Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people

[Scott Howell]

Yeah, my wife and I have been in these situations and she says with a  
rather snide tone, "don't ask me, I'm not buy ing the stuff." Pretty  
much telling the person hey idiot, he's asking the questions not me,  
so pay attention.

On Nov 17, 2008, at 1:55 AM, Robert Riddle wrote:

> Oh yeah, I get things like that all the time. Try this.
> This spring we went to our local hardware store. I was looking to  
> buy some nails and wire cutters. The sales clerk insisted on talking  
> to my partner rather than to me. Like "What sort of nails is he  
> looking for?" I was like, I'm standing right here, idiot, she  
> doesn't know nothing about tools, don't ask her, lol. And the clerk  
> was looking at me as with this funky expression, like what the hell  
> does a blind man want with nails and wire cutters and hammers? God I  
> hate people like that.
> - Original Message -
> From: Tom Vos
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 9:53 PM
> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people
>
> Friends of the order of the Nailing Apron,
> You've probably had experiences similar to mine when I visited Menards
> yesterday. We picked up supplies to upgrade the kitchen. With the new
> furnace the chimney is no longer in use. By taking it out I can adde  
> 24
> inches of upper and lower cabinets and countertop. Then we'll  
> upgrade to
> new lights, and llay new vinyl flooring.
> So I needed some screws. It's hard for even my wife the find the  
> ones I
> want (3 inch, all purpose with a square drive). So I stood in the  
> screw
> aisle while she went to fetch a sales person. When he came up to me  
> I asked
> him for the xcrews I wanted, and he responded rather rudely, "You're  
> looking
> at them."
> So I lifted up my white cane and said, "I'm sorry , sir, I can't see  
> them."
> Even then he didn't get it. Not until my wife said, "That's why he  
> carries
> a white cane."
> Suddenly the young man became very nice and very helpfully pulled the
> screws off the shelf and then located the ring shank nails I need  
> for the
> underlayment. "Anything else I can help you with?"
> We went on without him, and did find another store employee who was  
> very
> helpful in helping us locate the underlayment, plywood and masonite we
> needed.
> Twice, on previous visits to Menards I have had sales clerks ask if  
> I needed
> to check my white cane. Perhaps it looks a bit like PVC. I told them  
> I had
> already paid for it.
> What shopping stories do you have?
> Blessings,
> Tom
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 

Scott Howell
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people

[Bob Kennedy]

And she carries a gun so the point is very clear...
  - Original Message - 
  From: Larry Stansifer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:00 AM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people


  Carol's signature response is "Did I ask you anything? Then don't tell me."
  This is usually delivered with the same sweet sensual tone of voice as "keep
  your hands where I can see them or get on the ground now!"

  -Original Message-
  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Scott Howell
  Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 3:20 AM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people

  Yeah, my wife and I have been in these situations and she says with a 
  rather snide tone, "don't ask me, I'm not buy ing the stuff." Pretty 
  much telling the person hey idiot, he's asking the questions not me, 
  so pay attention.

  On Nov 17, 2008, at 1:55 AM, Robert Riddle wrote:

  > Oh yeah, I get things like that all the time. Try this.
  > This spring we went to our local hardware store. I was looking to
  > buy some nails and wire cutters. The sales clerk insisted on talking 
  > to my partner rather than to me. Like "What sort of nails is he 
  > looking for?" I was like, I'm standing right here, idiot, she 
  > doesn't know nothing about tools, don't ask her, lol. And the clerk 
  > was looking at me as with this funky expression, like what the hell 
  > does a blind man want with nails and wire cutters and hammers? God I 
  > hate people like that.
  > - Original Message -
  > From: Tom Vos
  > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 9:53 PM
  > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people
  >
  > Friends of the order of the Nailing Apron,
  > You've probably had experiences similar to mine when I visited Menards 
  > yesterday. We picked up supplies to upgrade the kitchen. With the new 
  > furnace the chimney is no longer in use. By taking it out I can adde
  > 24
  > inches of upper and lower cabinets and countertop. Then we'll 
  > upgrade to
  > new lights, and llay new vinyl flooring.
  > So I needed some screws. It's hard for even my wife the find the 
  > ones I
  > want (3 inch, all purpose with a square drive). So I stood in the 
  > screw
  > aisle while she went to fetch a sales person. When he came up to me 
  > I asked
  > him for the xcrews I wanted, and he responded rather rudely, "You're 
  > looking
  > at them."
  > So I lifted up my white cane and said, "I'm sorry , sir, I can't see 
  > them."
  > Even then he didn't get it. Not until my wife said, "That's why he 
  > carries
  > a white cane."
  > Suddenly the young man became very nice and very helpfully pulled the
  > screws off the shelf and then located the ring shank nails I need 
  > for the
  > underlayment. "Anything else I can help you with?"
  > We went on without him, and did find another store employee who was 
  > very
  > helpful in helping us locate the underlayment, plywood and masonite we
  > needed.
  > Twice, on previous visits to Menards I have had sales clerks ask if 
  > I needed
  > to check my white cane. Perhaps it looks a bit like PVC. I told them 
  > I had
  > already paid for it.
  > What shopping stories do you have?
  > Blessings,
  > Tom
  >
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  >
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  >
  >
  > 

  Scott Howell
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people

[Larry Stansifer]

Carol's signature response is "Did I ask you anything? Then don't tell me."
This is usually delivered with the same sweet sensual tone of voice as "keep
your hands where I can see them or  get on the ground now!"

-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 3:20 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people


Yeah, my wife and I have been in these situations and she says with a  
rather snide tone, "don't ask me, I'm not buy ing the stuff." Pretty  
much telling the person hey idiot, he's asking the questions not me,  
so pay attention.

On Nov 17, 2008, at 1:55 AM, Robert Riddle wrote:

> Oh yeah, I get things like that all the time. Try this.
> This spring we went to our local hardware store. I was looking to
> buy some nails and wire cutters. The sales clerk insisted on talking  
> to my partner rather than to me. Like "What sort of nails is he  
> looking for?" I was like, I'm standing right here, idiot, she  
> doesn't know nothing about tools, don't ask her, lol. And the clerk  
> was looking at me as with this funky expression, like what the hell  
> does a blind man want with nails and wire cutters and hammers? God I  
> hate people like that.
> - Original Message -
> From: Tom Vos
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 9:53 PM
> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people
>
> Friends of the order of the Nailing Apron,
> You've probably had experiences similar to mine when I visited Menards 
> yesterday. We picked up supplies to upgrade the kitchen. With the new 
> furnace the chimney is no longer in use. By taking it out I can adde
> 24
> inches of upper and lower cabinets and countertop. Then we'll  
> upgrade to
> new lights, and llay new vinyl flooring.
> So I needed some screws. It's hard for even my wife the find the  
> ones I
> want (3 inch, all purpose with a square drive). So I stood in the  
> screw
> aisle while she went to fetch a sales person. When he came up to me  
> I asked
> him for the xcrews I wanted, and he responded rather rudely, "You're  
> looking
> at them."
> So I lifted up my white cane and said, "I'm sorry , sir, I can't see  
> them."
> Even then he didn't get it. Not until my wife said, "That's why he  
> carries
> a white cane."
> Suddenly the young man became very nice and very helpfully pulled the
> screws off the shelf and then located the ring shank nails I need  
> for the
> underlayment. "Anything else I can help you with?"
> We went on without him, and did find another store employee who was  
> very
> helpful in helping us locate the underlayment, plywood and masonite we
> needed.
> Twice, on previous visits to Menards I have had sales clerks ask if  
> I needed
> to check my white cane. Perhaps it looks a bit like PVC. I told them  
> I had
> already paid for it.
> What shopping stories do you have?
> Blessings,
> Tom
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 

Scott Howell
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people

[Bob Kennedy]

When I run into sales people that choose to talk to my wife instead of me we 
act like my wife is my translator.  What kind of screws is he looking for.  
Then my wife goes he wants to know what kind of screws you want.  I'll say tell 
him I want the 3 inch decking screws with square drive.  My wife will tell the 
guy he says he wants the 3 inch ...  That usually clears things up.  But there 
have been the idiots that can't catch on even after making fun of them.  

If that stays the case instead of the exception, I just tell the guy "I guess 
you can't help me, I'll find someone else."  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert Riddle 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people


  Oh yeah, I get things like that all the time. Try this.
  This spring we went to our local hardware store. I was looking to buy some 
nails and wire cutters. The sales clerk insisted on talking to my partner 
rather than to me. Like "What sort of nails is he looking for?" I was like, I'm 
standing right here, idiot, she doesn't know nothing about tools, don't ask 
her, lol. And the clerk was looking at me as with this funky expression, like 
what the hell does a blind man want with nails and wire cutters and hammers? 
God I hate people like that.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tom Vos 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 9:53 PM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people

  Friends of the order of the Nailing Apron,
  You've probably had experiences similar to mine when I visited Menards
  yesterday. We picked up supplies to upgrade the kitchen. With the new
  furnace the chimney is no longer in use. By taking it out I can adde 24
  inches of upper and lower cabinets and countertop. Then we'll upgrade to
  new lights, and llay new vinyl flooring.
  So I needed some screws. It's hard for even my wife the find the ones I
  want (3 inch, all purpose with a square drive). So I stood in the screw
  aisle while she went to fetch a sales person. When he came up to me I asked
  him for the xcrews I wanted, and he responded rather rudely, "You're looking
  at them."
  So I lifted up my white cane and said, "I'm sorry , sir, I can't see them."
  Even then he didn't get it. Not until my wife said, "That's why he carries
  a white cane."
  Suddenly the young man became very nice and very helpfully pulled the
  screws off the shelf and then located the ring shank nails I need for the
  underlayment. "Anything else I can help you with?"
  We went on without him, and did find another store employee who was very
  helpful in helping us locate the underlayment, plywood and masonite we
  needed.
  Twice, on previous visits to Menards I have had sales clerks ask if I needed
  to check my white cane. Perhaps it looks a bit like PVC. I told them I had
  already paid for it.
  What shopping stories do you have?
  Blessings,
  Tom

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people

[Betsy Whitney]

I lived and shopped in this town for nine years before my now husband 
arrived. All of a sudden the clerks in the stores started talking to 
him. I would hand them my credit card with my name on it which is 
Elizabeth, not easy to confuse with a male, and they would try to 
hand him the slip to sign. He asks, "Isn't it a felony to sign a 
credit card slip that isn't mine?"

Now, we have a system wherein when we go to a store he does what he 
calls "whistling dixie." If a clerk or sales person tries to talk 
with him, he just walks away and starts whistling until I'm finished.

One of the other things the clerks did was try to give him my change 
when I paid cash for something. I would ask, "Why is it that the 
money came out of my purse and you're giving him my change? As many 
times as I have seen him pay for things, not once have you ever tried 
to give me his change..."

At 05:53 PM 11/16/2008, you wrote:

>Friends of the order of the Nailing Apron,
>You've probably had experiences similar to mine when I visited Menards
>yesterday. We picked up supplies to upgrade the kitchen. With the new
>furnace the chimney is no longer in use. By taking it out I can adde 24
>inches of upper and lower cabinets and countertop. Then we'll upgrade to
>new lights, and llay new vinyl flooring.
>So I needed some screws. It's hard for even my wife the find the ones I
>want (3 inch, all purpose with a square drive). So I stood in the screw
>aisle while she went to fetch a sales person. When he came up to me I asked
>him for the xcrews I wanted, and he responded rather rudely, "You're looking
>at them."
>So I lifted up my white cane and said, "I'm sorry , sir, I can't see them."
>Even then he didn't get it. Not until my wife said, "That's why he carries
>a white cane."
>Suddenly the young man became very nice and very helpfully pulled the
>screws off the shelf and then located the ring shank nails I need for the
>underlayment. "Anything else I can help you with?"
>We went on without him, and did find another store employee who was very
>helpful in helping us locate the underlayment, plywood and masonite we
>needed.
>Twice, on previous visits to Menards I have had sales clerks ask if I needed
>to check my white cane. Perhaps it looks a bit like PVC. I told them I had
>already paid for it.
>What shopping stories do you have?
>Blessings,
>Tom
>
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>
>


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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Gel Versus Soy Candles?

[Betsy Whitney]

Claudia,
It's what they are made from. The gel tends to last longer, but make 
sure they are in a safe place and that the surface you put them on 
won't melt if it gets hot. I understand the gel candle containers are 
better than they used to be, and they won't shatter when they get hot 
like they did when they first came out.
Betsy
At 12:07 PM 11/16/2008, you wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Does anyone know the difference between gel and soy candles?
>I was just given a set of candles, but I really don't know the differences?
>I'm assuming they burn differently?
>Thanks.
>
>Claudia
>
>Join either of my groups; the first is for visually-impaired women, while
>the other is for people wishing to discuss homemaking issues.
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people

[David Ferrin]

I'm quite sure we all have had experiences good and bad in dealing with the 
public. The secret service didn't want me to use my cane in the white house 
when we went for a tore in 1997. Never the less suffice it to say you're 
going to find such dopes in the most unlikely places even doctor's offices 
to mention yet another location. My point is it's fine if you folks wish to 
share or more accurately vent a bit, but let's not drag it out too long is 
all I ask. Personally I can't stand it when a sales clerk won't speak to me 
choosing instead to discuss things with the person I'm with at the time. It 
does make it difficult for them when I'm alone in the store or should I say 
uncomfortable.
David Ferrin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Think like a man of action, and act like a man of thought.
- Original Message - 
From: "Betsy Whitney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people


>I lived and shopped in this town for nine years before my now husband
> arrived. All of a sudden the clerks in the stores started talking to
> him. I would hand them my credit card with my name on it which is
> Elizabeth, not easy to confuse with a male, and they would try to
> hand him the slip to sign. He asks, "Isn't it a felony to sign a
> credit card slip that isn't mine?"
>
> Now, we have a system wherein when we go to a store he does what he
> calls "whistling dixie." If a clerk or sales person tries to talk
> with him, he just walks away and starts whistling until I'm finished.
>
> One of the other things the clerks did was try to give him my change
> when I paid cash for something. I would ask, "Why is it that the
> money came out of my purse and you're giving him my change? As many
> times as I have seen him pay for things, not once have you ever tried
> to give me his change..."
>
> At 05:53 PM 11/16/2008, you wrote:
>
>>Friends of the order of the Nailing Apron,
>>You've probably had experiences similar to mine when I visited Menards
>>yesterday. We picked up supplies to upgrade the kitchen. With the new
>>furnace the chimney is no longer in use. By taking it out I can adde 24
>>inches of upper and lower cabinets and countertop. Then we'll upgrade to
>>new lights, and llay new vinyl flooring.
>>So I needed some screws. It's hard for even my wife the find the ones I
>>want (3 inch, all purpose with a square drive). So I stood in the screw
>>aisle while she went to fetch a sales person. When he came up to me I 
>>asked
>>him for the xcrews I wanted, and he responded rather rudely, "You're 
>>looking
>>at them."
>>So I lifted up my white cane and said, "I'm sorry , sir, I can't see 
>>them."
>>Even then he didn't get it. Not until my wife said, "That's why he carries
>>a white cane."
>>Suddenly the young man became very nice and very helpfully pulled the
>>screws off the shelf and then located the ring shank nails I need for the
>>underlayment. "Anything else I can help you with?"
>>We went on without him, and did find another store employee who was very
>>helpful in helping us locate the underlayment, plywood and masonite we
>>needed.
>>Twice, on previous visits to Menards I have had sales clerks ask if I 
>>needed
>>to check my white cane. Perhaps it looks a bit like PVC. I told them I had
>>already paid for it.
>>What shopping stories do you have?
>>Blessings,
>>Tom
>>
>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
>
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>
>
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people

[Lee A. Stone]

David, If I may. only one store that I know has  actual training  to 
work with  folks with all sorts  of disabilities  and that is Home 
Depot we know the woman who help write the training manuel.  So all of 
us in our own way, if needed can continue to educate the public. Lee


 On 
Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 
07:17:57AM -0500, 
David Ferrin wrote:
> I'm quite sure we all have had experiences good and bad in dealing with the 
> public. The secret service didn't want me to use my cane in the white house 
> when we went for a tore in 1997. Never the less suffice it to say you're 
> going to find such dopes in the most unlikely places even doctor's offices 
> to mention yet another location. My point is it's fine if you folks wish to 
> share or more accurately vent a bit, but let's not drag it out too long is 
> all I ask. Personally I can't stand it when a sales clerk won't speak to me 
> choosing instead to discuss things with the person I'm with at the time. It 
> does make it difficult for them when I'm alone in the store or should I say 
> uncomfortable.
> David Ferrin
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Think like a man of action, and act like a man of thought.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Betsy Whitney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 7:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people
> 
> 
> >I lived and shopped in this town for nine years before my now husband
> > arrived. All of a sudden the clerks in the stores started talking to
> > him. I would hand them my credit card with my name on it which is
> > Elizabeth, not easy to confuse with a male, and they would try to
> > hand him the slip to sign. He asks, "Isn't it a felony to sign a
> > credit card slip that isn't mine?"
> >
> > Now, we have a system wherein when we go to a store he does what he
> > calls "whistling dixie." If a clerk or sales person tries to talk
> > with him, he just walks away and starts whistling until I'm finished.
> >
> > One of the other things the clerks did was try to give him my change
> > when I paid cash for something. I would ask, "Why is it that the
> > money came out of my purse and you're giving him my change? As many
> > times as I have seen him pay for things, not once have you ever tried
> > to give me his change..."
> >
> > At 05:53 PM 11/16/2008, you wrote:
> >
> >>Friends of the order of the Nailing Apron,
> >>You've probably had experiences similar to mine when I visited Menards
> >>yesterday. We picked up supplies to upgrade the kitchen. With the new
> >>furnace the chimney is no longer in use. By taking it out I can adde 24
> >>inches of upper and lower cabinets and countertop. Then we'll upgrade to
> >>new lights, and llay new vinyl flooring.
> >>So I needed some screws. It's hard for even my wife the find the ones I
> >>want (3 inch, all purpose with a square drive). So I stood in the screw
> >>aisle while she went to fetch a sales person. When he came up to me I 
> >>asked
> >>him for the xcrews I wanted, and he responded rather rudely, "You're 
> >>looking
> >>at them."
> >>So I lifted up my white cane and said, "I'm sorry , sir, I can't see 
> >>them."
> >>Even then he didn't get it. Not until my wife said, "That's why he carries
> >>a white cane."
> >>Suddenly the young man became very nice and very helpfully pulled the
> >>screws off the shelf and then located the ring shank nails I need for the
> >>underlayment. "Anything else I can help you with?"
> >>We went on without him, and did find another store employee who was very
> >>helpful in helping us locate the underlayment, plywood and masonite we
> >>needed.
> >>Twice, on previous visits to Menards I have had sales clerks ask if I 
> >>needed
> >>to check my white cane. Perhaps it looks a bit like PVC. I told them I had
> >>already paid for it.
> >>What shopping stories do you have?
> >>Blessings,
> >>Tom
> >>
> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people

[David Ferrin]

I had a lady at a doctor's office that couldn't understand why I refused to 
fill out the form she was handing me at the time. I told the nurse after 
that the people at the front desk need to get a grip on reality.
David Ferrin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Think like a man of action, and act like a man of thought.
- Original Message - 
From: "Lee A. Stone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people


>
> David, If I may. only one store that I know has  actual training  to
> work with  folks with all sorts  of disabilities  and that is Home
> Depot we know the woman who help write the training manuel.  So all of
> us in our own way, if needed can continue to educate the public. Lee
>
>
> On
> Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at
> 07:17:57AM -0500,
> David Ferrin wrote:
>> I'm quite sure we all have had experiences good and bad in dealing with 
>> the
>> public. The secret service didn't want me to use my cane in the white 
>> house
>> when we went for a tore in 1997. Never the less suffice it to say you're
>> going to find such dopes in the most unlikely places even doctor's 
>> offices
>> to mention yet another location. My point is it's fine if you folks wish 
>> to
>> share or more accurately vent a bit, but let's not drag it out too long 
>> is
>> all I ask. Personally I can't stand it when a sales clerk won't speak to 
>> me
>> choosing instead to discuss things with the person I'm with at the time. 
>> It
>> does make it difficult for them when I'm alone in the store or should I 
>> say
>> uncomfortable.
>> David Ferrin
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Think like a man of action, and act like a man of thought.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Betsy Whitney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 7:06 AM
>> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people
>>
>>
>> >I lived and shopped in this town for nine years before my now husband
>> > arrived. All of a sudden the clerks in the stores started talking to
>> > him. I would hand them my credit card with my name on it which is
>> > Elizabeth, not easy to confuse with a male, and they would try to
>> > hand him the slip to sign. He asks, "Isn't it a felony to sign a
>> > credit card slip that isn't mine?"
>> >
>> > Now, we have a system wherein when we go to a store he does what he
>> > calls "whistling dixie." If a clerk or sales person tries to talk
>> > with him, he just walks away and starts whistling until I'm finished.
>> >
>> > One of the other things the clerks did was try to give him my change
>> > when I paid cash for something. I would ask, "Why is it that the
>> > money came out of my purse and you're giving him my change? As many
>> > times as I have seen him pay for things, not once have you ever tried
>> > to give me his change..."
>> >
>> > At 05:53 PM 11/16/2008, you wrote:
>> >
>> >>Friends of the order of the Nailing Apron,
>> >>You've probably had experiences similar to mine when I visited Menards
>> >>yesterday. We picked up supplies to upgrade the kitchen. With the new
>> >>furnace the chimney is no longer in use. By taking it out I can adde 24
>> >>inches of upper and lower cabinets and countertop. Then we'll upgrade 
>> >>to
>> >>new lights, and llay new vinyl flooring.
>> >>So I needed some screws. It's hard for even my wife the find the ones I
>> >>want (3 inch, all purpose with a square drive). So I stood in the screw
>> >>aisle while she went to fetch a sales person. When he came up to me I
>> >>asked
>> >>him for the xcrews I wanted, and he responded rather rudely, "You're
>> >>looking
>> >>at them."
>> >>So I lifted up my white cane and said, "I'm sorry , sir, I can't see
>> >>them."
>> >>Even then he didn't get it. Not until my wife said, "That's why he 
>> >>carries
>> >>a white cane."
>> >>Suddenly the young man became very nice and very helpfully pulled the
>> >>screws off the shelf and then located the ring shank nails I need for 
>> >>the
>> >>underlayment. "Anything else I can help you with?"
>> >>We went on without him, and did find another store employee who was 
>> >>very
>> >>helpful in helping us locate the underlayment, plywood and masonite we
>> >>needed.
>> >>Twice, on previous visits to Menards I have had sales clerks ask if I
>> >>needed
>> >>to check my white cane. Perhaps it looks a bit like PVC. I told them I 
>> >>had
>> >>already paid for it.
>> >>What shopping stories do you have?
>> >>Blessings,
>> >>Tom
>> >>
>> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
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>> > Or
>> > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/
>> >
>> > The Pod Cast 

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people

[Lenny McHugh]

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people

[Lee A. Stone]

> > >>Suddenly the young man became very nice and very helpfully pulled the
> > >>screws off the shelf and then located the ring shank nails I need for 
> > >>the
> > >>underlayment. "Anything else I can help you with?"
> > >>We went on without him, and did find another store employee who was very
> > >>helpful in helping us locate the underlayment, plywood and masonite we
> > >>needed.
> > >>Twice, on previous visits to Menards I have had sales clerks ask if I
> > >>needed
> > >>to check my white cane. Perhaps it looks a bit like PVC. I told them I 
> > >>had
> > >>already paid for it.
> > >>What shopping stories do you have?
> > >>Blessings,
> > >>Tom
> > >>
> > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
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> > > Or
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> 
> -- 
> You should not use your fireplace, because scientists now believe that,
> contrary to popular opinion, fireplaces actually remove heat from houses.
> Really, that's what scientists believe.  In fact many scientists actually
> use their fireplaces to cool their houses in the summer.  If you visit a
> scientist's house on a sultry August day, you'll find a cheerful fire
> roaring on the hearth and the scientist sitting nearby, remarking on how
> cool he is and drinking heavily.
> -- Dave Barry, "Postpetroleum Guzzler"
> Come and chat with me at #quietzone on irc.newnet.net
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is.
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contrary to popular opinion, fireplaces actually remove heat from houses.
Really, that's what scientists believe.  In fact many scientists actually
use their fireplaces to cool their houses in the summer.  If you visit a
scientist's house on a sultry August day, you'll find a cheerful fire
roaring on the hearth and the scientist sitting nearby, remarking on how
cool he is and drinking heavily.
-- Dave Barry, "Postpetroleum Guzzler"
Come and chat with me at #quietzone on irc.newnet.net

RE: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people

[Larry Stansifer]

>underlayment. "Anything else I can help you with?"
> >>We went on without him, and did find another store employee who was very
> >>helpful in helping us locate the underlayment, plywood and masonite we
> >>needed.
> >>Twice, on previous visits to Menards I have had sales clerks ask if I
> >>needed
> >>to check my white cane. Perhaps it looks a bit like PVC. I told them I 
> >>had
> >>already paid for it.
> >>What shopping stories do you have?
> >>Blessings,
> >>Tom
> >>
> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > 
> >
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> >
> >
>

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contrary to popular opinion, fireplaces actually remove heat from houses.
Really, that's what scientists believe.  In fact many scientists actually
use their fireplaces to cool their houses in the summer.  If you visit a
scientist's house on a sultry August day, you'll find a cheerful fire
roaring on the hearth and the scientist sitting nearby, remarking on how
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people

[Rob Monitor]

rries
  > >>a white cane."
  > >>Suddenly the young man became very nice and very helpfully pulled the
  > >>screws off the shelf and then located the ring shank nails I need for 
  > >>the
  > >>underlayment. "Anything else I can help you with?"
  > >>We went on without him, and did find another store employee who was very
  > >>helpful in helping us locate the underlayment, plywood and masonite we
  > >>needed.
  > >>Twice, on previous visits to Menards I have had sales clerks ask if I
  > >>needed
  > >>to check my white cane. Perhaps it looks a bit like PVC. I told them I 
  > >>had
  > >>already paid for it.
  > >>What shopping stories do you have?
  > >>Blessings,
  > >>Tom
  > >>
  > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  > >>
  > >>
  > >
  > >
  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  > >
  > >
  > > 
  > >
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  > > Various
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  You should not use your fireplace, because scientists now believe that,
  contrary to popular opinion, fireplaces actually remove heat from houses.
  Really, that's what scientists believe. In fact many scientists actually
  use their fireplaces to cool their houses in the summer. If you visit a
  scientist's house on a sultry August day, you'll find a cheerful fire
  roaring on the hearth and the scientist sitting nearby, remarking on how
  cool he is and drinking heavily.
  -- Dave Barry, "Postpetroleum Guzzler"
  Come and chat with me at #quietzone on irc.newnet.net

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RE: [BlindHandyMan] keyboard grease?

[Gary Hale]

I had the same problem a while back and found this article on cleaning
sticky keys:

http://tinyurl.com/5dbgq4

Gary

> -Original Message-
> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> Behalf Of cheetah
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 10:57 AM
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] keyboard grease?
> 
> hi, the right most enter key on my keyboard is sticking.
> I have cleaned the keyboard about 3 weeks ago and had that key off because
it was
> sticking then also.
> when I had it off I noticed some grease in the key cap.
> I moved some of that around and it worked good till today.
> any idea what kind of grease it may be?
> and yes I did google keyboard grease and found many silly answers.
> thanks
> Jim

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people

[Scott Howell]

gt; > >>want (3 inch, all purpose with a square drive). So I stood in  
> the screw
> > > >>aisle while she went to fetch a sales person. When he came up  
> to me I
> > > >>asked
> > > >>him for the xcrews I wanted, and he responded rather rudely,  
> "You're
> > > >>looking
> > > >>at them."
> > > >>So I lifted up my white cane and said, "I'm sorry , sir, I  
> can't see
> > > >>them."
> > > >>Even then he didn't get it. Not until my wife said, "That's  
> why he
> > > >>carries
> > > >>a white cane."
> > > >>Suddenly the young man became very nice and very helpfully  
> pulled the
> > > >>screws off the shelf and then located the ring shank nails I  
> need for
> > > >>the
> > > >>underlayment. "Anything else I can help you with?"
> > > >>We went on without him, and did find another store employee  
> who was very
> > > >>helpful in helping us locate the underlayment, plywood and  
> masonite we
> > > >>needed.
> > > >>Twice, on previous visits to Menards I have had sales clerks  
> ask if I
> > > >>needed
> > > >>to check my white cane. Perhaps it looks a bit like PVC. I  
> told them I
> > > >>had
> > > >>already paid for it.
> > > >>What shopping stories do you have?
> > > >>Blessings,
> > > >>Tom
> > > >>
> > > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> > contrary to popular opinion, fireplaces actually remove heat from  
> houses.
> > Really, that's what scientists believe. In fact many scientists  
> actually
> > use their fireplaces to cool their houses in the summer. If you  
> visit a
> > scientist's house on a sultry August day, you'll find a cheerful  
> fire
> > roaring on the hearth and the scientist sitting nearby, remarking  
> on how
> > cool he is and drinking heavily.
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> You should not use your fireplace, because scientists now believe  
> that,
> contrary to popular opinion, fireplaces actually remove heat from  
> houses.
> Really, that's what scientists believe. In fact many scientists  
> actually
> use their fireplaces to cool their houses in the summer. If you  
> visit a
> scientist's house on a sultry August day, you'll find a cheerful fire
> roaring on the hearth and the scientist sitting nearby, remarking on  
> how
> cool he is and drinking heavily.
> -- Dave Barry, "Postpetroleum Guzzler"
> Come and chat with me at #quietzone on irc.newnet.net
>
> 

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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people

[Gary Hale]

I've noticed that when most  people see me walking with the cane, they tend
to recognize it for what it is. Often, they don't recognize or understand
the cane's significance when they  find me standing with it. 

However, there's no excuse for the way some of you were treated when the
person knew exactly what the cane represented. 

I try to be understanding, but there have been many times when I visualized
my cane being used as a suppository. 

Gary in TX

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people

[Bill Stephan]

g Apron,
> > > >>You've probably had experiences similar to mine when I visited  
> Menards
> > > >>yesterday. We picked up supplies to upgrade the kitchen. With  
> the new
> > > >>furnace the chimney is no longer in use. By taking it out I  
> can adde 24
> > > >>inches of upper and lower cabinets and countertop. Then we'll  
> upgrade to
> > > >>new lights, and llay new vinyl flooring.
> > > >>So I needed some screws. It's hard for even my wife the find  
> the ones I
> > > >>want (3 inch, all purpose with a square drive). So I stood in  
> the screw
> > > >>aisle while she went to fetch a sales person. When he came up  
> to me I
> > > >>asked
> > > >>him for the xcrews I wanted, and he responded rather rudely,  
> "You're
> > > >>looking
> > > >>at them."
> > > >>So I lifted up my white cane and said, "I'm sorry , sir, I  
> can't see
> > > >>them."
> > > >>Even then he didn't get it. Not until my wife said, "That's  
> why he
> > > >>carries
> > > >>a white cane."
> > > >>Suddenly the young man became very nice and very helpfully  
> pulled the
> > > >>screws off the shelf and then located the ring shank nails I  
> need for
> > > >>the
> > > >>underlayment. "Anything else I can help you with?"
> > > >>We went on without him, and did find another store employee  
> who was very
> > > >>helpful in helping us locate the underlayment, plywood and  
> masonite we
> > > >>needed.
> > > >>Twice, on previous visits to Menards I have had sales clerks  
> ask if I
> > > >>needed
> > > >>to check my white cane. Perhaps it looks a bit like PVC. I  
> told them I
> > > >>had
> > > >>already paid for it.
> > > >>What shopping stories do you have?
> > > >>Blessings,
> > > >>Tom
> > > >>
> > > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is.
> > > > http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday
> > > >
> > > > Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions  
> From
> > > > Various
> > > > List Members At The Following address:
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> > --
> > You should not use your fireplace, because scientists now believe  
> that,
> > contrary to popular opinion, fireplaces actually remove heat from  
> houses.
> > Really, that's what scientists believe. In fact many scientists  
> actually
> > use their fireplaces to cool their houses in the summer. If you  
> visit a
> > scientist's house on a sultry August day, you'll find a cheerful  
> fire
> > roaring on the hearth and the scientist sitting nearby, remarking  
> on how
> > cool he is and drinking heavily.
> > -- Dave Barry, "Postpetroleum Guzzler"
> > Come and chat with me at #quietzone on irc.newnet.net
> >
> > 
> >
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> >
> > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is.
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> > Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From  
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>
> -- 
> You should not use your fireplace, because scientists now believe  
> that,
> contrary to popular opinion, fireplaces actually remove heat from  
> houses.
> Really, that's what scientists believe. In fact many scientists  
> actually
> use their fireplaces to cool their houses in the summer. If you  
> visit a
> scientist's house on a sultry August day, you'll find a cheerful fire
> roaring on the hearth and the scientist sitting nearby, remarking on  
> how
> cool he is and drinking heavily.
> -- Dave Barry, "Postpetroleum Guzzler"
> Come and chat with me at #quietzone on irc.newnet.net
>
> 

Scott Howell
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people

[Bill Stephan]

s and countertop. Then we'll  
> upgrade to
> > > >>new lights, and llay new vinyl flooring.
> > > >>So I needed some screws. It's hard for even my wife the find  
> the ones I
> > > >>want (3 inch, all purpose with a square drive). So I stood in  
> the screw
> > > >>aisle while she went to fetch a sales person. When he came up  
> to me I
> > > >>asked
> > > >>him for the xcrews I wanted, and he responded rather rudely,  
> "You're
> > > >>looking
> > > >>at them."
> > > >>So I lifted up my white cane and said, "I'm sorry , sir, I  
> can't see
> > > >>them."
> > > >>Even then he didn't get it. Not until my wife said, "That's  
> why he
> > > >>carries
> > > >>a white cane."
> > > >>Suddenly the young man became very nice and very helpfully  
> pulled the
> > > >>screws off the shelf and then located the ring shank nails I  
> need for
> > > >>the
> > > >>underlayment. "Anything else I can help you with?"
> > > >>We went on without him, and did find another store employee  
> who was very
> > > >>helpful in helping us locate the underlayment, plywood and  
> masonite we
> > > >>needed.
> > > >>Twice, on previous visits to Menards I have had sales clerks  
> ask if I
> > > >>needed
> > > >>to check my white cane. Perhaps it looks a bit like PVC. I  
> told them I
> > > >>had
> > > >>already paid for it.
> > > >>What shopping stories do you have?
> > > >>Blessings,
> > > >>Tom
> > > >>
> > > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > Send any questions regarding list management to:
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> > > > Or
> > > > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/
> > > >
> > > > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is.
> > > > http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday
> > > >
> > > > Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions  
> From
> > > > Various
> > > > List Members At The Following address:
> > > > http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/
> > > >
> > > > Visit the archives page at the following address
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> > >
> >
> > --
> > You should not use your fireplace, because scientists now believe  
> that,
> > contrary to popular opinion, fireplaces actually remove heat from  
> houses.
> > Really, that's what scientists believe. In fact many scientists  
> actually
> > use their fireplaces to cool their houses in the summer. If you  
> visit a
> > scientist's house on a sultry August day, you'll find a cheerful  
> fire
> > roaring on the hearth and the scientist sitting nearby, remarking  
> on how
> > cool he is and drinking heavily.
> > -- Dave Barry, "Postpetroleum Guzzler"
> > Come and chat with me at #quietzone on irc.newnet.net
> >
> > 
> >
> > Send any questions regarding list management to:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > Or
> > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/
> >
> > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is.
> > http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday
> >
> > Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From  
> Various
> > List Members At The Following address:
> > http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/
> >
> > Visit the archives page at the following address
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/
> >
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> -- 
> You should not use your fireplace, because scientists now believe  
> that,
> contrary to popular opinion, fireplaces actually remove heat from  
> houses.
> Really, that's what scientists believe. In fact many scientists  
> actually
> use their fireplaces to cool their houses in the summer. If you  
> visit a
> scientist's house on a sultry August day, you'll find a cheerful fire
> roaring on the hearth and the scientist sitting nearby, remarking on  
> how
> cool he is and drinking heavily.
> -- Dave Barry, "Postpetroleum Guzzler"
> Come and chat with me at #quietzone on irc.newnet.net
>
> 

Scott Howell
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] keyboard grease?

[cheetah]

thanks gary, i'll give that a try
jim


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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people

[Bob Kennedy]

I'm surprised they didn't tell you that you were supposed to bring someone with 
you to take care of paperwork.  I've been told that in a doctors office.  
Unfortunately I have a way of being understood or at least left alone.  I asked 
them if I was supposed to bring someone along to pay for the visit too.  
Because if I had to supply someone for the paperwork then I wasn't paying the 
doctor.  They came around pretty quick.
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Ferrin 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 10:20 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people


  I had a lady at a doctor's office that couldn't understand why I refused to 
  fill out the form she was handing me at the time. I told the nurse after 
  that the people at the front desk need to get a grip on reality.
  David Ferrin
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Think like a man of action, and act like a man of thought.
  - Original Message - 
  From: "Lee A. Stone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: 
  Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:41 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people

  >
  > David, If I may. only one store that I know has actual training to
  > work with folks with all sorts of disabilities and that is Home
  > Depot we know the woman who help write the training manuel. So all of
  > us in our own way, if needed can continue to educate the public. Lee
  >
  >
  > On
  > Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at
  > 07:17:57AM -0500,
  > David Ferrin wrote:
  >> I'm quite sure we all have had experiences good and bad in dealing with 
  >> the
  >> public. The secret service didn't want me to use my cane in the white 
  >> house
  >> when we went for a tore in 1997. Never the less suffice it to say you're
  >> going to find such dopes in the most unlikely places even doctor's 
  >> offices
  >> to mention yet another location. My point is it's fine if you folks wish 
  >> to
  >> share or more accurately vent a bit, but let's not drag it out too long 
  >> is
  >> all I ask. Personally I can't stand it when a sales clerk won't speak to 
  >> me
  >> choosing instead to discuss things with the person I'm with at the time. 
  >> It
  >> does make it difficult for them when I'm alone in the store or should I 
  >> say
  >> uncomfortable.
  >> David Ferrin
  >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  >> Think like a man of action, and act like a man of thought.
  >> - Original Message - 
  >> From: "Betsy Whitney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  >> To: 
  >> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 7:06 AM
  >> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people
  >>
  >>
  >> >I lived and shopped in this town for nine years before my now husband
  >> > arrived. All of a sudden the clerks in the stores started talking to
  >> > him. I would hand them my credit card with my name on it which is
  >> > Elizabeth, not easy to confuse with a male, and they would try to
  >> > hand him the slip to sign. He asks, "Isn't it a felony to sign a
  >> > credit card slip that isn't mine?"
  >> >
  >> > Now, we have a system wherein when we go to a store he does what he
  >> > calls "whistling dixie." If a clerk or sales person tries to talk
  >> > with him, he just walks away and starts whistling until I'm finished.
  >> >
  >> > One of the other things the clerks did was try to give him my change
  >> > when I paid cash for something. I would ask, "Why is it that the
  >> > money came out of my purse and you're giving him my change? As many
  >> > times as I have seen him pay for things, not once have you ever tried
  >> > to give me his change..."
  >> >
  >> > At 05:53 PM 11/16/2008, you wrote:
  >> >
  >> >>Friends of the order of the Nailing Apron,
  >> >>You've probably had experiences similar to mine when I visited Menards
  >> >>yesterday. We picked up supplies to upgrade the kitchen. With the new
  >> >>furnace the chimney is no longer in use. By taking it out I can adde 24
  >> >>inches of upper and lower cabinets and countertop. Then we'll upgrade 
  >> >>to
  >> >>new lights, and llay new vinyl flooring.
  >> >>So I needed some screws. It's hard for even my wife the find the ones I
  >> >>want (3 inch, all purpose with a square drive). So I stood in the screw
  >> >>aisle while she went to fetch a sales person. When he came up to me I
  >> >>asked
  >> >>him for the xcrews I wanted, and he responded rather rudely, "You're
  >> >>looking
  >> >>at them."
  >> >>So I lifted up my white cane and said, "I'm sorry , sir, I can't see
  >> >>them."
  >> >>Even then he didn't get it. Not until my wife said, "That's why he 
  >> >>carries
  >> >>a white cane."
  >> >>Suddenly the young man became very nice and very helpfully pulled the
  >> >>screws off the shelf and then located the ring shank nails I need for 
  >> >>the
  >> >>underlayment. "Anything else I can help you with?"
  >> >>We went on without him, and did find another store employee who was 
  >> >>very
  >> >>helpful in helping us locate the underlayment, plywood and masonite we
  >> >

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people

[Bob Kennedy]

te cane and said, "I'm sorry , sir, I can't see
  > >>them."
  > >>Even then he didn't get it. Not until my wife said, "That's why he 
  > >>carries
  > >>a white cane."
  > >>Suddenly the young man became very nice and very helpfully pulled the
  > >>screws off the shelf and then located the ring shank nails I need for 
  > >>the
  > >>underlayment. "Anything else I can help you with?"
  > >>We went on without him, and did find another store employee who was very
  > >>helpful in helping us locate the underlayment, plywood and masonite we
  > >>needed.
  > >>Twice, on previous visits to Menards I have had sales clerks ask if I
  > >>needed
  > >>to check my white cane. Perhaps it looks a bit like PVC. I told them I 
  > >>had
  > >>already paid for it.
  > >>What shopping stories do you have?
  > >>Blessings,
  > >>Tom
  > >>
  > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  > >>
  > >>
  > >
  > >
  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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  > >
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  > > p=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29
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  > > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/
  > >
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people

[Larry Stansifer]

ower cabinets and countertop. 
  > >>Then we'll upgrade to new lights, and llay new vinyl flooring. So I 
  > >>needed some screws. It's hard for even my wife the find the ones I 
  > >>want (3 inch, all purpose with a square drive). So I stood in the 
  > >>screw aisle while she went to fetch a sales person. When he came up 
  > >>to me I asked him for the xcrews I wanted, and he responded rather 
  > >>rudely, "You're looking
  > >>at them."
  > >>So I lifted up my white cane and said, "I'm sorry , sir, I can't see
  > >>them."
  > >>Even then he didn't get it. Not until my wife said, "That's why he 
  > >>carries
  > >>a white cane."
  > >>Suddenly the young man became very nice and very helpfully pulled the
  > >>screws off the shelf and then located the ring shank nails I need for 
  > >>the
  > >>underlayment. "Anything else I can help you with?"
  > >>We went on without him, and did find another store employee who was
very
  > >>helpful in helping us locate the underlayment, plywood and masonite we
  > >>needed.
  > >>Twice, on previous visits to Menards I have had sales clerks ask if I
  > >>needed
  > >>to check my white cane. Perhaps it looks a bit like PVC. I told them I

  > >>had
  > >>already paid for it.
  > >>What shopping stories do you have?
  > >>Blessings,
  > >>Tom
  > >>
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  > >>
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  contrary to popular opinion, fireplaces actually remove heat from houses.
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  use their fireplaces to cool their houses in the summer. If you visit a
  scientist's house on a sultry August day, you'll find a cheerful fire
  roaring on the hearth and the scientist sitting nearby, remarking on how
  cool he is and drinking heavily.
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