RE: [BlindHandyMan] Drill Bits
Hi Howard Here is an article about drill bits I have posted before you might get some tips from reading. Close Look at Drill Bits http://www.extremehowto.com/xh/graphics/articles/art_60308_bits1.jpg If you work long enough, you'll discover you really can't have too many drill bits. They're needed for numerous around-the-home, shop and contractor chores. Bits are available for drilling just about any material, including wood, the various metals, concrete, stone, tile and even glass. As you can guess, a wide variety of bits or tools for drilling are available for use with portable drills and drill presses. These include standard twist drill bits, auger bits, spade bits, Forstner bits, expansion bits, step-drill bits, hole saws, pilot-hole and screw bits, and plug cutters. http://www.extremehowto.com/xh/hotprod_images/DB03TT.jpg Twist drill bits are the most common, and are available in a variety of sizes, materials and shapes. Show is a typical bit configuration. Twist Drill Bits Twist drill bits are some of the most common shop tools. They're available in a wide range of sizes, point and twist shapes, and these days they're not only available in standard industrial-grade steel, but also in exotic materials including titanium coated, black oxide and cobalt. Don't buy cheap bits. They're frustrating and can be dangerous, causing you to push or exert force when drilling. http://www.extremehowto.com/xh/hotprod_images/DB02TT.jpg Drill bits are the most common tool accessory, a $740 million North American market. Drill bits are available in a wide variety of types, sizes and materials for specific metal- and wood-boring chores. Drill bit sizes come in four categories: fractional sizes, wire-gauge sizes, letter sizes and metric. Fractional sizes begin at 1/64 inch and run to more than 4 inches. The smaller bits increase in size by 64'ths, the mid-size bits by 32'nds and the larger bits by 16'ths. Wire-gauge numbers run from No. 1 through 80 (the smallest). All sizes are less than 1/4 inch and begin at 0.0135 inch (No. 80) up to 0.2280 inch (No. 1). The numbers correspond to standard wire sizes. These bits are used where exact hole dimensions are required, such as when tapping threads in holes. Letter size bits begin the next size up from No. 1 wire gauge. They begin at 0.2340 inch (A) and run to 0.4062 inch (Z). The largest size is smaller than 7/16 inch. These too are used to make precise hole sizes. And, of course, there are metric sizes in millimeters. One millimeter is equal to 0.394 inch. Shown below is the Vermont American conversion chart to convert metric and decimal. http://www.drilldoctor.com/ http://www.extremehowto.com/xh/hotprod_images/drilldoctorbanner.gif Twist bits are commonly sold in a standard length, called jobber lengths, with the length varying according to the bit diameter. These will handle most of the jobs you'll tackle, but at times a longer length may be needed. In this case, extensions are available for 1/4-inch bit shanks. With many hex-heads available these days, an extension will fit most bit sizes, but they are designed primarily for woodworking, not metal chores. The next step in twist drill school is the point angle. Typically, 118 degrees is the most common angle. But these drills require a starting dimple in metal with a center punch, otherwise the bit will walk or skate away from the hole location. Bits with a 135 degree point will start their own hole in metal and, of course, can be used on many other materials. Brad-point bits provide even more precise starting in both metal and wood. Woodcraft Supply carries extra-long, 10-inch brad-point bits, handy for many furniture construction chores. http://www.mytgtools.com/ http://www.extremehowto.com/xh/hotprod_images/tgtoolsbanner.bmp The helix and flute angles are also important, and again these days there's more variety to choose from, depending on the job. The new Bosch Speed Helix design has an aggressive flute structure engineered to remove material faster, and the 135-degree split point eliminates walking, making the bit more efficient, with up to three times faster penetration than bits designed with a standard helix. Quicker penetration also means less energy on the part of the drill turning the bit, as well as the user pressing down, which translates into more battery life for a cordless drill/driver and less fatigue on the part of the user. Twist drill bits are made of a variety of materials, with carbon steel the softest. High speed steel (HSS) bits are also available. As mentioned earlier, exotic materials these days include black oxide, titanium and cobalt. Each is designed for a specific purpose, and Bosch has introduced new designs in these bits as well. The Bosch High-Speed Steel Black Oxide bits are all-purpose for heavy-duty drilling in wood, plastic, carbon and alloy steels, aluminum and soft cast iron. Titanium is designed for repetitive
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Drill Bits
Howard, I always got extra bits at a electrical supply house where I got my tools. I used a lot of 1/8 inch bits. I always had some high and slow speed bits to use and used them for everything. ...bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[BlindHandyMan] Fuel Line Stuck
Does anyone have any tips for detaching a flexible fuel line which is stuck on to a fuel filter? I am trying to start an old tractor which has been parked out in the weeds for the last couple of years. Either the fuel filter is clogged or I will need to replace the fuel pump. In any case I will need to slip the fuel line off of several fuel system components. After slipping back the clamps I have tried pulling and twisting the fuel line without any success. I would like to break the connection without having to replace the fuel line. Any ideas or tips will be appreciated. Paul Franklin
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fuel Line Stuck
If your very careful, you can try sliding a flat screw driver under the line all the way around it and from time to time while it's between the line and filter wiggle and pull as well as try to twist the line. If it's been sitting that long, the lines may already be bad and need replacing anyway. Jimmy...KD5QHH... New home page, http://www.podsim.us MSN, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo, [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Franklin Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:40 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fuel Line Stuck Does anyone have any tips for detaching a flexible fuel line which is stuck on to a fuel filter? I am trying to start an old tractor which has been parked out in the weeds for the last couple of years. Either the fuel filter is clogged or I will need to replace the fuel pump. In any case I will need to slip the fuel line off of several fuel system components. After slipping back the clamps I have tried pulling and twisting the fuel line without any success. I would like to break the connection without having to replace the fuel line. Any ideas or tips will be appreciated. Paul Franklin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fuel Line Stuck
As long as that thing has been sitting, replace the damn rubber fuel lines. they deteriorate from the inside out and you run the risk of one hell of a mess if you don't. Fresh fuel will turn those lines to instant bubble-gum. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Franklin Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:40 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fuel Line Stuck Does anyone have any tips for detaching a flexible fuel line which is stuck on to a fuel filter? I am trying to start an old tractor which has been parked out in the weeds for the last couple of years. Either the fuel filter is clogged or I will need to replace the fuel pump. In any case I will need to slip the fuel line off of several fuel system components. After slipping back the clamps I have tried pulling and twisting the fuel line without any success. I would like to break the connection without having to replace the fuel line. Any ideas or tips will be appreciated. Paul Franklin Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_p agePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach InfoWest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 192932118) is spam: Spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=192932118m=694bbc2e2570c=s Not spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=192932118m=694bbc2e2570c=n Forget vote: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=192932118m=694bbc2e2570c=f REMEMBER: Never give out your account information, password, or other personal information over e-mail. -- END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS
[BlindHandyMan] Roof is DONE
Well, I finally got my roof done. After getting half of my shingles a week late from the lumber yard, and fighting with 100 degree temps and rain. A tip though, if you have two people laying shingles, make sure the shingle spacers on the guns are set right. So we ended up eye balling most of them to get it straightened out, but you can't tell from the ground. I will send more specifics if anyone is interested. Michael
[BlindHandyMan] tightening oil filters
When putting on an oil filter in a car, should the filter be tightened with a filter wrench or by hand? John
Re: [BlindHandyMan] tightening oil filters
Actually I would poor some oil into the filter and yes subtract this from the total amount. As David said, yes, put some oil around the filter as stated and finally tighten by hand, then slap an appropriate wrench on there and give it a quarter turn or so. The point is you don't want to have to resort to extremes in removing it in the future, but nor do you want it to leak oil. On Jul 15, 2008, at 6:22 PM, David Engebretson wrote: I usually put some oil on the seal itself and then tighten it down by hand. Cheers, David -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of John Schwery Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:59 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] tightening oil filters When putting on an oil filter in a car, should the filter be tightened with a filter wrench or by hand? John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Scott Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[BlindHandyMan] router bits
Folks, might be a silly question to some, but I have a question on router bits. First let me say I did find my router attachment for my Rotozip. Ok, it's not perfect, but for the minute it'll do for trying things out. I've got some sudden expenses so the router purchase is on hold. However, I did find also a set of Black N Decker bits to play with I forgot I even had. I tried some of them out on a scrap piece of wood and found some neat shapes. I also grabbed a couple of good bits at Home Depot before I realized I had the BND bits. So, I got a OGE, a Round-Over, and a V bit or I believe that's what it's called. Although they give me some shapes I'm interested in, I am looking for a particular bit. On many counter tops you will find the edge is simply rounded off and what router bit would do that. I'm thinking that the edge of my desk could use a nicely rounded piece. At this point the top is a perfect squared off piece of Mellonmine. Then I was looking at the best way to attach this and two thoughts I had was some type of glue or using a router which may be tricky with even the poor-man's router I have to cut some slots and use a biscuit-type arrangement if you will to hold things together. Also, is there a document or something that anyone knows about that might give me some general idea of what a bit will provide in terms of shape? I know that's a tall order, but just trying to put some basic shape idea to the various names. Oh I did want to mention that I looked at a Ridgid router for $199 which comes with both a fixed and plunge base. A very nice router in my opinion which counts for little as I've not owned nor used a router enough to know the good, the bad, or the ugly. Point is it got some good marks and seemed like a well put together machine with many nice features for the price. tnx Scott Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] tightening oil filters
By hand. You want to get it as tight as you can by hand because it will tighten itself as the engine heats up and cools down. Also put oil around the edge of the filter where it tightens to the motor. Jimmy...KD5QHH... New home page, http://www.podsim.us MSN, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo, [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Schwery Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:59 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] tightening oil filters When putting on an oil filter in a car, should the filter be tightened with a filter wrench or by hand? John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] tightening oil filters
All of you guys are right... however, there a couple of caveats. 1. unless it is a first start on a fresh motor or unless the factory tells you specifically to fill the new filter with oil it is not necessary. Secondly make certain that the old gasket comes off with the old oil filter. If the old filter turns into a fist-fight coming off you want to make sure it didn't leave its gasket behind. No matter what the application, coat the new filter gasket with oil. Once you are satisfied that the sealing surface is clean and free of old gaskets , spin the new oil filter into place and *hand tighten only* if you over tighten the filter you will cause all kinds of problems for yourself down the line. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Schwery Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:59 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] tightening oil filters When putting on an oil filter in a car, should the filter be tightened with a filter wrench or by hand? John Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_p agePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach InfoWest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 193043766) is spam: Spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=193043766m=f597f2a96562c=s Not spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=193043766m=f597f2a96562c=n Forget vote: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=193043766m=f597f2a96562c=f REMEMBER: Never give out your account information, password, or other personal information over e-mail. -- END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS
RE: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant
Unless your freezer is either extremely old and equipped with a charging port or is an extremely high end model and equipped with a charging port you are probably looking at a total replacement or a package compressor unit that comes pre -charged from the manufacturer. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Riddle Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:36 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant Our freezer died. I think it probably needs a refill on refrigerant. Where does one go to get refrigerant these days? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_p agePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach InfoWest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 193058432) is spam: Spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=193058432m=ed4ce0c4d7c7c=s Not spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=193058432m=ed4ce0c4d7c7c=n Forget vote: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=193058432m=ed4ce0c4d7c7c=f REMEMBER: Never give out your account information, password, or other personal information over e-mail. -- END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS
Re: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant
Damn. I was afraid of that. Well I got the local AC guy coming out tomorrow to give me an estimate. I've got a sinking feeling that we'll just need to buy a new freezer though. - Original Message - From: Larry Stansifer To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant Unless your freezer is either extremely old and equipped with a charging port or is an extremely high end model and equipped with a charging port you are probably looking at a total replacement or a package compressor unit that comes pre -charged from the manufacturer. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Riddle Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:36 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant Our freezer died. I think it probably needs a refill on refrigerant. Where does one go to get refrigerant these days? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_p agePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach InfoWest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 193058432) is spam: Spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=193058432m=ed4ce0c4d7c7c=s Not spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=193058432m=ed4ce0c4d7c7c=n Forget vote: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=193058432m=ed4ce0c4d7c7c=f REMEMBER: Never give out your account information, password, or other personal information over e-mail. -- END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant
Robert, What brand is it and how old is it? -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Riddle Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:57 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant Damn. I was afraid of that. Well I got the local AC guy coming out tomorrow to give me an estimate. I've got a sinking feeling that we'll just need to buy a new freezer though. - Original Message - From: Larry Stansifer To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant Unless your freezer is either extremely old and equipped with a charging port or is an extremely high end model and equipped with a charging port you are probably looking at a total replacement or a package compressor unit that comes pre -charged from the manufacturer. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Riddle Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:36 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant Our freezer died. I think it probably needs a refill on refrigerant. Where does one go to get refrigerant these days? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_p agePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_p agePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach InfoWest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 193061929) is spam: Spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=193061929m=30db8b4b3f47c=s Not spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=193061929m=30db8b4b3f47c=n Forget vote: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=193061929m=30db8b4b3f47c=f REMEMBER: Never give out your account information, password, or other personal information over e-mail. -- END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS
Re: [BlindHandyMan] router bits
Hmmm, ok well I need to check, cause it seemed to me that the round- over I have didn't exactly give me a rounded edge. Seemed more like a rounded edge with a squared off edge. Lets see if I can explain a little better. It starts flat like a table top, you get to the edge you get an immediate 90-degree drop which then turns into a slope. So, maybe this isn't exactly a round-over, but then again I may be wrong, but perhaps depending upon how much of the bit extends from the router, may affect the edge? Does that make sense? WHich is yet a good question, how much of the bit should be exposed from the router. On Jul 15, 2008, at 7:23 PM, John Schwery wrote: Scott, a round-over bit rounds off an edge. earlier, Scott Howell, wrote: Folks, might be a silly question to some, but I have a question on router bits. First let me say I did find my router attachment for my Rotozip. Ok, it's not perfect, but for the minute it'll do for trying things out. I've got some sudden expenses so the router purchase is on hold. However, I did find also a set of Black N Decker bits to play with I forgot I even had. I tried some of them out on a scrap piece of wood and found some neat shapes. I also grabbed a couple of good bits at Home Depot before I realized I had the BND bits. So, I got a OGE, a Round-Over, and a V bit or I believe that's what it's called. Although they give me some shapes I'm interested in, I am looking for a particular bit. On many counter tops you will find the edge is simply rounded off and what router bit would do that. I'm thinking that the edge of my desk could use a nicely rounded piece. At this point the top is a perfect squared off piece of Mellonmine. Then I was looking at the best way to attach this and two thoughts I had was some type of glue or using a router which may be tricky with even the poor-man's router I have to cut some slots and use a biscuit-type arrangement if you will to hold things together. Also, is there a document or something that anyone knows about that might give me some general idea of what a bit will provide in terms of shape? I know that's a tall order, but just trying to put some basic shape idea to the various names. Oh I did want to mention that I looked at a Ridgid router for $199 which comes with both a fixed and plunge base. A very nice router in my opinion which counts for little as I've not owned nor used a router enough to know the good, the bad, or the ugly. Point is it got some good marks and seemed like a well put together machine with many nice features for the price. tnx Scott Howell mailto:s.howell%40verizon.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.11/1554 - Release Date: 7/15/2008 6:03 PM John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Scott Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] tightening oil filters
Yep, true, never over tighten. Interesting, the practice of adding oil to the filter is one I've done for a long time. I think the reason is since there's little oil left in the engine, a bit in the filter will insure something gets to the parts before the pump has to dig it up from the bottom. Of course that doesn't mean this is correct for all vehicles and maybe old school. I learned it from an old dude so what can I say. grin On Jul 15, 2008, at 7:40 PM, Larry Stansifer wrote: All of you guys are right... however, there a couple of caveats. 1. unless it is a first start on a fresh motor or unless the factory tells you specifically to fill the new filter with oil it is not necessary. Secondly make certain that the old gasket comes off with the old oil filter. If the old filter turns into a fist-fight coming off you want to make sure it didn't leave its gasket behind. No matter what the application, coat the new filter gasket with oil. Once you are satisfied that the sealing surface is clean and free of old gaskets , spin the new oil filter into place and *hand tighten only* if you over tighten the filter you will cause all kinds of problems for yourself down the line. -Orig [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] tightening oil filters
On the older cars that's what they always said, but on the newer cars You just put the new filter on and fill until full. Jimmy...KD5QHH... New home page, http://www.podsim.us MSN, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo, [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:19 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] tightening oil filters Yep, true, never over tighten. Interesting, the practice of adding oil to the filter is one I've done for a long time. I think the reason is since there's little oil left in the engine, a bit in the filter will insure something gets to the parts before the pump has to dig it up from the bottom. Of course that doesn't mean this is correct for all vehicles and maybe old school. I learned it from an old dude so what can I say. grin On Jul 15, 2008, at 7:40 PM, Larry Stansifer wrote: All of you guys are right... however, there a couple of caveats. 1. unless it is a first start on a fresh motor or unless the factory tells you specifically to fill the new filter with oil it is not necessary. Secondly make certain that the old gasket comes off with the old oil filter. If the old filter turns into a fist-fight coming off you want to make sure it didn't leave its gasket behind. No matter what the application, coat the new filter gasket with oil. Once you are satisfied that the sealing surface is clean and free of old gaskets , spin the new oil filter into place and *hand tighten only* if you over tighten the filter you will cause all kinds of problems for yourself down the line. -Orig [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] tightening oil filters
Good tips, here Larry, thanks for sending them along.. Regards Don - Original Message - From: Larry Stansifer To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:40 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] tightening oil filters All of you guys are right... however, there a couple of caveats. 1. unless it is a first start on a fresh motor or unless the factory tells you specifically to fill the new filter with oil it is not necessary. Secondly make certain that the old gasket comes off with the old oil filter. If the old filter turns into a fist-fight coming off you want to make sure it didn't leave its gasket behind. No matter what the application, coat the new filter gasket with oil. Once you are satisfied that the sealing surface is clean and free of old gaskets , spin the new oil filter into place and *hand tighten only* if you over tighten the filter you will cause all kinds of problems for yourself down the line. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Schwery Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:59 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] tightening oil filters When putting on an oil filter in a car, should the filter be tightened with a filter wrench or by hand? John Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_p agePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach InfoWest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 193043766) is spam: Spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=193043766m=f597f2a96562c=s Not spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=193043766m=f597f2a96562c=n Forget vote: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=193043766m=f597f2a96562c=f REMEMBER: Never give out your account information, password, or other personal information over e-mail. -- END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant
Hi Robert, I believe in most places one needs to have a license to purchase refrigerant. If the freezer is low on refrigerant that means that you have a leak somewhere. That leak needs to be repaired or you will be throwing money away because it will leak out also. If air is mixed with refrigerant the freezer will not operate correctly. Once the leak is fixed the freezer will need to be evacuated with a vacuum pump before filling with refrigerant and possibly some oil for the compressor. Art - Original Message - From: Robert Riddle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:36 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant Our freezer died. I think it probably needs a refill on refrigerant. Where does one go to get refrigerant these days? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] tightening oil filters
Hi John, Make sure that the oil filter mating surface is clean of dirt and old gasket material before installing the new one. Prefill the filter with oil as much as you can. If the filter mounts on an angle then you shouldn't fill it up because it will lose oil during the installation process. When filling the filter, note that oil will soak in to the filter material slowly and you might need to add oil a few times before it is full. Put some oil on the gasket to help it slip when tightening. Spin the oil filter on and only tighten by hand. Make sure it is on good but if you over tighten during installation you probably cause yourself or someone else much problems in the future. Art - Original Message - From: John Schwery To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:58 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] tightening oil filters When putting on an oil filter in a car, should the filter be tightened with a filter wrench or by hand? John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fuel Line Stuck
Hi Paul I have two different tools called hose hooks that I use for loosening hoses. It is similar to a screwdriver but the shank has a bend or bends in it and a point on the end. One slowly works the point under the hose then work it around under the hose. You need to be careful not to poke the point through the hose. My particular hose hooks are from snap-on but other tool companies sell them too. If these hoses are old it might not be worth attempting to save them. Art - Original Message - From: Paul Franklin To: blindhandyman@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fuel Line Stuck Does anyone have any tips for detaching a flexible fuel line which is stuck on to a fuel filter? I am trying to start an old tractor which has been parked out in the weeds for the last couple of years. Either the fuel filter is clogged or I will need to replace the fuel pump. In any case I will need to slip the fuel line off of several fuel system components. After slipping back the clamps I have tried pulling and twisting the fuel line without any success. I would like to break the connection without having to replace the fuel line. Any ideas or tips will be appreciated. Paul Franklin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fuel Line Stuck
Unfortunately if it has sat for a couple years you'll probably be better off replacing everything. The outside of the fuel line will be a bit brittle and probably showing signs of dry rot. The inside will be in worse shape. Fuel lines as they age start to shed and after sitting dried out for a while dumping fuel back through them will collect the flakes that come loose. It will just make more of a mess in the carburetor than you have already. When the line is supple you can twist and pull on the filter and it will come right out. Now you are seeing the signs of age because the line has dried into the shape and can't expand to let the filter go. One tip in buying new line. Always buy hoses by the foot because you will be charged that way for them. If you only need 6 inches, you'll still pay for a foot of hose. - Original Message - From: Paul Franklin To: blindhandyman@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fuel Line Stuck Does anyone have any tips for detaching a flexible fuel line which is stuck on to a fuel filter? I am trying to start an old tractor which has been parked out in the weeds for the last couple of years. Either the fuel filter is clogged or I will need to replace the fuel pump. In any case I will need to slip the fuel line off of several fuel system components. After slipping back the clamps I have tried pulling and twisting the fuel line without any success. I would like to break the connection without having to replace the fuel line. Any ideas or tips will be appreciated. Paul Franklin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] router bits
Scott, Yeah, you've got too much bit hanging out. I have done that for certain decorative shapes, but if you just want a round-over, pull the bit back a bit. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:(412) 268-9081
Re: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant
If you aren't a license refrigerant repair person, you don't. RJ - Original Message - From: Robert Riddle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:36 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant Our freezer died. I think it probably needs a refill on refrigerant. Where does one go to get refrigerant these days? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant
I believe you are in for a sticker shock. smile, RJ - Original Message - From: Robert Riddle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant Damn. I was afraid of that. Well I got the local AC guy coming out tomorrow to give me an estimate. I've got a sinking feeling that we'll just need to buy a new freezer though. - Original Message - From: Larry Stansifer To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant Unless your freezer is either extremely old and equipped with a charging port or is an extremely high end model and equipped with a charging port you are probably looking at a total replacement or a package compressor unit that comes pre -charged from the manufacturer. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Riddle Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:36 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant Our freezer died. I think it probably needs a refill on refrigerant. Where does one go to get refrigerant these days? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_p agePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach InfoWest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 193058432) is spam: Spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=193058432m=ed4ce0c4d7c7c=s Not spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=193058432m=ed4ce0c4d7c7c=n Forget vote: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=193058432m=ed4ce0c4d7c7c=f REMEMBER: Never give out your account information, password, or other personal information over e-mail. -- END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] tightening oil filters
Only use a wrench to get it off. You ruin the O ring over tightening it. If the filter is mounted vertically you should put some oil inside the filter first, wipe a little on the O ring and tighten it by hand. I've never had a leak this way. But in my early days, and some of you weren't alive back then, I cause a number of leaks by flipping the wrench over. Figured if it was leaking tightening it more would stop the leak. Not so. - Original Message - From: John Schwery To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:58 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] tightening oil filters When putting on an oil filter in a car, should the filter be tightened with a filter wrench or by hand? John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] router bits
The bit you are looking for to ease the edge is called a chamfer bit. It will just flare some near the top and put that nice neat softened edge on your desk. Don't know of a book or document to tell you about shapes. It's best to hold one and trace the bit. Hopefully you'll be able to visualize the design on the wood. - Original Message - From: Scott Howell To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:12 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] router bits Folks, might be a silly question to some, but I have a question on router bits. First let me say I did find my router attachment for my Rotozip. Ok, it's not perfect, but for the minute it'll do for trying things out. I've got some sudden expenses so the router purchase is on hold. However, I did find also a set of Black N Decker bits to play with I forgot I even had. I tried some of them out on a scrap piece of wood and found some neat shapes. I also grabbed a couple of good bits at Home Depot before I realized I had the BND bits. So, I got a OGE, a Round-Over, and a V bit or I believe that's what it's called. Although they give me some shapes I'm interested in, I am looking for a particular bit. On many counter tops you will find the edge is simply rounded off and what router bit would do that. I'm thinking that the edge of my desk could use a nicely rounded piece. At this point the top is a perfect squared off piece of Mellonmine. Then I was looking at the best way to attach this and two thoughts I had was some type of glue or using a router which may be tricky with even the poor-man's router I have to cut some slots and use a biscuit-type arrangement if you will to hold things together. Also, is there a document or something that anyone knows about that might give me some general idea of what a bit will provide in terms of shape? I know that's a tall order, but just trying to put some basic shape idea to the various names. Oh I did want to mention that I looked at a Ridgid router for $199 which comes with both a fixed and plunge base. A very nice router in my opinion which counts for little as I've not owned nor used a router enough to know the good, the bad, or the ugly. Point is it got some good marks and seemed like a well put together machine with many nice features for the price. tnx Scott Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant
Unless it has 134A, you'll need to have a certification to buy any other kind of freon. - Original Message - From: Robert Riddle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:36 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant Our freezer died. I think it probably needs a refill on refrigerant. Where does one go to get refrigerant these days? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[BlindHandyMan] auto maintenance
I went to the Dodge dealer today to make an appointment for the following work: oil and lube - they are free for 7 years or 75,000 miles Change air conditioner filter Change AWD power transfer unit fluid Change AWD overrunning clutch rear carrier fluid The shop forman told me that they never changed an air conditioner filter and that they don't have any. I was asked how many miles and what vehicle I told him a Grand Caravan Sport 2003 with 38,000 miles He then asked why I wanted the awd fluids changed. I referred him to the manual that wants one changed every 15,000 and the other every 21,000 miles. He told me that it is not necessary. This is the second time that they refused to change those fluids. They also refused to change the break fluid so the last time I had to take it to a local garage. So next week I have to take it the local guy to have the break fluid changed. Two years ago he did not want to change the awd fluids and recommended that I take it to the dealer. Does this fluid really need to be changed? Lenny Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [BlindHandyMan] auto maintenance
Hi Lenny I am having my work car brake fluid changed at the moment by the Dealer where I bought the car from, In fact it should be picked up in about 2 hours. I also want them to check over the brakes to see if anything is required, and they are doing a registration inspection at the same time. I am going to change the engine oil and filter this weekend, but I have to jack up the car at the front for the oil filter is right at the rear of the engine. Then lay on my back and reach up to remove the filter and oil runs down your arm while doing so. Cars these days are made to do the servicing on a hoist but not many people have hoists at home. But I have just bought anew filter remover which tightens around the old filter and adjusts with a quick action screw. All you need is to just loosen it a little then you can remove it easily by hand. Regards Ray -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lenny McHugh Sent: Wednesday, 16 July 2008 12:23 PM To: handyman-blind Subject: [BlindHandyMan] auto maintenance I went to the Dodge dealer today to make an appointment for the following work: oil and lube - they are free for 7 years or 75,000 miles Change air conditioner filter Change AWD power transfer unit fluid Change AWD overrunning clutch rear carrier fluid The shop forman told me that they never changed an air conditioner filter and that they don't have any. I was asked how many miles and what vehicle I told him a Grand Caravan Sport 2003 with 38,000 miles He then asked why I wanted the awd fluids changed. I referred him to the manual that wants one changed every 15,000 and the other every 21,000 miles. He told me that it is not necessary. This is the second time that they refused to change those fluids. They also refused to change the break fluid so the last time I had to take it to a local garage. So next week I have to take it the local guy to have the break fluid changed. Two years ago he did not want to change the awd fluids and recommended that I take it to the dealer. Does this fluid really need to be changed? Lenny Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=vi ew_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links ** This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not disclose or use the information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of Eraring Energy must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by Eraring Energy. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. **
RE: [BlindHandyMan] tightening oil filters
Back when I could see pretty well yet the instructions on the oil filter said to tighten only three fourths of a turn after the gasket contacted the mating surface. I tried to change the filter on my daughter's car a couple weeks ago, and the shop that last did it turned it too tight, and I couldn't get if off with a filter wrench. Blessings, Tom -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Schwery Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:59 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] tightening oil filters When putting on an oil filter in a car, should the filter be tightened with a filter wrench or by hand? John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant
Oh yeah. This freezer, we bought it used on CL. I don't think it's more than 10 years old. But damn, a comparable one costs 500 dollars at Sears. Yikes. - Original Message - From: RJ To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant I believe you are in for a sticker shock. smile, RJ - Original Message - From: Robert Riddle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant Damn. I was afraid of that. Well I got the local AC guy coming out tomorrow to give me an estimate. I've got a sinking feeling that we'll just need to buy a new freezer though. - Original Message - From: Larry Stansifer To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant Unless your freezer is either extremely old and equipped with a charging port or is an extremely high end model and equipped with a charging port you are probably looking at a total replacement or a package compressor unit that comes pre -charged from the manufacturer. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Riddle Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:36 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] refrigerant Our freezer died. I think it probably needs a refill on refrigerant. Where does one go to get refrigerant these days? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_p agePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach InfoWest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 193058432) is spam: Spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=193058432m=ed4ce0c4d7c7c=s Not spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=193058432m=ed4ce0c4d7c7c=n Forget vote: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=193058432m=ed4ce0c4d7c7c=f REMEMBER: Never give out your account information, password, or other personal information over e-mail. -- END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
