Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
Hi Dave, I sort of suspected that would be a little normal. After all, we did only get a total of about 50 inches of snow or so and that is not including the snow we got just before Christmas. We certainly have gotten more snow than I can recall in all the years I've been living in this area. I mean I remember some pretty big storms back in my youth, but I don't think they quite were this large. grin. On Feb 20, 2010, at 10:07 PM, Dave Andrus wrote: Hi Scott, It does sound like you have insulated well. That is good. You are correct. There does need to be airflow and so not covering up the vents at the end was a good thing. Sometimes icicles do happen. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 1:42 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Hi, I could easily see how this is a problem. I just added insulation to my attic and it was R30, which was rolled out over what was already there. The way my attic is configured is that at the ends of the roof, there is an empty area, which I gather is called the eves. The reason why I say gather is because what is interesting to me and I can't compare this to any other roofs as I have not crawled into a tun of attics, but there are vented panels that are on the underside of the roof. These have no wood, they are instead open. What I mean is if you removed the panels, you would be able to put your hand directly into the attic and touch the underside of the roof. So, I did not put insulation clear to the edge, but instead took it out to just the point behind this open area because I did not want to block the airflow. So, I found some small ice sickles, which seem to be more likely water that may have run backward or maybe more accurately off the edge of the gutter and flowed back under the eve. I'm making an assumption here because the ice sickles just seem to be hanging there, not quite attached to a flow, other than what was coming down over the edge of the gutter. When I have the roof replaced at some point and I mean replaced, not reshingled, I will check into barriers etc. I have not gone into the attic to see what is going on and I probably should. So, far we have not noticed any water coming into the home and I did go up and tear off the leaf guard things and busted up a lot of the ice in the gutters. So, maybe this will help get things flowing properly. :) This has been the worst WInter I can recall. And imagine, it will apparently rain or snow some on MOnday, which should add insult to injury. On Feb 19, 2010, at 10:24 PM, Dave Andrus wrote: Hi everyone, I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When the sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you have ice dams and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can only happen from heat coming up from the rooms below. Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest you find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. Both here and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john schwery Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh and gets articles like this. text of forwarded message follows: Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19, 2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you don't want to hear someone say: Do nothing. Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents have for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams. If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that temperatures go up or down -- soon. Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us, said David Thomas of Thomas McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency. Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's expecting
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
I think I have now a total of 12 to 16 inches of insulation, but can't quite recall because I did not measure. I was so determine to get it down and get out that I forgot to measure, but it for sure is not less than 12 inches and probably a bit more than that. I purchased R30 insulation unfaced and added that on top of what was there and I have no idea what that stuff was because it probably is the original insulation installed when the house was built. I'm pretty certain it has helped this WInter in either case. If I didn't use some of my attic for storage, I would have done the blown-n method for sure. Good info to have, thanks. On Feb 20, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Dave Andrus wrote: Hi, I believe its 8 inches of bat insulation is r30. It does not hurt to have 36 to 40. this would be ganed by blowing in insulation. The company would factor the depth based on how much R factor you ask for. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Spiro Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 9:29 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! sorry, how many inches of fiberglass per R? So r30 is ? Congrats on your relocation. On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Bob Kennedy wrote: They suggest R30 in the attic here too but that's to keep the air conditioning in the house during the summer. Thank God there is not enough snow to worry about any longer. Those years in Buffalo still bring bad memories now and then... - Original Message - From: Dave Andrus To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:24 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Hi everyone, I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When the sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you have ice dams and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can only happen from heat coming up from the rooms below. Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest you find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. Both here and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of john schwery Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh and gets articles like this. text of forwarded message follows: Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19, 2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you don't want to hear someone say: Do nothing. Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents have for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams. If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that temperatures go up or down -- soon. Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us, said David Thomas of Thomas McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency. Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's expecting a lot more. As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge holds back water behind it. That water works its way through the shingles -- even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside the walls, damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring. So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop up the water you can see and maybe poke a hole in the wall or ceiling to drain what you can't see. Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters, said that about four days ago, he and his wife noticed water dripping down a window in the dining room of their 50-year-old home. Then, the same thing happened in their living room and two bedrooms. Since it was a little warmer today, it's getting heavier, he
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
Aloha everyone, This is Sheryl in Honolulu Hawaii. The only thing I can say about this subject which I find interesting is BUR!!! Have a great day. Aloha Sheryl t 12:28 AM 2/21/2010, you wrote: I think I have now a total of 12 to 16 inches of insulation, but can't quite recall because I did not measure. I was so determine to get it down and get out that I forgot to measure, but it for sure is not less than 12 inches and probably a bit more than that. I purchased R30 insulation unfaced and added that on top of what was there and I have no idea what that stuff was because it probably is the original insulation installed when the house was built. I'm pretty certain it has helped this WInter in either case. If I didn't use some of my attic for storage, I would have done the blown-n method for sure. Good info to have, thanks. On Feb 20, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Dave Andrus wrote: Hi, I believe its 8 inches of bat insulation is r30. It does not hurt to have 36 to 40. this would be ganed by blowing in insulation. The company would factor the depth based on how much R factor you ask for. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Spiro Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 9:29 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! sorry, how many inches of fiberglass per R? So r30 is ? Congrats on your relocation. On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Bob Kennedy wrote: They suggest R30 in the attic here too but that's to keep the air conditioning in the house during the summer. Thank God there is not enough snow to worry about any longer. Those years in Buffalo still bring bad memories now and then... - Original Message - From: Dave Andrus To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:24 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Hi everyone, I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When the sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you have ice dams and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can only happen from heat coming up from the rooms below. Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest you find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. Both here and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of john schwery Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh and gets articles like this. text of forwarded message follows: Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19, 2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you don't want to hear someone say: Do nothing. Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents have for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams. If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that temperatures go up or down -- soon. Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us, said David Thomas of Thomas McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency. Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's expecting a lot more. As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge holds back water behind it. That water works its way through the shingles -- even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside the walls, damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring. So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop up the water you can see and maybe poke a hole in the wall or ceiling to drain what you can't see. Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters,
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
Cheryl, The last thing those of us living in the Snow Belt need is to hear about this subject from the Pineapple Gallery!:-) Please note, for those of you unaware, the :-) is the emoticon symbolizing a smile. Holland's Person, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
Send some of that lovely heat over here would you please. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik billgal...@centurytel.net To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Cheryl, The last thing those of us living in the Snow Belt need is to hear about this subject from the Pineapple Gallery!:-) Please note, for those of you unaware, the :-) is the emoticon symbolizing a smile. Holland's Person, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
Yes I must agree with David, I don't understand this climate change. Watching some of the Olympics it has been colder here in the North East Pa. than Vancouver. Tomorrow were to get rain changing to snow, something new! - Original Message - From: David Ferrin d...@jaws-users.com To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Send some of that lovely heat over here would you please. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik billgal...@centurytel.net To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Cheryl, The last thing those of us living in the Snow Belt need is to hear about this subject from the Pineapple Gallery!:-) Please note, for those of you unaware, the :-) is the emoticon symbolizing a smile. Holland's Person, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ NOD32 4885 (20100221) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
so far there is dust on our roof rake lets keep it that way. one day closer to summer. L -- April 1 This is the day upon which we are reminded of what we are on the other three hundred and sixty-four. -- Mark Twain, Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar
[BlindHandyMan] my notions about gutters
Dear List Members: My gutters are rarely iced over, as Hillbilly country only gets snow in significant amounts about one out of three years. Listening to some of the posts relating to ice problems, I recall the heat tape which is used to wrap above ground water lines, here in this area. I am wondering how effective electrical heat tape would be to thaw the gutters and keep them running? I have also wondered about the feasibility of installing a light weight auger, similar to a widely spaced coil spring, which would be used to pull the material which ends up in the gutter, in to a grinder located at the end of the gutter at the down spout. I am enjoying the process of cleaning gutters less and less as I mature. It would be nice to simply hit a button to clean the gutters. Yours Truly, Clifford Wilson __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4885 (20100221) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] my notions about gutters
Aloha Clifford, Please hurry and invent such a cleaning system. I am way tired of gutter cleaning. Everytime I consider buying a gutter system such as a brush like thing that is supposed to let the water flow through it and the leaves sit on the top and eventually blow away, or some sort of covers, I hear so much about whether or not they work, that I haven't done anything about it. Betsy At 04:51 PM 2/21/2010, you wrote: Dear List Members: My gutters are rarely iced over, as Hillbilly country only gets snow in significant amounts about one out of three years. Listening to some of the posts relating to ice problems, I recall the heat tape which is used to wrap above ground water lines, here in this area. I am wondering how effective electrical heat tape would be to thaw the gutters and keep them running? I have also wondered about the feasibility of installing a light weight auger, similar to a widely spaced coil spring, which would be used to pull the material which ends up in the gutter, in to a grinder located at the end of the gutter at the down spout. I am enjoying the process of cleaning gutters less and less as I mature. It would be nice to simply hit a button to clean the gutters. Yours Truly, Clifford Wilson __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4885 (20100221) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.comhttp://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] my notions about gutters
Hi Clifford, Actually they do sell heat tapes for that purpose. On the back of my townhouse there is a tape that goes across the top roof down the downspout across the back roof and finally down that downspout. Most people that have them installed do not use them correctly. The most important time to use them is after sundown when some water from melting snow is still running and starting to freeze. This summer I will replace mine, I replace it every few years to prevent any other unwelcome problems. - Original Message - From: clifford cliff...@tds.net To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 9:51 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] my notions about gutters Dear List Members: My gutters are rarely iced over, as Hillbilly country only gets snow in significant amounts about one out of three years. Listening to some of the posts relating to ice problems, I recall the heat tape which is used to wrap above ground water lines, here in this area. I am wondering how effective electrical heat tape would be to thaw the gutters and keep them running? I have also wondered about the feasibility of installing a light weight auger, similar to a widely spaced coil spring, which would be used to pull the material which ends up in the gutter, in to a grinder located at the end of the gutter at the down spout. I am enjoying the process of cleaning gutters less and less as I mature. It would be nice to simply hit a button to clean the gutters. Yours Truly, Clifford Wilson __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4885 (20100221) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ NOD32 4885 (20100221) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: [BlindHandyMan] my notions about gutters
They do make heating tape for gutters and even to be snaked over the lower edge of the roof in an effort to control ice damming. I don't know of anyone who has installed it, it is far too cold here to be useful but I expect in more marginal areas it has it's uses. They sell long handled hose fittings something like a long crooked cane for washing out gutters from the ground. Unfortunately mine are over 14 feet in the air and though I had thought of constructing something that would reach I decided that is just too high, too long to be manipulated. Probably though they would work well on a single story house. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: clifford To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 9:51 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] my notions about gutters Dear List Members: My gutters are rarely iced over, as Hillbilly country only gets snow in significant amounts about one out of three years. Listening to some of the posts relating to ice problems, I recall the heat tape which is used to wrap above ground water lines, here in this area. I am wondering how effective electrical heat tape would be to thaw the gutters and keep them running? I have also wondered about the feasibility of installing a light weight auger, similar to a widely spaced coil spring, which would be used to pull the material which ends up in the gutter, in to a grinder located at the end of the gutter at the down spout. I am enjoying the process of cleaning gutters less and less as I mature. It would be nice to simply hit a button to clean the gutters. Yours Truly, Clifford Wilson __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4885 (20100221) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
