Re: [blfs-dev] About thunderbird build size
On 4/9/20 8:08 PM, Bruce Dubbs via blfs-dev wrote: On 4/9/20 12:46 PM, Tim Tassonis via blfs-dev wrote: On 4/9/20 7:07 PM, Ken Moffat via blfs-dev wrote: On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 01:23:24PM +0200, Tim Tassonis via blfs-dev wrote: Hi all I noticed that I do get quite different build sizes for thunderbird than other maintainers, so I thought I will give a few infos about how I build thunderbird. Maybe this helps to find out what's going on here. Hi Tim, thanks for providing this information. du -hs /lgl-bld/thunderbird-68.7.0/ reports 4.2G /lgl-bld/thunderbird-68.7.0/ So, as I'm doing this with all other packages and never get a significant difference to what's in the book with other packages, I'm pretty sure that my counting isn't the problem. In my mozconfig, I think I'm doing pretty standard stuff, too. These are my active ac_add_options: Just for the record, on firefox my own builds use harder CFLAGS etc, potentially different optimizations, and (while 68-esr lasts) the patch for system graphite2 and harfbuzz. But when I measure for the book I match the book's settings (without the optional patch) and without my own CFLAGS etc. So, I don't think that any differences in the mozconfig you are using will be the cause of this enormous difference in size. ac_add_options --enable-startup-notification ac_add_options --disable-pulseaudio ac_add_options --enable-calendar ac_add_options --enable-system-sqlite ac_add_options --with-system-libevent ac_add_options --with-system-nspr ac_add_options --with-system-nss ac_add_options --with-system-icu ac_add_options --prefix=/opt/thunderbird ac_add_options --enable-application=comm/mail ac_add_options --disable-crashreporter ac_add_options --disable-updater ac_add_options --disable-debug ac_add_options --disable-debug-symbols ac_add_options --disable-tests ac_add_options --enable-optimize=-O2 ac_add_options --enable-strip ac_add_options --enable-install-strip ac_add_options --enable-official-branding ac_add_options --enable-system-ffi ac_add_options --enable-system-pixman ac_add_options --with-system-bz2 ac_add_options --with-system-jpeg ac_add_options --with-system-png ac_add_options --with-system-zlib So, what's left maybe is my toolchain, which might be a bit outdated: Name : rustc Version : 1.42.0-1 I had thought you must be using an older version (back to 1.35 is probably still usable with 68). Name : gcc Version : 7.3.0-1 Name : clang Version : 5.0.1-1 I'm shocked that your versions are so old. I can of course stop taking tickets for blfs if my toolchain is too old for you. I do keep most "upper" stuff quite recent, but I'm quite hesitant in updating core stuff such as binutils, compilers and xorg libs underneath a whole system, and I don't have the time to fully upgrade all my systems every 6 months to keep in sync. So, while all "applications" and higher-level libraries are quite new, my core still runs on lfs 8.2. I'm planning to do a full rebuild this year, if time permits, shall I refrain from updating stuff until then? Yes, I think you probably should do that. I do not update my day-to-day system that oftern (maybe once a year), but I think most editors have separate development systems that have the latest packages. Ok. I just bought another 16 GB of RAM for my development server, after putting it in I should be able to start a new full build while leaving my current system up and running. Bye Tim -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] About thunderbird build size
On 4/9/20 12:46 PM, Tim Tassonis via blfs-dev wrote: On 4/9/20 7:07 PM, Ken Moffat via blfs-dev wrote: On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 01:23:24PM +0200, Tim Tassonis via blfs-dev wrote: Hi all I noticed that I do get quite different build sizes for thunderbird than other maintainers, so I thought I will give a few infos about how I build thunderbird. Maybe this helps to find out what's going on here. Hi Tim, thanks for providing this information. du -hs /lgl-bld/thunderbird-68.7.0/ reports 4.2G /lgl-bld/thunderbird-68.7.0/ So, as I'm doing this with all other packages and never get a significant difference to what's in the book with other packages, I'm pretty sure that my counting isn't the problem. In my mozconfig, I think I'm doing pretty standard stuff, too. These are my active ac_add_options: Just for the record, on firefox my own builds use harder CFLAGS etc, potentially different optimizations, and (while 68-esr lasts) the patch for system graphite2 and harfbuzz. But when I measure for the book I match the book's settings (without the optional patch) and without my own CFLAGS etc. So, I don't think that any differences in the mozconfig you are using will be the cause of this enormous difference in size. ac_add_options --enable-startup-notification ac_add_options --disable-pulseaudio ac_add_options --enable-calendar ac_add_options --enable-system-sqlite ac_add_options --with-system-libevent ac_add_options --with-system-nspr ac_add_options --with-system-nss ac_add_options --with-system-icu ac_add_options --prefix=/opt/thunderbird ac_add_options --enable-application=comm/mail ac_add_options --disable-crashreporter ac_add_options --disable-updater ac_add_options --disable-debug ac_add_options --disable-debug-symbols ac_add_options --disable-tests ac_add_options --enable-optimize=-O2 ac_add_options --enable-strip ac_add_options --enable-install-strip ac_add_options --enable-official-branding ac_add_options --enable-system-ffi ac_add_options --enable-system-pixman ac_add_options --with-system-bz2 ac_add_options --with-system-jpeg ac_add_options --with-system-png ac_add_options --with-system-zlib So, what's left maybe is my toolchain, which might be a bit outdated: Name : rustc Version : 1.42.0-1 I had thought you must be using an older version (back to 1.35 is probably still usable with 68). Name : gcc Version : 7.3.0-1 Name : clang Version : 5.0.1-1 I'm shocked that your versions are so old. I can of course stop taking tickets for blfs if my toolchain is too old for you. I do keep most "upper" stuff quite recent, but I'm quite hesitant in updating core stuff such as binutils, compilers and xorg libs underneath a whole system, and I don't have the time to fully upgrade all my systems every 6 months to keep in sync. So, while all "applications" and higher-level libraries are quite new, my core still runs on lfs 8.2. I'm planning to do a full rebuild this year, if time permits, shall I refrain from updating stuff until then? Yes, I think you probably should do that. I do not update my day-to-day system that oftern (maybe once a year), but I think most editors have separate development systems that have the latest packages. -- Bruce -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] About thunderbird build size
On 4/9/20 7:07 PM, Ken Moffat via blfs-dev wrote: On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 01:23:24PM +0200, Tim Tassonis via blfs-dev wrote: Hi all I noticed that I do get quite different build sizes for thunderbird than other maintainers, so I thought I will give a few infos about how I build thunderbird. Maybe this helps to find out what's going on here. Hi Tim, thanks for providing this information. du -hs /lgl-bld/thunderbird-68.7.0/ reports 4.2G/lgl-bld/thunderbird-68.7.0/ So, as I'm doing this with all other packages and never get a significant difference to what's in the book with other packages, I'm pretty sure that my counting isn't the problem. In my mozconfig, I think I'm doing pretty standard stuff, too. These are my active ac_add_options: Just for the record, on firefox my own builds use harder CFLAGS etc, potentially different optimizations, and (while 68-esr lasts) the patch for system graphite2 and harfbuzz. But when I measure for the book I match the book's settings (without the optional patch) and without my own CFLAGS etc. So, I don't think that any differences in the mozconfig you are using will be the cause of this enormous difference in size. ac_add_options --enable-startup-notification ac_add_options --disable-pulseaudio ac_add_options --enable-calendar ac_add_options --enable-system-sqlite ac_add_options --with-system-libevent ac_add_options --with-system-nspr ac_add_options --with-system-nss ac_add_options --with-system-icu ac_add_options --prefix=/opt/thunderbird ac_add_options --enable-application=comm/mail ac_add_options --disable-crashreporter ac_add_options --disable-updater ac_add_options --disable-debug ac_add_options --disable-debug-symbols ac_add_options --disable-tests ac_add_options --enable-optimize=-O2 ac_add_options --enable-strip ac_add_options --enable-install-strip ac_add_options --enable-official-branding ac_add_options --enable-system-ffi ac_add_options --enable-system-pixman ac_add_options --with-system-bz2 ac_add_options --with-system-jpeg ac_add_options --with-system-png ac_add_options --with-system-zlib So, what's left maybe is my toolchain, which might be a bit outdated: Name : rustc Version : 1.42.0-1 I had thought you must be using an older version (back to 1.35 is probably still usable with 68). Name : gcc Version : 7.3.0-1 Name : clang Version : 5.0.1-1 I'm shocked that your versions are so old. I can of course stop taking tickets for blfs if my toolchain is too old for you. I do keep most "upper" stuff quite recent, but I'm quite hesitant in updating core stuff such as binutils, compilers and xorg libs underneath a whole system, and I don't have the time to fully upgrade all my systems every 6 months to keep in sync. So, while all "applications" and higher-level libraries are quite new, my core still runs on lfs 8.2. I'm planning to do a full rebuild this year, if time permits, shall I refrain from updating stuff until then? Bye Tim -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] About thunderbird build size
On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 10:58:56AM -0500, Douglas R. Reno via blfs-dev wrote: > > On 4/9/20 6:23 AM, Tim Tassonis via blfs-dev wrote: > > Hi all > > > > I noticed that I do get quite different build sizes for thunderbird than > > other maintainers, so I thought I will give a few infos about how I > > build thunderbird. Maybe this helps to find out what's going on here. > > > > > > > > du -hs /lgl-bld/thunderbird-68.7.0/ > > > > > > reports > > > > 4.2G /lgl-bld/thunderbird-68.7.0/ > > > > > > So, as I'm doing this with all other packages and never get a > > significant difference to what's in the book with other packages, I'm > > pretty sure that my counting isn't the problem. > > > Hi Tim, > > I noticed that you're measuring the install via a DESTDIR (otherwise you > wouldn't know what the installed files size is - although if you installed > it in /opt/thunderbird like I see below, it'd be easy to measure it the same > way). I know that cargo puts files in ~/.cargo, but I'm not sure how much of > a difference that makes and looking at my script, I normally don't measure > that either. See below on your package versions > Just a side note that even after wiping ~/.cargo for a 1.42.0 rust build, and then building the current firefox-68 I didn't see any change in the overall size of ~/.cargo (measured with du -sch). > > In my mozconfig, I think I'm doing pretty standard stuff, too. These are > > my active ac_add_options: > > > > ac_add_options --enable-startup-notification > > ac_add_options --disable-pulseaudio > > ac_add_options --enable-calendar > > ac_add_options --enable-system-sqlite > > ac_add_options --with-system-libevent > > ac_add_options --with-system-nspr > > ac_add_options --with-system-nss > > ac_add_options --with-system-icu > > ac_add_options --prefix=/opt/thunderbird > > ac_add_options --enable-application=comm/mail > > ac_add_options --disable-crashreporter > > ac_add_options --disable-updater > > ac_add_options --disable-debug > > ac_add_options --disable-debug-symbols > > ac_add_options --disable-tests > > ac_add_options --enable-optimize=-O2 > > ac_add_options --enable-strip > > ac_add_options --enable-install-strip > > ac_add_options --enable-official-branding > > ac_add_options --enable-system-ffi > > ac_add_options --enable-system-pixman > > ac_add_options --with-system-bz2 > > ac_add_options --with-system-jpeg > > ac_add_options --with-system-png > > ac_add_options --with-system-zlib > > > > > > > > So, what's left maybe is my toolchain, which might be a bit outdated: > > > > Name : rustc > > Version : 1.42.0-1 > > > > Name : gcc > > Version : 7.3.0-1 > > > > Name : clang > > Version : 5.0.1-1 > > > > I suppose I'm building with gcc and not clang, might that make such a > > huge difference in buildsize? > > > Although that might not make a difference in build size, what might is your > older package versions. What version of LFS are you building this on? The > rest of us use 9.1/SVN, and in our case, that means: > > > rustc-1.42.0 > > gcc-9.3.0 > > llvm-10.0.0 > > > Those packages can all contribute to a large difference in build size. Any > mismatches in node.js or cbindgen can cause limited problems as well. We've > been doing updates with GCC-9.3 and LLVM-10 in case we encounter any > compilation or runtime errors caused by newer compilers. We try to keep all > of the dependencies for a package on our system up to date before we update > a package as well. > For firefox-esr I've put the minimal required versions in the wiki because I know not everyone wants to do major updates every 4 or 6 weeks. They probably match the minimum versions in thunderbird. But I assumed everyone was using recent gcc and recent llvm. ĸen -- The beauty of reading a page of de Selby is that it leads one inescapably to the conclusion that one is not, of all nincompoops, the greatest.-- du Garbandier -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] About thunderbird build size
On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 01:23:24PM +0200, Tim Tassonis via blfs-dev wrote: > Hi all > > I noticed that I do get quite different build sizes for thunderbird than > other maintainers, so I thought I will give a few infos about how I build > thunderbird. Maybe this helps to find out what's going on here. > Hi Tim, thanks for providing this information. > > > du -hs /lgl-bld/thunderbird-68.7.0/ > > > reports > > 4.2G /lgl-bld/thunderbird-68.7.0/ > > > So, as I'm doing this with all other packages and never get a significant > difference to what's in the book with other packages, I'm pretty sure that > my counting isn't the problem. > > In my mozconfig, I think I'm doing pretty standard stuff, too. These are my > active ac_add_options: Just for the record, on firefox my own builds use harder CFLAGS etc, potentially different optimizations, and (while 68-esr lasts) the patch for system graphite2 and harfbuzz. But when I measure for the book I match the book's settings (without the optional patch) and without my own CFLAGS etc. So, I don't think that any differences in the mozconfig you are using will be the cause of this enormous difference in size. > > ac_add_options --enable-startup-notification > ac_add_options --disable-pulseaudio > ac_add_options --enable-calendar > ac_add_options --enable-system-sqlite > ac_add_options --with-system-libevent > ac_add_options --with-system-nspr > ac_add_options --with-system-nss > ac_add_options --with-system-icu > ac_add_options --prefix=/opt/thunderbird > ac_add_options --enable-application=comm/mail > ac_add_options --disable-crashreporter > ac_add_options --disable-updater > ac_add_options --disable-debug > ac_add_options --disable-debug-symbols > ac_add_options --disable-tests > ac_add_options --enable-optimize=-O2 > ac_add_options --enable-strip > ac_add_options --enable-install-strip > ac_add_options --enable-official-branding > ac_add_options --enable-system-ffi > ac_add_options --enable-system-pixman > ac_add_options --with-system-bz2 > ac_add_options --with-system-jpeg > ac_add_options --with-system-png > ac_add_options --with-system-zlib > > > > So, what's left maybe is my toolchain, which might be a bit outdated: > > Name : rustc > Version : 1.42.0-1 > I had thought you must be using an older version (back to 1.35 is probably still usable with 68). > Name : gcc > Version : 7.3.0-1 > > Name : clang > Version : 5.0.1-1 > I'm shocked that your versions are so old. > I suppose I'm building with gcc and not clang, might that make such a huge > difference in buildsize? > In firefox there were past variations, issues with gold, etc and eventually I got to a point where building with the current gcc saved a lot of space in the build. If I used thunderbird other than for testing if we can upgrade rust, I would have pressed to try moving it to gcc in the belief that space would be saved. But I don't think that either gcc-7 or clang-5 are viable choices nowadays. Re clang I was going to remove some old coments from my firefox upgrade script the other day, but decided to keep them. In the section about upgrading rustc if it was too old (for old LFS releases I try to keep usable) I note: clang-5 was too old to build some past version of rust with sysllvm. clang-6 and -7 were unreliable with firefox (particularly on my 4-core ryzen, they tended to fall back to 1 core) But all of that is now, for me, ancient history - my oldest system is based on LFS-8.3. And from that I have scripts to build rustc either with sysllvm or with its own shipped llvm. For your 1.42.0 I assume you are using the shipped llvm. Overall, I think your main toolchains are the problem. > > Bye > Tim ĸen -- The beauty of reading a page of de Selby is that it leads one inescapably to the conclusion that one is not, of all nincompoops, the greatest.-- du Garbandier -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] About thunderbird build size
On 4/9/20 6:23 AM, Tim Tassonis via blfs-dev wrote: Hi all I noticed that I do get quite different build sizes for thunderbird than other maintainers, so I thought I will give a few infos about how I build thunderbird. Maybe this helps to find out what's going on here. du -hs /lgl-bld/thunderbird-68.7.0/ reports 4.2G /lgl-bld/thunderbird-68.7.0/ So, as I'm doing this with all other packages and never get a significant difference to what's in the book with other packages, I'm pretty sure that my counting isn't the problem. Hi Tim, I noticed that you're measuring the install via a DESTDIR (otherwise you wouldn't know what the installed files size is - although if you installed it in /opt/thunderbird like I see below, it'd be easy to measure it the same way). I know that cargo puts files in ~/.cargo, but I'm not sure how much of a difference that makes and looking at my script, I normally don't measure that either. See below on your package versions In my mozconfig, I think I'm doing pretty standard stuff, too. These are my active ac_add_options: ac_add_options --enable-startup-notification ac_add_options --disable-pulseaudio ac_add_options --enable-calendar ac_add_options --enable-system-sqlite ac_add_options --with-system-libevent ac_add_options --with-system-nspr ac_add_options --with-system-nss ac_add_options --with-system-icu ac_add_options --prefix=/opt/thunderbird ac_add_options --enable-application=comm/mail ac_add_options --disable-crashreporter ac_add_options --disable-updater ac_add_options --disable-debug ac_add_options --disable-debug-symbols ac_add_options --disable-tests ac_add_options --enable-optimize=-O2 ac_add_options --enable-strip ac_add_options --enable-install-strip ac_add_options --enable-official-branding ac_add_options --enable-system-ffi ac_add_options --enable-system-pixman ac_add_options --with-system-bz2 ac_add_options --with-system-jpeg ac_add_options --with-system-png ac_add_options --with-system-zlib So, what's left maybe is my toolchain, which might be a bit outdated: Name : rustc Version : 1.42.0-1 Name : gcc Version : 7.3.0-1 Name : clang Version : 5.0.1-1 I suppose I'm building with gcc and not clang, might that make such a huge difference in buildsize? Although that might not make a difference in build size, what might is your older package versions. What version of LFS are you building this on? The rest of us use 9.1/SVN, and in our case, that means: rustc-1.42.0 gcc-9.3.0 llvm-10.0.0 Those packages can all contribute to a large difference in build size. Any mismatches in node.js or cbindgen can cause limited problems as well. We've been doing updates with GCC-9.3 and LLVM-10 in case we encounter any compilation or runtime errors caused by newer compilers. We try to keep all of the dependencies for a package on our system up to date before we update a package as well. -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
