Re: [blfs-dev] LFS systemd 7.5 is out

2014-03-03 Thread Armin K.
On 03/03/2014 11:38 AM, Fernando de Oliveira wrote:
> Em 02-03-2014 21:41, Armin K. escreveu:
>> I am pleased to announce the first stable release of the Linux From
>> Scratch book that is using systemd as the init system.
> 
> Congratulations! I am pleased we have LFS systemd.
> 

Thanks.

>> Unfortunately, there is no release of BLFS that follows this book. There
>> are notes[4] for building packages from current BLFS svn (soon to be
>> BLFS 7.5) book on LFS systemd.
> 
> As I said, I would not like to have BLFS become hybrid. However I really
> would like to have a BLFS systemd. What I am opposed is to mix them in
> the same tree.
> 
> I have questions.
> 
> (1) In [4], you seem to show that I can make a copy of my BLFS-7.5-c1
> and transform it in systemd.
> 

I just show what is necessary to modify when using official BLFS book. I
think I have missed cups though, I need to correct that.

> (2) Some packages would need to be reinstalled to provide units.
> 

Not reinstalled, but rather what (not) to do in order to get the
services to work natively with systemd.

> (3) I remember it has been asked, but do not remember the answer: can
> jhalfs build LFS systemd? If not it would be good to include it.
> 

I believe that Pierre said that it's possible, but he has yet to confirm.

> I would like to try systemd, to see how difficult it would be for me to
> include systemd updates to BLFS systemd.
> 
> Because, I wanted the same as with LFS: two books. And wanted to see how
> much I could contribute. If what Bruce says that only about 25% of
> packages would need modifications, I think that Armin and I could take
> care of those.
> 

I don't think I'd personally like to do that. I might come up with
something else since I disagree with some instructions in the official
book and the systemd book might include modifications for shared, non
init system specific packages.

I might be able to provide patches on top of BLFS 7.5 that just modify
the xml as akh suggested once, but that's still long way to go, so don't
expect much any time soon.

>>
>> [4] http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~krejzi/notes.txt
>>
>> --
>> Armin K.
>>
>> Note: My last name is not Krejzi.
>>
> 
> 


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Re: [blfs-dev] LFS systemd 7.5 is out

2014-03-03 Thread Pierre Labastie
Le 03/03/2014 11:38, Fernando de Oliveira a écrit :
> Em 02-03-2014 21:41, Armin K. escreveu:
>> I am pleased to announce the first stable release of the Linux From
>> Scratch book that is using systemd as the init system.
> Congratulations! I am pleased we have LFS systemd.
>
>> Unfortunately, there is no release of BLFS that follows this book. There
>> are notes[4] for building packages from current BLFS svn (soon to be
>> BLFS 7.5) book on LFS systemd.
> As I said, I would not like to have BLFS become hybrid. However I really
> would like to have a BLFS systemd. What I am opposed is to mix them in
> the same tree.
>
> I have questions.
>
> (1) In [4], you seem to show that I can make a copy of my BLFS-7.5-c1
> and transform it in systemd.
>
> (2) Some packages would need to be reinstalled to provide units.
>
> (3) I remember it has been asked, but do not remember the answer: can
> jhalfs build LFS systemd? If not it would be good to include it.
Yes it can. More information in this recent thread:
https://www.mail-archive.com/alfs-discuss@linuxfromscratch.org/msg03545.html

The answer from Chris gives one solution, and the last post gives other 
possibilities.
>
> I would like to try systemd, to see how difficult it would be for me to
> include systemd updates to BLFS systemd.
>
> Because, I wanted the same as with LFS: two books. And wanted to see how
> much I could contribute. If what Bruce says that only about 25% of
> packages would need modifications, I think that Armin and I could take
> care of those.
I have no strong feeling about the "hybrid" book or not after DJ's and 
Bruce's answers. Owing to the pace of updating the BLFS book and the 
difficulty for merging between branches with subversion, a "hybrid" 
could be a good solution. Of course, switching to git might be another 
one...

Pierre

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Re: [blfs-dev] LFS systemd 7.5 is out

2014-03-03 Thread Fernando de Oliveira
Em 02-03-2014 21:41, Armin K. escreveu:
> I am pleased to announce the first stable release of the Linux From
> Scratch book that is using systemd as the init system.

Congratulations! I am pleased we have LFS systemd.

> Unfortunately, there is no release of BLFS that follows this book. There
> are notes[4] for building packages from current BLFS svn (soon to be
> BLFS 7.5) book on LFS systemd.

As I said, I would not like to have BLFS become hybrid. However I really
would like to have a BLFS systemd. What I am opposed is to mix them in
the same tree.

I have questions.

(1) In [4], you seem to show that I can make a copy of my BLFS-7.5-c1
and transform it in systemd.

(2) Some packages would need to be reinstalled to provide units.

(3) I remember it has been asked, but do not remember the answer: can
jhalfs build LFS systemd? If not it would be good to include it.

I would like to try systemd, to see how difficult it would be for me to
include systemd updates to BLFS systemd.

Because, I wanted the same as with LFS: two books. And wanted to see how
much I could contribute. If what Bruce says that only about 25% of
packages would need modifications, I think that Armin and I could take
care of those.

> 
> [4] http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~krejzi/notes.txt
> 
> --
> Armin K.
> 
> Note: My last name is not Krejzi.
> 


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