Re: [BlindHandyMan] FW: How much is a finger worth?

[Mike & Barbara Arcadia]

Hi List;

How much is your eye sight worth?  I lost my eyesight to medical 
malpractice.  What started as an abscessed wisdom tooth that resulted in 
gangrene.  It almost killed me but, in California the laws set limits on how 
much you can sue for in a medical malpractice lawsuit.  I don't much give a 
damn about how much a doctor has to pay in medmal insurance because when 
they totally screw up they just walk away and the person they totally 
screwed over is left holding the bag for the rest of their of life.  Yet, 
you get these dub ass lawsuits that win a plaintiff tons of money for the 
dumbest reasons!  This is a topic that I don't take lightly because of some 
of the stupid lawsuits like the ones mentioned about hot coffee and people 
trying to trim their hedges with a damn lawnmower!  All I am trying to say 
is that doctors, at times, should be held more accountable for their actions 
and this world needs a whole lot more common sense that more stupid laws 
that allow people to bring such frivalous lawsuits.  Okay, end of rant! 
Take care.
Mike

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Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 1:35 PM
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] FW: How much is a finger worth?


I thought this was interesting.



Shane



Feed: Productopia: The ConsumerSearch Blog
Posted on: Saturday, July 24, 2010 8:02 AM
Author: Catherine Jo Morgan
Subject: How much is a finger worth?




How about a hand? Do table saw 
  manufacturers have an 
obligation to use the safest technology available? The first jury to 
consider this question -- in a civil lawsuit against the maker of Ryobi 
table saws -- answered quite a definite "yes," to the tune of a 1.5 million 
dollar award 

 
to the plaintiff.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] FW: How much is a finger worth?

[Max Robinson]

Something is screwed up.  When I get to the page jaws starts reading a 
seemingly endless list of links.  When I try to jump to the heading by 
typing H I get the message the web page can't be displayed.  I pretty much 
get the idea from what people have said in their responses.  Why am I always 
the one who can't make it work?

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Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] FW: How much is a finger worth?


> Try
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> I didn't get anything relevant from any of those links. Would you care to
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>> How about a hand? Do table saw
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] FW: How much is a finger worth?

[Shane Hecker]

Try
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On Behalf Of Max Robinson
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I didn't get anything relevant from any of those links. Would you care to 
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Subject: [BlindHandyMan] FW: How much is a finger worth?

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> Feed: Productopia: The ConsumerSearch Blog
> Posted on: Saturday, July 24, 2010 8:02 AM
> Author: Catherine Jo Morgan
> Subject: How much is a finger worth?
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>
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> How about a hand? Do table saw 
>  manufacturers have an 
> obligation to use the safest technology available? The first jury to 
> consider this question -- in a civil lawsuit against the maker of Ryobi 
> table saws -- answered quite a definite "yes," to the tune of a 1.5 
> million dollar award 
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] FW: How much is a finger worth?

[Max Robinson]

I didn't get anything relevant from any of those links.  Would you care to 
post the article?

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- Original Message - 
From: "Shane Hecker" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 3:35 PM
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] FW: How much is a finger worth?


>I thought this was interesting.
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> Shane
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> Feed: Productopia: The ConsumerSearch Blog
> Posted on: Saturday, July 24, 2010 8:02 AM
> Author: Catherine Jo Morgan
> Subject: How much is a finger worth?
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>
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>
> How about a hand? Do table saw 
>   manufacturers have an 
> obligation to use the safest technology available? The first jury to 
> consider this question -- in a civil lawsuit against the maker of Ryobi 
> table saws -- answered quite a definite "yes," to the tune of a 1.5 
> million dollar award 
> 
>  
> to the plaintiff.
>
> read 
> 
>  
> more
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] FW: How much is a finger worth?

[Scott Howell]

I coudl not agree more. The safety devices were included for a reason and if 
you remove or disable them, you automatically assume responsibility for the 
risk of operating the device. In other words, once it has been proven you 
rendered the safety features inoperable, you should really not be able to 
request compensation from the manufacturer.
On Jul 24, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Bob Kennedy wrote:

> This is truly a disgusting reflection on the legal system. 
> 
> To reward some idiot for disabling any safety features that were available is 
> crazy.
> I've researched this case for an article I am helping write for another list 
> I'm on. For those that don't know the details, here are the important ones.
> 
> The guy was working for a hardwood flooring company. He was using a "bench 
> top" saw, not on a table or bench top, but on the floor.
> 
> Next, he was trying to run a piece of 3 quarter inch thick by 2 and a quarter 
> inches wide piece of oak wood through the blade of this saw without any 
> available safety devices.
> 
> If you read the instruction manual for any saw, they advise having the blade 
> set so the teeth are just above the surface of the wood being cut. 
> 
> Court papers show he had the blade set to 3 inches, almost 2 and a quarter 
> inches higher than recommended, and almost the limit for blade height on that 
> particular saw.
> 
> All table saw manufacturers recommend keeping the blade guard in place. This 
> one had been removed.
> 
> Anyone that uses a table saw knows the fence is required to make a straight 
> cut. The fence in this case was not on the saw either. The victim admitted in 
> court, both the blade guard and fence were not in place.
> 
> Finally, when he started the cut, he said the wood started to chatter so he 
> shut the saw down. He brushed the surface of the table clean and resumed his 
> cut. When the wood started chattering again, he started pushing harder, 
> completely opposite what you should do, and that is when his mishap occurred.
> 
> In the court papers, he admitted to having operated the saw while on one knee 
> on the floor. A completely off balance position.
> 
> It is important to note that the law suit doesn't involve the flooring 
> company this guy worked for. 
> 
> This is an attempt to mandate that all saws carry the blade break system in 
> place on the SawStop brand. 
> 
> The model saw used cost $159 from home Depot. A bench top saw is designed to 
> be lighter in weight, and is smaller so it can be used on a bench top. Adding 
> a blade brake would greatly increase the size of the saw, and probably make 
> it unsafe to sit on a bench. Not to mention the fact that you can forget 
> about $159 for a price. The same saw would most likely double in price if not 
> more.
> 
> If the congress really wants to do something productive, something that would 
> help all of us, they need to put a stop to law suits like this. Suing 
> McDonalds because you are fat, or because their coffee is too hot? 
> 
> When I owned a shop years ago, we were all terrified as business owners when 
> some jerk picked up a running lawn mower and tried to cut his hedges with it. 
> 
> This guy lost his finger tips but sued because there wasn't a warning label 
> saying a mower wasn't fit for trimming hedges. 
> 
> His win in this law suit put a whole company out of business. You can't 
> legislate against stupidity. If I use a machine designed to cut something as 
> hard as oak wood, I know it won't have a problem cutting my fingers or hand 
> off. 
> 
> If I take off the blade guard and fence and still try to cut wood, I deserve 
> any punishment the saw dishes out for being that stupid. 
> 
> Have a problem paying for health insurance? Paying claims like these are what 
> helps boost the cost. 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Shane Hecker 
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 4:35 PM
> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] FW: How much is a finger worth?
> 
> I thought this was interesting.
> 
> Shane
> 
> Feed: Productopia: The ConsumerSearch Blog
> Posted on: Saturday, July 24, 2010 8:02 AM
> Author: Catherine Jo Morgan
> Subject: How much is a finger worth?
> 
> How about a hand? Do table saw 
>  manufacturers have an 
> obligation to use the safest technology available? The first jury to consider 
> this question -- in a civil lawsuit against the maker of Ryobi table saws -- 
> answered quite a definite "yes," to the tune of a 1.5 million dollar award 
> 
>  to the plaintiff.
> 
> read 
> 
>  more
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 

RE: [BlindHandyMan] FW: How much is a finger worth?

[Cy Selfridge]

Bob,

I did forget part of what I was thinking.

In those type of law suits I think the plaintiff and his/her attorney should
have to split the cost of the defense's costs should the plaintiff lose.
That would make a lot of ambulance chasers think four or five times before
taking on a case.

It would cause the plaintiff's attorney to do a truly honest evaluation of
the legitimacy of the case.

I am a massage therapist and I have to carry 3 million in liability
malpractice insurance.

This does increase my operating costs. I know of several physicians whose
malpractice insurance runs them over $180,000 per year. Who do you suppose
actually pays for this?

There is a Denver attorney named Frank Azar who advertises on TV. The shots
show a horrid automobile accident and a (supposed) newscaster saying that
"this is a bad automobile accident" followed by a shot of an air medivac
taking off followed by a shot of Frankie boy and the newscaster saying
"Someone has called in Frank Azar" followed by a shot of good old Frankie at
the scene.

Now, if this is not ambulance chasing I do not know what might be.
(ROFLROFLROFL) 

 

Cy, The Anasazi 

 

 

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Bob Kennedy
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 5:39 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] FW: How much is a finger worth?

 

  

A jury is supposed to be made up of 12 of your piers. So there should have
been 12 woodworkers on the jury and they'd have finished the case in a day. 

I like the idea of having to pay legal costs if you lose. Adds some extra
consideration before finding a slick attorney and filing papers. 
- Original Message - 
From: Cy Selfridge 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com   
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 6:18 PM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] FW: How much is a finger worth?

Bob,

I could not agree with you more. These idiot law suits should be illegal
and, furthermore, when the plaintiff looses I am not sure that he should not
have to pay the legal costs involved in the defense. Man, that sure would
slow down some folks who know that it will cost the company or other person
a whole lot to defend themselves even though the case may be hopeless.

You are also correct, even if the saw had all of the available safety
equipment on it the moron would probably have disabled it as well. How the
Dickens did that goof win the case?

Cy, The anasazi 

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 ]
On Behalf Of Bob Kennedy
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 3:47 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com  
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] FW: How much is a finger worth?

This is truly a disgusting reflection on the legal system. 

To reward some idiot for disabling any safety features that were available
is crazy.
I've researched this case for an article I am helping write for another list
I'm on. For those that don't know the details, here are the important ones.

The guy was working for a hardwood flooring company. He was using a "bench
top" saw, not on a table or bench top, but on the floor.

Next, he was trying to run a piece of 3 quarter inch thick by 2 and a
quarter inches wide piece of oak wood through the blade of this saw without
any available safety devices.

If you read the instruction manual for any saw, they advise having the blade
set so the teeth are just above the surface of the wood being cut. 

Court papers show he had the blade set to 3 inches, almost 2 and a quarter
inches higher than recommended, and almost the limit for blade height on
that particular saw.

All table saw manufacturers recommend keeping the blade guard in place. This
one had been removed.

Anyone that uses a table saw knows the fence is required to make a straight
cut. The fence in this case was not on the saw either. The victim admitted
in court, both the blade guard and fence were not in place.

Finally, when he started the cut, he said the wood started to chatter so he
shut the saw down. He brushed the surface of the table clean and resumed his
cut. When the wood started chattering again, he started pushing harder,
completely opposite what you should do, and that is when his mishap
occurred.

In the court papers, he admitted to having operated the saw while on one
knee on the floor. A completely off balance position.

It is important to note that the law suit doesn't involve the flooring
company this guy worked for. 

This is an attempt to mandate that all saws carry the blade break system in
place on the SawStop brand. 

The model saw used cost $159 from home Depot. A bench top saw is designed to
be lighter in weight, and is smaller so it can be used on a bench top.
Adding a blade brake would greatly increase the size of the saw, and
probably make it unsafe to sit on a bench. Not to

[BlindHandyMan] talking multi meters

[Peter Mikochik]

hey electro heads

anyone know where  i can find a talking multimeter?
thnkx

Re: [BlindHandyMan] FW: How much is a finger worth?

[Bob Kennedy]

A jury is supposed to be made up of 12 of your piers.  So there should have 
been 12 woodworkers on the jury and they'd have finished the case in a day.  

I like the idea of having to pay legal costs if you lose.  Adds some extra 
consideration before finding a slick attorney and filing papers. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Cy Selfridge 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 6:18 PM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] FW: How much is a finger worth?



  Bob,

  I could not agree with you more. These idiot law suits should be illegal
  and, furthermore, when the plaintiff looses I am not sure that he should not
  have to pay the legal costs involved in the defense. Man, that sure would
  slow down some folks who know that it will cost the company or other person
  a whole lot to defend themselves even though the case may be hopeless.

  You are also correct, even if the saw had all of the available safety
  equipment on it the moron would probably have disabled it as well. How the
  Dickens did that goof win the case?

  Cy, The anasazi 

  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
  On Behalf Of Bob Kennedy
  Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 3:47 PM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] FW: How much is a finger worth?

  This is truly a disgusting reflection on the legal system. 

  To reward some idiot for disabling any safety features that were available
  is crazy.
  I've researched this case for an article I am helping write for another list
  I'm on. For those that don't know the details, here are the important ones.

  The guy was working for a hardwood flooring company. He was using a "bench
  top" saw, not on a table or bench top, but on the floor.

  Next, he was trying to run a piece of 3 quarter inch thick by 2 and a
  quarter inches wide piece of oak wood through the blade of this saw without
  any available safety devices.

  If you read the instruction manual for any saw, they advise having the blade
  set so the teeth are just above the surface of the wood being cut. 

  Court papers show he had the blade set to 3 inches, almost 2 and a quarter
  inches higher than recommended, and almost the limit for blade height on
  that particular saw.

  All table saw manufacturers recommend keeping the blade guard in place. This
  one had been removed.

  Anyone that uses a table saw knows the fence is required to make a straight
  cut. The fence in this case was not on the saw either. The victim admitted
  in court, both the blade guard and fence were not in place.

  Finally, when he started the cut, he said the wood started to chatter so he
  shut the saw down. He brushed the surface of the table clean and resumed his
  cut. When the wood started chattering again, he started pushing harder,
  completely opposite what you should do, and that is when his mishap
  occurred.

  In the court papers, he admitted to having operated the saw while on one
  knee on the floor. A completely off balance position.

  It is important to note that the law suit doesn't involve the flooring
  company this guy worked for. 

  This is an attempt to mandate that all saws carry the blade break system in
  place on the SawStop brand. 

  The model saw used cost $159 from home Depot. A bench top saw is designed to
  be lighter in weight, and is smaller so it can be used on a bench top.
  Adding a blade brake would greatly increase the size of the saw, and
  probably make it unsafe to sit on a bench. Not to mention the fact that you
  can forget about $159 for a price. The same saw would most likely double in
  price if not more.

  If the congress really wants to do something productive, something that
  would help all of us, they need to put a stop to law suits like this. Suing
  McDonalds because you are fat, or because their coffee is too hot? 

  When I owned a shop years ago, we were all terrified as business owners when
  some jerk picked up a running lawn mower and tried to cut his hedges with
  it. 

  This guy lost his finger tips but sued because there wasn't a warning label
  saying a mower wasn't fit for trimming hedges. 

  His win in this law suit put a whole company out of business. You can't
  legislate against stupidity. If I use a machine designed to cut something as
  hard as oak wood, I know it won't have a problem cutting my fingers or hand
  off. 

  If I take off the blade guard and fence and still try to cut wood, I deserve
  any punishment the saw dishes out for being that stupid. 

  Have a problem paying for health insurance? Paying claims like these are
  what helps boost the cost. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Shane Hecker 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com  
  Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 4:35 PM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] FW: How much is a finger worth?

  I thought this was interesting.

  Shane

  Feed: Productopia: The ConsumerSearch B

RE: [BlindHandyMan] FW: How much is a finger worth?

[Cy Selfridge]

Bob,

I could not agree with you more. These idiot law suits should be illegal
and, furthermore, when the plaintiff looses I am not sure that he should not
have to pay the legal costs involved in the defense. Man, that sure would
slow down some folks who know that it will cost the company or other person
a whole lot to defend themselves even though the case may be hopeless.

You are also correct, even if the saw had all of the available safety
equipment on it the moron would probably have disabled it as well. How the
Dickens did that goof win the case?

Cy, The anasazi 

 

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Bob Kennedy
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 3:47 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] FW: How much is a finger worth?

 

  

This is truly a disgusting reflection on the legal system. 

To reward some idiot for disabling any safety features that were available
is crazy.
I've researched this case for an article I am helping write for another list
I'm on. For those that don't know the details, here are the important ones.

The guy was working for a hardwood flooring company. He was using a "bench
top" saw, not on a table or bench top, but on the floor.

Next, he was trying to run a piece of 3 quarter inch thick by 2 and a
quarter inches wide piece of oak wood through the blade of this saw without
any available safety devices.

If you read the instruction manual for any saw, they advise having the blade
set so the teeth are just above the surface of the wood being cut. 

Court papers show he had the blade set to 3 inches, almost 2 and a quarter
inches higher than recommended, and almost the limit for blade height on
that particular saw.

All table saw manufacturers recommend keeping the blade guard in place. This
one had been removed.

Anyone that uses a table saw knows the fence is required to make a straight
cut. The fence in this case was not on the saw either. The victim admitted
in court, both the blade guard and fence were not in place.

Finally, when he started the cut, he said the wood started to chatter so he
shut the saw down. He brushed the surface of the table clean and resumed his
cut. When the wood started chattering again, he started pushing harder,
completely opposite what you should do, and that is when his mishap
occurred.

In the court papers, he admitted to having operated the saw while on one
knee on the floor. A completely off balance position.

It is important to note that the law suit doesn't involve the flooring
company this guy worked for. 

This is an attempt to mandate that all saws carry the blade break system in
place on the SawStop brand. 

The model saw used cost $159 from home Depot. A bench top saw is designed to
be lighter in weight, and is smaller so it can be used on a bench top.
Adding a blade brake would greatly increase the size of the saw, and
probably make it unsafe to sit on a bench. Not to mention the fact that you
can forget about $159 for a price. The same saw would most likely double in
price if not more.

If the congress really wants to do something productive, something that
would help all of us, they need to put a stop to law suits like this. Suing
McDonalds because you are fat, or because their coffee is too hot? 

When I owned a shop years ago, we were all terrified as business owners when
some jerk picked up a running lawn mower and tried to cut his hedges with
it. 

This guy lost his finger tips but sued because there wasn't a warning label
saying a mower wasn't fit for trimming hedges. 

His win in this law suit put a whole company out of business. You can't
legislate against stupidity. If I use a machine designed to cut something as
hard as oak wood, I know it won't have a problem cutting my fingers or hand
off. 

If I take off the blade guard and fence and still try to cut wood, I deserve
any punishment the saw dishes out for being that stupid. 

Have a problem paying for health insurance? Paying claims like these are
what helps boost the cost. 
- Original Message - 
From: Shane Hecker 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com   
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 4:35 PM
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] FW: How much is a finger worth?

I thought this was interesting.

Shane

Feed: Productopia: The ConsumerSearch Blog
Posted on: Saturday, July 24, 2010 8:02 AM
Author: Catherine Jo Morgan
Subject: How much is a finger worth?

How about a hand? Do table saw
 manufacturers have an
obligation to use the safest technology available? The first jury to
consider this question -- in a civil lawsuit against the maker of Ryobi
table saws -- answered quite a definite "yes," to the tune of a 1.5 million
dollar award
 to the plaintiff.

read

Re: [BlindHandyMan] FW: How much is a finger worth?

[Bob Kennedy]

This is truly a disgusting reflection on the legal system.  

To reward some idiot for disabling any safety features  that were available is 
crazy.
I've researched this case for an article I am helping write for another list 
I'm on.  For those that don't know the details, here are the important ones.

The guy was working for a hardwood flooring company.  He was using a "bench 
top" saw, not on a table or bench top, but on the floor.

Next, he was trying to run a piece of 3 quarter inch thick by 2 and a quarter 
inches wide piece of oak wood through the blade of this saw without any 
available safety devices.

If you read the instruction manual for any saw, they advise having the blade 
set so the teeth are just above the surface of the wood being cut.  

Court papers show he had the blade set to 3 inches, almost 2 and a quarter 
inches higher than recommended, and almost the limit for blade height on that 
particular saw.

All table saw manufacturers recommend keeping the blade guard in place.  This 
one had been removed.

Anyone that uses a table saw knows the fence is required to make a straight 
cut.  The fence in this case was not on the saw either.  The victim admitted in 
court, both the blade guard and fence were not in place.

Finally, when he started the cut, he said the wood started to chatter so he 
shut the saw down.  He brushed the surface of the table clean and resumed his 
cut.  When the wood started chattering again, he started pushing harder, 
completely opposite what you should do, and that is when his mishap occurred.

In the court papers, he admitted to having operated the saw while on one knee 
on the floor.  A completely off balance position.

It is important to note that the law suit doesn't involve the flooring company 
this guy worked for.  

This is an attempt to mandate that all saws carry the blade break system in 
place on the SawStop brand.  

The model saw used cost $159 from home Depot.  A bench top saw is designed to 
be lighter in weight, and is smaller so it can be used on a bench top.  Adding 
a blade brake would greatly increase the size of the saw, and probably make it 
unsafe to sit on a bench.  Not to mention the fact that you can forget about 
$159 for a price.  The same saw would most likely double in price if not more.

If the congress really wants to do something productive, something that would 
help all of us, they need to put a stop to law suits like this.  Suing 
McDonalds because you are fat, or because their coffee is too hot?  

When I owned a shop years ago, we were all  terrified as business owners when 
some jerk picked up a running lawn mower and tried to cut his hedges with it.  

This guy lost his finger tips but sued because there wasn't a warning label 
saying a mower wasn't fit for trimming hedges.  

His win in this law suit put a whole company out of business.  You can't 
legislate against stupidity.  If I use a machine designed to cut something as 
hard as oak wood, I know it won't have a problem cutting my fingers or hand 
off.  

If I take off the blade guard and fence and still try to cut wood, I deserve 
any punishment the saw dishes out for being that stupid.  

Have a problem paying for health insurance?  Paying claims like these are what 
helps boost the cost.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Shane Hecker 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 4:35 PM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] FW: How much is a finger worth?



  I thought this was interesting.

  Shane

  Feed: Productopia: The ConsumerSearch Blog
  Posted on: Saturday, July 24, 2010 8:02 AM
  Author: Catherine Jo Morgan
  Subject: How much is a finger worth?

  How about a hand? Do table saw 
 manufacturers have an 
obligation to use the safest technology available? The first jury to consider 
this question -- in a civil lawsuit against the maker of Ryobi table saws -- 
answered quite a definite "yes," to the tune of a 1.5 million dollar award 

 to the plaintiff.

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[Shane Hecker]

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Shane

 

Feed: Productopia: The ConsumerSearch Blog
Posted on: Saturday, July 24, 2010 8:02 AM
Author: Catherine Jo Morgan
Subject: How much is a finger worth?

 


How about a hand? Do table saw 
  manufacturers have an 
obligation to use the safest technology available? The first jury to consider 
this question -- in a civil lawsuit against the maker of Ryobi table saws -- 
answered quite a definite "yes," to the tune of a 1.5 million dollar award 

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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Refrigerator filter instructions

[Cy Selfridge]

Hi,
This is really interesting. I have a Whirlpool side by side circa 2003 from
Sears and the filter is located at the top of the frig door. To change the
filter just pull the old filter out and put in the new one. Now, previously
I owned a side by side circa 1993 and there was no onboard filter. I
installed an external filter with a cutoff just before the little filter.
Same thing, turn off the water, remove the old filter and install the new
one.
Frankly I may well install an external filter on my current frig as the
external filter is at least half the cost of the wonderful Sears filter.
(LOLLOLLOL)
We have an electrostatic filtering system on the house water supply so the
frig filter seems to last a long time.
Cy

-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 7:05 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Refrigerator filter instructions

This sure is a lot more work than is absolutely necessary. I have not had to
drain water from the filter system. I simply open the fridge, twist the
filter loose, and just make sure things look good in there, and finally
install the new filter. I wonder if these instructions are for a particular
fridge.
On Jul 23, 2010, at 4:25 PM, RJ wrote:

> When you are going to change and add your refrigerator water filter 
> replacement, ensure that you have at least cut down the supply of water.
It 
> will hasten the replacement process.
> 
> 3. Reduce the pressure that is present in your filter.
> 
> Besides the water supply, you must also lower down the pressure that you
can 
> find inside your existing refrigerator water filter. You do not want the 
> sudden outburst of water to hinder your ability to change your water
filter. 
> What's more, it makes things much messier, and you will be dealing with a 
> lot of cleanup later on.
> 
> 4. Remove the filter casing.
> 
> Water filters are usually protected with casing. For you to successfully
add 
> your refrigerator water filter replacement, you have to remove the casing
at 
> least temporarily.
> 
> It is so much convenient for you to do this process first as you exactly 
> identify the water filters. To remove it, you may have to unscrew the
bolts 
> first.
> 
> 5. Clean the filtration system.
> 
> Do not automatically replace the refrigerator water filter. You still have

> to clean the casing and the entire area first. Watch out for any present 
> debris, impurity, and sediment that can mix with your water and your new 
> filter.
> 
> http://www.allwaterpurification.com/replace-refrigerator-water-filter.html

> 
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Refrigerator!

[Scott Howell]

Hey Michael,

I had not heard of a system that allowed for operation of the water etc. with 
the filter out. THis is of course a nice benefit in the event you do not have 
one and need to still use the water. I know the replacement process is pretty 
simple for all the units I have encountered. If they made the process to 
complicated,, no one would bother replacing the filter. grin
On Jul 23, 2010, at 10:58 PM, Michael baldwin wrote:

> i do not need to with mine,and it is a Kenmore.
> just twist and pull. i am guessing there is a valve that is turned when i
> have to twist the filter to disengage it. 
> My ice and water keep working with no filter installed as well.
> 
> When replacing one, it is good to run water through the system, this helps
> to clean out any manufacturing debris, and purge air from the system.
> Michael
> 
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> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 12:07 PM
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> Don't you have to shut off the water while changing the filter?
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> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Refrigerator!
> 
> > Hi Claudia,
> >
> > To the best of my knowledge, most will have these filters. You generally 
> > will find the filter in one of two places. The first place is inside the 
> > fridge, near the top. It may be a short cylinder, which hangs vertically 
> > near the rear of the cabinet. Some filters are long cylinders that are 
> > mounted horizontaly and generally mounted on either side of the cabinet.
> > Another place you will find filters is at the bottom of the unit behind 
> > the kick plate. In most cases you should not have to remove the kick plate
> 
> > to access the filter. In this case the filter will be mounted parallel to 
> > the floor.
> > Regardless of the configuration, these filters generally require just a 
> > twist to unlock them from the mounting. You will find that most of these 
> > filters will have a handle that you can grab to remove or install it and I
> 
> > have even seen one where you remove the filter, pull a cap off the bottom,
> 
> > which is actually a part of the fridge and matches the kick plate, and you
> 
> > put on the new filter, before installation.
> > I hope this helps and there may be other configurations I am not aware of 
> > that others can share.
> > On Jul 22, 2010, at 11:14 PM, Claudia wrote:
> >
> >> hi,
> >>
> >> Our fridge has a water dispenser. Are there filters that are supposed to 
> >> be changed periodically, and if so, where do I find these filters!
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