Re: bbappconf
On 14 Nov 2001 15:15:27 -0500 "Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, for instance, this one. =:) I'd like to at-will take all window > decorations off of a window (a decor-less, sticky aterm would suit me > nicely, thank you), and then be able to add the titlebar/buttons, etc. > back on when I want also. > Further, I think it would be nice(and I may be the only one here) to have some application or configuration file that allows me to move the decorations around. On my BB, it is set up to have only one titlebar decoration: the exit button, and it is on the LEFT side of the titlebar. Every BB upgrade I've had to edit the source to achieve this but it wouldn't be difficult to modify the internals so it is configurable(from what I can tell). I know, purely cosmetic. :-) SB-X [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 9788597
Re: to do list (was Re: bbappconf)
On Wed, Nov14,01 20:24, Fred Smith wrote: > On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 05:47:46PM -0500, Derek Cunningham wrote: > > 'use blackbox without a mouse (open menus and browse menus with keys)" > > > > I don't agree with this: > > i also agree that keybinding should be kept out of blackbox, but how would > you bring up a menu using bbkeys? what would i put in my .bbkeysrc ? > well, obviously this isn't implemented yet, but I suspect there'd be additional functions like load_menu, or something, and you'd be able to bind keys to them (in a similar fashion to ShadwWindow, ExecCommand, etc) and blackbox would have some way to interpret this, and then it would call the associated function that right-clicking calls. I think there's some preliminary support for this with a patch... but I'm not sure. DC -- Derek Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] "All men by nature desire to know." -- Aristotle.
Re: to do list (was Re: bbappconf)
On Wed, Nov14,01 12:03, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Derek Cunningham wrote: > > > > So, Jeff, if you're out there, is there any update on where this falls > > > on the official blackbox TODO list? > > > > > > > better question: IS THERE a todo list? and is there any update at all WRT > > blackbox development? > > http://www.reedmedia.net/misc/blackbox/ideas.html > Comments on the above URL: Don't agree: "add keybindings back to blackbox: bindings are ctrl-arrows to change workspaces and alt-tab/alt-shift-tab to cycle windows. (Patch available)" bbkeys is fine. YES! 'use blackbox without a mouse (open menus and browse menus with keys)" I don't agree with this: "move select key bindings back into blackbox, and add key bindings to pop up root and workspace menus (they will only be key-navigable when popped up by a key binding)", I think all keybindings (even ALT+click, ALT+right-click, etc) should be moved OUT of blackbox, and into bbkeys, maximum configuration would result from this. Well, it'll certainly be interesting to see some of this stuff implemented. I'd even be happy with some CVS action happening so that BB's userbase can use the latest and greatest, as the small changes take effect. DC -- Derek Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] "All men by nature desire to know." -- Aristotle.
Re: to do list (was Re: bbappconf)
Laszlo Gerencser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Jeremy C. Reed" wrote: > > Regarding the "bb crashes (dumps core) when changing workspaces quickly" > > issue, I recall seeing a workaround -- or a diagnosis, but I forgot what > > it is. > > There is only one workaround: do not change workspaces quickly. Just FWIW: I do have 9 workspaces (arranged in a 3x3 matrix) and I switch them a lot very fast all the time. I also do have "focus last window" and it never (not ONCE) crashed for me. That is consisten on Debian GNU/Linux and NetBSD.
Re: bbappconf
On Wed, 2001-11-14 at 11:55, Derek Cunningham wrote:
> > Okay. Yes, you're absolutely right. And this is a blackbox issue.
> > Blackbox is broke WRT windows that have decorations removed from them.
>
> and yet there are some people on this list that feel that blackbox is fine
> as is. Sure, this is an eye-candy issue... but still, it's a bug, period.
Agreed. And henceforth and thusly, said bug should be squashed.
>
> > I've added code to bbkeys to allow decoration toggling (toggleDecor,
> > which will add or strip decorations from the currently-focused window)
> > and went as far as I can go.
>
> ok... is this a patch to bbkeys, or is it in the main distro? how do I
> utilize this function?
The functionality is built into bbkeys 0.8.x. It just doesn't work
because blackbox is broke in this regard.
> > Blackbox's internals are broken also with
> > regards to being able to tell other apps what the decoration state of a
> > given window is.
>
> where is this functionality useful?
>
Well, for instance, this one. =:) I'd like to at-will take all window
decorations off of a window (a decor-less, sticky aterm would suit me
nicely, thank you), and then be able to add the titlebar/buttons, etc.
back on when I want also.
> > I've patched blackbox to at least tell external
> > applications whether a given window is decorated or not, but it really
> > does no good because there's the other problem in which blackbox acts
> > like it's going to let you move or resize a now-undecorated window, but
> > doesn't really do it.
> >
>
> another bug. see above statement!
see above answer. Bottom line--it's broke and should be fixed.
>
> > I've approached Raven (who responded to me, but it's been so long I
> > forget what was said)
>
> of course, you archive your email, correct? :) so you could easily load up
> your personal archives, to find out what's up. :)
`man hard_drive_crash && man month_old_backup`
>
> > and nyz (who said that the version of KDE that he
> > runs doesn't have that issue =:) ) about this and it never went
> > anywhere.
>
> haha... so basically, in short, nyz has given up on bb?
nyz (Brad Hughes) works for trolltech, lucky bugger that he is. And as
such, it's most probably more advantageous for him to use a window
manager that is directly affected by the work that he does, namely with
qt.
>
> >
> > So, Jeff, if you're out there, is there any update on where this falls
> > on the official blackbox TODO list?
> >
>
> better question: IS THERE a todo list? and is there any update at all WRT
> blackbox development?
>
*listening very intently for answer myself*
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Re: to do list (was Re: bbappconf)
"Jeremy C. Reed" wrote: > Regarding the "bb crashes (dumps core) when changing workspaces quickly" > issue, I recall seeing a workaround -- or a diagnosis, but I forgot what > it is. There is only one workaround: do not change workspaces quickly. The problem seems to be aruond redrawing windows on a workspace that is left before redrawing is completed. (I proposed a workaround that didn't help: the "Focus On Last Window" OFF setting.) -- Laszlo Gerencser PortoLogic Ltd.
to do list (was Re: bbappconf)
On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Derek Cunningham wrote: > > So, Jeff, if you're out there, is there any update on where this falls > > on the official blackbox TODO list? > > > > better question: IS THERE a todo list? and is there any update at all WRT > blackbox development? http://www.reedmedia.net/misc/blackbox/ideas.html Regarding the "bb crashes (dumps core) when changing workspaces quickly" issue, I recall seeing a workaround -- or a diagnosis, but I forgot what it is. Jeremy C. Reed .. ISP-FAQ.com -- find answers to your questions http://www.isp-faq.com/
Re: Blackbox fails to start
On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 03:49:46PM +0100, Andras B. wrote: > > failed to open catalog, using default messages > > That's all that happens, blackbox doesn't start, I can't kill X. I have > to login from another computer and kill X from there. Have you tried Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill X? Ward
Re: bbappconf
On Wed, Nov14,01 11:36, Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper wrote: > On Wed, 2001-11-14 at 09:20, Derek Cunningham wrote: > > > ok... to clarify: bbappconf removed all the window decorations (including > > title bar). Now, having done this, I fully expected to have to alt-click to > > move my windows, since that's what I had to do with Eterm when it was > > borderless, but this doesn't work. > > > > > when bbappconf removes the window decorations on aterm, alt+click doesn't > > work... and I want to know why... this is utterly annoying! > > > Okay. Yes, you're absolutely right. And this is a blackbox issue. > Blackbox is broke WRT windows that have decorations removed from them. and yet there are some people on this list that feel that blackbox is fine as is. Sure, this is an eye-candy issue... but still, it's a bug, period. > I've added code to bbkeys to allow decoration toggling (toggleDecor, > which will add or strip decorations from the currently-focused window) > and went as far as I can go. ok... is this a patch to bbkeys, or is it in the main distro? how do I utilize this function? also, if I start an app without decorations, is it's upper-left corner in the same position as if it HAD decorations? or is it displaced by the space that the decorations would actually take up? I ask because I can live without moving SOME of my apps, but in order to do this, I have to place them.. and I want to just move them (with decorations) to get the coordinates... and then once I move them... I can reexecute them with the coords, and without decor. > Blackbox's internals are broken also with > regards to being able to tell other apps what the decoration state of a > given window is. where is this functionality useful? > I've patched blackbox to at least tell external > applications whether a given window is decorated or not, but it really > does no good because there's the other problem in which blackbox acts > like it's going to let you move or resize a now-undecorated window, but > doesn't really do it. > another bug. see above statement! > I've approached Raven (who responded to me, but it's been so long I > forget what was said) of course, you archive your email, correct? :) so you could easily load up your personal archives, to find out what's up. :) > and nyz (who said that the version of KDE that he > runs doesn't have that issue =:) ) about this and it never went > anywhere. haha... so basically, in short, nyz has given up on bb? > > So, Jeff, if you're out there, is there any update on where this falls > on the official blackbox TODO list? > better question: IS THERE a todo list? and is there any update at all WRT blackbox development? DC -- Derek Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] "All men by nature desire to know." -- Aristotle.
Re: bbappconf
On Wed, 2001-11-14 at 09:20, Derek Cunningham wrote:
> ok... to clarify: bbappconf removed all the window decorations (including
> title bar). Now, having done this, I fully expected to have to alt-click to
> move my windows, since that's what I had to do with Eterm when it was
> borderless, but this doesn't work.
>
> when bbappconf removes the window decorations on aterm, alt+click doesn't
> work... and I want to know why... this is utterly annoying!
Okay. Yes, you're absolutely right. And this is a blackbox issue.
Blackbox is broke WRT windows that have decorations removed from them.
I've added code to bbkeys to allow decoration toggling (toggleDecor,
which will add or strip decorations from the currently-focused window)
and went as far as I can go. Blackbox's internals are broken also with
regards to being able to tell other apps what the decoration state of a
given window is. I've patched blackbox to at least tell external
applications whether a given window is decorated or not, but it really
does no good because there's the other problem in which blackbox acts
like it's going to let you move or resize a now-undecorated window, but
doesn't really do it.
I've approached Raven (who responded to me, but it's been so long I
forget what was said) and nyz (who said that the version of KDE that he
runs doesn't have that issue =:) ) about this and it never went
anywhere.
So, Jeff, if you're out there, is there any update on where this falls
on the official blackbox TODO list?
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Re: Blackbox fails to start
* scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-11-09 19:03]: > I am usually too lazy to exit out of my current WM if i want > to test out a new WM here's a quick way to test new WM's > without shutting down the one you're currently running -- > fire up X on another display. > create a script in your home directory "start-x" like this: > #!/bin/bash > xinit -- :1 & Thanks for your informations, but that's not my problem. IIRC I also tried this with older versions of blackbox, always the same error message: failed to open catalog, using default messages That's all that happens, blackbox doesn't start, I can't kill X. I have to login from another computer and kill X from there. Andras -- "'Oh, that was easy,' says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing." - Douglas Adams
Re: bbappconf
On Wed, Nov14,01 07:55, Es Bee Ex wrote: > On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:42:11 -0500 > Derek Cunningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov14,01 02:34, Es Bee Ex wrote: > > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:14:25 -0500 > > > Derek Cunningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I removed the > > > > window decorations from aterm, but now I can't move it anywhere! > > > > > > > Hold alt and click in middle of the window to drag. > > > > > > > Is this a feature? Why is it going to be different from moving all my other > > windows? > > > > Yes. It will be different because you don't have to click title-bar to move it... > but now that I read your original message, you never said the title-bar > was gone did you? It must be some bbappconf feature preventing you from moving > it around then, because you should still be able to move a window without > decorations. :) > ok... to clarify: bbappconf removed all the window decorations (including title bar). Now, having done this, I fully expected to have to alt-click to move my windows, since that's what I had to do with Eterm when it was borderless, but this doesn't work. Also, I read YOUR message wrong... and though you mean I had to alt+middle-click in order to move the window. I've always been aware of alt+click to move windows, and in fact, I use it more than anything else. when bbappconf removes the window decorations on aterm, alt+click doesn't work... and I want to know why... this is utterly annoying! DC -- Derek Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] "All men by nature desire to know." -- Aristotle.
Re: bbappconf
On Wed, Nov14,01 02:34, Es Bee Ex wrote: > On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:14:25 -0500 > Derek Cunningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I removed the > > window decorations from aterm, but now I can't move it anywhere! > > > Hold alt and click in middle of the window to drag. > Is this a feature? Why is it going to be different from moving all my other windows? DC > SB-X > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 9788597 -- Derek Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] "All men by nature desire to know." -- Aristotle.
Re: news...
* Michael Hostbaek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Nov 14. 2001 11:54]: > Hey there, > > Just a general inquery, as to what is happening on the bb scene ? That was severely discussed no that long ago. Please check the archives. -- Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk "Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic and totally illogic, with just a little bit more effort." -- A. P. J.
news...
Hey there, Just a general inquery, as to what is happening on the bb scene ? It is a *great* wm, and I hope that it is still in very active devel. see ya, -- Best Regards, Michael Landin Hostbaek FreeBSDCluster.dk - an International Community */ PGP-key available upon request /*
