Re: [Blind-Computing] Window Eyes Dilemma

2009-02-19 Thread Gerald Levy


Your best course of action would be to decide which of the two screen 
readers you want to keep, and get rid of the other one.  Why do you need 
both JAWS and Window Eyes on the same system?  I am surprised that a state 
rehab agency would spend almost $2000 of taxpayer money on two screen 
readers for the same system, when one would be perfectly adequate. No wonder 
there's an economic crisis in this country. If you need a back-up screen 
reader to either JAWS or Window Eyes, you might consider NVDA, which is free 
and pretty usable.


Gerald
- Original Message - 
From: Mauricio Molina mauriciohmol...@gmail.com

To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:43 PM
Subject: [Blind-Computing] Window Eyes Dilemma



Hello To All,

Obviously, I was hoping someone on this list might be able to assist me. 
I am currently setting up a brand new Dell Optiplex Desktop system.  It is 
a Vista Home Premium 32 bit system and as of yet, there is no antivirus 
installed.  I have also disabled UAC until I get all the software 
installed.  And therein lies the rub: I've successfully installed JAWS 10, 
MAGic 11, and ZoomText 9.4, but when I tried installing Window Eyes 7.01, 
there is some sort of conflict.  By the way, this is not my system, the 
State rehabilitation agency purchased it for one of their consumers and I 
am simply expected to set it up.  I admit I am a JAWS user so I enlisted 
Window Eyes tech support to assist me in the installation.  One of their 
agents, whose name I prefer not to mention, helped me make the correct 
choices during the installation process.  Yet after the installation was 
complete and the system was rebooted, all there was on the screen was 
black with the white mouse pointer in the center of the
screen.  I've already stated that I am a JAWS user so to say that I am 
visually impaired would be redundant.  Still, I have enough remaining 
vision to make the previous observation.  When I asked the GW Micro tech 
support to comment on the problem, the only thing he had to offer was that 
it may be a video driver issue and the drivers may need to be updated.  I 
do not understand how this could be the case as the system is brand 
spanking new with an upgraded ATI HD 2400 Pro Graphics card.  I asked 
whether there were any known issues with having so many other assistive 
technologies installed on one computer or if there was a particular order 
in which they needed to be installed.  The answer was no to both 
questions.


Fortunately, before installing any software, I create System Restore 
points.  So, with sighted assistance, I booted into safe mode and put the 
system back to before the Window Eyes installation and all was well.  I 
then called GW Micro tech support again and spoke with another tech.  I 
told him of my experience and all he had to add was that there was a 
conflict.  Duh!  Unfortunately, they offered no further assistance.


So, what I would like to know is, does anyone have any ideas of which 
course of action I should follow next.  I may, just for the heck of it, 
update the graphics card driver, but if that does not work, what then?  In 
fact, I have never yet had to update a video card driver so I am not even 
sure of the process though I imagine I can figure that one out.  But if 
anyone would like to provide some advice, I would be very grateful.


Sorry for the long post.

Thanks in advance,

Mauricio
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Re: [Blind-Computing] Window Eyes Dilemma

2009-02-19 Thread Jack
Another option would be to buy the program Omnipage.  I don't have it, but a 
friend does.  It costs around $150.  Still not cheap, but cheaper than the 
nearly $1,000 for Open book.  And Omnipage uses Jaws key commands, so there 
nothing new to learn.
Jack
- Original Message - 
From: Gerald Levy bwaylimi...@verizon.net
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Window Eyes Dilemma



Your best course of action would be to decide which of the two screen
readers you want to keep, and get rid of the other one.  Why do you need
both JAWS and Window Eyes on the same system?  I am surprised that a state
rehab agency would spend almost $2000 of taxpayer money on two screen
readers for the same system, when one would be perfectly adequate. No wonder
there's an economic crisis in this country. If you need a back-up screen
reader to either JAWS or Window Eyes, you might consider NVDA, which is free
and pretty usable.

Gerald
- Original Message - 
From: Mauricio Molina mauriciohmol...@gmail.com
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:43 PM
Subject: [Blind-Computing] Window Eyes Dilemma


 Hello To All,

 Obviously, I was hoping someone on this list might be able to assist me.
 I am currently setting up a brand new Dell Optiplex Desktop system.  It is
 a Vista Home Premium 32 bit system and as of yet, there is no antivirus
 installed.  I have also disabled UAC until I get all the software
 installed.  And therein lies the rub: I've successfully installed JAWS 10,
 MAGic 11, and ZoomText 9.4, but when I tried installing Window Eyes 7.01,
 there is some sort of conflict.  By the way, this is not my system, the
 State rehabilitation agency purchased it for one of their consumers and I
 am simply expected to set it up.  I admit I am a JAWS user so I enlisted
 Window Eyes tech support to assist me in the installation.  One of their
 agents, whose name I prefer not to mention, helped me make the correct
 choices during the installation process.  Yet after the installation was
 complete and the system was rebooted, all there was on the screen was
 black with the white mouse pointer in the center of the
 screen.  I've already stated that I am a JAWS user so to say that I am
 visually impaired would be redundant.  Still, I have enough remaining
 vision to make the previous observation.  When I asked the GW Micro tech
 support to comment on the problem, the only thing he had to offer was that
 it may be a video driver issue and the drivers may need to be updated.  I
 do not understand how this could be the case as the system is brand
 spanking new with an upgraded ATI HD 2400 Pro Graphics card.  I asked
 whether there were any known issues with having so many other assistive
 technologies installed on one computer or if there was a particular order
 in which they needed to be installed.  The answer was no to both
 questions.

 Fortunately, before installing any software, I create System Restore
 points.  So, with sighted assistance, I booted into safe mode and put the
 system back to before the Window Eyes installation and all was well.  I
 then called GW Micro tech support again and spoke with another tech.  I
 told him of my experience and all he had to add was that there was a
 conflict.  Duh!  Unfortunately, they offered no further assistance.

 So, what I would like to know is, does anyone have any ideas of which
 course of action I should follow next.  I may, just for the heck of it,
 update the graphics card driver, but if that does not work, what then?  In
 fact, I have never yet had to update a video card driver so I am not even
 sure of the process though I imagine I can figure that one out.  But if
 anyone would like to provide some advice, I would be very grateful.

 Sorry for the long post.

 Thanks in advance,

 Mauricio
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Re: [Blind-Computing] Window Eyes Dilemma

2009-02-19 Thread Jon C. Pierson
Hi,
It is still possible that after removing JFW, that WE won't work with that
driver anyway.
The DCM technology is supposed to make the drivers play nice and usually
does.
I'd first (as previously suggested) go to the manufacturer's site and get
the latest  greatest driver and see if that solves the problem.
If not, trying a compatible driver through the update driver aplet may be
the ticket.

Jon



-Original Message-
From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:16 AM
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Window Eyes Dilemma


Your best course of action would be to decide which of the two screen 
readers you want to keep, and get rid of the other one.  Why do you need 
both JAWS and Window Eyes on the same system?  I am surprised that a state 
rehab agency would spend almost $2000 of taxpayer money on two screen 
readers for the same system, when one would be perfectly adequate. No wonder

there's an economic crisis in this country. If you need a back-up screen 
reader to either JAWS or Window Eyes, you might consider NVDA, which is free

and pretty usable.

Gerald
- Original Message - 
From: Mauricio Molina mauriciohmol...@gmail.com
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:43 PM
Subject: [Blind-Computing] Window Eyes Dilemma


 Hello To All,

 Obviously, I was hoping someone on this list might be able to assist me. 
 I am currently setting up a brand new Dell Optiplex Desktop system.  It is

 a Vista Home Premium 32 bit system and as of yet, there is no antivirus 
 installed.  I have also disabled UAC until I get all the software 
 installed.  And therein lies the rub: I've successfully installed JAWS 10,

 MAGic 11, and ZoomText 9.4, but when I tried installing Window Eyes 7.01, 
 there is some sort of conflict.  By the way, this is not my system, the 
 State rehabilitation agency purchased it for one of their consumers and I 
 am simply expected to set it up.  I admit I am a JAWS user so I enlisted 
 Window Eyes tech support to assist me in the installation.  One of their 
 agents, whose name I prefer not to mention, helped me make the correct 
 choices during the installation process.  Yet after the installation was 
 complete and the system was rebooted, all there was on the screen was 
 black with the white mouse pointer in the center of the
 screen.  I've already stated that I am a JAWS user so to say that I am 
 visually impaired would be redundant.  Still, I have enough remaining 
 vision to make the previous observation.  When I asked the GW Micro tech 
 support to comment on the problem, the only thing he had to offer was that

 it may be a video driver issue and the drivers may need to be updated.  I 
 do not understand how this could be the case as the system is brand 
 spanking new with an upgraded ATI HD 2400 Pro Graphics card.  I asked 
 whether there were any known issues with having so many other assistive 
 technologies installed on one computer or if there was a particular order 
 in which they needed to be installed.  The answer was no to both 
 questions.

 Fortunately, before installing any software, I create System Restore 
 points.  So, with sighted assistance, I booted into safe mode and put the 
 system back to before the Window Eyes installation and all was well.  I 
 then called GW Micro tech support again and spoke with another tech.  I 
 told him of my experience and all he had to add was that there was a 
 conflict.  Duh!  Unfortunately, they offered no further assistance.

 So, what I would like to know is, does anyone have any ideas of which 
 course of action I should follow next.  I may, just for the heck of it, 
 update the graphics card driver, but if that does not work, what then?  In

 fact, I have never yet had to update a video card driver so I am not even 
 sure of the process though I imagine I can figure that one out.  But if 
 anyone would like to provide some advice, I would be very grateful.

 Sorry for the long post.

 Thanks in advance,

 Mauricio
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Re: [Blind-Computing] Window Eyes Dilemma

2009-02-19 Thread Elaine
wow? you get jaws etc free? I'm obviously in the wrong country as over here, 
in the UK, we have to purchase our own computers and accessible software. 
Unless you wish to go cap in hand to a charity that is.


Some people really are lucky.

Elaine

- Original Message - 
From: Gerald Levy bwaylimi...@verizon.net

To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Window Eyes Dilemma




Your best course of action would be to decide which of the two screen 
readers you want to keep, and get rid of the other one.  Why do you need 
both JAWS and Window Eyes on the same system?  I am surprised that a state 
rehab agency would spend almost $2000 of taxpayer money on two screen 
readers for the same system, when one would be perfectly adequate. No 
wonder there's an economic crisis in this country. If you need a back-up 
screen reader to either JAWS or Window Eyes, you might consider NVDA, 
which is free and pretty usable.


Gerald
- Original Message - 
From: Mauricio Molina mauriciohmol...@gmail.com

To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:43 PM
Subject: [Blind-Computing] Window Eyes Dilemma



Hello To All,

Obviously, I was hoping someone on this list might be able to assist me. 
I am currently setting up a brand new Dell Optiplex Desktop system.  It 
is a Vista Home Premium 32 bit system and as of yet, there is no 
antivirus installed.  I have also disabled UAC until I get all the 
software installed.  And therein lies the rub: I've successfully 
installed JAWS 10, MAGic 11, and ZoomText 9.4, but when I tried 
installing Window Eyes 7.01, there is some sort of conflict.  By the way, 
this is not my system, the State rehabilitation agency purchased it for 
one of their consumers and I am simply expected to set it up.  I admit I 
am a JAWS user so I enlisted Window Eyes tech support to assist me in the 
installation.  One of their agents, whose name I prefer not to mention, 
helped me make the correct choices during the installation process.  Yet 
after the installation was complete and the system was rebooted, all 
there was on the screen was black with the white mouse pointer in the 
center of the
screen.  I've already stated that I am a JAWS user so to say that I am 
visually impaired would be redundant.  Still, I have enough remaining 
vision to make the previous observation.  When I asked the GW Micro tech 
support to comment on the problem, the only thing he had to offer was 
that it may be a video driver issue and the drivers may need to be 
updated.  I do not understand how this could be the case as the system is 
brand spanking new with an upgraded ATI HD 2400 Pro Graphics card.  I 
asked whether there were any known issues with having so many other 
assistive technologies installed on one computer or if there was a 
particular order in which they needed to be installed.  The answer was no 
to both questions.


Fortunately, before installing any software, I create System Restore 
points.  So, with sighted assistance, I booted into safe mode and put the 
system back to before the Window Eyes installation and all was well.  I 
then called GW Micro tech support again and spoke with another tech.  I 
told him of my experience and all he had to add was that there was a 
conflict.  Duh!  Unfortunately, they offered no further assistance.


So, what I would like to know is, does anyone have any ideas of which 
course of action I should follow next.  I may, just for the heck of it, 
update the graphics card driver, but if that does not work, what then? 
In fact, I have never yet had to update a video card driver so I am not 
even sure of the process though I imagine I can figure that one out.  But 
if anyone would like to provide some advice, I would be very grateful.


Sorry for the long post.

Thanks in advance,

Mauricio
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Re: [Blind-Computing] Window Eyes Dilemma

2009-02-19 Thread Gerald Levy


Really?  I thought you blokes in the UK were so much more progressive than 
us here in the states.  But, yes, state rehab agencies will cover the cost 
of talking computers and other adaptive equipment if an eligible blind 
person needs it to pursue educational or vocational goals. It varies from 
state to state, and not everyone qualifies for such government largesse.


Gerald
- Original Message - 
From: Elaine elaine.d...@gmail.com

To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Window Eyes Dilemma


wow? you get jaws etc free? I'm obviously in the wrong country as over 
here, in the UK, we have to purchase our own computers and accessible 
software. Unless you wish to go cap in hand to a charity that is.


Some people really are lucky.

Elaine

- Original Message - 
From: Gerald Levy bwaylimi...@verizon.net

To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Window Eyes Dilemma




Your best course of action would be to decide which of the two screen 
readers you want to keep, and get rid of the other one.  Why do you need 
both JAWS and Window Eyes on the same system?  I am surprised that a 
state rehab agency would spend almost $2000 of taxpayer money on two 
screen readers for the same system, when one would be perfectly adequate. 
No wonder there's an economic crisis in this country. If you need a 
back-up screen reader to either JAWS or Window Eyes, you might consider 
NVDA, which is free and pretty usable.


Gerald
- Original Message - 
From: Mauricio Molina mauriciohmol...@gmail.com

To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:43 PM
Subject: [Blind-Computing] Window Eyes Dilemma



Hello To All,

Obviously, I was hoping someone on this list might be able to assist me. 
I am currently setting up a brand new Dell Optiplex Desktop system.  It 
is a Vista Home Premium 32 bit system and as of yet, there is no 
antivirus installed.  I have also disabled UAC until I get all the 
software installed.  And therein lies the rub: I've successfully 
installed JAWS 10, MAGic 11, and ZoomText 9.4, but when I tried 
installing Window Eyes 7.01, there is some sort of conflict.  By the 
way, this is not my system, the State rehabilitation agency purchased it 
for one of their consumers and I am simply expected to set it up.  I 
admit I am a JAWS user so I enlisted Window Eyes tech support to assist 
me in the installation.  One of their agents, whose name I prefer not to 
mention, helped me make the correct choices during the installation 
process.  Yet after the installation was complete and the system was 
rebooted, all there was on the screen was black with the white mouse 
pointer in the center of the
screen.  I've already stated that I am a JAWS user so to say that I am 
visually impaired would be redundant.  Still, I have enough remaining 
vision to make the previous observation.  When I asked the GW Micro tech 
support to comment on the problem, the only thing he had to offer was 
that it may be a video driver issue and the drivers may need to be 
updated.  I do not understand how this could be the case as the system 
is brand spanking new with an upgraded ATI HD 2400 Pro Graphics card.  I 
asked whether there were any known issues with having so many other 
assistive technologies installed on one computer or if there was a 
particular order in which they needed to be installed.  The answer was 
no to both questions.


Fortunately, before installing any software, I create System Restore 
points.  So, with sighted assistance, I booted into safe mode and put 
the system back to before the Window Eyes installation and all was well. 
I then called GW Micro tech support again and spoke with another tech. 
I told him of my experience and all he had to add was that there was a 
conflict.  Duh!  Unfortunately, they offered no further assistance.


So, what I would like to know is, does anyone have any ideas of which 
course of action I should follow next.  I may, just for the heck of it, 
update the graphics card driver, but if that does not work, what then? 
In fact, I have never yet had to update a video card driver so I am not 
even sure of the process though I imagine I can figure that one out. 
But if anyone would like to provide some advice, I would be very 
grateful.


Sorry for the long post.

Thanks in advance,

Mauricio
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Re: [Blind-Computing] Window Eyes Dilemma

2009-02-19 Thread Jack
Elaine,

Don't believe it.  For an agency to by anyone screen reading software is a 
very rare thing.  99 times out of 100, you buy everything yourself with your 
own money.

- Original Message - 
From: Elaine elaine.d...@gmail.com
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Window Eyes Dilemma


wow? you get jaws etc free? I'm obviously in the wrong country as over here,
in the UK, we have to purchase our own computers and accessible software.
Unless you wish to go cap in hand to a charity that is.

Some people really are lucky.

Elaine

- Original Message - 
From: Gerald Levy bwaylimi...@verizon.net
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Window Eyes Dilemma



 Your best course of action would be to decide which of the two screen
 readers you want to keep, and get rid of the other one.  Why do you need
 both JAWS and Window Eyes on the same system?  I am surprised that a state
 rehab agency would spend almost $2000 of taxpayer money on two screen
 readers for the same system, when one would be perfectly adequate. No
 wonder there's an economic crisis in this country. If you need a back-up
 screen reader to either JAWS or Window Eyes, you might consider NVDA,
 which is free and pretty usable.

 Gerald
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mauricio Molina mauriciohmol...@gmail.com
 To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
 Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:43 PM
 Subject: [Blind-Computing] Window Eyes Dilemma


 Hello To All,

 Obviously, I was hoping someone on this list might be able to assist me.
 I am currently setting up a brand new Dell Optiplex Desktop system.  It
 is a Vista Home Premium 32 bit system and as of yet, there is no
 antivirus installed.  I have also disabled UAC until I get all the
 software installed.  And therein lies the rub: I've successfully
 installed JAWS 10, MAGic 11, and ZoomText 9.4, but when I tried
 installing Window Eyes 7.01, there is some sort of conflict.  By the way,
 this is not my system, the State rehabilitation agency purchased it for
 one of their consumers and I am simply expected to set it up.  I admit I
 am a JAWS user so I enlisted Window Eyes tech support to assist me in the
 installation.  One of their agents, whose name I prefer not to mention,
 helped me make the correct choices during the installation process.  Yet
 after the installation was complete and the system was rebooted, all
 there was on the screen was black with the white mouse pointer in the
 center of the
 screen.  I've already stated that I am a JAWS user so to say that I am
 visually impaired would be redundant.  Still, I have enough remaining
 vision to make the previous observation.  When I asked the GW Micro tech
 support to comment on the problem, the only thing he had to offer was
 that it may be a video driver issue and the drivers may need to be
 updated.  I do not understand how this could be the case as the system is
 brand spanking new with an upgraded ATI HD 2400 Pro Graphics card.  I
 asked whether there were any known issues with having so many other
 assistive technologies installed on one computer or if there was a
 particular order in which they needed to be installed.  The answer was no
 to both questions.

 Fortunately, before installing any software, I create System Restore
 points.  So, with sighted assistance, I booted into safe mode and put the
 system back to before the Window Eyes installation and all was well.  I
 then called GW Micro tech support again and spoke with another tech.  I
 told him of my experience and all he had to add was that there was a
 conflict.  Duh!  Unfortunately, they offered no further assistance.

 So, what I would like to know is, does anyone have any ideas of which
 course of action I should follow next.  I may, just for the heck of it,
 update the graphics card driver, but if that does not work, what then?
 In fact, I have never yet had to update a video card driver so I am not
 even sure of the process though I imagine I can figure that one out.  But
 if anyone would like to provide some advice, I would be very grateful.

 Sorry for the long post.

 Thanks in advance,

 Mauricio
 Visit the JAWS Users List home page at:
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[Blind-Computing] Window Eyes Dilemma

2009-02-18 Thread Mauricio Molina
Hello To All,

Obviously, I was hoping someone on this list might be able to assist me.  I am 
currently setting up a brand new Dell Optiplex Desktop system.  It is a Vista 
Home Premium 32 bit system and as of yet, there is no antivirus installed.  I 
have also disabled UAC until I get all the software installed.  And therein 
lies the rub: I've successfully installed JAWS 10, MAGic 11, and ZoomText 9.4, 
but when I tried installing Window Eyes 7.01, there is some sort of conflict.  
By the way, this is not my system, the State rehabilitation agency purchased it 
for one of their consumers and I am simply expected to set it up.  I admit I am 
a JAWS user so I enlisted Window Eyes tech support to assist me in the 
installation.  One of their agents, whose name I prefer not to mention, helped 
me make the correct choices during the installation process.  Yet after the 
installation was complete and the system was rebooted, all there was on the 
screen was black with the white mouse pointer in the center of the screen.  
I've already stated that I am a JAWS user so to say that I am visually impaired 
would be redundant.  Still, I have enough remaining vision to make the previous 
observation.  When I asked the GW Micro tech support to comment on the problem, 
the only thing he had to offer was that it may be a video driver issue and the 
drivers may need to be updated.  I do not understand how this could be the case 
as the system is brand spanking new with an upgraded ATI HD 2400 Pro Graphics 
card.  I asked whether there were any known issues with having so many other 
assistive technologies installed on one computer or if there was a particular 
order in which they needed to be installed.  The answer was no to both 
questions.

Fortunately, before installing any software, I create System Restore points.  
So, with sighted assistance, I booted into safe mode and put the system back to 
before the Window Eyes installation and all was well.  I then called GW Micro 
tech support again and spoke with another tech.  I told him of my experience 
and all he had to add was that there was a conflict.  Duh!  Unfortunately, they 
offered no further assistance.

So, what I would like to know is, does anyone have any ideas of which course of 
action I should follow next.  I may, just for the heck of it, update the 
graphics card driver, but if that does not work, what then?  In fact, I have 
never yet had to update a video card driver so I am not even sure of the 
process though I imagine I can figure that one out.  But if anyone would like 
to provide some advice, I would be very grateful.

Sorry for the long post.

Thanks in advance,

Mauricio
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Re: [Blind-Computing] Window Eyes Dilemma

2009-02-18 Thread Victor
Hi Mauricio,

Have you checked the tech bulletins on the Freedom Scientific page and the 
AI Squared page?

Since you said that the screen is black with only the mouse pointer on it, I 
can only assume that this does have to do with the video, however, it may 
also have to do with having the two screen readers and the screen magnifiers 
installed at the same time.

Have you confirmed that the two magnifiers aren't starting at the same time?

As for updating the video drivers, one only needs to know the model number 
of the video card, then going to the ATI site and looking for the customer 
support for that model video card.

You may actually get lucky and find an automatic detection system on their 
page to find out if there are any downloads available for your model card.

In any case, it's just like installing any other update, and you will have 
to restart your computer once the update is done.

You may also wish to uninstall the other accessibility software in the hopes 
of pinpointing which is the one giving you the problem.

For example, start by installing Window Eyes first instead of the others, 
that way you can pin point whether it is the drivers being installed by 
Window eyes, and also pin point which of the other software titles are not 
playing nicely with Window Eyes.

Let us know how you make out.

Victor
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