Re: [BlindHandyMan] Copper vs. PVC Pipe - Was: Shark Bite Inline Valves
I believe I am correct in saying many major cities do not allow any kind of plastic in side structures, p Mostly multi dwellings/ apartment houses and multi level buildings due to the gas the plastic emits at high temps during a fire? I would like to hear other comments on this. thanks.Lee On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 01:37:10PM -0600, Dave Andrus wrote: Hi, I wish I could agree with you completely. An earth quake will get either pipe, and in fact the more ridgid it is as with copper, the more likely it is to break. I hate to say it but the main reason cities and their codes do not want plastic is because of the unions. Most people can do plastic. Most can not do copper, thus giving union pipe fitters a job. This is real evident in chicago with their electrical codes. All electrical wire must be in conduet. They say conduet prevents a person putting a nial through the wire. As true as that is, it rarely happens. Please do not assume I am a union basher. I am not. I am simply pointing out the practical reason for some of the codes. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 3:43 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Copper vs. PVC Pipe - Was: Shark Bite Inline Valves I can't speak to where anybody else lives, but water supply lines cannot be PVC and meet code in most metropolitan locations. At least, none of the metropolitan areas where I've lived allow PVC supply lines. The reason for this is that in case of a fire, earthquake, tornado or some other disaster that could rupture those lines the municipality doesn't want water supplies compromised. Of course, an earthquake might very well rupture a main line, but that's much easier to correct than a number of private homes leaking kilo gallons of water during an emergency. Holland's Person, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- All the really good ideas I ever had came to me while I was milking a cow. -- Grant Wood
[BlindHandyMan] Copper vs. PVC Pipe - Was: Shark Bite Inline Valves
I can't speak to where anybody else lives, but water supply lines cannot be PVC and meet code in most metropolitan locations. At least, none of the metropolitan areas where I've lived allow PVC supply lines. The reason for this is that in case of a fire, earthquake, tornado or some other disaster that could rupture those lines the municipality doesn't want water supplies compromised. Of course, an earthquake might very well rupture a main line, but that's much easier to correct than a number of private homes leaking kilo gallons of water during an emergency. Holland's Person, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Copper vs. PVC Pipe - Was: Shark Bite Inline Valves
What do you mean by supply lines? before the home or beyond the meter inside the home. PVC is rapidly becoming replaced by PEX but it is still widely used. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:42 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Copper vs. PVC Pipe - Was: Shark Bite Inline Valves I can't speak to where anybody else lives, but water supply lines cannot be PVC and meet code in most metropolitan locations. At least, none of the metropolitan areas where I've lived allow PVC supply lines. The reason for this is that in case of a fire, earthquake, tornado or some other disaster that could rupture those lines the municipality doesn't want water supplies compromised. Of course, an earthquake might very well rupture a main line, but that's much easier to correct than a number of private homes leaking kilo gallons of water during an emergency. Holland's Person, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Copper vs. PVC Pipe - Was: Shark Bite Inline Valves
Dale, what is pex? earlier, Dale Leavens, wrote: What do you mean by supply lines? before the home or beyond the meter inside the home. PVC is rapidly becoming replaced by PEX but it is still widely used. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:42 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Copper vs. PVC Pipe - Was: Shark Bite Inline Valves I can't speak to where anybody else lives, but water supply lines cannot be PVC and meet code in most metropolitan locations. At least, none of the metropolitan areas where I've lived allow PVC supply lines. The reason for this is that in case of a fire, earthquake, tornado or some other disaster that could rupture those lines the municipality doesn't want water supplies compromised. Of course, an earthquake might very well rupture a main line, but that's much easier to correct than a number of private homes leaking kilo gallons of water during an emergency. Holland's Person, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] John Currently in Ocala, Florida Clear, 46°F Wind:Calm * I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car. Created by Weather Signature v1.31 http://www.weathersig.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Copper vs. PVC Pipe - Was: Shark Bite Inline Valves
Where people use well water, plastic pipe is the only pipe that will hold up. I has been told that copper will degrade very fquickly here. John http://WhiteCane.org http://BlindWoodWorker.com http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane http://anellos.ws - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Copper vs. PVC Pipe - Was: Shark Bite Inline Valves What do you mean by supply lines? before the home or beyond the meter inside the home. PVC is rapidly becoming replaced by PEX but it is still widely used. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:42 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Copper vs. PVC Pipe - Was: Shark Bite Inline Valves I can't speak to where anybody else lives, but water supply lines cannot be PVC and meet code in most metropolitan locations. At least, none of the metropolitan areas where I've lived allow PVC supply lines. The reason for this is that in case of a fire, earthquake, tornado or some other disaster that could rupture those lines the municipality doesn't want water supplies compromised. Of course, an earthquake might very well rupture a main line, but that's much easier to correct than a number of private homes leaking kilo gallons of water during an emergency. Holland's Person, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Copper vs. PVC Pipe - Was: Shark Bite Inline Valves
Supply lines (as opposed to drain lines) are the pipes that supply water to the home. Holland's Person, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Copper vs. PVC Pipe - Was: Shark Bite Inline Valves
Aloha everyone, Rainy today in Honolulu and a bit cool oopse sorry mean warm to many. I am now re plumbing my house. Just finished from the street main line to my regulator then to the house this past weekend. I have brass fittings at the street which are in fine shape. The brass went to galvanized pipe but now I have copper. Plan to redo my house with copper. My friend is a plumberand will re do my house which includes an attached studio for around $3,000.00 including materials starting at the street. Most of the old pipe seems to be galvanized with some places having copper but most isn't copper. He will be replacing everything. I am using pvc pipe for the irrigation system which by the way is almost in. Aloha have a great day. Sheryl At 02:26 AM 3/8/2010, you wrote: What do you mean by supply lines? before the home or beyond the meter inside the home. PVC is rapidly becoming replaced by PEX but it is still widely used. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:42 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Copper vs. PVC Pipe - Was: Shark Bite Inline Valves I can't speak to where anybody else lives, but water supply lines cannot be PVC and meet code in most metropolitan locations. At least, none of the metropolitan areas where I've lived allow PVC supply lines. The reason for this is that in case of a fire, earthquake, tornado or some other disaster that could rupture those lines the municipality doesn't want water supplies compromised. Of course, an earthquake might very well rupture a main line, but that's much easier to correct than a number of private homes leaking kilo gallons of water during an emergency. Holland's Person, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Copper vs. PVC Pipe - Was: Shark Bite Inline Valves
Iron and led used to be allowed but now I don't think anything other than copper is allowed from the street to the house. PVC is allowed still inside houses, maybe not everywhere but lots of places. Code often doesn't want it within I think it is 6 feet of a hot water tank. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Copper vs. PVC Pipe - Was: Shark Bite Inline Valves Supply lines (as opposed to drain lines) are the pipes that supply water to the home. Holland's Person, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Copper vs. PVC Pipe - Was: Shark Bite Inline Valves
Hi, I wish I could agree with you completely. An earth quake will get either pipe, and in fact the more ridgid it is as with copper, the more likely it is to break. I hate to say it but the main reason cities and their codes do not want plastic is because of the unions. Most people can do plastic. Most can not do copper, thus giving union pipe fitters a job. This is real evident in chicago with their electrical codes. All electrical wire must be in conduet. They say conduet prevents a person putting a nial through the wire. As true as that is, it rarely happens. Please do not assume I am a union basher. I am not. I am simply pointing out the practical reason for some of the codes. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 3:43 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Copper vs. PVC Pipe - Was: Shark Bite Inline Valves I can't speak to where anybody else lives, but water supply lines cannot be PVC and meet code in most metropolitan locations. At least, none of the metropolitan areas where I've lived allow PVC supply lines. The reason for this is that in case of a fire, earthquake, tornado or some other disaster that could rupture those lines the municipality doesn't want water supplies compromised. Of course, an earthquake might very well rupture a main line, but that's much easier to correct than a number of private homes leaking kilo gallons of water during an emergency. Holland's Person, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Copper vs. PVC Pipe - Was: Shark Bite Inline Valves
That's news to me, my Mom's home was built in 1969 out in the middle of Bayfield County, Wisconsin and is supplied by a well that has served the family since 1912. The house is plumbed with all copper pipe and not one bit of trouble. In fact, she just had the water heater replaced last year -- that's 40 years with the same water heater. Holland's Person, Bill E-Mail: billgal...@centurytel.net - A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he resents. - German Aphorist, Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Copper vs. PVC Pipe - Was: Shark Bite Inline Valves
Dave, I would have to concur with your comments. I often wonder where some of these codes come from because some simply seem to ensure a professional does the job and not your typical homeowner. Now I have to say that seeing how some of the wiring was done in this house, there is no question the person who did this work should never be allowed to touch anything electrical and should be required by law to hire professionals. THis way they would avoid the next sucker from loosing their home. grin I do not have a problem with anyone trying to make a living, but I would prefer to reserve their services for projects beyond my skill set. On Mar 8, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Dave Andrus wrote: Hi, I wish I could agree with you completely. An earth quake will get either pipe, and in fact the more ridgid it is as with copper, the more likely it is to break. I hate to say it but the main reason cities and their codes do not want plastic is because of the unions. Most people can do plastic. Most can not do copper, thus giving union pipe fitters a job. This is real evident in chicago with their electrical codes. All electrical wire must be in conduet. They say conduet prevents a person putting a nial through the wire. As true as that is, it rarely happens. Please do not assume I am a union basher. I am not. I am simply pointing out the practical reason for some of the codes. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 3:43 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Copper vs. PVC Pipe - Was: Shark Bite Inline Valves I can't speak to where anybody else lives, but water supply lines cannot be PVC and meet code in most metropolitan locations. At least, none of the metropolitan areas where I've lived allow PVC supply lines. The reason for this is that in case of a fire, earthquake, tornado or some other disaster that could rupture those lines the municipality doesn't want water supplies compromised. Of course, an earthquake might very well rupture a main line, but that's much easier to correct than a number of private homes leaking kilo gallons of water during an emergency. Holland's Person, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: blindhandyman-dig...@yahoogroups.com blindhandyman-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: blindhandyman-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Copper vs. PVC Pipe - Was: Shark Bite Inline Valves
Hello Sheryl, Now here may be an opportunity for you to go to PEX. Ask your plumber about that. It does have significant advantages over copper but not all plumbers are yet comfortable with it. It goes in fast too. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Sheryl Nelson To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Copper vs. PVC Pipe - Was: Shark Bite Inline Valves Aloha everyone, Rainy today in Honolulu and a bit cool oopse sorry mean warm to many. I am now re plumbing my house. Just finished from the street main line to my regulator then to the house this past weekend. I have brass fittings at the street which are in fine shape. The brass went to galvanized pipe but now I have copper. Plan to redo my house with copper. My friend is a plumber and will re do my house which includes an attached studio for around $3,000.00 including materials starting at the street. Most of the old pipe seems to be galvanized with some places having copper but most isn't copper. He will be replacing everything. I am using pvc pipe for the irrigation system which by the way is almost in. Aloha have a great day. Sheryl At 02:26 AM 3/8/2010, you wrote: What do you mean by supply lines? before the home or beyond the meter inside the home. PVC is rapidly becoming replaced by PEX but it is still widely used. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:42 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Copper vs. PVC Pipe - Was: Shark Bite Inline Valves I can't speak to where anybody else lives, but water supply lines cannot be PVC and meet code in most metropolitan locations. At least, none of the metropolitan areas where I've lived allow PVC supply lines. The reason for this is that in case of a fire, earthquake, tornado or some other disaster that could rupture those lines the municipality doesn't want water supplies compromised. Of course, an earthquake might very well rupture a main line, but that's much easier to correct than a number of private homes leaking kilo gallons of water during an emergency. Holland's Person, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
