it > works fine (even with fluxbox:) To get bbconf to save it's settings, create the directory .bbtools under your $HOME directory. Then bbconf will save it's settings in ~/.bbtools/bbconf.bb --gile
Re: bbconf
On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 08:26:56 -0600 gino peregrini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |I have downloaded & installed bbconf; however, when I try to open it, it |crashes with a segmentation fault. I had to compile it on my system from sources to have it run. I am not sure if you did that, or found some binaries to run though. If you did use binaries, try sources. One thing, the Qt setup stuff in bbconf I am not able to save settings for. I get an error message. Other than that it works fine (even with fluxbox:) | |Can anyone help? | |Gino |-- |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |http://www.ghazalpage.net | -- Kind Regards, Christian Dysthe. Opera Software. Austin, Texas P: 512.990.4336 M: 512.576.8421 F: 650.745.2930 Get Opera at: http://www.opera.com Registered Linux user #228949
Re: fluxbox, blackbox
On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 15:04:54 +1300 jerrold poh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |> > Does anyone use blackbox without keygrab support? Let's count :) |> |> I don't use keygrab. Not sure what I'm missing. Everything works fine. | |Just curios, how do you guys alt tab? How do you change desktops, or do |guys just use the mouse? I have set up bbkeys to do go to the next desktop by pressing Ctrl >, the previous Ctrl <. BB is so fast that you can flip through a couple of desktops to get to the right one at phenomenal speed, so I do not see a need to be able to key me to a specific one. | |Personally, I hate taking my hands off the keyboard, and every app that |I use is bounded to a key, so I don't have to use that silly menu to |launch my apps, but i guess that's personal choice. Atleast you guys |get to free up 1.5megs of memory space :) I use bbkeys to launch all my apps now. For instance Alt e opens my editor. | | |Jerrold. | -- Kind Regards, Christian Dysthe.
bbconf
I have downloaded & installed bbconf; however, when I try to open it, it crashes with a segmentation fault. Can anyone help? Gino -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ghazalpage.net
Re: fluxbox, blackbox
On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, jerrold poh wrote: > Just curios, how do you guys alt tab? How do you change desktops, or do > guys just use the mouse? Mouse. > Personally, I hate taking my hands off the keyboard, and every app that > I use is bounded to a key, so I don't have to use that silly menu to > launch my apps, but i guess that's personal choice. Atleast you guys > get to free up 1.5megs of memory space :) Of course it's personal preference. =-) Then again I *like* Debian's menu methods, so I use them. --- Dan Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG key: www.cs.unc.edu/~chenda/pubkey.gpg.asc
Re: fluxbox, blackbox
On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > Does anyone use blackbox without keygrab support? Let's count :) I do. --- Dan Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG key: www.cs.unc.edu/~chenda/pubkey.gpg.asc
