Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
hello Mike they are in this order from top to bottom 1 attachments 2 received 3 from 4 subject Yvonne - Original Message - From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Hi Yvonne; Which 4 items do you have checked & when you look at the list of items checked, in which order do they appear? What I mean is, which is 1st or at the top of the list, which is 2nd, 3rd & so forth? Take care. Mike - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hi mike i have done the same as you and only checked 4 items however for some reason in my inbox some emails show the name of the person/company for instance t a f n then the remainder of the message. then when i open it i read the message and some only have what is mentioned in the subject box and not from the person or company who sent it did use to say from the person/company before i made those adjustments using the check/uncheck method any idea how i can get it back to how it was? thank youYvonne - Original Message - From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > HI Yvonne; > > As far as the widths of the boxes go, my guess is that Microsoft figures > that you only need to see XAmount of information per box. That is why you > have the option to make them wider if you need to do so. > > In the Columns option of the view menu the things that you check will show > up as fields / headers in an email. For example; I only have the > attachments, From, Subject , & Received options checked because that is > all > I want to see in the email fields. If i had the To, Sent, & Size items > checked, then an email would show who I sent the email to, what time I > sent > it, & the size of the email. Those are 3 things I don't need to have > shown > to me. You can experiment with checking & unchecking the different items > just to see which way you prefer your emails to look. Hope this helps. > Take care. > Mike > > - Original Message - > From: yvonne oliver > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:50 AM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > > > hello Mike > this may of done the trick > will keep a watch on new email and see if when it reads the subject line > if > it reads part of the body of the message > so far since doing this alteration it has not. > so hopefully this has worked. > i note that some have the same amount of pixels this being 155. > and some have a lower amount which varies as i go from one to the other. > and should they not all be the same for example to, from, subject should > they not all be 155? > and some were checked and a couple were not. > i have checked them all. > is this a wise thing to do? > or will it not make any difference if i check them all > and one last thing why are some checked and some unchecked what is the > difference? > once again thank you for your most valued assistance in things i need to > know and of course this group for being what it is and that is helping > people > > Yvonne > - Original Message - > From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 3:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > > > > Hi Yvonne; > > > > To shorten the width of your subject line do the following; > > 1. Press Alt + V, for the view menu. > > 2. Arrow down to columns & press enter, or just press the letter C, > after > > pressing Alt + V. > > 3. Arrow down to " Subject, " now tab down to " pixels wide", use your > > backspace key to backspace this number out, after clearing this number > > type > > in 400, this is what I keep my subject line at, & now tab to okay & > press > > enter. > > > > To join David's Jaws-Users List click on the link below. > > > > jaws-users-list-j...@jaws-users.com > > > > Put subscribe in the subject line and send. > > > > Hope this helps. Take care. > > Mike > > > > - Original Message - > > From: yvonne oliver > > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:29 AM > > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > > &
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
Hi Yvonne; Which 4 items do you have checked & when you look at the list of items checked, in which order do they appear? What I mean is, which is 1st or at the top of the list, which is 2nd, 3rd & so forth? Take care. Mike - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hi mike i have done the same as you and only checked 4 items however for some reason in my inbox some emails show the name of the person/company for instance t a f n then the remainder of the message. then when i open it i read the message and some only have what is mentioned in the subject box and not from the person or company who sent it did use to say from the person/company before i made those adjustments using the check/uncheck method any idea how i can get it back to how it was? thank youYvonne - Original Message - From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > HI Yvonne; > > As far as the widths of the boxes go, my guess is that Microsoft figures > that you only need to see XAmount of information per box. That is why you > have the option to make them wider if you need to do so. > > In the Columns option of the view menu the things that you check will show > up as fields / headers in an email. For example; I only have the > attachments, From, Subject , & Received options checked because that is > all > I want to see in the email fields. If i had the To, Sent, & Size items > checked, then an email would show who I sent the email to, what time I > sent > it, & the size of the email. Those are 3 things I don't need to have > shown > to me. You can experiment with checking & unchecking the different items > just to see which way you prefer your emails to look. Hope this helps. > Take care. > Mike > > - Original Message - > From: yvonne oliver > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:50 AM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > > > hello Mike > this may of done the trick > will keep a watch on new email and see if when it reads the subject line > if > it reads part of the body of the message > so far since doing this alteration it has not. > so hopefully this has worked. > i note that some have the same amount of pixels this being 155. > and some have a lower amount which varies as i go from one to the other. > and should they not all be the same for example to, from, subject should > they not all be 155? > and some were checked and a couple were not. > i have checked them all. > is this a wise thing to do? > or will it not make any difference if i check them all > and one last thing why are some checked and some unchecked what is the > difference? > once again thank you for your most valued assistance in things i need to > know and of course this group for being what it is and that is helping > people > > Yvonne > - Original Message - > From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 3:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > > > > Hi Yvonne; > > > > To shorten the width of your subject line do the following; > > 1. Press Alt + V, for the view menu. > > 2. Arrow down to columns & press enter, or just press the letter C, > after > > pressing Alt + V. > > 3. Arrow down to " Subject, " now tab down to " pixels wide", use your > > backspace key to backspace this number out, after clearing this number > > type > > in 400, this is what I keep my subject line at, & now tab to okay & > press > > enter. > > > > To join David's Jaws-Users List click on the link below. > > > > jaws-users-list-j...@jaws-users.com > > > > Put subscribe in the subject line and send. > > > > Hope this helps. Take care. > > Mike > > > > - Original Message - > > From: yvonne oliver > > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:29 AM > > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > > > > > > hello David > > thank you for reply > > i am with a jaws group but i think i am with the one in the UK > > so if this is n
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
hi mike i have done the same as you and only checked 4 items however for some reason in my inbox some emails show the name of the person/company for instance t a f n then the remainder of the message. then when i open it i read the message and some only have what is mentioned in the subject box and not from the person or company who sent it did use to say from the person/company before i made those adjustments using the check/uncheck method any idea how i can get it back to how it was? thank youYvonne - Original Message - From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list HI Yvonne; As far as the widths of the boxes go, my guess is that Microsoft figures that you only need to see XAmount of information per box. That is why you have the option to make them wider if you need to do so. In the Columns option of the view menu the things that you check will show up as fields / headers in an email. For example; I only have the attachments, From, Subject , & Received options checked because that is all I want to see in the email fields. If i had the To, Sent, & Size items checked, then an email would show who I sent the email to, what time I sent it, & the size of the email. Those are 3 things I don't need to have shown to me. You can experiment with checking & unchecking the different items just to see which way you prefer your emails to look. Hope this helps. Take care. Mike - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hello Mike this may of done the trick will keep a watch on new email and see if when it reads the subject line if it reads part of the body of the message so far since doing this alteration it has not. so hopefully this has worked. i note that some have the same amount of pixels this being 155. and some have a lower amount which varies as i go from one to the other. and should they not all be the same for example to, from, subject should they not all be 155? and some were checked and a couple were not. i have checked them all. is this a wise thing to do? or will it not make any difference if i check them all and one last thing why are some checked and some unchecked what is the difference? once again thank you for your most valued assistance in things i need to know and of course this group for being what it is and that is helping people Yvonne - Original Message - From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > Hi Yvonne; > > To shorten the width of your subject line do the following; > 1. Press Alt + V, for the view menu. > 2. Arrow down to columns & press enter, or just press the letter C, after > pressing Alt + V. > 3. Arrow down to " Subject, " now tab down to " pixels wide", use your > backspace key to backspace this number out, after clearing this number > type > in 400, this is what I keep my subject line at, & now tab to okay & press > enter. > > To join David's Jaws-Users List click on the link below. > > jaws-users-list-j...@jaws-users.com > > Put subscribe in the subject line and send. > > Hope this helps. Take care. > Mike > > - Original Message - > From: yvonne oliver > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:29 AM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > > > hello David > thank you for reply > i am with a jaws group but i think i am with the one in the UK > so if this is not the one you run that will explain why i never saw > anything > about the problem that had arisen. > i pose one question of which you may be able to help with > when i read the subject box it also reads the first and second line of > the > body of the text > how do i shorten the width of the subject box? > thank you > Yvonne > - Original Message - > From: "David Ferrin" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > > > > Well it is a closely garded secret and not everybody is aware of it so > I'm > > not surprised you didn't know. Actually I'm just kidding. Here is all > of > > the information about the list. > > > > http://jaws-users.com/mailman/listinfo/jaws-users-list_jaws-users.com > > > > > > David Ferrin > > ow...@jaws-users.com > > I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll proba
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
HI Yvonne; As far as the widths of the boxes go, my guess is that Microsoft figures that you only need to see XAmount of information per box. That is why you have the option to make them wider if you need to do so. In the Columns option of the view menu the things that you check will show up as fields / headers in an email. For example; I only have the attachments, From, Subject , & Received options checked because that is all I want to see in the email fields. If i had the To, Sent, & Size items checked, then an email would show who I sent the email to, what time I sent it, & the size of the email. Those are 3 things I don't need to have shown to me. You can experiment with checking & unchecking the different items just to see which way you prefer your emails to look. Hope this helps. Take care. Mike - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hello Mike this may of done the trick will keep a watch on new email and see if when it reads the subject line if it reads part of the body of the message so far since doing this alteration it has not. so hopefully this has worked. i note that some have the same amount of pixels this being 155. and some have a lower amount which varies as i go from one to the other. and should they not all be the same for example to, from, subject should they not all be 155? and some were checked and a couple were not. i have checked them all. is this a wise thing to do? or will it not make any difference if i check them all and one last thing why are some checked and some unchecked what is the difference? once again thank you for your most valued assistance in things i need to know and of course this group for being what it is and that is helping people Yvonne - Original Message - From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > Hi Yvonne; > > To shorten the width of your subject line do the following; > 1. Press Alt + V, for the view menu. > 2. Arrow down to columns & press enter, or just press the letter C, after > pressing Alt + V. > 3. Arrow down to " Subject, " now tab down to " pixels wide", use your > backspace key to backspace this number out, after clearing this number > type > in 400, this is what I keep my subject line at, & now tab to okay & press > enter. > > To join David's Jaws-Users List click on the link below. > > jaws-users-list-j...@jaws-users.com > > Put subscribe in the subject line and send. > > Hope this helps. Take care. > Mike > > - Original Message - > From: yvonne oliver > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:29 AM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > > > hello David > thank you for reply > i am with a jaws group but i think i am with the one in the UK > so if this is not the one you run that will explain why i never saw > anything > about the problem that had arisen. > i pose one question of which you may be able to help with > when i read the subject box it also reads the first and second line of > the > body of the text > how do i shorten the width of the subject box? > thank you > Yvonne > - Original Message - > From: "David Ferrin" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > > > > Well it is a closely garded secret and not everybody is aware of it so > I'm > > not surprised you didn't know. Actually I'm just kidding. Here is all > of > > the information about the list. > > > > http://jaws-users.com/mailman/listinfo/jaws-users-list_jaws-users.com > > > > > > David Ferrin > > ow...@jaws-users.com > > I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that > one > > up > > too. > > - Original Message - > > From: "yvonne oliver" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:45 AM > > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > > > > > >> hi David > >> what is this? > >> did not know you had another group > >> Yvonne > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "David Ferrin" > >> To: > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
hello Mike this may of done the trick will keep a watch on new email and see if when it reads the subject line if it reads part of the body of the message so far since doing this alteration it has not. so hopefully this has worked. i note that some have the same amount of pixels this being 155. and some have a lower amount which varies as i go from one to the other. and should they not all be the same for example to, from, subject should they not all be 155? and some were checked and a couple were not. i have checked them all. is this a wise thing to do? or will it not make any difference if i check them all and one last thing why are some checked and some unchecked what is the difference? once again thank you for your most valued assistance in things i need to know and of course this group for being what it is and that is helping people Yvonne - Original Message - From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Hi Yvonne; To shorten the width of your subject line do the following; 1. Press Alt + V, for the view menu. 2. Arrow down to columns & press enter, or just press the letter C, after pressing Alt + V. 3. Arrow down to " Subject, " now tab down to " pixels wide", use your backspace key to backspace this number out, after clearing this number type in 400, this is what I keep my subject line at, & now tab to okay & press enter. To join David's Jaws-Users List click on the link below. jaws-users-list-j...@jaws-users.com Put subscribe in the subject line and send. Hope this helps. Take care. Mike - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hello David thank you for reply i am with a jaws group but i think i am with the one in the UK so if this is not the one you run that will explain why i never saw anything about the problem that had arisen. i pose one question of which you may be able to help with when i read the subject box it also reads the first and second line of the body of the text how do i shorten the width of the subject box? thank you Yvonne - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > Well it is a closely garded secret and not everybody is aware of it so I'm > not surprised you didn't know. Actually I'm just kidding. Here is all of > the information about the list. > > http://jaws-users.com/mailman/listinfo/jaws-users-list_jaws-users.com > > > David Ferrin > ow...@jaws-users.com > I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one > up > too. > - Original Message ----- > From: "yvonne oliver" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:45 AM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > > >> hi David >> what is this? >> did not know you had another group >> Yvonne >> - Original Message - >> From: "David Ferrin" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:51 AM >> Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list >> >> >>> Sorry for the interruption of service on here for several hours for >>> those >>> of you who might not be aware of the trouble on the other list today >>> which caused me to shut down the entire domain for a period of time to >>> cool things off a bit. It's back on at this point. >>> David Ferrin >>> Most people don't know what they're doing and a lot of them are really >>> good at it. >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
Hi Yvonne; To shorten the width of your subject line do the following; 1. Press Alt + V, for the view menu. 2. Arrow down to columns & press enter, or just press the letter C, after pressing Alt + V. 3. Arrow down to " Subject, " now tab down to " pixels wide", use your backspace key to backspace this number out, after clearing this number type in 400, this is what I keep my subject line at, & now tab to okay & press enter. To join David's Jaws-Users List click on the link below. jaws-users-list-j...@jaws-users.com Put subscribe in the subject line and send. Hope this helps. Take care. Mike - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hello David thank you for reply i am with a jaws group but i think i am with the one in the UK so if this is not the one you run that will explain why i never saw anything about the problem that had arisen. i pose one question of which you may be able to help with when i read the subject box it also reads the first and second line of the body of the text how do i shorten the width of the subject box? thank you Yvonne - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > Well it is a closely garded secret and not everybody is aware of it so I'm > not surprised you didn't know. Actually I'm just kidding. Here is all of > the information about the list. > > http://jaws-users.com/mailman/listinfo/jaws-users-list_jaws-users.com > > > David Ferrin > ow...@jaws-users.com > I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one > up > too. > - Original Message ----- > From: "yvonne oliver" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:45 AM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > > >> hi David >> what is this? >> did not know you had another group >> Yvonne >> - Original Message - >> From: "David Ferrin" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:51 AM >> Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list >> >> >>> Sorry for the interruption of service on here for several hours for >>> those >>> of you who might not be aware of the trouble on the other list today >>> which caused me to shut down the entire domain for a period of time to >>> cool things off a bit. It's back on at this point. >>> David Ferrin >>> Most people don't know what they're doing and a lot of them are really >>> good at it. >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
hello David thank you for reply i am with a jaws group but i think i am with the one in the UK so if this is not the one you run that will explain why i never saw anything about the problem that had arisen. i pose one question of which you may be able to help with when i read the subject box it also reads the first and second line of the body of the text how do i shorten the width of the subject box? thank you Yvonne - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Well it is a closely garded secret and not everybody is aware of it so I'm not surprised you didn't know. Actually I'm just kidding. Here is all of the information about the list. http://jaws-users.com/mailman/listinfo/jaws-users-list_jaws-users.com David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: "yvonne oliver" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hi David what is this? did not know you had another group Yvonne - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:51 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Sorry for the interruption of service on here for several hours for those of you who might not be aware of the trouble on the other list today which caused me to shut down the entire domain for a period of time to cool things off a bit. It's back on at this point. David Ferrin Most people don't know what they're doing and a lot of them are really good at it. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
Well it is a closely garded secret and not everybody is aware of it so I'm not surprised you didn't know. Actually I'm just kidding. Here is all of the information about the list. http://jaws-users.com/mailman/listinfo/jaws-users-list_jaws-users.com David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: "yvonne oliver" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hi David what is this? did not know you had another group Yvonne - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:51 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Sorry for the interruption of service on here for several hours for those of you who might not be aware of the trouble on the other list today which caused me to shut down the entire domain for a period of time to cool things off a bit. It's back on at this point. David Ferrin Most people don't know what they're doing and a lot of them are really good at it. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
hi David what is this? did not know you had another group Yvonne - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:51 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Sorry for the interruption of service on here for several hours for those of you who might not be aware of the trouble on the other list today which caused me to shut down the entire domain for a period of time to cool things off a bit. It's back on at this point. David Ferrin Most people don't know what they're doing and a lot of them are really good at it. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] memo to the list
Sorry for the interruption of service on here for several hours for those of you who might not be aware of the trouble on the other list today which caused me to shut down the entire domain for a period of time to cool things off a bit. It's back on at this point. David Ferrin Most people don't know what they're doing and a lot of them are really good at it. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Folks, I agree as well. The people that manage this list are invaluable and this type of thread should always be in place as the job they are doing is a thankless one but an extremely important one. Robin -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Kim Kelly Sent: September 15, 2010 10:34 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list I am going to agree with this last post. You three guys are tops! I've learned a lot here as well. many thanks to everyone who has or, is going to help us in the future. Kim Kelly Clarkston Washington Email and facebook: kim...@clearwire.net Alternative E-mail: kim...@samobile.net skype: kblinky971 Visit my website http://www.samobile.net/users/kimk59/ Keep on smiling and everyone will wonder what you've been up too. author unknone - Original Message - From: "Deanne Miller" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > David: > This list is invaluable to me. It has made my experience using JAWS and > the computer SOOO much easier! I truly appreciate all the work the three > of you do so quietly and efficiently behind the scenes to keep this list > running for us. The three of you are awesome! Thank you! > Deanne > - Original Message - > From: "David Ferrin" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 4:23 AM > Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > > >> This is in regard of the recent thread about some of us being old timers >> myself included BTW. A couple of us who monitor these lists have been >> receiving private messages from people complaining about the way things >> have been handled. Personally my opinion is that it was handled quite >> well. A young man made what he felt was an innocent comment and he got a >> lot of flack for it from many of the members on here, again myself >> included. We left the thread go for a couple of days just to lighten the >> mood on here but yesterday I decided it was time to shut it down and get >> back to the purpose of what this list is all about. Now I am getting >> private messages that the guys are getting complaints that things were >> heading in a racial or ethnic direction. This I can state for a fact is >> not, never has been, or never will be an issue on any list I have a hand >> in monitoring. I can't control private messages any of you might send to >> each other but so far as what comes over this forum that's another story. >> >> I do this because I feel it is something that needs to be done. People in >> my opinion need a safe place where they can ask for help without fear of >> being insulted or criticized for not knowing a particular fact of >> computing. I started JAWS Users with Bob almost five years ago and Rick >> joined us about six months later, together the three of us have weathered >> some pretty big storms again just because we all feel it is something >> that simply needs to be done. >> >> The only thing we get out of it is the satisfaction that we are doing >> something that is helping out a lot of people or at least we'd like to >> think so. Honestly there are days when I think that playing electronic >> golf or enjoying the out side world listening to my Victor Reader seem >> pretty enticing. Some day we may shut it down although we are not >> planning on it at the present time. >> >> I need Rick and Bob to help me run these lists and if they get tired of >> doing it I'm not doing them alone, they are just too big. So no more >> private messages to either of them. I'm the guy who's name is on the door >> so to speak. >> David Ferrin >> www.jaws-users.com >> Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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I am in full agreement with Jenny's remarks, David. In addition, let me add that I will be retiring in another year or two. When that happens, I'd be happy to help you and Rick with that heavy load. After all, with two Justices on the board, how could anything go wrong? LMAO John justice -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 8:11 AM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list I am aware of the fact that many people benefit from what goes on here and it is nice that you state that fact, thank you. I only posted my earlier message to clear the air so to speak and to mention that the guys that work with me on here are every bit as important to keeping the doors open as I am. Often times I have to step away for family reasons or what ever and they handle the load without missing a beat. I had to step back about 6 months ago for several weeks and almost nobody noticed because they took the ball and kept everything running smoothly. It's just that once in a while I have to climb up on my soap box because I'm so short just to get my point across. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: "Jenny Dawson" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Hi David I for one highly value this list and have benifited from the help that I've received. Regards Jenny Dawson -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2010 7:24 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list This is in regard of the recent thread about some of us being old timers myself included BTW. A couple of us who monitor these lists have been receiving private messages from people complaining about the way things have been handled. Personally my opinion is that it was handled quite well. A young man made what he felt was an innocent comment and he got a lot of flack for it from many of the members on here, again myself included. We left the thread go for a couple of days just to lighten the mood on here but yesterday I decided it was time to shut it down and get back to the purpose of what this list is all about. Now I am getting private messages that the guys are getting complaints that things were heading in a racial or ethnic direction. This I can state for a fact is not, never has been, or never will be an issue on any list I have a hand in monitoring. I can't control private messages any of you might send to each other but so far as what comes over this forum that's another story. I do this because I feel it is something that needs to be done. People in my opinion need a safe place where they can ask for help without fear of being insulted or criticized for not knowing a particular fact of computing. I started JAWS Users with Bob almost five years ago and Rick joined us about six months later, together the three of us have weathered some pretty big storms again just because we all feel it is something that simply needs to be done. The only thing we get out of it is the satisfaction that we are doing something that is helping out a lot of people or at least we'd like to think so. Honestly there are days when I think that playing electronic golf or enjoying the out side world listening to my Victor Reader seem pretty enticing. Some day we may shut it down although we are not planning on it at the present time. I need Rick and Bob to help me run these lists and if they get tired of doing it I'm not doing them alone, they are just too big. So no more private messages to either of them. I'm the guy who's name is on the door so to speak. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3132 - Release Date: 09/14/10 14:35:00 For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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We plan on continuing normal operations unless something changes unexpectedly, but I wouldn't worry about it at this time. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: "ROSEMARIE CHAVARRIA" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Hi, David, You three guys do such a beautiful job running this list. I've learned so much from everyone on here and I hope I've done my part in contributing to the list. As far as old, I think we can all learn from each other no matter what age we are. Some of the best friends I've had during my lifetime are elderly and I love them dearly. I hope this list never has to be shut down. Keep up the great work you're doing, guys. Rosemarie - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list >I agree that this is a great list. I am old, 72 and i don't mind the old > talk at all. > Thanks for a great list. > Nan > - Original Message - > From: "Kim Kelly" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:34 AM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > > >>I am going to agree with this last post. >> >> You three guys are tops! >> I've learned a lot here as well. >> >> many thanks to everyone who has or, is going to help us in the future. >> >> >> >> >> Kim Kelly >> >> Clarkston Washington >> >> Email and facebook: >> kim...@clearwire.net >> >> Alternative E-mail: >> >> kim...@samobile.net >> >> skype: >> >> kblinky971 >> >> >> Visit my website >> http://www.samobile.net/users/kimk59/ >> >> Keep on smiling and everyone will wonder what you've been up too. >> author unknone >> - Original Message - >> From: "Deanne Miller" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list >> >> >>> David: >>> This list is invaluable to me. It has made my experience using JAWS and >>> the computer SOOO much easier! I truly appreciate all the work the three >>> of you do so quietly and efficiently behind the scenes to keep this list >>> running for us. The three of you are awesome! Thank you! >>> Deanne >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "David Ferrin" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 4:23 AM >>> Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list >>> >>> >>>> This is in regard of the recent thread about some of us being old >>>> timers >>>> myself included BTW. A couple of us who monitor these lists have been >>>> receiving private messages from people complaining about the way things >>>> have been handled. Personally my opinion is that it was handled quite >>>> well. A young man made what he felt was an innocent comment and he got >>>> a >>>> lot of flack for it from many of the members on here, again myself >>>> included. We left the thread go for a couple of days just to lighten >>>> the >>>> mood on here but yesterday I decided it was time to shut it down and >>>> get >>>> back to the purpose of what this list is all about. Now I am getting >>>> private messages that the guys are getting complaints that things were >>>> heading in a racial or ethnic direction. This I can state for a fact is >>>> not, never has been, or never will be an issue on any list I have a >>>> hand >>>> in monitoring. I can't control private messages any of you might send >>>> to >>>> each other but so far as what comes over this forum that's another >>>> story. >>>> >>>> I do this because I feel it is something that needs to be done. People >>>> in >>>> my opinion need a safe place where they can ask for help without fear >>>> of >>>> being insulted or criticized for not knowing a particular fact of >>>> computing. I started JAWS Users with Bob almost five years ago and Rick >>>> joined us about six months later, together the three of us have >>>> weathered >>>> some pretty big storms again just because we all feel it is something >>>> that simply needs to be done. >>>> >>>> The only thing we get out of
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Hi, David, You three guys do such a beautiful job running this list. I've learned so much from everyone on here and I hope I've done my part in contributing to the list. As far as old, I think we can all learn from each other no matter what age we are. Some of the best friends I've had during my lifetime are elderly and I love them dearly. I hope this list never has to be shut down. Keep up the great work you're doing, guys. Rosemarie - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list I agree that this is a great list. I am old, 72 and i don't mind the old talk at all. Thanks for a great list. Nan - Original Message - From: "Kim Kelly" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list I am going to agree with this last post. You three guys are tops! I've learned a lot here as well. many thanks to everyone who has or, is going to help us in the future. Kim Kelly Clarkston Washington Email and facebook: kim...@clearwire.net Alternative E-mail: kim...@samobile.net skype: kblinky971 Visit my website http://www.samobile.net/users/kimk59/ Keep on smiling and everyone will wonder what you've been up too. author unknone - Original Message - From: "Deanne Miller" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list David: This list is invaluable to me. It has made my experience using JAWS and the computer SOOO much easier! I truly appreciate all the work the three of you do so quietly and efficiently behind the scenes to keep this list running for us. The three of you are awesome! Thank you! Deanne - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 4:23 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list This is in regard of the recent thread about some of us being old timers myself included BTW. A couple of us who monitor these lists have been receiving private messages from people complaining about the way things have been handled. Personally my opinion is that it was handled quite well. A young man made what he felt was an innocent comment and he got a lot of flack for it from many of the members on here, again myself included. We left the thread go for a couple of days just to lighten the mood on here but yesterday I decided it was time to shut it down and get back to the purpose of what this list is all about. Now I am getting private messages that the guys are getting complaints that things were heading in a racial or ethnic direction. This I can state for a fact is not, never has been, or never will be an issue on any list I have a hand in monitoring. I can't control private messages any of you might send to each other but so far as what comes over this forum that's another story. I do this because I feel it is something that needs to be done. People in my opinion need a safe place where they can ask for help without fear of being insulted or criticized for not knowing a particular fact of computing. I started JAWS Users with Bob almost five years ago and Rick joined us about six months later, together the three of us have weathered some pretty big storms again just because we all feel it is something that simply needs to be done. The only thing we get out of it is the satisfaction that we are doing something that is helping out a lot of people or at least we'd like to think so. Honestly there are days when I think that playing electronic golf or enjoying the out side world listening to my Victor Reader seem pretty enticing. Some day we may shut it down although we are not planning on it at the present time. I need Rick and Bob to help me run these lists and if they get tired of doing it I'm not doing them alone, they are just too big. So no more private messages to either of them. I'm the guy who's name is on the door so to speak. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3138 - Release Date: 09/16/10 02:34:00 For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.445 / Vir
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I agree that this is a great list. I am old, 72 and i don't mind the old talk at all. Thanks for a great list. Nan - Original Message - From: "Kim Kelly" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list I am going to agree with this last post. You three guys are tops! I've learned a lot here as well. many thanks to everyone who has or, is going to help us in the future. Kim Kelly Clarkston Washington Email and facebook: kim...@clearwire.net Alternative E-mail: kim...@samobile.net skype: kblinky971 Visit my website http://www.samobile.net/users/kimk59/ Keep on smiling and everyone will wonder what you've been up too. author unknone - Original Message - From: "Deanne Miller" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list David: This list is invaluable to me. It has made my experience using JAWS and the computer SOOO much easier! I truly appreciate all the work the three of you do so quietly and efficiently behind the scenes to keep this list running for us. The three of you are awesome! Thank you! Deanne - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 4:23 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list This is in regard of the recent thread about some of us being old timers myself included BTW. A couple of us who monitor these lists have been receiving private messages from people complaining about the way things have been handled. Personally my opinion is that it was handled quite well. A young man made what he felt was an innocent comment and he got a lot of flack for it from many of the members on here, again myself included. We left the thread go for a couple of days just to lighten the mood on here but yesterday I decided it was time to shut it down and get back to the purpose of what this list is all about. Now I am getting private messages that the guys are getting complaints that things were heading in a racial or ethnic direction. This I can state for a fact is not, never has been, or never will be an issue on any list I have a hand in monitoring. I can't control private messages any of you might send to each other but so far as what comes over this forum that's another story. I do this because I feel it is something that needs to be done. People in my opinion need a safe place where they can ask for help without fear of being insulted or criticized for not knowing a particular fact of computing. I started JAWS Users with Bob almost five years ago and Rick joined us about six months later, together the three of us have weathered some pretty big storms again just because we all feel it is something that simply needs to be done. The only thing we get out of it is the satisfaction that we are doing something that is helping out a lot of people or at least we'd like to think so. Honestly there are days when I think that playing electronic golf or enjoying the out side world listening to my Victor Reader seem pretty enticing. Some day we may shut it down although we are not planning on it at the present time. I need Rick and Bob to help me run these lists and if they get tired of doing it I'm not doing them alone, they are just too big. So no more private messages to either of them. I'm the guy who's name is on the door so to speak. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3138 - Release Date: 09/16/10 02:34:00 For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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I am going to agree with this last post. You three guys are tops! I've learned a lot here as well. many thanks to everyone who has or, is going to help us in the future. Kim Kelly Clarkston Washington Email and facebook: kim...@clearwire.net Alternative E-mail: kim...@samobile.net skype: kblinky971 Visit my website http://www.samobile.net/users/kimk59/ Keep on smiling and everyone will wonder what you've been up too. author unknone - Original Message - From: "Deanne Miller" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list David: This list is invaluable to me. It has made my experience using JAWS and the computer SOOO much easier! I truly appreciate all the work the three of you do so quietly and efficiently behind the scenes to keep this list running for us. The three of you are awesome! Thank you! Deanne - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 4:23 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list This is in regard of the recent thread about some of us being old timers myself included BTW. A couple of us who monitor these lists have been receiving private messages from people complaining about the way things have been handled. Personally my opinion is that it was handled quite well. A young man made what he felt was an innocent comment and he got a lot of flack for it from many of the members on here, again myself included. We left the thread go for a couple of days just to lighten the mood on here but yesterday I decided it was time to shut it down and get back to the purpose of what this list is all about. Now I am getting private messages that the guys are getting complaints that things were heading in a racial or ethnic direction. This I can state for a fact is not, never has been, or never will be an issue on any list I have a hand in monitoring. I can't control private messages any of you might send to each other but so far as what comes over this forum that's another story. I do this because I feel it is something that needs to be done. People in my opinion need a safe place where they can ask for help without fear of being insulted or criticized for not knowing a particular fact of computing. I started JAWS Users with Bob almost five years ago and Rick joined us about six months later, together the three of us have weathered some pretty big storms again just because we all feel it is something that simply needs to be done. The only thing we get out of it is the satisfaction that we are doing something that is helping out a lot of people or at least we'd like to think so. Honestly there are days when I think that playing electronic golf or enjoying the out side world listening to my Victor Reader seem pretty enticing. Some day we may shut it down although we are not planning on it at the present time. I need Rick and Bob to help me run these lists and if they get tired of doing it I'm not doing them alone, they are just too big. So no more private messages to either of them. I'm the guy who's name is on the door so to speak. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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David: This list is invaluable to me. It has made my experience using JAWS and the computer SOOO much easier! I truly appreciate all the work the three of you do so quietly and efficiently behind the scenes to keep this list running for us. The three of you are awesome! Thank you! Deanne - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 4:23 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list This is in regard of the recent thread about some of us being old timers myself included BTW. A couple of us who monitor these lists have been receiving private messages from people complaining about the way things have been handled. Personally my opinion is that it was handled quite well. A young man made what he felt was an innocent comment and he got a lot of flack for it from many of the members on here, again myself included. We left the thread go for a couple of days just to lighten the mood on here but yesterday I decided it was time to shut it down and get back to the purpose of what this list is all about. Now I am getting private messages that the guys are getting complaints that things were heading in a racial or ethnic direction. This I can state for a fact is not, never has been, or never will be an issue on any list I have a hand in monitoring. I can't control private messages any of you might send to each other but so far as what comes over this forum that's another story. I do this because I feel it is something that needs to be done. People in my opinion need a safe place where they can ask for help without fear of being insulted or criticized for not knowing a particular fact of computing. I started JAWS Users with Bob almost five years ago and Rick joined us about six months later, together the three of us have weathered some pretty big storms again just because we all feel it is something that simply needs to be done. The only thing we get out of it is the satisfaction that we are doing something that is helping out a lot of people or at least we'd like to think so. Honestly there are days when I think that playing electronic golf or enjoying the out side world listening to my Victor Reader seem pretty enticing. Some day we may shut it down although we are not planning on it at the present time. I need Rick and Bob to help me run these lists and if they get tired of doing it I'm not doing them alone, they are just too big. So no more private messages to either of them. I'm the guy who's name is on the door so to speak. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] memo to the list
This is in regard of the recent thread about some of us being old timers myself included BTW. A couple of us who monitor these lists have been receiving private messages from people complaining about the way things have been handled. Personally my opinion is that it was handled quite well. A young man made what he felt was an innocent comment and he got a lot of flack for it from many of the members on here, again myself included. We left the thread go for a couple of days just to lighten the mood on here but yesterday I decided it was time to shut it down and get back to the purpose of what this list is all about. Now I am getting private messages that the guys are getting complaints that things were heading in a racial or ethnic direction. This I can state for a fact is not, never has been, or never will be an issue on any list I have a hand in monitoring. I can't control private messages any of you might send to each other but so far as what comes over this forum that's an other story. I do this because I feel it is something that needs to be done. People in my opinion need a safe place where they can ask for help without fear of being insulted or criticized for not knowing a particular fact of computing. I started JAWS Users with Bob almost five years ago and Rick joined us about six months later, together the three of us have weathered some pretty big storms again just because we all feel it is something that simply needs to be done. The only thing we get out of it is the satisfaction that we are doing something that is helping out a lot of people or at least we'd like to think so. Honestly there are days when I think that playing electronic golf or enjoying the out side world listening to my Victor Reader seem pretty enticing. Some day we may shut it down although we are not planning on it at the present time. I need Rick and Bob to help me run these lists and if they get tired of doing it I'm not doing them alone, they are just too big. So no more private messages to either of them. I'm the guy who's name is on the door so to speak. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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I am aware of the fact that many people benefit from what goes on here and it is nice that you state that fact, thank you. I only posted my earlier message to clear the air so to speak and to mention that the guys that work with me on here are every bit as important to keeping the doors open as I am. Often times I have to step away for family reasons or what ever and they handle the load without missing a beat. I had to step back about 6 months ago for several weeks and almost nobody noticed because they took the ball and kept everything running smoothly. It's just that once in a while I have to climb up on my soap box because I'm so short just to get my point across. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: "Jenny Dawson" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Hi David I for one highly value this list and have benifited from the help that I've received. Regards Jenny Dawson -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2010 7:24 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list This is in regard of the recent thread about some of us being old timers myself included BTW. A couple of us who monitor these lists have been receiving private messages from people complaining about the way things have been handled. Personally my opinion is that it was handled quite well. A young man made what he felt was an innocent comment and he got a lot of flack for it from many of the members on here, again myself included. We left the thread go for a couple of days just to lighten the mood on here but yesterday I decided it was time to shut it down and get back to the purpose of what this list is all about. Now I am getting private messages that the guys are getting complaints that things were heading in a racial or ethnic direction. This I can state for a fact is not, never has been, or never will be an issue on any list I have a hand in monitoring. I can't control private messages any of you might send to each other but so far as what comes over this forum that's another story. I do this because I feel it is something that needs to be done. People in my opinion need a safe place where they can ask for help without fear of being insulted or criticized for not knowing a particular fact of computing. I started JAWS Users with Bob almost five years ago and Rick joined us about six months later, together the three of us have weathered some pretty big storms again just because we all feel it is something that simply needs to be done. The only thing we get out of it is the satisfaction that we are doing something that is helping out a lot of people or at least we'd like to think so. Honestly there are days when I think that playing electronic golf or enjoying the out side world listening to my Victor Reader seem pretty enticing. Some day we may shut it down although we are not planning on it at the present time. I need Rick and Bob to help me run these lists and if they get tired of doing it I'm not doing them alone, they are just too big. So no more private messages to either of them. I'm the guy who's name is on the door so to speak. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3132 - Release Date: 09/14/10 14:35:00 For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
Hi David I for one highly value this list and have benifited from the help that I've received. Regards Jenny Dawson -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2010 7:24 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list This is in regard of the recent thread about some of us being old timers myself included BTW. A couple of us who monitor these lists have been receiving private messages from people complaining about the way things have been handled. Personally my opinion is that it was handled quite well. A young man made what he felt was an innocent comment and he got a lot of flack for it from many of the members on here, again myself included. We left the thread go for a couple of days just to lighten the mood on here but yesterday I decided it was time to shut it down and get back to the purpose of what this list is all about. Now I am getting private messages that the guys are getting complaints that things were heading in a racial or ethnic direction. This I can state for a fact is not, never has been, or never will be an issue on any list I have a hand in monitoring. I can't control private messages any of you might send to each other but so far as what comes over this forum that's another story. I do this because I feel it is something that needs to be done. People in my opinion need a safe place where they can ask for help without fear of being insulted or criticized for not knowing a particular fact of computing. I started JAWS Users with Bob almost five years ago and Rick joined us about six months later, together the three of us have weathered some pretty big storms again just because we all feel it is something that simply needs to be done. The only thing we get out of it is the satisfaction that we are doing something that is helping out a lot of people or at least we'd like to think so. Honestly there are days when I think that playing electronic golf or enjoying the out side world listening to my Victor Reader seem pretty enticing. Some day we may shut it down although we are not planning on it at the present time. I need Rick and Bob to help me run these lists and if they get tired of doing it I'm not doing them alone, they are just too big. So no more private messages to either of them. I'm the guy who's name is on the door so to speak. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3132 - Release Date: 09/14/10 14:35:00 For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
that goes with out saying i don't right much but i have lurn alot thanks guies curtis martin - Original Message - From: "Fred Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > David, thanks to you and the moderators for all you guys do on the list. > I > think all of us subscribers really appreciate you guys. > - Original Message - > From: "David Ferrin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:05 PM > Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > > >>I have been remiss in posting this so it's time to make up for that >>oversight on my part. >> >> First of all often times folks contact the moderators for help regarding >> their subscription which in itself is perfectly fine once all other >> avenues have been explored such as the audio tutorial I did regarding the >> mailman program. What needs to be kept in mind is that when you ask for >> help please indicate clearly which list you are referring to. It is for >> the most part a better practice to use the contact forms on the main page >> as they will reach all of us at the same time which will improve your >> chances for prompt help regarding what ever it is you need. Remember I >> personally maintain ownership status on no less than 3 separate mailing >> lists and as a result might not know which list it is you're asking >> about, >> so please be clear. >> >> Also please remember to keep the subject lines indicative of what ever >> the >> message that is contained in your email so people won't be deleting your >> message thinking it doesn't interest them when in fact it might just be >> something they could help you with. >> >> Remember we do this as a hobby because it's something that my team all >> believe is worth doing, and we will continue so long as we feel people >> are >> benefiting from the experience. Personally when I see somebody who >> started >> out on here asking for help on each and every little thing and then all >> of >> a sudden that same person starts contributing by helping other people >> with >> their particular problems I say to myself this is why I started this >> project. >> >> I thank those of you who have helped make this a success and for your >> continued contributions in what ever form they might happen to be. >> David Ferrin >> www.jaws-users.com >> Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: >> http://www.jaws-users.com >> Visit the Blind Computing home page at: >> http://www.blind-computing.com >> Address for the list archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ >> To post to this group, send email to >> blind-computing@jaws-users.com >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject >> or body of a blank message to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Use the following form in order to contact the management team >> http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php >> If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the >> following address: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: > http://www.jaws-users.com > Visit the Blind Computing home page at: > http://www.blind-computing.com > Address for the list archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ > To post to this group, send email to > blind-computing@jaws-users.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject > or body of a blank message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Use the following form in order to contact the management team > http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php > If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the > following address: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
I use to say it to my old boss who responded I don't get the big buck Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "David Ferrin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:16:11 To: Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list That's why we get the big money, ya right. David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Fred Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > David, thanks to you and the moderators for all you guys do on the list. > I > think all of us subscribers really appreciate you guys. > - Original Message - > From: "David Ferrin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:05 PM > Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > > >>I have been remiss in posting this so it's time to make up for that >>oversight on my part. >> >> First of all often times folks contact the moderators for help regarding >> their subscription which in itself is perfectly fine once all other >> avenues have been explored such as the audio tutorial I did regarding the >> mailman program. What needs to be kept in mind is that when you ask for >> help please indicate clearly which list you are referring to. It is for >> the most part a better practice to use the contact forms on the main page >> as they will reach all of us at the same time which will improve your >> chances for prompt help regarding what ever it is you need. Remember I >> personally maintain ownership status on no less than 3 separate mailing >> lists and as a result might not know which list it is you're asking >> about, >> so please be clear. >> >> Also please remember to keep the subject lines indicative of what ever >> the >> message that is contained in your email so people won't be deleting your >> message thinking it doesn't interest them when in fact it might just be >> something they could help you with. >> >> Remember we do this as a hobby because it's something that my team all >> believe is worth doing, and we will continue so long as we feel people >> are >> benefiting from the experience. Personally when I see somebody who >> started >> out on here asking for help on each and every little thing and then all >> of >> a sudden that same person starts contributing by helping other people >> with >> their particular problems I say to myself this is why I started this >> project. >> >> I thank those of you who have helped make this a success and for your >> continued contributions in what ever form they might happen to be. >> David Ferrin >> www.jaws-users.com >> Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: >> http://www.jaws-users.com >> Visit the Blind Computing home page at: >> http://www.blind-computing.com >> Address for the list archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ >> To post to this group, send email to >> blind-computing@jaws-users.com >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject >> or body of a blank message to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Use the following form in order to contact the management team >> http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php >> If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the >> following address: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: > http://www.jaws-users.com > Visit the Blind Computing home page at: > http://www.blind-computing.com > Address for the list archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ > To post to this group, send email to > blind-computing@jaws-users.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject > or body of a blank message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Use the following form in order to contact the management team > http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php > If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the > following address: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EM
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
That's why we get the big money, ya right. David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Fred Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > David, thanks to you and the moderators for all you guys do on the list. > I > think all of us subscribers really appreciate you guys. > - Original Message - > From: "David Ferrin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:05 PM > Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > > >>I have been remiss in posting this so it's time to make up for that >>oversight on my part. >> >> First of all often times folks contact the moderators for help regarding >> their subscription which in itself is perfectly fine once all other >> avenues have been explored such as the audio tutorial I did regarding the >> mailman program. What needs to be kept in mind is that when you ask for >> help please indicate clearly which list you are referring to. It is for >> the most part a better practice to use the contact forms on the main page >> as they will reach all of us at the same time which will improve your >> chances for prompt help regarding what ever it is you need. Remember I >> personally maintain ownership status on no less than 3 separate mailing >> lists and as a result might not know which list it is you're asking >> about, >> so please be clear. >> >> Also please remember to keep the subject lines indicative of what ever >> the >> message that is contained in your email so people won't be deleting your >> message thinking it doesn't interest them when in fact it might just be >> something they could help you with. >> >> Remember we do this as a hobby because it's something that my team all >> believe is worth doing, and we will continue so long as we feel people >> are >> benefiting from the experience. Personally when I see somebody who >> started >> out on here asking for help on each and every little thing and then all >> of >> a sudden that same person starts contributing by helping other people >> with >> their particular problems I say to myself this is why I started this >> project. >> >> I thank those of you who have helped make this a success and for your >> continued contributions in what ever form they might happen to be. >> David Ferrin >> www.jaws-users.com >> Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: >> http://www.jaws-users.com >> Visit the Blind Computing home page at: >> http://www.blind-computing.com >> Address for the list archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ >> To post to this group, send email to >> blind-computing@jaws-users.com >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject >> or body of a blank message to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Use the following form in order to contact the management team >> http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php >> If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the >> following address: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: > http://www.jaws-users.com > Visit the Blind Computing home page at: > http://www.blind-computing.com > Address for the list archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ > To post to this group, send email to > blind-computing@jaws-users.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject > or body of a blank message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Use the following form in order to contact the management team > http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php > If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the > following address: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
David, thanks to you and the moderators for all you guys do on the list. I think all of us subscribers really appreciate you guys. - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:05 PM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list >I have been remiss in posting this so it's time to make up for that >oversight on my part. > > First of all often times folks contact the moderators for help regarding > their subscription which in itself is perfectly fine once all other > avenues have been explored such as the audio tutorial I did regarding the > mailman program. What needs to be kept in mind is that when you ask for > help please indicate clearly which list you are referring to. It is for > the most part a better practice to use the contact forms on the main page > as they will reach all of us at the same time which will improve your > chances for prompt help regarding what ever it is you need. Remember I > personally maintain ownership status on no less than 3 separate mailing > lists and as a result might not know which list it is you're asking about, > so please be clear. > > Also please remember to keep the subject lines indicative of what ever the > message that is contained in your email so people won't be deleting your > message thinking it doesn't interest them when in fact it might just be > something they could help you with. > > Remember we do this as a hobby because it's something that my team all > believe is worth doing, and we will continue so long as we feel people are > benefiting from the experience. Personally when I see somebody who started > out on here asking for help on each and every little thing and then all of > a sudden that same person starts contributing by helping other people with > their particular problems I say to myself this is why I started this > project. > > I thank those of you who have helped make this a success and for your > continued contributions in what ever form they might happen to be. > David Ferrin > www.jaws-users.com > Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: > http://www.jaws-users.com > Visit the Blind Computing home page at: > http://www.blind-computing.com > Address for the list archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ > To post to this group, send email to > blind-computing@jaws-users.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject > or body of a blank message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Use the following form in order to contact the management team > http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php > If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the > following address: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Blind-Computing] memo to the list
I have been remiss in posting this so it's time to make up for that oversight on my part. First of all often times folks contact the moderators for help regarding their subscription which in itself is perfectly fine once all other avenues have been explored such as the audio tutorial I did regarding the mailman program. What needs to be kept in mind is that when you ask for help please indicate clearly which list you are referring to. It is for the most part a better practice to use the contact forms on the main page as they will reach all of us at the same time which will improve your chances for prompt help regarding what ever it is you need. Remember I personally maintain ownership status on no less than 3 separate mailing lists and as a result might not know which list it is you're asking about, so please be clear. Also please remember to keep the subject lines indicative of what ever the message that is contained in your email so people won't be deleting your message thinking it doesn't interest them when in fact it might just be something they could help you with. Remember we do this as a hobby because it's something that my team all believe is worth doing, and we will continue so long as we feel people are benefiting from the experience. Personally when I see somebody who started out on here asking for help on each and every little thing and then all of a sudden that same person starts contributing by helping other people with their particular problems I say to myself this is why I started this project. I thank those of you who have helped make this a success and for your continued contributions in what ever form they might happen to be. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
It's not on the block folks, and I'm going to try and keep it off of there. I do thank those who have replied on here and privately for their thoughts and opinions. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: "Maria Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list I certainly hope this list continues. Surely, you can find some talented people to assist. Good luck. Sunny Day Maria Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lord, let me be a shining light In all I say and do, That Your great love displayed in me May lead someone to You. - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:33 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > For some reason and I don't really know what it is Rick has left the list > leaving me alone here to manage the thing. The reason I am announcing this > is because I'm not sure exactly what to do with it as it is growing as > quickly as the JAWS Users List, which means a lot of emails in my box > every day. I realize it's providing an important resource for a large > number of people so I must take that in to consideration before making any > decisions regarding it's future. I'm not planning on shutting it down at > this time but the fact is for the most part I've been doing most of the > management for quite a while now and it's starting to ware on me I must > admit. I've been thinking of asking somebody on here to help out and if I > do you'll be contacted privately, of course feel free to decline for what > ever reason because it can be a thankless job sometimes. That's it for > now, more information as it comes across my desk and believe me this is > not what I had planned for today obviously. > David Ferrin > www.jaws-users.com > Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: > http://www.blind-computing.com > Address for the list archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ > To post to this group, send email to > blind-computing@jaws-users.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject > or body of a blank message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Use the following form in order to contact the management team > http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php > If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the > following address: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ill step up if dave wants it Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "Maria Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:36:48 To: Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list I certainly hope this list continues. Surely, you can find some talented people to assist. Good luck. Sunny Day Maria Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lord, let me be a shining light In all I say and do, That Your great love displayed in me May lead someone to You. - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:33 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > For some reason and I don't really know what it is Rick has left the list > leaving me alone here to manage the thing. The reason I am announcing this > is because I'm not sure exactly what to do with it as it is growing as > quickly as the JAWS Users List, which means a lot of emails in my box > every day. I realize it's providing an important resource for a large > number of people so I must take that in to consideration before making any > decisions regarding it's future. I'm not planning on shutting it down at > this time but the fact is for the most part I've been doing most of the > management for quite a while now and it's starting to ware on me I must > admit. I've been thinking of asking somebody on here to help out and if I > do you'll be contacted privately, of course feel free to decline for what > ever reason because it can be a thankless job sometimes. That's it for > now, more information as it comes across my desk and believe me this is > not what I had planned for today obviously. > David Ferrin > www.jaws-users.com > Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: > http://www.blind-computing.com > Address for the list archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ > To post to this group, send email to > blind-computing@jaws-users.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject > or body of a blank message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Use the following form in order to contact the management team > http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php > If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the > following address: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I certainly hope this list continues. Surely, you can find some talented people to assist. Good luck. Sunny Day Maria Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lord, let me be a shining light In all I say and do, That Your great love displayed in me May lead someone to You. - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:33 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list > For some reason and I don't really know what it is Rick has left the list > leaving me alone here to manage the thing. The reason I am announcing this > is because I'm not sure exactly what to do with it as it is growing as > quickly as the JAWS Users List, which means a lot of emails in my box > every day. I realize it's providing an important resource for a large > number of people so I must take that in to consideration before making any > decisions regarding it's future. I'm not planning on shutting it down at > this time but the fact is for the most part I've been doing most of the > management for quite a while now and it's starting to ware on me I must > admit. I've been thinking of asking somebody on here to help out and if I > do you'll be contacted privately, of course feel free to decline for what > ever reason because it can be a thankless job sometimes. That's it for > now, more information as it comes across my desk and believe me this is > not what I had planned for today obviously. > David Ferrin > www.jaws-users.com > Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: > http://www.blind-computing.com > Address for the list archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ > To post to this group, send email to > blind-computing@jaws-users.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject > or body of a blank message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Use the following form in order to contact the management team > http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php > If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the > following address: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Blind-Computing] memo to the list
For some reason and I don't really know what it is Rick has left the list leaving me alone here to manage the thing. The reason I am announcing this is because I'm not sure exactly what to do with it as it is growing as quickly as the JAWS Users List, which means a lot of emails in my box every day. I realize it's providing an important resource for a large number of people so I must take that in to consideration before making any decisions regarding it's future. I'm not planning on shutting it down at this time but the fact is for the most part I've been doing most of the management for quite a while now and it's starting to ware on me I must admit. I've been thinking of asking somebody on here to help out and if I do you'll be contacted privately, of course feel free to decline for what ever reason because it can be a thankless job sometimes. That's it for now, more information as it comes across my desk and believe me this is not what I had planned for today obviously. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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All right folks, here's the deal at this time. Confused is not an acceptable subject line. I've tried to change it to no avail. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: "Victor Gouveia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] confused; Hi Sharon, Almost any CD-R you buy will give you the ability to create audio CD's, it's just a matter of being able to tell what ever software you are using that you wish to create an audio CD, and it will take any tracks you wish to burn onto a Cd and convert it to a dot CDA format, which is what the files look like on an audio Cd. Most CD's, especially audio CD's will allow you to burn anywhere between 19 to 22 songs on it. These songs or audio tracks should not exceed a total of 70 minutes, 80 minutes, depending on the length of CD you purchase. Good name brands to buy are Sony, maxell, TDK and/or Mitsui. The one thing you should ask the dealer of the CD's you are buying is whether the dye on the CD is silver on silver. Most Cd's nowadays come with the silver on silver dye on it already, but some less reputable dealers will try to push, or place on sale, Cd's with different colour dyes on it. To ensure that your audio CD's will play on all Cd players, you should purchase silver on silver CD-R's. You can buy CD-RW's, however, once you create the audio CD, you will have to finalize the CD, and it might make the CD-RW unrecordable after the burn process. Just so you know, CD-RW's are CD's that you can write to over and over again, just like a floppy disk. The only trick is that you must create data CD's when burning files to a CD-RW. On the other hand, Cd-R's are CD's that you can only burn once, or several times, depending on whether you close the CD or not. Closing may also be referred to as finalizing the CD, it will depend on what term your software uses to describe this process. Once the CD is closed/finalized, you can no longer burn any other files onto it's surface, so you must make sure that all the files you burn onto the Cd are there. With a data Cd, you can burn between 700 and 800 megabytes of storage space, which equals a heck of a lot of songs, usually in the range of 150 to 225 tracks. Hope this helps. Victor Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ok. I will. watch for the mailman confirmation thingy. SA&G :> Sarah, I listened to your pod cast and found it very interesting. :> Some of :> it was a little advanced for me because I don't know how to use :> macros, but :> I think that program sounds fantastic. To think you can even fix it :> to :> address an individual by first or last name, as you would normally :> address :> them. I would like to be put on your notification list, but at :> [EMAIL PROTECTED] :> and thanks. :> If you want to reach me by phone and leave a detailed voicemail :> message call 773-572-6206 and hit pound as soon as you hear my voice. :> Linda :> :> Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: :> http://www.blind-computing.com :> Address for the list archives: :> http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ :> To post to this group, send email to :> blind-computing@jaws-users.com :> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to :> [EMAIL PROTECTED] :> For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the :> subject or body of a blank message to: :> [EMAIL PROTECTED] :> Use the following form in order to contact the management team :> http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php :> If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the :> following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sarah, I listened to your pod cast and found it very interesting. Some of it was a little advanced for me because I don't know how to use macros, but I think that program sounds fantastic. To think you can even fix it to address an individual by first or last name, as you would normally address them. I would like to be put on your notification list, but at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and thanks. If you want to reach me by phone and leave a detailed voicemail message call 773-572-6206 and hit pound as soon as you hear my voice. Linda Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Actually that's what we've been saying for 3 days already, still I am glad to hear that the policy is being adopted widely. David Ferrin - Original Message - From: "Christopher Hallsworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "blind-computing @jaws-users.com" Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST Actually, I think it's proper manners, or etiquette, to send the same message separately to more than one list instead of sehdning it to multiple lists at the same time. What do you all think? I've resorted to this method now, and no one's complained yet. Thanks! On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:52:35 -0400, "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was > meant > by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if you > were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the clip > board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new > message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and > write > the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing > and > then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board > and > then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the > jaws > users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the > blind > computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for your > reply. from Mich Verrier. > - Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing > > lists. > > Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad > > etiquette > > on lists as well. > > > > Rick > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > > > ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one message > > and > > go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put > > the > > address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to > > both > > lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. > > That > > is what I do and it seems to work quite fine for me. > > - Original Message - > > From: "Bill Gallik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > > >> OK Gang, > >> > >> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested > >> that > >> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each > >> list > >> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not > >> realize > >> a > >> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: > >> > >> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then > >> copy > >> the entire contents of that text session ( + ) into the > >> clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( + ) into > >> the > >> two separate messages - one for each list. > >> > >> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then > >> using > >> the + (copy all) and + commands to copy the > >> message > >> from one email composition for one list into a second email composition > >> for > >> the second list. > >> > >> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both the > >> Blind > >> Computing and JAWS Users list. > >> > >> > >> Bill Gallik > >> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of > >> all > >> our > >> adversities." > >> - Sophocles > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "blind-computing" > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM > >> Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > >> > >> > >> All, > >> In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the
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Hi Chris, You're getting there! Not only did you say the same thing I said previously,but, you managed to say it twice. Richard Justice www.blind-computing.com - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth To: blind-computing @jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST Actually, I think it's proper manners, or etiquette, to send the same message separately to more than one list instead of sehdning it to multiple lists at the same time. What do you all think? I've resorted to this method now, and no one's complained yet. Thanks! On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:52:35 -0400, "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was > meant > by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if you > were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the clip > board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new > message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and > write > the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing > and > then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board > and > then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the > jaws > users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the > blind > computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for your > reply. from Mich Verrier. > - Original Message - > From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing > > lists. > > Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad etiquette > > on lists as well. > > > > Rick > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > > > ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one message > > and > > go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put the > > address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to both > > lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. That > > is what I do and it seems to work quite fine for me. > > - Original Message - > > From: "Bill Gallik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > > >> OK Gang, > >> > >> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested > >> that > >> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each list > >> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not realize > >> a > >> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: > >> > >> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then > >> copy > >> the entire contents of that text session ( + ) into the > >> clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( + ) into the > >> two separate messages - one for each list. > >> > >> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then > >> using > >> the + (copy all) and + commands to copy the > >> message > >> from one email composition for one list into a second email composition > >> for > >> the second list. > >> > >> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both the > >> Blind > >> Computing and JAWS Users list. > >> > >> > >> Bill Gallik > >> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all > >> our > >> adversities." > >> - Sophocles > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "blind-computing" > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM > >> Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > >> > >> > >> All, > >> In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the > >> management team > >> to take a closer look at general list operation. > >> A couple of items hav
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O yeah that's why I use my tool for OE to do that verything. it seperates all the people I put in the to field in to separate messages. I can see them in my outbox that way nobody knows who else I'm sending it to.. SA&G :> Actually, I think it's proper manners, or etiquette, to send the same :> message separately to more than one list instead of sehdning it to :> multiple lists at the same time. What do you all think? I've :> resorted to :> this method now, and no one's complained yet. Thanks! :> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:52:35 -0400, "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :> said: :>> o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was :>> meant :>> by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What :>> if you were to write one message to one list select the text copy :>> it to the clip board and paste the same message to another list but :>> opening up a new message? say I wanted to write to blind computing :>> and jaws users and write :>> the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind :>> computing and :>> then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip :>> board and :>> then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to :>> the jaws :>> users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to :>> the blind :>> computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for :>> your reply. from Mich Verrier. :>> - Original Message - :>> From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :>> To: :>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM :>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST :>> :>> :>> > That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for :>> > mailing lists. :>> > Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad :>> > etiquette on lists as well. :>> > :>> > Rick :>> > :>> > - Original Message - :>> > From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :>> > To: :>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM :>> > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST :>> > :>> > :>> > ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one :>> > message and :>> > go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and :>> > then put the address of another list in that field and that way :>> > you can send it to both lists with out having to go through all :>> > that work? from Mich Verrier. That is what I do and it seems to :>> > work quite fine for me. - Original Message - :>> > From: "Bill Gallik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :>> > To: :>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM :>> > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST :>> > :>> > :>> >> OK Gang, :>> >> :>> >> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and :>> >> suggested that :>> >> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to :>> >> each list separately. However, it occurred to me that some of :>> >> you may not realize a :>> >> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just :>> >> that: :>> >> :>> >> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question :>> >> and then copy :>> >> the entire contents of that text session ( + ) :>> >> into the clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( :>> >> + ) into the two separate messages - one for each :>> >> list. :>> >> :>> >> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, :>> >> then using :>> >> the + (copy all) and + commands to copy :>> >> the message :>> >> from one email composition for one list into a second email :>> >> composition for :>> >> the second list. :>> >> :>> >> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to :>> >> both the Blind :>> >> Computing and JAWS Users list. :>> >> :>> >> :>> >> Bill Gallik :>> >> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :>> >> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole :>> >> cause of all our :>> >> adversities." :>> >> - Sophocles :>> >> - Original Message - :>> >> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :>> >> To:
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Actually, I think it's proper manners, or etiquette, to send the same message separately to more than one list instead of sehdning it to multiple lists at the same time. What do you all think? I've resorted to this method now, and no one's complained yet. Thanks! On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:52:35 -0400, "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was > meant > by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if you > were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the clip > board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new > message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and > write > the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing > and > then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board > and > then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the > jaws > users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the > blind > computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for your > reply. from Mich Verrier. > - Original Message - > From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing > > lists. > > Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad etiquette > > on lists as well. > > > > Rick > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > > > ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one message > > and > > go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put the > > address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to both > > lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. That > > is what I do and it seems to work quite fine for me. > > - Original Message - > > From: "Bill Gallik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > > >> OK Gang, > >> > >> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested > >> that > >> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each list > >> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not realize > >> a > >> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: > >> > >> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then > >> copy > >> the entire contents of that text session ( + ) into the > >> clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( + ) into the > >> two separate messages - one for each list. > >> > >> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then > >> using > >> the + (copy all) and + commands to copy the > >> message > >> from one email composition for one list into a second email composition > >> for > >> the second list. > >> > >> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both the > >> Blind > >> Computing and JAWS Users list. > >> > >> > >> Bill Gallik > >> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all > >> our > >> adversities." > >> - Sophocles > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "blind-computing" > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM > >> Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > >> > >> > >> All, > >> In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the > >> management team > >> to take a closer look at general list operation. > >> A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team > >> and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. > >> Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since it > >> will > >> be posted to both > >> lists. > >> 1. Cross-posting > >> Recently, it a
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That's a direct download to the thing actually. Just enter on it and it should take you to the download ink to the file. SA&G :> Sara, :> I went to your sight,but couldn't find the pacass. :> PEACE :> John Carvalho :> - Original Message - :> From: "Sarah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :> To: :> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:54 PM :> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST :> :> :>> Or you can do what i do and ue a tool called send personally for :>> outlook express. I reviewed it on my podcast at :>> http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FunFilled/~5/125260871/a_brief_look_at_send_personally_for_OE.mp3 :>> SA&G :>> :> OK Gang, :>> :> :>> :> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and :>> :> suggested that :>> :> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to :>> :> each list :>> :> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not :>> :> realize a :>> :> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just :>> :> that: :>> :> :>> :> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and :>> :> then copy :>> :> the entire contents of that text session ( + ) :>> :> into the clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( :>> :> + ) into the :>> :> two separate messages - one for each list. :>> :> :>> :> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, :>> :> then using :>> :> the + (copy all) and + commands to copy :>> :> the message :>> :> from one email composition for one list into a second email :>> :> composition for :>> :> the second list. :>> :> :>> :> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both :>> :> the Blind :>> :> Computing and JAWS Users list. :>> :> :>> :> -------- :>> :> Bill Gallik :>> :> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :>> :> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole :>> :> cause of all our :>> :> adversities." :>> :> - Sophocles :>> :> - Original Message - :>> :> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :>> :> To: "blind-computing" :>> :> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM :>> :> Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST :>> :> :>> :> :>> :> All, :>> :> In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, :>> :> causing the management team :>> :> to take a closer look at general list operation. :>> :> A couple of items have come to the attention of the management :>> :> team and this applies to both the blind-computing, and :>> :> jaws-users lists. Members that are subscribed to both lists, :>> :> will get this twice since it will :>> :> be posted to both :>> :> lists. :>> :> 1. Cross-posting :>> :> Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the :>> :> list has :>> :> increased. :>> :> We need to bring this method of posting to an end. :>> :> Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list :>> :> etiquet, it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. :>> :> Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the :>> :> part of the :>> :> poster. :>> :> This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message :>> :> rules in their :>> :> e-mail client. :>> :> This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and :>> :> discourteous to :>> :> others. :>> :> Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to :>> :> accomodate those :>> :> who won't take an extra :>> :> minute or so to post in a proper manner. :>> :> Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually :>> :> serves to :>> :> slow the overall :>> :> performance of the list. :>> :> If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it :>> :> should be :>> :> done on an individual :>> :> message basis. :>> :> I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I :>> :> will post the :>> :> same question to :>> :> several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. :>> :> If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, :>> :> then post your question to the list that is most appropriate for :>> :> it. :>> :> If you don't re
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Oh. it's on the show notes page at http://feeds.feedburner.com/funfilled. I usually do not menchen the websites as i can't pronounced them. lol. SA&G :>I did check out your pod cast but I don't recall you mentioning a web :>site :> for this program. Did I just miss it? :> David Ferrin :> - Original Message - :> From: "Sarah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :> To: :> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:45 PM :> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST :> :> :> actualy my method does not involve cross posting. Check out the :> podcast. I :> use it all the time for my weekly anouncement email. :> :> SA&G :> :> :> Just so everybody knows, we've been receiving complaints for :> :> allowing cross :> :> posts for as long as we have too. We were discussing it when the :> :> third party :> :> rumbling started a while back. :> :> David Ferrin :> :> - Original Message - :> :> From: "Sarah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :> :> To: :> :> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:54 PM :> :> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST :> :> :> :> :> :> Or you can do what i do and ue a tool called send personally for :> :> outlook :> :> express. I reviewed it on my podcast at :> :> :> http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FunFilled/~5/125260871/a_brief_look_at_send_personally_for_OE.mp3 :> :> SA&G :> :> :> OK Gang, :> :> :> :> :> :> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and :> :> :> suggested that :> :> :> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to :> :> :> each list :> :> :> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may :> :> :> not realize a :> :> :> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do :> :> :> just that: :> :> :> :> :> :> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question :> :> :> and then copy :> :> :> the entire contents of that text session ( + ) :> :> :> into the clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( :> :> :> + ) into the :> :> :> two separate messages - one for each list. :> :> :> :> :> :> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, :> :> :> then using :> :> :> the + (copy all) and + commands to :> :> :> copy the message :> :> :> from one email composition for one list into a second email :> :> :> composition for :> :> :> the second list. :> :> :> :> :> :> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to :> :> :> both the Blind :> :> :> Computing and JAWS Users list. :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> Bill Gallik :> :> :> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :> :> :> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole :> :> :> cause of all our :> :> :> adversities." :> :> :> - Sophocles :> :> :> - Original Message - :> :> :> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :> :> :> To: "blind-computing" :> :> :> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM :> :> :> Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> All, :> :> :> In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, :> :> :> causing the management team :> :> :> to take a closer look at general list operation. :> :> :> A couple of items have come to the attention of the management :> :> :> team and this applies to both the blind-computing, and :> :> :> jaws-users lists. Members that are subscribed to both lists, :> :> :> will get this twice since it will :> :> :> be posted to both :> :> :> lists. :> :> :> 1. Cross-posting :> :> :> Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the :> :> :> list has :> :> :> increased. :> :> :> We need to bring this method of posting to an end. :> :> :> Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list :> :> :> etiquet, it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it :> :> :> causes. Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness :> :> :> on the part of the :> :> :> poster. :> :> :> This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message :> :> :> rules in their :> :> :> e-mail client. :> :> :> This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and :> :> :> discourteous to :> :> :> others. :> :> :> Members should not have to adjust
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Hi I have a question about cross posting. Most of the time I use the respond to sender when replying to messages but sometimes I happen to use the respond to all. So, could this cause me to be cross posting with out knowing it? Also,, I don't think I have done any thing to offend the list managers but just out of curiosity am I in good standing with the list? God bless, Mark God loves you! My ham radio lists. http://lists.topica.com/lists/funhamradio. http://groups.google.com/group/funhamradio-list My personal website http://funhamradio.bloki.com - Original Message - From: "Lennie Rinaldi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > Thanks David. I got it now! Keep up the good work. > > Lennie > > At 11:00 AM 7/25/2007, you wrote: >>Cross posting refers to the practice of posting the same message at the >>same >>time. An example of this would be sending multiple members of your family >>a >>message all at once and not sending each of them an individual message >>even >>if it is the same exact message. It messes up some people's message rules >>and often is off topic for one or more lists that it is being posted on. >>Another example could be asking on here about window eyes which would be >>perfectly fine but off topic for the JAWS Users list. >>David Ferrin >>- Original Message ----- >>From: "Lennie Rinaldi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: >>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:54 AM >>Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >> >> >>Hi David and Rick, >> >>Uh, I must be a little dense. I think that I misinterpreted what >>cross posting mean. I thought that cross posting meant sending the >>same Email to both list? Can you please set me straight because I >>sent a question a little while ago to blind computing and have not >>received an answer. However, I did not send the same question to Jaws >>User. >> >>Excuse me for not understanding. >> >>Lennie >> >>At 08:56 PM 7/24/2007, you wrote: >> >hi well yes that ist rue. well I will do my best to not cross post then. >> >smile. >> >- Original Message - >> >From: "Ricque" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >To: >> >Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:57 PM >> >Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >> > >> > >> > > Hi Mich, >> > > Consider this: >> > > The easiest way, isn't always the best way, or even the right way. >> > > Just the same as the best price, isn't necessarily the lowest price. >> > > As far as, to each his own, that will not apply to both of these >> > > lists >> > > with regard to cross-posting. >> > > Sometimes, you just gotta change with the times. smile >> > > Richard Justice >> > > www.blind-computing.com >> > > - Original Message - >> > > From: Mich >> > > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com >> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:35 PM >> > > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >> > > >> > > >> > > ah ok. well I can sertenley understand that it would be a good way to >> > > do >> > > it >> > > but on the other hand I can also understand how cross posting would >> > > be a >> > > little easier for a lot of people. Even though it is not good edickit >> > > and >> > > all that I can sertenley see how it could be a lot easier then doing >> > > it >> > > the >> > > other way but to each there own. well many thanks as always rick for >> > > clearing up things. from Mich Verrier. >> > > - Original Message - >> > > From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > To: >> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:04 PM >> > > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >> > > >> > > >> > >> That is the way to do it, it takes a few extra seconds and most >> > >> people >> > >> just >> > >> refuse to do it because it's not convenient for them. >> > >> >> > >> Rick >> > >> >> > >> - Original Message - >> > >> From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> To: >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:52 PM >> > >> Subject:
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Thanks David. I got it now! Keep up the good work. Lennie At 11:00 AM 7/25/2007, you wrote: >Cross posting refers to the practice of posting the same message at the same >time. An example of this would be sending multiple members of your family a >message all at once and not sending each of them an individual message even >if it is the same exact message. It messes up some people's message rules >and often is off topic for one or more lists that it is being posted on. >Another example could be asking on here about window eyes which would be >perfectly fine but off topic for the JAWS Users list. >David Ferrin >- Original Message - >From: "Lennie Rinaldi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:54 AM >Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > >Hi David and Rick, > >Uh, I must be a little dense. I think that I misinterpreted what >cross posting mean. I thought that cross posting meant sending the >same Email to both list? Can you please set me straight because I >sent a question a little while ago to blind computing and have not >received an answer. However, I did not send the same question to Jaws User. > >Excuse me for not understanding. > >Lennie > >At 08:56 PM 7/24/2007, you wrote: > >hi well yes that ist rue. well I will do my best to not cross post then. > >smile. > >- Original Message ----- > >From: "Ricque" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:57 PM > >Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > > > > Hi Mich, > > > Consider this: > > > The easiest way, isn't always the best way, or even the right way. > > > Just the same as the best price, isn't necessarily the lowest price. > > > As far as, to each his own, that will not apply to both of these lists > > > with regard to cross-posting. > > > Sometimes, you just gotta change with the times. smile > > > Richard Justice > > > www.blind-computing.com > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Mich > > > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:35 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > > > > > > ah ok. well I can sertenley understand that it would be a good way to do > > > it > > > but on the other hand I can also understand how cross posting would be a > > > little easier for a lot of people. Even though it is not good edickit > > > and > > > all that I can sertenley see how it could be a lot easier then doing it > > > the > > > other way but to each there own. well many thanks as always rick for > > > clearing up things. from Mich Verrier. > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > > > > > >> That is the way to do it, it takes a few extra seconds and most people > > >> just > > >> refuse to do it because it's not convenient for them. > > >> > > >> Rick > > >> > > >> - Original Message - > > >> From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: > > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:52 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > >> > > >> > > >> o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was > > >> meant > > >> by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if > > >> you > > >> were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the > > >> clip > > >> board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new > > >> message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and > > >> write > > >> the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing > > >> and > > >> then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board > > >> and > > >> then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the > > >> jaws > > >> users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the > > >> blind > > >> computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for > > >> your > > >> reply. from Mich Verrier. > > &g
Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST
Cross posting refers to the practice of posting the same message at the same time. An example of this would be sending multiple members of your family a message all at once and not sending each of them an individual message even if it is the same exact message. It messes up some people's message rules and often is off topic for one or more lists that it is being posted on. Another example could be asking on here about window eyes which would be perfectly fine but off topic for the JAWS Users list. David Ferrin - Original Message - From: "Lennie Rinaldi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST Hi David and Rick, Uh, I must be a little dense. I think that I misinterpreted what cross posting mean. I thought that cross posting meant sending the same Email to both list? Can you please set me straight because I sent a question a little while ago to blind computing and have not received an answer. However, I did not send the same question to Jaws User. Excuse me for not understanding. Lennie At 08:56 PM 7/24/2007, you wrote: >hi well yes that ist rue. well I will do my best to not cross post then. >smile. >- Original Message - >From: "Ricque" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:57 PM >Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > Hi Mich, > > Consider this: > > The easiest way, isn't always the best way, or even the right way. > > Just the same as the best price, isn't necessarily the lowest price. > > As far as, to each his own, that will not apply to both of these lists > > with regard to cross-posting. > > Sometimes, you just gotta change with the times. smile > > Richard Justice > > www.blind-computing.com > > - Original Message ----- > > From: Mich > > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > > > ah ok. well I can sertenley understand that it would be a good way to do > > it > > but on the other hand I can also understand how cross posting would be a > > little easier for a lot of people. Even though it is not good edickit > > and > > all that I can sertenley see how it could be a lot easier then doing it > > the > > other way but to each there own. well many thanks as always rick for > > clearing up things. from Mich Verrier. > > - Original Message - > > From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > > >> That is the way to do it, it takes a few extra seconds and most people > >> just > >> refuse to do it because it's not convenient for them. > >> > >> Rick > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:52 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > >> > >> > >> o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was > >> meant > >> by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if > >> you > >> were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the > >> clip > >> board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new > >> message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and > >> write > >> the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing > >> and > >> then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board > >> and > >> then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the > >> jaws > >> users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the > >> blind > >> computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for > >> your > >> reply. from Mich Verrier. > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > >> > >> > >>> That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing > >>> lists. > >>> Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad > >>> etiquette > >>> on lists as well. > >>> > >>> Rick &g
Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST
Hi David and Rick, Uh, I must be a little dense. I think that I misinterpreted what cross posting mean. I thought that cross posting meant sending the same Email to both list? Can you please set me straight because I sent a question a little while ago to blind computing and have not received an answer. However, I did not send the same question to Jaws User. Excuse me for not understanding. Lennie At 08:56 PM 7/24/2007, you wrote: >hi well yes that ist rue. well I will do my best to not cross post then. >smile. >- Original Message - >From: "Ricque" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:57 PM >Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > Hi Mich, > > Consider this: > > The easiest way, isn't always the best way, or even the right way. > > Just the same as the best price, isn't necessarily the lowest price. > > As far as, to each his own, that will not apply to both of these lists > > with regard to cross-posting. > > Sometimes, you just gotta change with the times. smile > > Richard Justice > > www.blind-computing.com > > - Original Message - > > From: Mich > > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > > > ah ok. well I can sertenley understand that it would be a good way to do > > it > > but on the other hand I can also understand how cross posting would be a > > little easier for a lot of people. Even though it is not good edickit and > > all that I can sertenley see how it could be a lot easier then doing it > > the > > other way but to each there own. well many thanks as always rick for > > clearing up things. from Mich Verrier. > > - Original Message - > > From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > > >> That is the way to do it, it takes a few extra seconds and most people > >> just > >> refuse to do it because it's not convenient for them. > >> > >> Rick > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:52 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > >> > >> > >> o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was > >> meant > >> by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if you > >> were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the clip > >> board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new > >> message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and > >> write > >> the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing > >> and > >> then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board > >> and > >> then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the > >> jaws > >> users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the > >> blind > >> computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for your > >> reply. from Mich Verrier. > >> - Original Message ----- > >> From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > >> > >> > >>> That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing > >>> lists. > >>> Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad > >>> etiquette > >>> on lists as well. > >>> > >>> Rick > >>> > >>> - Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: > >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > >>> > >>> > >>> ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one message > >>> and > >>> go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put > >>> the > >>> address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to > >>> both > >>> lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. > >>> That > >&
Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST
Sara, I went to your sight,but couldn't find the pacass. PEACE John Carvalho - Original Message - From: "Sarah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > Or you can do what i do and ue a tool called send personally for outlook > express. I reviewed it on my podcast at > http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FunFilled/~5/125260871/a_brief_look_at_send_personally_for_OE.mp3 > SA&G > :> OK Gang, > :> > :> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and > :> suggested that > :> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each > :> list > :> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not > :> realize a > :> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just > :> that: > :> > :> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and > :> then copy > :> the entire contents of that text session ( + ) into the > :> clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( + ) > :> into the > :> two separate messages - one for each list. > :> > :> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then > :> using > :> the + (copy all) and + commands to copy the > :> message > :> from one email composition for one list into a second email > :> composition for > :> the second list. > :> > :> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both > :> the Blind > :> Computing and JAWS Users list. > :> > :> > :> Bill Gallik > :> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > :> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of > :> all our > :> adversities." > :> - Sophocles > :> - Original Message - > :> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > :> To: "blind-computing" > :> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM > :> Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > :> > :> > :> All, > :> In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the > :> management team > :> to take a closer look at general list operation. > :> A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team > :> and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. > :> Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since > :> it will > :> be posted to both > :> lists. > :> 1. Cross-posting > :> Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list > :> has > :> increased. > :> We need to bring this method of posting to an end. > :> Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, > :> it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. > :> Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part > :> of the > :> poster. > :> This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules > :> in their > :> e-mail client. > :> This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and > :> discourteous to > :> others. > :> Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to > :> accomodate those > :> who won't take an extra > :> minute or so to post in a proper manner. > :> Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually > :> serves to > :> slow the overall > :> performance of the list. > :> If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it > :> should be > :> done on an individual > :> message basis. > :> I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will > :> post the > :> same question to > :> several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. > :> If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then > :> post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. > :> If you don't recieve an answer, then you can > :> figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: > :> Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the person > :> that has > :> an answer hasn't read > :> the message yet. > :> If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for example > :> jaws-users.com, > :> Then post your question to a more generalized list such as > :> blind-computing.com. > :> There is a list of e-mail lists on the resources page at: > :> www.blind-computing.com > :> that includes links to other pages that contain additional e-mail > :> list > :> informati
Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST
I did check out your pod cast but I don't recall you mentioning a web site for this program. Did I just miss it? David Ferrin - Original Message - From: "Sarah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST actualy my method does not involve cross posting. Check out the podcast. I use it all the time for my weekly anouncement email. SA&G :> Just so everybody knows, we've been receiving complaints for :> allowing cross :> posts for as long as we have too. We were discussing it when the :> third party :> rumbling started a while back. :> David Ferrin :> - Original Message - :> From: "Sarah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :> To: :> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:54 PM :> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST :> :> :> Or you can do what i do and ue a tool called send personally for :> outlook :> express. I reviewed it on my podcast at :> http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FunFilled/~5/125260871/a_brief_look_at_send_personally_for_OE.mp3 :> SA&G :> :> OK Gang, :> :> :> :> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and :> :> suggested that :> :> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to :> :> each list :> :> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not :> :> realize a :> :> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just :> :> that: :> :> :> :> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and :> :> then copy :> :> the entire contents of that text session ( + ) into :> :> the clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( + :> :> ) into the :> :> two separate messages - one for each list. :> :> :> :> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, :> :> then using :> :> the + (copy all) and + commands to copy :> :> the message :> :> from one email composition for one list into a second email :> :> composition for :> :> the second list. :> :> :> :> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both :> :> the Blind :> :> Computing and JAWS Users list. :> :> :> :> :> :> Bill Gallik :> :> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :> :> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause :> :> of all our :> :> adversities." :> :> - Sophocles :> :> - Original Message - :> :> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :> :> To: "blind-computing" :> :> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM :> :> Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST :> :> :> :> :> :> All, :> :> In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing :> :> the management team :> :> to take a closer look at general list operation. :> :> A couple of items have come to the attention of the management :> :> team and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users :> :> lists. Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this :> :> twice since it will :> :> be posted to both :> :> lists. :> :> 1. Cross-posting :> :> Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list :> :> has :> :> increased. :> :> We need to bring this method of posting to an end. :> :> Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list :> :> etiquet, it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. :> :> Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part :> :> of the :> :> poster. :> :> This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules :> :> in their :> :> e-mail client. :> :> This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and :> :> discourteous to :> :> others. :> :> Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to :> :> accomodate those :> :> who won't take an extra :> :> minute or so to post in a proper manner. :> :> Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually :> :> serves to :> :> slow the overall :> :> performance of the list. :> :> If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it :> :> should be :> :> done on an individual :> :> message basis. :> :> I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I :> :> will post the :> :> same question to :> :> several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. :> :> If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then :> :> post your question to the list that i
Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST
actualy my method does not involve cross posting. Check out the podcast. I use it all the time for my weekly anouncement email. SA&G :> Just so everybody knows, we've been receiving complaints for :> allowing cross :> posts for as long as we have too. We were discussing it when the :> third party :> rumbling started a while back. :> David Ferrin :> - Original Message - :> From: "Sarah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :> To: :> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:54 PM :> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST :> :> :> Or you can do what i do and ue a tool called send personally for :> outlook :> express. I reviewed it on my podcast at :> http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FunFilled/~5/125260871/a_brief_look_at_send_personally_for_OE.mp3 :> SA&G :> :> OK Gang, :> :> :> :> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and :> :> suggested that :> :> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to :> :> each list :> :> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not :> :> realize a :> :> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just :> :> that: :> :> :> :> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and :> :> then copy :> :> the entire contents of that text session ( + ) into :> :> the clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( + :> :> ) into the :> :> two separate messages - one for each list. :> :> :> :> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, :> :> then using :> :> the + (copy all) and + commands to copy :> :> the message :> :> from one email composition for one list into a second email :> :> composition for :> :> the second list. :> :> :> :> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both :> :> the Blind :> :> Computing and JAWS Users list. :> :> :> :> :> :> Bill Gallik :> :> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :> :> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause :> :> of all our :> :> adversities." :> :> - Sophocles :> :> - Original Message - :> :> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :> :> To: "blind-computing" :> :> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM :> :> Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST :> :> :> :> :> :> All, :> :> In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing :> :> the management team :> :> to take a closer look at general list operation. :> :> A couple of items have come to the attention of the management :> :> team and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users :> :> lists. Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this :> :> twice since it will :> :> be posted to both :> :> lists. :> :> 1. Cross-posting :> :> Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list :> :> has :> :> increased. :> :> We need to bring this method of posting to an end. :> :> Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list :> :> etiquet, it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. :> :> Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part :> :> of the :> :> poster. :> :> This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules :> :> in their :> :> e-mail client. :> :> This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and :> :> discourteous to :> :> others. :> :> Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to :> :> accomodate those :> :> who won't take an extra :> :> minute or so to post in a proper manner. :> :> Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually :> :> serves to :> :> slow the overall :> :> performance of the list. :> :> If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it :> :> should be :> :> done on an individual :> :> message basis. :> :> I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I :> :> will post the :> :> same question to :> :> several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. :> :> If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then :> :> post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. :> :> If you don't recieve an answer, then you can :> :> figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: :> :> Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the :> :> person that has :> :> an answer hasn't read :> :> the message
Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST
hi well yes that ist rue. well I will do my best to not cross post then. smile. - Original Message - From: "Ricque" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > Hi Mich, > Consider this: > The easiest way, isn't always the best way, or even the right way. > Just the same as the best price, isn't necessarily the lowest price. > As far as, to each his own, that will not apply to both of these lists > with regard to cross-posting. > Sometimes, you just gotta change with the times. smile > Richard Justice > www.blind-computing.com > - Original Message - > From: Mich > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > ah ok. well I can sertenley understand that it would be a good way to do > it > but on the other hand I can also understand how cross posting would be a > little easier for a lot of people. Even though it is not good edickit and > all that I can sertenley see how it could be a lot easier then doing it > the > other way but to each there own. well many thanks as always rick for > clearing up things. from Mich Verrier. > - Original Message - > From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > >> That is the way to do it, it takes a few extra seconds and most people >> just >> refuse to do it because it's not convenient for them. >> >> Rick >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >> >> >> o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was >> meant >> by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if you >> were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the clip >> board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new >> message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and >> write >> the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing >> and >> then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board >> and >> then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the >> jaws >> users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the >> blind >> computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for your >> reply. from Mich Verrier. >> - Original Message - >> From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >> >> >>> That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing >>> lists. >>> Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad >>> etiquette >>> on lists as well. >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >>> >>> >>> ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one message >>> and >>> go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put >>> the >>> address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to >>> both >>> lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. >>> That >>> is what I do and it seems to work quite fine for me. >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Bill Gallik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >>> >>> >>>> OK Gang, >>>> >>>> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested >>>> that >>>> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each >>>> list >>>> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not >>>> realize >>>> a >>>> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: >>>> >>>> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then >&g
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Hi Mich, Consider this: The easiest way, isn't always the best way, or even the right way. Just the same as the best price, isn't necessarily the lowest price. As far as, to each his own, that will not apply to both of these lists with regard to cross-posting. Sometimes, you just gotta change with the times. smile Richard Justice www.blind-computing.com - Original Message - From: Mich To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST ah ok. well I can sertenley understand that it would be a good way to do it but on the other hand I can also understand how cross posting would be a little easier for a lot of people. Even though it is not good edickit and all that I can sertenley see how it could be a lot easier then doing it the other way but to each there own. well many thanks as always rick for clearing up things. from Mich Verrier. - Original Message - From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > That is the way to do it, it takes a few extra seconds and most people > just > refuse to do it because it's not convenient for them. > > Rick > > - Original Message - > From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was meant > by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if you > were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the clip > board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new > message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and write > the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing > and > then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board > and > then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the jaws > users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the > blind > computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for your > reply. from Mich Verrier. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > >> That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing >> lists. >> Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad >> etiquette >> on lists as well. >> >> Rick >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >> >> >> ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one message >> and >> go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put >> the >> address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to >> both >> lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. >> That >> is what I do and it seems to work quite fine for me. >> - Original Message - >> From: "Bill Gallik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >> >> >>> OK Gang, >>> >>> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested >>> that >>> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each list >>> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not realize >>> a >>> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: >>> >>> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then >>> copy >>> the entire contents of that text session ( + ) into the >>> clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( + ) into >>> the >>> two separate messages - one for each list. >>> >>> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then >>> using >>> the + (copy all) and + commands to copy the >>> message >>> from one email composition for one list into a second email composition >>> for >>> the second list. >>> >>> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both the >>> Blind >>> Computing and JAWS Users list. >>> >>> >>> Bill
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Just so everybody knows, we've been receiving complaints for allowing cross posts for as long as we have too. We were discussing it when the third party rumbling started a while back. David Ferrin - Original Message - From: "Sarah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST Or you can do what i do and ue a tool called send personally for outlook express. I reviewed it on my podcast at http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FunFilled/~5/125260871/a_brief_look_at_send_personally_for_OE.mp3 SA&G :> OK Gang, :> :> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and :> suggested that :> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each :> list :> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not :> realize a :> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just :> that: :> :> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and :> then copy :> the entire contents of that text session ( + ) into the :> clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( + ) :> into the :> two separate messages - one for each list. :> :> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then :> using :> the + (copy all) and + commands to copy the :> message :> from one email composition for one list into a second email :> composition for :> the second list. :> :> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both :> the Blind :> Computing and JAWS Users list. :> :> :> Bill Gallik :> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of :> all our :> adversities." :> - Sophocles :> - Original Message - :> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :> To: "blind-computing" :> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM :> Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST :> :> :> All, :> In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the :> management team :> to take a closer look at general list operation. :> A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team :> and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. :> Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since :> it will :> be posted to both :> lists. :> 1. Cross-posting :> Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list :> has :> increased. :> We need to bring this method of posting to an end. :> Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, :> it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. :> Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part :> of the :> poster. :> This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules :> in their :> e-mail client. :> This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and :> discourteous to :> others. :> Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to :> accomodate those :> who won't take an extra :> minute or so to post in a proper manner. :> Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually :> serves to :> slow the overall :> performance of the list. :> If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it :> should be :> done on an individual :> message basis. :> I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will :> post the :> same question to :> several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. :> If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then :> post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. :> If you don't recieve an answer, then you can :> figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: :> Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the person :> that has :> an answer hasn't read :> the message yet. :> If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for example :> jaws-users.com, :> Then post your question to a more generalized list such as :> blind-computing.com. :> There is a list of e-mail lists on the resources page at: :> www.blind-computing.com :> that includes links to other pages that contain additional e-mail :> list :> information. :> Also, just like placing o/t in the subject field doesn't make it :> okay to :> post the message, :> saying I apologize, or sorry for the cross-posting doesn't excuse the :> action. :> Placing this statement in the message says that the poster has only :> one :> consideration, and that is :> themselves. :> Don't perform the action, and you won't have to apolog
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Hi Sarah, Thanks for the info, I'll go have listen. Richard Justice www.blind-computing.com - Original Message - From: Sarah To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST Or you can do what i do and ue a tool called send personally for outlook express. I reviewed it on my podcast at http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FunFilled/~5/125260871/a_brief_look_at_send_personally_for_OE.mp3 SA&G :> OK Gang, :> :> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and :> suggested that :> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each :> list :> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not :> realize a :> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just :> that: :> :> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and :> then copy :> the entire contents of that text session ( + ) into the :> clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( + ) :> into the :> two separate messages - one for each list. :> :> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then :> using :> the + (copy all) and + commands to copy the :> message :> from one email composition for one list into a second email :> composition for :> the second list. :> :> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both :> the Blind :> Computing and JAWS Users list. :> :> :> Bill Gallik :> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of :> all our :> adversities." :> - Sophocles :> - Original Message - :> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :> To: "blind-computing" :> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM :> Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST :> :> :> All, :> In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the :> management team :> to take a closer look at general list operation. :> A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team :> and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. :> Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since :> it will :> be posted to both :> lists. :> 1. Cross-posting :> Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list :> has :> increased. :> We need to bring this method of posting to an end. :> Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, :> it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. :> Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part :> of the :> poster. :> This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules :> in their :> e-mail client. :> This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and :> discourteous to :> others. :> Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to :> accomodate those :> who won't take an extra :> minute or so to post in a proper manner. :> Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually :> serves to :> slow the overall :> performance of the list. :> If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it :> should be :> done on an individual :> message basis. :> I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will :> post the :> same question to :> several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. :> If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then :> post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. :> If you don't recieve an answer, then you can :> figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: :> Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the person :> that has :> an answer hasn't read :> the message yet. :> If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for example :> jaws-users.com, :> Then post your question to a more generalized list such as :> blind-computing.com. :> There is a list of e-mail lists on the resources page at: :> www.blind-computing.com :> that includes links to other pages that contain additional e-mail :> list :> information. :> Also, just like placing o/t in the subject field doesn't make it :> okay to :> post the message, :> saying I apologize, or sorry for the cross-posting doesn't excuse the :> action. :> Placing this statement in the message says that the poster has only :> one :> consideration, and that is :> themselves. :> Don't perform the action, and you won't have to apologize for it. :> For those in an employment situation, I can understand your sense of :> urgency :> for an
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Or you can do what i do and ue a tool called send personally for outlook express. I reviewed it on my podcast at http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FunFilled/~5/125260871/a_brief_look_at_send_personally_for_OE.mp3 SA&G :> OK Gang, :> :> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and :> suggested that :> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each :> list :> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not :> realize a :> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just :> that: :> :> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and :> then copy :> the entire contents of that text session ( + ) into the :> clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( + ) :> into the :> two separate messages - one for each list. :> :> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then :> using :> the + (copy all) and + commands to copy the :> message :> from one email composition for one list into a second email :> composition for :> the second list. :> :> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both :> the Blind :> Computing and JAWS Users list. :> :> :> Bill Gallik :> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of :> all our :> adversities." :> - Sophocles :> - Original Message ----- :> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :> To: "blind-computing" :> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM :> Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST :> :> :> All, :> In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the :> management team :> to take a closer look at general list operation. :> A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team :> and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. :> Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since :> it will :> be posted to both :> lists. :> 1. Cross-posting :> Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list :> has :> increased. :> We need to bring this method of posting to an end. :> Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, :> it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. :> Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part :> of the :> poster. :> This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules :> in their :> e-mail client. :> This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and :> discourteous to :> others. :> Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to :> accomodate those :> who won't take an extra :> minute or so to post in a proper manner. :> Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually :> serves to :> slow the overall :> performance of the list. :> If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it :> should be :> done on an individual :> message basis. :> I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will :> post the :> same question to :> several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. :> If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then :> post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. :> If you don't recieve an answer, then you can :> figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: :> Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the person :> that has :> an answer hasn't read :> the message yet. :> If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for example :> jaws-users.com, :> Then post your question to a more generalized list such as :> blind-computing.com. :> There is a list of e-mail lists on the resources page at: :> www.blind-computing.com :> that includes links to other pages that contain additional e-mail :> list :> information. :> Also, just like placing o/t in the subject field doesn't make it :> okay to :> post the message, :> saying I apologize, or sorry for the cross-posting doesn't excuse the :> action. :> Placing this statement in the message says that the poster has only :> one :> consideration, and that is :> themselves. :> Don't perform the action, and you won't have to apologize for it. :> For those in an employment situation, I can understand your sense of :> urgency :> for an answer to a :> problem, :> but you get what you pay for, and if you expect a quick answer to :> your :> question, you should be :> getting tech support on a pay-for basis, where you can have more of :> a say in :> how your request is :>
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ah ok. well I can sertenley understand that it would be a good way to do it but on the other hand I can also understand how cross posting would be a little easier for a lot of people. Even though it is not good edickit and all that I can sertenley see how it could be a lot easier then doing it the other way but to each there own. well many thanks as always rick for clearing up things. from Mich Verrier. - Original Message - From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > That is the way to do it, it takes a few extra seconds and most people > just > refuse to do it because it's not convenient for them. > > Rick > > - Original Message - > From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was meant > by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if you > were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the clip > board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new > message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and write > the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing > and > then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board > and > then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the jaws > users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the > blind > computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for your > reply. from Mich Verrier. > - Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > >> That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing >> lists. >> Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad >> etiquette >> on lists as well. >> >> Rick >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >> >> >> ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one message >> and >> go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put >> the >> address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to >> both >> lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. >> That >> is what I do and it seems to work quite fine for me. >> - Original Message - >> From: "Bill Gallik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >> >> >>> OK Gang, >>> >>> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested >>> that >>> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each list >>> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not realize >>> a >>> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: >>> >>> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then >>> copy >>> the entire contents of that text session ( + ) into the >>> clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( + ) into >>> the >>> two separate messages - one for each list. >>> >>> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then >>> using >>> the + (copy all) and + commands to copy the >>> message >>> from one email composition for one list into a second email composition >>> for >>> the second list. >>> >>> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both the >>> Blind >>> Computing and JAWS Users list. >>> >>> >>> Bill Gallik >>> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all >>> our >>> adversities." >>> - Sophocles >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "blind-computing" >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM >>> Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >>> >>> >>> A
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Hi Bill, Thanks for sharing the tip. Richard Justice www.blind-computing.com - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST OK Gang, Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested that we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each list separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not realize a convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then copy the entire contents of that text session ( + ) into the clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( + ) into the two separate messages - one for each list. 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then using the + (copy all) and + commands to copy the message from one email composition for one list into a second email composition for the second list. Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both the Blind Computing and JAWS Users list. Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities." - Sophocles - Original Message - From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "blind-computing" Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST All, In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the management team to take a closer look at general list operation. A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since it will be posted to both lists. 1. Cross-posting Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list has increased. We need to bring this method of posting to an end. Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part of the poster. This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules in their e-mail client. This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and discourteous to others. Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to accomodate those who won't take an extra minute or so to post in a proper manner. Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually serves to slow the overall performance of the list. If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it should be done on an individual message basis. I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will post the same question to several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. If you don't recieve an answer, then you can figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the person that has an answer hasn't read the message yet. If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for example jaws-users.com, Then post your question to a more generalized list such as blind-computing.com. There is a list of e-mail lists on the resources page at: www.blind-computing.com that includes links to other pages that contain additional e-mail list information. Also, just like placing o/t in the subject field doesn't make it okay to post the message, saying I apologize, or sorry for the cross-posting doesn't excuse the action. Placing this statement in the message says that the poster has only one consideration, and that is themselves. Don't perform the action, and you won't have to apologize for it. For those in an employment situation, I can understand your sense of urgency for an answer to a problem, but you get what you pay for, and if you expect a quick answer to your question, you should be getting tech support on a pay-for basis, where you can have more of a say in how your request is handled. Let's remenmber that e-mail lists are comprised of people of all computing skills, and that noone here is getting paid for the assistance they offer. If you are not in an employment situation, and your questions are aimed at personal computing, then, there should be less of a sense of urgency. Everyone on the list does their best to respond in a timely mmanner. So, we all need to be patient. Keep in mind, that this doesn't mean one type of user is more deserving of help than another. David and I will work on the appropriate wording for this , and it will be added to the list guidelines, at the earliest possible time. 2. File Requests. Recently, we have had some excellent contributi
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I would think that's the same. If it was me,I would send it to one list for about 1 or 2 days,then with that time more people would have read the message & have enough time to send a reply. But that's me. PEACE John Carvalho - Original Message - From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was meant > by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if you > were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the clip > board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new > message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and write > the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing > and > then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board > and > then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the jaws > users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the > blind > computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for your > reply. from Mich Verrier. > - Original Message - > From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > >> That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing >> lists. >> Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad >> etiquette >> on lists as well. >> >> Rick >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >> >> >> ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one message >> and >> go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put >> the >> address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to >> both >> lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. >> That >> is what I do and it seems to work quite fine for me. >> - Original Message - >> From: "Bill Gallik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >> >> >>> OK Gang, >>> >>> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested >>> that >>> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each list >>> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not realize >>> a >>> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: >>> >>> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then >>> copy >>> the entire contents of that text session ( + ) into the >>> clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( + ) into >>> the >>> two separate messages - one for each list. >>> >>> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then >>> using >>> the + (copy all) and + commands to copy the >>> message >>> from one email composition for one list into a second email composition >>> for >>> the second list. >>> >>> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both the >>> Blind >>> Computing and JAWS Users list. >>> >>> >>> Bill Gallik >>> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all >>> our >>> adversities." >>> - Sophocles >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "blind-computing" >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM >>> Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >>> >>> >>> All, >>> In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the >>> management team >>> to take a closer look at general list operation. >>> A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team >>> and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. >>> Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since it >>> will >>> be posted to both >>> lists. >>> 1. Cross-posting >>> Recently, it app
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That is the way to do it, it takes a few extra seconds and most people just refuse to do it because it's not convenient for them. Rick - Original Message - From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was meant by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if you were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the clip board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and write the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing and then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board and then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the jaws users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the blind computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for your reply. from Mich Verrier. - Original Message - From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing > lists. > Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad etiquette > on lists as well. > > Rick > > - Original Message - > From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one message > and > go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put the > address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to both > lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. That > is what I do and it seems to work quite fine for me. > - Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Gallik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > >> OK Gang, >> >> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested >> that >> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each list >> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not realize >> a >> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: >> >> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then >> copy >> the entire contents of that text session ( + ) into the >> clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( + ) into the >> two separate messages - one for each list. >> >> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then >> using >> the + (copy all) and + commands to copy the >> message >> from one email composition for one list into a second email composition >> for >> the second list. >> >> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both the >> Blind >> Computing and JAWS Users list. >> >> -------- >> Bill Gallik >> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all >> our >> adversities." >> - Sophocles >> - Original Message - >> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "blind-computing" >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM >> Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >> >> >> All, >> In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the >> management team >> to take a closer look at general list operation. >> A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team >> and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. >> Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since it >> will >> be posted to both >> lists. >> 1. Cross-posting >> Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list has >> increased. >> We need to bring this method of posting to an end. >> Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, >> it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. >> Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part of the >> poster. >> This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules in >> their >> e-mail client. >> This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and discourte
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o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was meant by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if you were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the clip board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and write the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing and then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board and then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the jaws users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the blind computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for your reply. from Mich Verrier. - Original Message - From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing > lists. > Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad etiquette > on lists as well. > > Rick > > - Original Message - > From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one message > and > go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put the > address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to both > lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. That > is what I do and it seems to work quite fine for me. > - Original Message - > From: "Bill Gallik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > >> OK Gang, >> >> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested >> that >> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each list >> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not realize >> a >> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: >> >> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then >> copy >> the entire contents of that text session ( + ) into the >> clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( + ) into the >> two separate messages - one for each list. >> >> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then >> using >> the + (copy all) and + commands to copy the >> message >> from one email composition for one list into a second email composition >> for >> the second list. >> >> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both the >> Blind >> Computing and JAWS Users list. >> >> >> Bill Gallik >> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all >> our >> adversities." >> - Sophocles >> - Original Message - >> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "blind-computing" >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM >> Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST >> >> >> All, >> In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the >> management team >> to take a closer look at general list operation. >> A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team >> and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. >> Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since it >> will >> be posted to both >> lists. >> 1. Cross-posting >> Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list has >> increased. >> We need to bring this method of posting to an end. >> Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, >> it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. >> Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part of the >> poster. >> This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules in >> their >> e-mail client. >> This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and discourteous to >> others. >> Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to accomodate >> those >> who won't take an extra >> minute or so to post in a proper manner. >> Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually serves >>
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What that particular method does is mess up those folks who have their rules setup to go by the to field because no matter how many lists are included it always seems to default to the first list mentioned. Also like Rick said it's not good etiquette. David Ferrin - Original Message - From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one message and go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put the address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to both lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. That is what I do and it seems to work quite fine for me. - Original Message - From: "Bill Gallik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > OK Gang, > > Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested > that > we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each list > separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not realize a > convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: > > 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then > copy > the entire contents of that text session ( + ) into the > clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( + ) into the > two separate messages - one for each list. > > 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then using > the + (copy all) and + commands to copy the > message > from one email composition for one list into a second email composition > for > the second list. > > Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both the > Blind > Computing and JAWS Users list. > > > Bill Gallik > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all > our > adversities." > - Sophocles > - Original Message - > From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "blind-computing" > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM > Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > All, > In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the > management team > to take a closer look at general list operation. > A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team > and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. > Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since it > will > be posted to both > lists. > 1. Cross-posting > Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list has > increased. > We need to bring this method of posting to an end. > Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, > it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. > Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part of the > poster. > This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules in > their > e-mail client. > This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and discourteous to > others. > Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to accomodate > those > who won't take an extra > minute or so to post in a proper manner. > Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually serves > to > slow the overall > performance of the list. > If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it should be > done on an individual > message basis. > I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will post > the > same question to > several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. > If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then > post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. > If you don't recieve an answer, then you can > figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: > Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the person that > has > an answer hasn't read > the message yet. > If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for example > jaws-users.com, > Then post your question to a more generalized list such as > blind-computing.com. > There is a list of e-mail lists on the resources page at: > www.blind-computing.com > that includes links to other pages that contain additional e-mail list > information. > Also, just like placing o/t in the subject field doesn't make it okay to > post the message, > saying I apologize, or sorry for the cross-posting doesn't excuse the &
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That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing lists. Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad etiquette on lists as well. Rick - Original Message - From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one message and go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put the address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to both lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. That is what I do and it seems to work quite fine for me. - Original Message - From: "Bill Gallik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > OK Gang, > > Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested > that > we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each list > separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not realize a > convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: > > 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then > copy > the entire contents of that text session ( + ) into the > clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( + ) into the > two separate messages - one for each list. > > 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then using > the + (copy all) and + commands to copy the > message > from one email composition for one list into a second email composition > for > the second list. > > Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both the > Blind > Computing and JAWS Users list. > > > Bill Gallik > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all > our > adversities." > - Sophocles > - Original Message - > From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "blind-computing" > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM > Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > All, > In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the > management team > to take a closer look at general list operation. > A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team > and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. > Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since it > will > be posted to both > lists. > 1. Cross-posting > Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list has > increased. > We need to bring this method of posting to an end. > Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, > it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. > Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part of the > poster. > This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules in > their > e-mail client. > This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and discourteous to > others. > Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to accomodate > those > who won't take an extra > minute or so to post in a proper manner. > Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually serves > to > slow the overall > performance of the list. > If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it should be > done on an individual > message basis. > I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will post > the > same question to > several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. > If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then > post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. > If you don't recieve an answer, then you can > figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: > Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the person that > has > an answer hasn't read > the message yet. > If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for example > jaws-users.com, > Then post your question to a more generalized list such as > blind-computing.com. > There is a list of e-mail lists on the resources page at: > www.blind-computing.com > that includes links to other pages that contain additional e-mail list > information. > Also, just like placing o/t in the subject field doesn't make it okay to > post the message, > saying I apologize, or sorry for the cross-posting doesn't excuse the > action. > Placing this statement in the message says that the poster has only one
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ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one message and go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put the address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to both lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. That is what I do and it seems to work quite fine for me. - Original Message - From: "Bill Gallik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > OK Gang, > > Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested > that > we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each list > separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not realize a > convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: > > 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then > copy > the entire contents of that text session ( + ) into the > clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( + ) into the > two separate messages - one for each list. > > 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then using > the + (copy all) and + commands to copy the > message > from one email composition for one list into a second email composition > for > the second list. > > Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both the > Blind > Computing and JAWS Users list. > > > Bill Gallik > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all > our > adversities." > - Sophocles > - Original Message ----- > From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "blind-computing" > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM > Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > All, > In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the > management team > to take a closer look at general list operation. > A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team > and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. > Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since it > will > be posted to both > lists. > 1. Cross-posting > Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list has > increased. > We need to bring this method of posting to an end. > Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, > it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. > Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part of the > poster. > This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules in > their > e-mail client. > This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and discourteous to > others. > Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to accomodate > those > who won't take an extra > minute or so to post in a proper manner. > Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually serves > to > slow the overall > performance of the list. > If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it should be > done on an individual > message basis. > I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will post > the > same question to > several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. > If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then > post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. > If you don't recieve an answer, then you can > figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: > Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the person that > has > an answer hasn't read > the message yet. > If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for example > jaws-users.com, > Then post your question to a more generalized list such as > blind-computing.com. > There is a list of e-mail lists on the resources page at: > www.blind-computing.com > that includes links to other pages that contain additional e-mail list > information. > Also, just like placing o/t in the subject field doesn't make it okay to > post the message, > saying I apologize, or sorry for the cross-posting doesn't excuse the > action. > Placing this statement in the message says that the poster has only one > consideration, and that is > themselves. > Don't perform the action, and you won't have to apologize for it. > For those in an employment situation, I can understand your sense of > urgency > for an answer to a > problem, > but you get what you pay for, and if you expect a quick answer to your >
Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST
OK Gang, Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested that we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each list separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not realize a convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then copy the entire contents of that text session ( + ) into the clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( + ) into the two separate messages - one for each list. 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then using the + (copy all) and + commands to copy the message from one email composition for one list into a second email composition for the second list. Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both the Blind Computing and JAWS Users list. Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities." - Sophocles - Original Message - From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "blind-computing" Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST All, In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the management team to take a closer look at general list operation. A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since it will be posted to both lists. 1. Cross-posting Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list has increased. We need to bring this method of posting to an end. Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part of the poster. This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules in their e-mail client. This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and discourteous to others. Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to accomodate those who won't take an extra minute or so to post in a proper manner. Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually serves to slow the overall performance of the list. If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it should be done on an individual message basis. I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will post the same question to several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. If you don't recieve an answer, then you can figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the person that has an answer hasn't read the message yet. If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for example jaws-users.com, Then post your question to a more generalized list such as blind-computing.com. There is a list of e-mail lists on the resources page at: www.blind-computing.com that includes links to other pages that contain additional e-mail list information. Also, just like placing o/t in the subject field doesn't make it okay to post the message, saying I apologize, or sorry for the cross-posting doesn't excuse the action. Placing this statement in the message says that the poster has only one consideration, and that is themselves. Don't perform the action, and you won't have to apologize for it. For those in an employment situation, I can understand your sense of urgency for an answer to a problem, but you get what you pay for, and if you expect a quick answer to your question, you should be getting tech support on a pay-for basis, where you can have more of a say in how your request is handled. Let's remenmber that e-mail lists are comprised of people of all computing skills, and that noone here is getting paid for the assistance they offer. If you are not in an employment situation, and your questions are aimed at personal computing, then, there should be less of a sense of urgency. Everyone on the list does their best to respond in a timely mmanner. So, we all need to be patient. Keep in mind, that this doesn't mean one type of user is more deserving of help than another. David and I will work on the appropriate wording for this , and it will be added to the list guidelines, at the earliest possible time. 2. File Requests. Recently, we have had some excellent contributions to the list, from within the membership. And we want to encourage this to continue. We will be working on a better system of file distribution, so that when menmbers have files they want to share with the list, we have a way for members to ge
Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST
Well Rick is a tuff act to follow, but I am going to try and acquit myself never the less. As of right now we have a total of 414 subscribers to both list. That's obviously more than I thought would ever happen when I began this little project almost 2 years ago. So it looks like once again we must make further improvements to the way things are being managed since the membership is becoming so large, but that's a good thing. In my opinion at least it means something is being done correctly. David Ferrin - Original Message - From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "blind-computing" Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:52 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST All, In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the management team to take a closer look at general list operation. A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since it will be posted to both lists. 1. Cross-posting Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list has increased. We need to bring this method of posting to an end. Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part of the poster. This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules in their e-mail client. This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and discourteous to others. Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to accomodate those who won't take an extra minute or so to post in a proper manner. Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually serves to slow the overall performance of the list. If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it should be done on an individual message basis. I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will post the same question to several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. If you don't recieve an answer, then you can figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the person that has an answer hasn't read the message yet. If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for example jaws-users.com, Then post your question to a more generalized list such as blind-computing.com. There is a list of e-mail lists on the resources page at: www.blind-computing.com that includes links to other pages that contain additional e-mail list information. Also, just like placing o/t in the subject field doesn't make it okay to post the message, saying I apologize, or sorry for the cross-posting doesn't excuse the action. Placing this statement in the message says that the poster has only one consideration, and that is themselves. Don't perform the action, and you won't have to apologize for it. For those in an employment situation, I can understand your sense of urgency for an answer to a problem, but you get what you pay for, and if you expect a quick answer to your question, you should be getting tech support on a pay-for basis, where you can have more of a say in how your request is handled. Let's remenmber that e-mail lists are comprised of people of all computing skills, and that noone here is getting paid for the assistance they offer. If you are not in an employment situation, and your questions are aimed at personal computing, then, there should be less of a sense of urgency. Everyone on the list does their best to respond in a timely mmanner. So, we all need to be patient. Keep in mind, that this doesn't mean one type of user is more deserving of help than another. David and I will work on the appropriate wording for this , and it will be added to the list guidelines, at the earliest possible time. 2. File Requests. Recently, we have had some excellent contributions to the list, from within the membership. And we want to encourage this to continue. We will be working on a better system of file distribution, so that when menmbers have files they want to share with the list, we have a way for members to get the file, or files to the management team so that we can make them readily available to all list members. The reason for this, is thatwhen a member posts to the list, that they have files to share, this dramatically increases list traffic and band width. In order to stream the process and make it more efficient, we will see what we can put in place to facilitate this. If we can make this happen, then there will be no need to post to the list asking people to send files privately. If a member
[Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST
All, In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the management team to take a closer look at general list operation. A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since it will be posted to both lists. 1. Cross-posting Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list has increased. We need to bring this method of posting to an end. Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part of the poster. This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules in their e-mail client. This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and discourteous to others. Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to accomodate those who won't take an extra minute or so to post in a proper manner. Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually serves to slow the overall performance of the list. If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it should be done on an individual message basis. I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will post the same question to several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. If you don't recieve an answer, then you can figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the person that has an answer hasn't read the message yet. If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for example jaws-users.com, Then post your question to a more generalized list such as blind-computing.com. There is a list of e-mail lists on the resources page at: www.blind-computing.com that includes links to other pages that contain additional e-mail list information. Also, just like placing o/t in the subject field doesn't make it okay to post the message, saying I apologize, or sorry for the cross-posting doesn't excuse the action. Placing this statement in the message says that the poster has only one consideration, and that is themselves. Don't perform the action, and you won't have to apologize for it. For those in an employment situation, I can understand your sense of urgency for an answer to a problem, but you get what you pay for, and if you expect a quick answer to your question, you should be getting tech support on a pay-for basis, where you can have more of a say in how your request is handled. Let's remenmber that e-mail lists are comprised of people of all computing skills, and that noone here is getting paid for the assistance they offer. If you are not in an employment situation, and your questions are aimed at personal computing, then, there should be less of a sense of urgency. Everyone on the list does their best to respond in a timely mmanner. So, we all need to be patient. Keep in mind, that this doesn't mean one type of user is more deserving of help than another. David and I will work on the appropriate wording for this , and it will be added to the list guidelines, at the earliest possible time. 2. File Requests. Recently, we have had some excellent contributions to the list, from within the membership. And we want to encourage this to continue. We will be working on a better system of file distribution, so that when menmbers have files they want to share with the list, we have a way for members to get the file, or files to the management team so that we can make them readily available to all list members. The reason for this, is thatwhen a member posts to the list, that they have files to share, this dramatically increases list traffic and band width. In order to stream the process and make it more efficient, we will see what we can put in place to facilitate this. If we can make this happen, then there will be no need to post to the list asking people to send files privately. If a member has a file that may benefit other users, and he or she wants to send it to another member privately, then they need to take that transaction completely off-list. This will greatly reduce the occurance of people flooding the list with requests for private e-mail attachments. How it works: When a member has a file to share with the list membership, they need only make it available to the management team. At this point, the management team can put the file in an accessible location, and then make the membership aware of that location, with only one post to the list. Now, you can see that 1 message is posted, but the file is available to all members. Instant reduction in redundent messages to the list. 3. Just a reminder, that we all, management team included, need to try an
