[blfs-dev] TCP Wrapper

2012-06-28 Thread Armin K.
I was looking at TCP Wrapper and there is really no use for it on modern 
Linux kernels. It's real purpose were monitoring and filtering network 
access to some services iirc. But today Netfilter and Iptables do that 
and lot more, so I suggest we remove it and don't even mention it. It's 
way too old, unmaintained and imho unnecesary today.
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Re: [blfs-dev] TCP Wrapper

2012-06-28 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Armin K. wrote:
 I was looking at TCP Wrapper and there is really no use for it on modern 
 Linux kernels. It's real purpose were monitoring and filtering network 
 access to some services iirc. But today Netfilter and Iptables do that 
 and lot more, so I suggest we remove it and don't even mention it. It's 
 way too old, unmaintained and imho unnecesary today.

I agree that it's unnecessary and I generally do not install it, but I 
also think that many people expect it.  Here is a list of packages that 
reference it:

gdm
esound
nfs-utils
rpcbind
stunnel
openssh
sane
lprng
cups
openldap
exim
sendmail
mysql
vsftpd

It is a very old program.  The date I see is 1997.  On the other hand, I 
don't think it is any effort to just leave it in the book.

What do others think?

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Re: [blfs-dev] TCP Wrapper

2012-06-28 Thread Ragnar Thomsen
On Thursday 28 June 2012 14:05:45 Bruce Dubbs wrote:
 Armin K. wrote:
  I was looking at TCP Wrapper and there is really no use for it on modern
  Linux kernels. It's real purpose were monitoring and filtering network
  access to some services iirc. But today Netfilter and Iptables do that
  and lot more, so I suggest we remove it and don't even mention it. It's
  way too old, unmaintained and imho unnecesary today.
 
 I agree that it's unnecessary and I generally do not install it, but I
 also think that many people expect it.  Here is a list of packages that
 reference it:
 
 gdm
 esound
 nfs-utils
 rpcbind
 stunnel
 openssh
 sane
 lprng
 cups
 openldap
 exim
 sendmail
 mysql
 vsftpd
 
 It is a very old program.  The date I see is 1997.  On the other hand, I
 don't think it is any effort to just leave it in the book.
 
 What do others think?

To reduce the complexity of the book, I think the more old obsolete packages 
we remove the better. If no packages require TCP-wrappers, I suggest we remove 
it.

-Ragnar-
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Re: [blfs-dev] TCP Wrapper

2012-06-28 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 09:42:26PM +0200, Ragnar Thomsen wrote:
 On Thursday 28 June 2012 14:05:45 Bruce Dubbs wrote:
  Armin K. wrote:
   I was looking at TCP Wrapper and there is really no use for it on modern
   Linux kernels. It's real purpose were monitoring and filtering network
   access to some services iirc. But today Netfilter and Iptables do that
   and lot more, so I suggest we remove it and don't even mention it. It's
   way too old, unmaintained and imho unnecesary today.
  
  
  It is a very old program.  The date I see is 1997.  On the other hand, I
  don't think it is any effort to just leave it in the book.
  
  What do others think?
 
 To reduce the complexity of the book, I think the more old obsolete packages 
 we remove the better. If no packages require TCP-wrappers, I suggest we 
 remove 
 it.
 
 I've always built it since I first had a home network, in the
belief that it was expected.  Most distros still carry it, but I see
that Arch dropped it last year, so I suppose we can do the same.

 Can't say I'm in a rush to work out what to put into iptables
scripts to replace it, but that's not a reason to keep it in the
book.

ĸen
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Re: [blfs-dev] TCP Wrapper

2012-06-28 Thread Andrew Benton
On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:42:22 +0100
Ragnar Thomsen rthoms...@gmail.com wrote:

 To reduce the complexity of the book, I think the more old obsolete packages 
 we remove the better. If no packages require TCP-wrappers, I suggest we 
 remove 
 it.

I agree

Andy
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