[BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors.
So, I just got some battery operated, wirelessly inter connected, voice announcing, smoke or smoke and Carbon Monoxide detectors. I got one combination smoke and C O detector, and two smoke detectors. The combo unit will go in the basement, and then one smoke detector on the main floor, and one in the hallway on the second floor. You program each one for the location it is in, and then if any one of them go off, all of them go off and tell you what the danger is, and where it is. IE, if the unit in the basement activates because of a carbon monoxide issue,, and it is late at night and we are snug in our beds on the second floor, all of the units, will alarm, then say, "EVACUATE! CARBON MONOXIDE IN THE BASEMENT!" Since these are battery operated, and wireless, there are no wires to run. Makes it quite easy to install. Just hang them on the ceiling and you are good to go. Before anyone starts raising your hand and saying that Carbon Monoxide is heavier than air and thus the detectors should be near the floor, you are mistaken. I've done a lot of research on this. There are many web sites that make this invalid claim. But the real science is more convincing. Air is made of Nitrogen, N2, with an molecular mass of 28. And Oxygen, O2, with an molecular mass of 32. Carbon Monoxide is made of a Carbon atom, atomic mass 12, and one Oxygen, atomic mass 16, giving it an molecular mass of 28, equal to N2, and lighter than Oxygen. Add to that, the fact that C O is going to be a product of combustion, IE, it will be warm and thus convect upward, and you get quite a good mix of the air and C O. Some manufacturers say to put the Co detector on the wall at eye level, but that is more for the fact that many CO detectors have visual displays showing the Parts Per Million of CO in the air, and thus it makes more sense to put it somewhere where it is more easily seen on a regular basis. I thought these were worth mentioning. They're not that cheap, the combo unit was 70 bucks, and the two pack of smoke detectors was 90 I think. I got the combo direct from amazon, but the smoke detector twin pack came from EAccess via amazon. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
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If you'd stop smoking you wouldn't need a detector... hahaha The only time your theory with height has a problem is if you heat with propane. Propane is very heavy and thus they recommend 18 inches from the floor. But, that is only if anyone heats with propane. I've seen the recommendations of higher levels for the carbon monoxide detectors too. In fact if you are a landlord in North Carolina, you are now required to provide a detector. The model I bought has a cord that pulls out to plug it in. If there is a cord, have to figure they don't mean for it to sit on the floor. I would have to find the law again but as I remember it says no less then 36 inches from the floor. Most I've talked to that know what they are talking about say to mount detectors close to the height of the thermostat. Smoke detectors are recommended over doors because smoke will roller coaster as it goes from room to room. Sorry I'm lacking on examples and details but that's why your emails are so good... - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: Blind Handyman List Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:37 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. So, I just got some battery operated, wirelessly inter connected, voice announcing, smoke or smoke and Carbon Monoxide detectors. I got one combination smoke and C O detector, and two smoke detectors. The combo unit will go in the basement, and then one smoke detector on the main floor, and one in the hallway on the second floor. You program each one for the location it is in, and then if any one of them go off, all of them go off and tell you what the danger is, and where it is. IE, if the unit in the basement activates because of a carbon monoxide issue,, and it is late at night and we are snug in our beds on the second floor, all of the units, will alarm, then say, "EVACUATE! CARBON MONOXIDE IN THE BASEMENT!" Since these are battery operated, and wireless, there are no wires to run. Makes it quite easy to install. Just hang them on the ceiling and you are good to go. Before anyone starts raising your hand and saying that Carbon Monoxide is heavier than air and thus the detectors should be near the floor, you are mistaken. I've done a lot of research on this. There are many web sites that make this invalid claim. But the real science is more convincing. Air is made of Nitrogen, N2, with an molecular mass of 28. And Oxygen, O2, with an molecular mass of 32. Carbon Monoxide is made of a Carbon atom, atomic mass 12, and one Oxygen, atomic mass 16, giving it an molecular mass of 28, equal to N2, and lighter than Oxygen. Add to that, the fact that C O is going to be a product of combustion, IE, it will be warm and thus convect upward, and you get quite a good mix of the air and C O. Some manufacturers say to put the Co detector on the wall at eye level, but that is more for the fact that many CO detectors have visual displays showing the Parts Per Million of CO in the air, and thus it makes more sense to put it somewhere where it is more easily seen on a regular basis. I thought these were worth mentioning. They're not that cheap, the combo unit was 70 bucks, and the two pack of smoke detectors was 90 I think. I got the combo direct from amazon, but the smoke detector twin pack came from EAccess via amazon. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Bob, Very good point about the propane. I've read that as well, but forget about it, since I've never known anyone to heat with propane. I think that is because I've typically lived in cold climates. I think propane heat is more common in places where heat is not a necessity. I could be wrong there though. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
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A couple of years ago I installed a similar set-up only it isn't wireless. I don't know if they weren't available or I just didn't find them. Mine then are wired together with battery back-up. They are nice but I find the batteries fail fairly quickly. Well, the two fire detectors do, the CO2 detector seems to run a long time between batteries, now that I think of it I don't remember yet changing that one. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: Blind Handyman List Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:37 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. So, I just got some battery operated, wirelessly inter connected, voice announcing, smoke or smoke and Carbon Monoxide detectors. I got one combination smoke and C O detector, and two smoke detectors. The combo unit will go in the basement, and then one smoke detector on the main floor, and one in the hallway on the second floor. You program each one for the location it is in, and then if any one of them go off, all of them go off and tell you what the danger is, and where it is. IE, if the unit in the basement activates because of a carbon monoxide issue,, and it is late at night and we are snug in our beds on the second floor, all of the units, will alarm, then say, "EVACUATE! CARBON MONOXIDE IN THE BASEMENT!" Since these are battery operated, and wireless, there are no wires to run. Makes it quite easy to install. Just hang them on the ceiling and you are good to go. Before anyone starts raising your hand and saying that Carbon Monoxide is heavier than air and thus the detectors should be near the floor, you are mistaken. I've done a lot of research on this. There are many web sites that make this invalid claim. But the real science is more convincing. Air is made of Nitrogen, N2, with an molecular mass of 28. And Oxygen, O2, with an molecular mass of 32. Carbon Monoxide is made of a Carbon atom, atomic mass 12, and one Oxygen, atomic mass 16, giving it an molecular mass of 28, equal to N2, and lighter than Oxygen. Add to that, the fact that C O is going to be a product of combustion, IE, it will be warm and thus convect upward, and you get quite a good mix of the air and C O. Some manufacturers say to put the Co detector on the wall at eye level, but that is more for the fact that many CO detectors have visual displays showing the Parts Per Million of CO in the air, and thus it makes more sense to put it somewhere where it is more easily seen on a regular basis. I thought these were worth mentioning. They're not that cheap, the combo unit was 70 bucks, and the two pack of smoke detectors was 90 I think. I got the combo direct from amazon, but the smoke detector twin pack came from EAccess via amazon. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Do they make a propane detector? If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Bob Kennedy To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. If you'd stop smoking you wouldn't need a detector... hahaha The only time your theory with height has a problem is if you heat with propane. Propane is very heavy and thus they recommend 18 inches from the floor. But, that is only if anyone heats with propane. I've seen the recommendations of higher levels for the carbon monoxide detectors too. In fact if you are a landlord in North Carolina, you are now required to provide a detector. The model I bought has a cord that pulls out to plug it in. If there is a cord, have to figure they don't mean for it to sit on the floor. I would have to find the law again but as I remember it says no less then 36 inches from the floor. Most I've talked to that know what they are talking about say to mount detectors close to the height of the thermostat. Smoke detectors are recommended over doors because smoke will roller coaster as it goes from room to room. Sorry I'm lacking on examples and details but that's why your emails are so good... - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: Blind Handyman List Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:37 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. So, I just got some battery operated, wirelessly inter connected, voice announcing, smoke or smoke and Carbon Monoxide detectors. I got one combination smoke and C O detector, and two smoke detectors. The combo unit will go in the basement, and then one smoke detector on the main floor, and one in the hallway on the second floor. You program each one for the location it is in, and then if any one of them go off, all of them go off and tell you what the danger is, and where it is. IE, if the unit in the basement activates because of a carbon monoxide issue,, and it is late at night and we are snug in our beds on the second floor, all of the units, will alarm, then say, "EVACUATE! CARBON MONOXIDE IN THE BASEMENT!" Since these are battery operated, and wireless, there are no wires to run. Makes it quite easy to install. Just hang them on the ceiling and you are good to go. Before anyone starts raising your hand and saying that Carbon Monoxide is heavier than air and thus the detectors should be near the floor, you are mistaken. I've done a lot of research on this. There are many web sites that make this invalid claim. But the real science is more convincing. Air is made of Nitrogen, N2, with an molecular mass of 28. And Oxygen, O2, with an molecular mass of 32. Carbon Monoxide is made of a Carbon atom, atomic mass 12, and one Oxygen, atomic mass 16, giving it an molecular mass of 28, equal to N2, and lighter than Oxygen. Add to that, the fact that C O is going to be a product of combustion, IE, it will be warm and thus convect upward, and you get quite a good mix of the air and C O. Some manufacturers say to put the Co detector on the wall at eye level, but that is more for the fact that many CO detectors have visual displays showing the Parts Per Million of CO in the air, and thus it makes more sense to put it somewhere where it is more easily seen on a regular basis. I thought these were worth mentioning. They're not that cheap, the combo unit was 70 bucks, and the two pack of smoke detectors was 90 I think. I got the combo direct from amazon, but the smoke detector twin pack came from EAccess via amazon. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Oh sir! you are wrong. It is an alternative to fuel oil up here in rural areas where natural gas is unavailable and sometimes it does get cold. A propane installation allows for cooking as well. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Bob, Very good point about the propane. I've read that as well, but forget about it, since I've never known anyone to heat with propane. I think that is because I've typically lived in cold climates. I think propane heat is more common in places where heat is not a necessity. I could be wrong there though. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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yes they do, they have a combination natural gas and propane detector. A HomeDepot sales rep was trying to sell me one when I was putting in new smoke and CO2 detectors in our last house where we had propane. He told me to hang it on the ceiling in the furnace room, by the furnace and water heater, and it will let me know when there was a propane leak. I couldn't get him to understand that propane is heavy, so if I wanted to detect a propane leak early I needed to put it on the floor. Oh, I miss our propane, I hate this natural gas stuff, costs to damn much. What brand were these wireless ones? I wonder if they can work with wired ones as well? I will be installing Kidde wired with battery backup in the addition that i am still redoing, and these would be great for the older part where i am not going to run new wiring yet. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:32 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Do they make a propane detector? If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Bob Kennedy To: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. If you'd stop smoking you wouldn't need a detector... hahaha The only time your theory with height has a problem is if you heat with propane. Propane is very heavy and thus they recommend 18 inches from the floor. But, that is only if anyone heats with propane. I've seen the recommendations of higher levels for the carbon monoxide detectors too. In fact if you are a landlord in North Carolina, you are now required to provide a detector. The model I bought has a cord that pulls out to plug it in. If there is a cord, have to figure they don't mean for it to sit on the floor. I would have to find the law again but as I remember it says no less then 36 inches from the floor. Most I've talked to that know what they are talking about say to mount detectors close to the height of the thermostat. Smoke detectors are recommended over doors because smoke will roller coaster as it goes from room to room. Sorry I'm lacking on examples and details but that's why your emails are so good... - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: Blind Handyman List Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:37 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. So, I just got some battery operated, wirelessly inter connected, voice announcing, smoke or smoke and Carbon Monoxide detectors. I got one combination smoke and C O detector, and two smoke detectors. The combo unit will go in the basement, and then one smoke detector on the main floor, and one in the hallway on the second floor. You program each one for the location it is in, and then if any one of them go off, all of them go off and tell you what the danger is, and where it is. IE, if the unit in the basement activates because of a carbon monoxide issue,, and it is late at night and we are snug in our beds on the second floor, all of the units, will alarm, then say, "EVACUATE! CARBON MONOXIDE IN THE BASEMENT!" Since these are battery operated, and wireless, there are no wires to run. Makes it quite easy to install. Just hang them on the ceiling and you are good to go. Before anyone starts raising your hand and saying that Carbon Monoxide is heavier than air and thus the detectors should be near the floor, you are mistaken. I've done a lot of research on this. There are many web sites that make this invalid claim. But the real science is more convincing. Air is made of Nitrogen, N2, with an molecular mass of 28. And Oxygen, O2, with an molecular mass of 32. Carbon Monoxide is made of a Carbon atom, atomic mass 12, and one Oxygen, atomic mass 16, giving it an molecular mass of 28, equal to N2, and lighter than Oxygen. Add to that, the fact that C O is going to be a product of combustion, IE, it will be warm and thus convect upward, and you get quite a good mix of the air and C O. Some manufacturers say to put the Co detector on the wall at eye level, but that is more for the fact that many CO detectors have visual displays showing the Parts Per Million of CO in the air, and thus it makes more sense to put it somewhere where it is more easily seen on a regular basis. I thought these were worth mentioning. They're not that cheap, the combo unit was 70 bucks, and the two pack of smoke detectors was 90 I think. I got the combo direct from amazon, but the smoke detector twin pack came from EAccess via amazon. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew. <mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu> cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of
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I used to help set the big tanks when I lived in Buffalo. Propane is usually found in the country. So many people used oil up there if gas wasn't available. I heated my garage with propane and the good part was, when I worked for that company, the gas was free! - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Bob, Very good point about the propane. I've read that as well, but forget about it, since I've never known anyone to heat with propane. I think that is because I've typically lived in cold climates. I think propane heat is more common in places where heat is not a necessity. I could be wrong there though. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I don't know if they make one or not. It still gives off carbon monoxide, it just doesn't "gloat" like natural gas will. - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Do they make a propane detector? If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Bob Kennedy To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. If you'd stop smoking you wouldn't need a detector... hahaha The only time your theory with height has a problem is if you heat with propane. Propane is very heavy and thus they recommend 18 inches from the floor. But, that is only if anyone heats with propane. I've seen the recommendations of higher levels for the carbon monoxide detectors too. In fact if you are a landlord in North Carolina, you are now required to provide a detector. The model I bought has a cord that pulls out to plug it in. If there is a cord, have to figure they don't mean for it to sit on the floor. I would have to find the law again but as I remember it says no less then 36 inches from the floor. Most I've talked to that know what they are talking about say to mount detectors close to the height of the thermostat. Smoke detectors are recommended over doors because smoke will roller coaster as it goes from room to room. Sorry I'm lacking on examples and details but that's why your emails are so good... - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: Blind Handyman List Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:37 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. So, I just got some battery operated, wirelessly inter connected, voice announcing, smoke or smoke and Carbon Monoxide detectors. I got one combination smoke and C O detector, and two smoke detectors. The combo unit will go in the basement, and then one smoke detector on the main floor, and one in the hallway on the second floor. You program each one for the location it is in, and then if any one of them go off, all of them go off and tell you what the danger is, and where it is. IE, if the unit in the basement activates because of a carbon monoxide issue,, and it is late at night and we are snug in our beds on the second floor, all of the units, will alarm, then say, "EVACUATE! CARBON MONOXIDE IN THE BASEMENT!" Since these are battery operated, and wireless, there are no wires to run. Makes it quite easy to install. Just hang them on the ceiling and you are good to go. Before anyone starts raising your hand and saying that Carbon Monoxide is heavier than air and thus the detectors should be near the floor, you are mistaken. I've done a lot of research on this. There are many web sites that make this invalid claim. But the real science is more convincing. Air is made of Nitrogen, N2, with an molecular mass of 28. And Oxygen, O2, with an molecular mass of 32. Carbon Monoxide is made of a Carbon atom, atomic mass 12, and one Oxygen, atomic mass 16, giving it an molecular mass of 28, equal to N2, and lighter than Oxygen. Add to that, the fact that C O is going to be a product of combustion, IE, it will be warm and thus convect upward, and you get quite a good mix of the air and C O. Some manufacturers say to put the Co detector on the wall at eye level, but that is more for the fact that many CO detectors have visual displays showing the Parts Per Million of CO in the air, and thus it makes more sense to put it somewhere where it is more easily seen on a regular basis. I thought these were worth mentioning. They're not that cheap, the combo unit was 70 bucks, and the two pack of smoke detectors was 90 I think. I got the combo direct from amazon, but the smoke detector twin pack came from EAccess via amazon. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Dan Around here (upstate New York) folks that live within city limits have natural gas piped in by our utility provider. However, if you live outside the city like my parents and sister do, you heat with propane unless you burn wood, use fuel oil, or heat with electric (not many do this) hope this helps. Also, what is the model and make of these units you bought? We need to replace ours and these sound interesting Al -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:07 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Bob, Very good point about the propane. I've read that as well, but forget about it, since I've never known anyone to heat with propane. I think that is because I've typically lived in cold climates. I think propane heat is more common in places where heat is not a necessity. I could be wrong there though. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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HMM, you learn something every day. I didn't think propane would be a good heating source for a hole house. Everywhere I've lived, you either heated with natural gas or fuel oil. So, when you heat with propane, are the tanks inside the house? I mean, doesn't propane have issues if it gets too cold? I mean, doesn't it start to have problems vaporizing? Anyway, here are the make and models of my alarms. First Alert SCO501CN-3ST ONELINK Battery Operated Combination Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm with Voice Location $69 First Alert SA511CN2-3ST ONELINK Wireless Battery Operated Smoke Alarm with Voice Location, 2-Pack $89 -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
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No, the tanks are not kept in the house. Maybe in extreme cold temps they could be kept in some kind of shelter, but normally the propane tank is out side, or even under ground now, with just the valve and meter sticking above ground. Federal, state, and local codes dictate where the propane tank can be placed. The most common size is a 500 gallon tank. 250 and 1000 gallon tanks are also available for residential use. The tank is normally filled to 80% capacity, otherwise the propane will expand to much, and could blow up the tank, if the safety valve is not working properly. In the winter, our supplier actually filled ours to 85% capacity. As far as not vaporizing in the extreme cold, a propane vaporizer is used. I am not sure how cold it needs to be to use one of these. In the Midwest, we never had an issue with not getting enough propane to run the furnace. They are also used when the tank can not vaporize enough propane for downline use. The propane is pumped to the vaporizer as a liquid, and then vaporized, and sent down stream. One other thing neat about propane, is you can use copper tubing. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:24 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. HMM, you learn something every day. I didn't think propane would be a good heating source for a hole house. Everywhere I've lived, you either heated with natural gas or fuel oil. So, when you heat with propane, are the tanks inside the house? I mean, doesn't propane have issues if it gets too cold? I mean, doesn't it start to have problems vaporizing? Anyway, here are the make and models of my alarms. First Alert SCO501CN-3ST ONELINK Battery Operated Combination Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm with Voice Location $69 First Alert SA511CN2-3ST ONELINK Wireless Battery Operated Smoke Alarm with Voice Location, 2-Pack $89 -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew. <mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu> cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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hi dan most people up here in minnesota have a large 500 gallon pig as there called out back of the house. it looks like a large oval pillow. and this big truck comes and fills it up when ever you call them. well that is if you have paid for the last stuff you got, grin. they put something in it to make itflash off when it is very cold. but it works just fine. jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Dan: Lots of folks in more rural areas heat with propane as Michael has pointed out. What can happen in cold weather is that ice will form on the outside of a tank if a tank is being emptied too quickly. It's a viscious circle, and the lower the level of propane in a tank, the thicker the ice can become under some conditions. If say, you had a 500,000 BTU space heater operating off of one 100 lb cylinder and the temps were say, below 20, you'd likely have icing, and eventually the heater would quit. We used to gang two or more tanks together so that the surface area was larger and the draw slower by half, and that helped in most cases. If memory serves, propane boils at -40 so at temps lower than that, you'd have to heat it somehow. A 500 gallon tank is so large that I doubt icing would be a problem, particularly if it were burried. Probably more than you needed to know. Bill Stephan Kansas Citty MO Email: wstep...@everestkc.net Phone: (816)803-2469 - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:24 am Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. > HMM, you learn something every day. I didn't think propane would > be a > good heating source for a hole house. Everywhere I've lived, you > either > heated with natural gas or fuel oil. > > So, when you heat with propane, are the tanks inside the house? I > mean, > doesn't propane have issues if it gets too cold? I mean, doesn't > it start > to have problems vaporizing? > > Anyway, here are the make and models of my alarms. > > First Alert SCO501CN-3ST ONELINK Battery Operated Combination > Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm with Voice Location $69 > First Alert SA511CN2-3ST ONELINK Wireless Battery Operated Smoke > Alarm with Voice Location, 2-Pack $89 > > -- > Blue skies. > Dan Rossi > Carnegie Mellon University. > E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu > Tel: (412) 268-9081 >
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Thanks to everyone who has set me straight on propane and home heating. All very interesting stuff. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
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I convinced my wife that we really needed to get ventless logs for the fireplace rather than monkey around with wood, so I just bought a couple combo detecters as well, though mine are not networked in any way. I also did some research into the relative weights, and the only thing I found that is different from what Dan has so well explained is that apparently mixing can be affected by air temperature. I suspect though that it would have to be pretty cold in a house before this would be a factor. Apparently, at least according to the manual, mine are also supposed to scream at you when the batteries are low, so we'll see. Bill Stephan Kansas Citty MO Email: wstep...@everestkc.net Phone: (816)803-2469 - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:37 pm Subject: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. > So, I just got some battery operated, wirelessly inter connected, > voice announcing, smoke or smoke and Carbon Monoxide detectors. > > I got one combination smoke and C O detector, and two smoke > detectors. > The combo unit will go in the basement, and then one smoke > detector on the > main floor, and one in the hallway on the second floor. > > You program each one for the location it is in, and then if any > one of > them go off, all of them go off and tell you what the danger is, > and where > it is. IE, if the unit in the basement activates because of a > carbon > monoxide issue,, and it is late at night and we are snug in our > beds on > the second floor, all of the units, will alarm, then say, > "EVACUATE! > CARBON MONOXIDE IN THE BASEMENT!" > > Since these are battery operated, and wireless, there are no wires > to > run. Makes it quite easy to install. Just hang them on the > ceiling and > you are good to go. > > Before anyone starts raising your hand and saying that Carbon > Monoxide is > heavier than air and thus the detectors should be near the floor, > you are > mistaken. I've done a lot of research on this. There are many > web sites > that make this invalid claim. But the real science is more > convincing. > Air is made of Nitrogen, N2, with an molecular mass of 28. And > Oxygen, > O2, with an molecular mass of 32. Carbon Monoxide is made of a > Carbon > atom, atomic mass 12, and one Oxygen, atomic mass 16, giving it an > molecular mass of 28, equal to N2, and lighter than Oxygen. Add > to that, > the fact that C O is going to be a product of combustion, IE, it > will be > warm and thus convect upward, and you get quite a good mix of the > air and C O. > > Some manufacturers say to put the Co detector on the wall at eye > level, > but that is more for the fact that many CO detectors have visual > displays > showing the Parts Per Million of CO in the air, and thus it makes > more > sense to put it somewhere where it is more easily seen on a > regular basis. > > I thought these were worth mentioning. They're not that cheap, > the combo > unit was 70 bucks, and the two pack of smoke detectors was 90 I > think. I > got the combo direct from amazon, but the smoke detector twin pack > came > from EAccess via amazon. > > -- > Blue skies. > Dan Rossi > Carnegie Mellon University. > E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu > Tel: (412) 268-9081 >
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Carbon monoxide has the same molecular weight whether it comes from natural gas or propane. It's still one carbon atom and one oxygen atom. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with transistors group send an email to. funwithtransistors-subscr...@yahoogroups.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, funwithtubes-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: "Bob Kennedy" To: Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:51 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. >I don't know if they make one or not. It still gives off carbon monoxide, >it just doesn't "gloat" like natural gas will. > - Original Message - > From: Dale Leavens > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:32 PM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. > > > > Do they make a propane detector? > > If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie > > - Original Message - > From: Bob Kennedy > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:50 PM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. > > If you'd stop smoking you wouldn't need a detector... hahaha > > The only time your theory with height has a problem is if you heat with > propane. Propane is very heavy and thus they recommend 18 inches from the > floor. But, that is only if anyone heats with propane. I've seen the > recommendations of higher levels for the carbon monoxide detectors too. In > fact if you are a landlord in North Carolina, you are now required to > provide a detector. > The model I bought has a cord that pulls out to plug it in. If there is a > cord, have to figure they don't mean for it to sit on the floor. > > I would have to find the law again but as I remember it says no less then > 36 inches from the floor. Most I've talked to that know what they are > talking about say to mount detectors close to the height of the > thermostat. Smoke detectors are recommended over doors because smoke will > roller coaster as it goes from room to room. > > Sorry I'm lacking on examples and details but that's why your emails are > so good... > > - Original Message - > From: Dan Rossi > To: Blind Handyman List > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:37 PM > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. > > So, I just got some battery operated, wirelessly inter connected, > voice announcing, smoke or smoke and Carbon Monoxide detectors. > > I got one combination smoke and C O detector, and two smoke detectors. > The combo unit will go in the basement, and then one smoke detector on > the > main floor, and one in the hallway on the second floor. > > You program each one for the location it is in, and then if any one of > them go off, all of them go off and tell you what the danger is, and > where > it is. IE, if the unit in the basement activates because of a carbon > monoxide issue,, and it is late at night and we are snug in our beds on > the second floor, all of the units, will alarm, then say, "EVACUATE! > CARBON MONOXIDE IN THE BASEMENT!" > > Since these are battery operated, and wireless, there are no wires to > run. Makes it quite easy to install. Just hang them on the ceiling and > you are good to go. > > Before anyone starts raising your hand and saying that Carbon Monoxide is > heavier than air and thus the detectors should be near the floor, you are > mistaken. I've done a lot of research on this. There are many web sites > that make this invalid claim. But the real science is more convincing. > > Air is made of Nitrogen, N2, with an molecular mass of 28. And Oxygen, > O2, with an molecular mass of 32. Carbon Monoxide is made of a Carbon > atom, atomic mass 12, and one Oxygen, atomic mass 16, giving it an > molecular mass of 28, equal to N2, and lighter than Oxygen. Add to that, > the fact that C O is going to be a product of combustion, IE, it will be > warm and thus convect upward, and you get quite a good mix of the air and > C O. > > Some manufacturers say to put the Co detector on the wall at eye level, > but that is more for the fact that many CO detectors have visual displays > showing the Parts Per Million of CO in the air, and thus it makes more > sense to put it somewhere where it is more easily seen on a regular > basis. > > I thought these were worth mentioning. They're not that cheap, the com
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how about putting the CO detector in the heater room? Is that too close, and thus give eronious readings? I need to get one and would like to put it in an open air, out of the way place. On Wed, 13 Jan 2010, Dan Rossi wrote: > So, I just got some battery operated, wirelessly inter connected, > voice announcing, smoke or smoke and Carbon Monoxide detectors. > > I got one combination smoke and C O detector, and two smoke detectors. > The combo unit will go in the basement, and then one smoke detector on the > main floor, and one in the hallway on the second floor. > > You program each one for the location it is in, and then if any one of > them go off, all of them go off and tell you what the danger is, and where > it is. IE, if the unit in the basement activates because of a carbon > monoxide issue,, and it is late at night and we are snug in our beds on > the second floor, all of the units, will alarm, then say, "EVACUATE! > CARBON MONOXIDE IN THE BASEMENT!" > > Since these are battery operated, and wireless, there are no wires to > run. Makes it quite easy to install. Just hang them on the ceiling and > you are good to go. > > Before anyone starts raising your hand and saying that Carbon Monoxide is > heavier than air and thus the detectors should be near the floor, you are > mistaken. I've done a lot of research on this. There are many web sites > that make this invalid claim. But the real science is more convincing. > > Air is made of Nitrogen, N2, with an molecular mass of 28. And Oxygen, > O2, with an molecular mass of 32. Carbon Monoxide is made of a Carbon > atom, atomic mass 12, and one Oxygen, atomic mass 16, giving it an > molecular mass of 28, equal to N2, and lighter than Oxygen. Add to that, > the fact that C O is going to be a product of combustion, IE, it will be > warm and thus convect upward, and you get quite a good mix of the air and C O. > > Some manufacturers say to put the Co detector on the wall at eye level, > but that is more for the fact that many CO detectors have visual displays > showing the Parts Per Million of CO in the air, and thus it makes more > sense to put it somewhere where it is more easily seen on a regular basis. > > I thought these were worth mentioning. They're not that cheap, the combo > unit was 70 bucks, and the two pack of smoke detectors was 90 I think. I > got the combo direct from amazon, but the smoke detector twin pack came > from EAccess via amazon. > > -- > Blue skies. > Dan Rossi > Carnegie Mellon University. > E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu > Tel: (412) 268-9081 >
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If you get a tank for heating, it has to be I seem to remember anyway, at least 10 feet from the house. Propane won't freeze unless it's exposed to oxygen and then it will frost the opening closed. When exposed to oxygen, it is way below zero. I've never looked it up but it's cold. The guy that drove the delivery tanker for the company I worked for was attacked by 2 big dogs once and he gave one of the dogs a little blast of propane on the nose. That was more than enough to run the dog off. The knock against propane is the explosiveness of it. And there is no arguing that point. The problem is, carelessness and ignorance of people mixing with the explosiveness of propane and then you really have a problem. Hey here's something probably only you can appreciate. A guy was getting ready to make his first solo sky dive. As he went out of the plane, he suddenly forgot everything he had learned. As his speed increased on the way down he kept fumbling around for the rip cord. When he looked down, he saw a guy coming up at him from the ground. He yelled to the guy :Hey! Know anything about parachutes?" As the guy went past him he yelled "No! Know anything about gas grills?" - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. HMM, you learn something every day. I didn't think propane would be a good heating source for a hole house. Everywhere I've lived, you either heated with natural gas or fuel oil. So, when you heat with propane, are the tanks inside the house? I mean, doesn't propane have issues if it gets too cold? I mean, doesn't it start to have problems vaporizing? Anyway, here are the make and models of my alarms. First Alert SCO501CN-3ST ONELINK Battery Operated Combination Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm with Voice Location $69 First Alert SA511CN2-3ST ONELINK Wireless Battery Operated Smoke Alarm with Voice Location, 2-Pack $89 -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Spiro, I think you are supposed to put the CO detector no closer than six feet to CO sources. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
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Dan Thanks for the info on the units.What all is involved in setting these up and programming? Did you get at a big box outlet like Home Depot or online? Al -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:24 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. HMM, you learn something every day. I didn't think propane would be a good heating source for a hole house. Everywhere I've lived, you either heated with natural gas or fuel oil. So, when you heat with propane, are the tanks inside the house? I mean, doesn't propane have issues if it gets too cold? I mean, doesn't it start to have problems vaporizing? Anyway, here are the make and models of my alarms. First Alert SCO501CN-3ST ONELINK Battery Operated Combination Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm with Voice Location $69 First Alert SA511CN2-3ST ONELINK Wireless Battery Operated Smoke Alarm with Voice Location, 2-Pack $89 -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Propane freezes at something under 40 below. It is a problem for our propane powered automobiles and many keep the gasoline operation and tanks for those situations when the propane won't flow. Some also use heat to keep it flowing once the air flow of vehicle movement adds to the cooling. The decompressing gas acts like a refrigerant just as happens when gas is compressed then allowed to decompress in a fridge or air conditioning device. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Bob Kennedy To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. If you get a tank for heating, it has to be I seem to remember anyway, at least 10 feet from the house. Propane won't freeze unless it's exposed to oxygen and then it will frost the opening closed. When exposed to oxygen, it is way below zero. I've never looked it up but it's cold. The guy that drove the delivery tanker for the company I worked for was attacked by 2 big dogs once and he gave one of the dogs a little blast of propane on the nose. That was more than enough to run the dog off. The knock against propane is the explosiveness of it. And there is no arguing that point. The problem is, carelessness and ignorance of people mixing with the explosiveness of propane and then you really have a problem. Hey here's something probably only you can appreciate. A guy was getting ready to make his first solo sky dive. As he went out of the plane, he suddenly forgot everything he had learned. As his speed increased on the way down he kept fumbling around for the rip cord. When he looked down, he saw a guy coming up at him from the ground. He yelled to the guy :Hey! Know anything about parachutes?" As the guy went past him he yelled "No! Know anything about gas grills?" - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. HMM, you learn something every day. I didn't think propane would be a good heating source for a hole house. Everywhere I've lived, you either heated with natural gas or fuel oil. So, when you heat with propane, are the tanks inside the house? I mean, doesn't propane have issues if it gets too cold? I mean, doesn't it start to have problems vaporizing? Anyway, here are the make and models of my alarms. First Alert SCO501CN-3ST ONELINK Battery Operated Combination Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm with Voice Location $69 First Alert SA511CN2-3ST ONELINK Wireless Battery Operated Smoke Alarm with Voice Location, 2-Pack $89 -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Al, I got these units via amazon.com although the twin pack of smoke detectors was actually from EAccess, but purchased through amazon. The programming was pretty straight forward. There was a little thum notch that was actually a drawer pull. Pull that out and put two double a batts in. I had trouble figuring out the battery orientation since they didn't have the usual spring thing at the negative end. They do go in in opposite directions from each other as usual though. You can probably figure it out from there. You have to hold the test button down until it says programming or something, then it will start asking questions and giving options. You have to be pretty damn quick on the draw to hit the test button again when it says the option you want to select. The second, and subsequent alarms get set up slightly differently. You put the batteries in, but before closing the drawer, you hold down the test button until the other unit beeps, then hit the test button on the first unit. Then you can close the battery drawer and go through the programming of the second unit. I think that's how it worked. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
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Dale, Not to be picky, but propane freezes at -310F, -190C boils at -44F, -42C. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 6:51 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Propane freezes at something under 40 below. It is a problem for our propane powered automobiles and many keep the gasoline operation and tanks for those situations when the propane won't flow. Some also use heat to keep it flowing once the air flow of vehicle movement adds to the cooling. The decompressing gas acts like a refrigerant just as happens when gas is compressed then allowed to decompress in a fridge or air conditioning device. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Bob Kennedy To: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. If you get a tank for heating, it has to be I seem to remember anyway, at least 10 feet from the house. Propane won't freeze unless it's exposed to oxygen and then it will frost the opening closed. When exposed to oxygen, it is way below zero. I've never looked it up but it's cold. The guy that drove the delivery tanker for the company I worked for was attacked by 2 big dogs once and he gave one of the dogs a little blast of propane on the nose. That was more than enough to run the dog off. The knock against propane is the explosiveness of it. And there is no arguing that point. The problem is, carelessness and ignorance of people mixing with the explosiveness of propane and then you really have a problem. Hey here's something probably only you can appreciate. A guy was getting ready to make his first solo sky dive. As he went out of the plane, he suddenly forgot everything he had learned. As his speed increased on the way down he kept fumbling around for the rip cord. When he looked down, he saw a guy coming up at him from the ground. He yelled to the guy :Hey! Know anything about parachutes?" As the guy went past him he yelled "No! Know anything about gas grills?" - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. HMM, you learn something every day. I didn't think propane would be a good heating source for a hole house. Everywhere I've lived, you either heated with natural gas or fuel oil. So, when you heat with propane, are the tanks inside the house? I mean, doesn't propane have issues if it gets too cold? I mean, doesn't it start to have problems vaporizing? Anyway, here are the make and models of my alarms. First Alert SCO501CN-3ST ONELINK Battery Operated Combination Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm with Voice Location $69 First Alert SA511CN2-3ST ONELINK Wireless Battery Operated Smoke Alarm with Voice Location, 2-Pack $89 -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew. <mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu> cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Regarding Propane, it is often used in rural areas where Natural Gas service is not available in place of electric or oil. - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Bob, Very good point about the propane. I've read that as well, but forget about it, since I've never known anyone to heat with propane. I think that is because I've typically lived in cold climates. I think propane heat is more common in places where heat is not a necessity. I could be wrong there though. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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You are correct. What I meant was boil. At minus 43C or there abouts it remains a liquid so can't be burned in a propane modified engine. In cold weather use they add pre-heaters but mostly they don't work well until the engine is running hot so many keep the gasoline and carburetor so they can switch over when necessary. There are also places where you can't buy propane for automobiles or where it is hard to find a supplier so keeping the gasoline equipment provides that better versatility. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Michael baldwin To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:53 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Dale, Not to be picky, but propane freezes at -310F, -190C boils at -44F, -42C. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 6:51 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Propane freezes at something under 40 below. It is a problem for our propane powered automobiles and many keep the gasoline operation and tanks for those situations when the propane won't flow. Some also use heat to keep it flowing once the air flow of vehicle movement adds to the cooling. The decompressing gas acts like a refrigerant just as happens when gas is compressed then allowed to decompress in a fridge or air conditioning device. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Bob Kennedy To: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. If you get a tank for heating, it has to be I seem to remember anyway, at least 10 feet from the house. Propane won't freeze unless it's exposed to oxygen and then it will frost the opening closed. When exposed to oxygen, it is way below zero. I've never looked it up but it's cold. The guy that drove the delivery tanker for the company I worked for was attacked by 2 big dogs once and he gave one of the dogs a little blast of propane on the nose. That was more than enough to run the dog off. The knock against propane is the explosiveness of it. And there is no arguing that point. The problem is, carelessness and ignorance of people mixing with the explosiveness of propane and then you really have a problem. Hey here's something probably only you can appreciate. A guy was getting ready to make his first solo sky dive. As he went out of the plane, he suddenly forgot everything he had learned. As his speed increased on the way down he kept fumbling around for the rip cord. When he looked down, he saw a guy coming up at him from the ground. He yelled to the guy :Hey! Know anything about parachutes?" As the guy went past him he yelled "No! Know anything about gas grills?" - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. HMM, you learn something every day. I didn't think propane would be a good heating source for a hole house. Everywhere I've lived, you either heated with natural gas or fuel oil. So, when you heat with propane, are the tanks inside the house? I mean, doesn't propane have issues if it gets too cold? I mean, doesn't it start to have problems vaporizing? Anyway, here are the make and models of my alarms. First Alert SCO501CN-3ST ONELINK Battery Operated Combination Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm with Voice Location $69 First Alert SA511CN2-3ST ONELINK Wireless Battery Operated Smoke Alarm with Voice Location, 2-Pack $89 -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew. <mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu> cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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This needs a subject line change. moderator - Original Message - From: "Art Rizzino" To: Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Regarding Propane, it is often used in rural areas where Natural Gas service is not available in place of electric or oil. - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Bob, Very good point about the propane. I've read that as well, but forget about it, since I've never known anyone to heat with propane. I think that is because I've typically lived in cold climates. I think propane heat is more common in places where heat is not a necessity. I could be wrong there though. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ NOD32 4773 (20100114) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
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True but the thread may continue. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. - Original Message - From: "Lenny McHugh" To: Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. This needs a subject line change. moderator - Original Message - From: "Art Rizzino" To: Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Regarding Propane, it is often used in rural areas where Natural Gas service is not available in place of electric or oil. - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Bob, Very good point about the propane. I've read that as well, but forget about it, since I've never known anyone to heat with propane. I think that is because I've typically lived in cold climates. I think propane heat is more common in places where heat is not a necessity. I could be wrong there though. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ NOD32 4773 (20100114) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links
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Dan, Thanks, sounds interesting. How did you come about deciding on this particular model?Terrie and I are going to probably replace the C O 2 detectors we have. They are the kind that plug into the electric outlet. I've heard they should be replaced every year or two? Do you know anything about that? What are the recommendations on the new unit you just got? thanks, Al -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:18 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Al, I got these units via amazon.com although the twin pack of smoke detectors was actually from EAccess, but purchased through amazon. The programming was pretty straight forward. There was a little thum notch that was actually a drawer pull. Pull that out and put two double a batts in. I had trouble figuring out the battery orientation since they didn't have the usual spring thing at the negative end. They do go in in opposite directions from each other as usual though. You can probably figure it out from there. You have to hold the test button down until it says programming or something, then it will start asking questions and giving options. You have to be pretty damn quick on the draw to hit the test button again when it says the option you want to select. The second, and subsequent alarms get set up slightly differently. You put the batteries in, but before closing the drawer, you hold down the test button until the other unit beeps, then hit the test button on the first unit. Then you can close the battery drawer and go through the programming of the second unit. I think that's how it worked. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Al, I just did some searching on line and didn't find a lot of combination units that were both battery operated,, wirelessly connected, and voice alarms. This model fit the bill. They recommend replacing it after five years. I think that is what I read. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
