Re: [BlindHandyMan] Shut off valve
I have had pecs under a sink and toilet for 15 months. Be careful to not crush the material in the instalation. Otherwise, good stuff. On Tue, 25 May 2010, Bob Kennedy wrote: Home Depot sells the Shark Bights. I have not had a problem with them yet. I just replaced the shower mixer and faucet Saturday. The closest shut off was under the house, and the shower was on the 2nd floor. As I was rushed for time, I didn't want to solder 2 new shut offs in a very confined area. I went to Lowes since it is closer to the house. This store didn't stock their brand, Gator Bights, with a shut off. I picked up 2 Shark Bights for half inch copper and had them in place in less than 5 minutes. The best test I know is to turn the water on and watch for leaks. Not a one... So I continue to give them my best rating for what it's worth. I can't talk about Pecs since I haven't done any yet. - Original Message - From: Alan Terrie Robbins To: Blindhandyman Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:09 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Shut off valve Just called my local hardware store as I need to pick up a shut off valve to go in half inch copper line. I believe what I want is referred to as a gate valve (inside totally retracts to give full unrestricted flow) correct? I asked if they had these so I could use the shark bite fittings. They said they had Pex and it was the same. Since I've read about both but never used either are these the same or interchangeable? Is there a special tool I'll need to have on hand to remove should I want to? Last question: Do you feel the shark bite or Pex are as reliable as compression fittings? thanks Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Shut off valve
I had a bathroom fosses that needed replaced and when I opened the cabinet door below the sink, I discovered that there weren't any shut offs. So I went to Lows being that it was the closest and asked for the shark brand and was told they only carried Gator Bights. So I bought 2 and haven't had a problem. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5148 (20100526) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Shut off valve
Al, Maybe I don't understand you, or maybe I don't understand Shark bite or pex. If you have Copper line, and you are installing a valve, or replacing an existing valve, you need a shark bite valve. If you have pex, or are running new lines, then you can use either a shark bite, or pex valve on a pex line. I believe that there are specific valves for pex, but I am pretty sure that shark bite valves will work on either Copper or pex. Hope I haven't confused things. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Shut off valve
Al, I think you may want a ball valve. They tend to be a lot more reliable than gate valves. PEX is not the same thing, it is a plastic material. There are methods of joining it to copper but I am unfamiliar with any of them except by sweating threaded fittings onto the ends of the pipes to be linked with plastic types of fitting. I seem to remember that there is a sort of bulbous fitting which can be put onto the end of a copper pipe and the PEX heated and forced over the bulb where it cools and contracts and is further secured with a band. There may also be compression plastic fittings to clamp down over the ends of the copper certainly there are such fittings for drain lines but I don't know about pressured water lines. - Original Message - From: Alan Terrie Robbins To: Blindhandyman Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:09 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Shut off valve Just called my local hardware store as I need to pick up a shut off valve to go in half inch copper line. I believe what I want is referred to as a gate valve (inside totally retracts to give full unrestricted flow) correct? I asked if they had these so I could use the shark bite fittings. They said they had Pex and it was the same. Since I've read about both but never used either are these the same or interchangeable? Is there a special tool I'll need to have on hand to remove should I want to? Last question: Do you feel the shark bite or Pex are as reliable as compression fittings? thanks Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Shut off valve
Dale Dan, Thanks to both of you for getting back to me before Terrie gets home and I go to that damn hardware store. Let me explain what I'm doing and maybe that will help me better understand the suggestions you guys are making. When I go away from home I have this thing I am concerned over and that is a water leak while I'm gone for a week or so. I usually shut off the main water valve just below the water meter when we go away. The problem with this is it is near the floor down behind the washer and it is quite a trick to lay on the washer and reach that sucker. The main line runs right up behind the washer and what I figured I'd do is simply cut the line and put an additional shut off valve in the main line where it is nice easy to reach. However, I want one that opens fully like the one before the water meter so as to not constrict the flow volume in the main line. I usually use compression fittings when working with copper line and have never had a problem. However with the newer stuff like shark bite fittings I thought they may be better. I've never played with Pex or even seen it (unless that is what the foot long or so things are going from my hot water heater and connect to the copper pipe) so I don't want to get into something complicated, I just want to insert a valve and then get onto more projects. So, with this, what is the suggestion? thanks Al -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Dale Leavens Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:44 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Shut off valve Al, I think you may want a ball valve. They tend to be a lot more reliable than gate valves. PEX is not the same thing, it is a plastic material. There are methods of joining it to copper but I am unfamiliar with any of them except by sweating threaded fittings onto the ends of the pipes to be linked with plastic types of fitting. I seem to remember that there is a sort of bulbous fitting which can be put onto the end of a copper pipe and the PEX heated and forced over the bulb where it cools and contracts and is further secured with a band. There may also be compression plastic fittings to clamp down over the ends of the copper certainly there are such fittings for drain lines but I don't know about pressured water lines. - Original Message - From: Alan Terrie Robbins To: Blindhandyman Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:09 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Shut off valve Just called my local hardware store as I need to pick up a shut off valve to go in half inch copper line. I believe what I want is referred to as a gate valve (inside totally retracts to give full unrestricted flow) correct? I asked if they had these so I could use the shark bite fittings. They said they had Pex and it was the same. Since I've read about both but never used either are these the same or interchangeable? Is there a special tool I'll need to have on hand to remove should I want to? Last question: Do you feel the shark bite or Pex are as reliable as compression fittings? thanks Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Shut off valve
I would cut a section of the copper pipe out, where you want the valve, and get a ball valve with compression fittings. Shark bite can supposedly work with about any kind of pipe, but if you have had luck with compression, why spend the extra money. Ball valves have little to no restrictions when they are open, and it only takes a quarter turn to have it fully open or fully closed, and they do not seem to leak around the stem like gate valves do. I am actually going to be doing this soon, but I have 3/4 galvanized. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Terrie Robbins Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:03 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Shut off valve Dale Dan, Thanks to both of you for getting back to me before Terrie gets home and I go to that damn hardware store. Let me explain what I'm doing and maybe that will help me better understand the suggestions you guys are making. When I go away from home I have this thing I am concerned over and that is a water leak while I'm gone for a week or so. I usually shut off the main water valve just below the water meter when we go away. The problem with this is it is near the floor down behind the washer and it is quite a trick to lay on the washer and reach that sucker. The main line runs right up behind the washer and what I figured I'd do is simply cut the line and put an additional shut off valve in the main line where it is nice easy to reach. However, I want one that opens fully like the one before the water meter so as to not constrict the flow volume in the main line. I usually use compression fittings when working with copper line and have never had a problem. However with the newer stuff like shark bite fittings I thought they may be better. I've never played with Pex or even seen it (unless that is what the foot long or so things are going from my hot water heater and connect to the copper pipe) so I don't want to get into something complicated, I just want to insert a valve and then get onto more projects. So, with this, what is the suggestion? thanks Al -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf Of Dale Leavens Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:44 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Shut off valve Al, I think you may want a ball valve. They tend to be a lot more reliable than gate valves. PEX is not the same thing, it is a plastic material. There are methods of joining it to copper but I am unfamiliar with any of them except by sweating threaded fittings onto the ends of the pipes to be linked with plastic types of fitting. I seem to remember that there is a sort of bulbous fitting which can be put onto the end of a copper pipe and the PEX heated and forced over the bulb where it cools and contracts and is further secured with a band. There may also be compression plastic fittings to clamp down over the ends of the copper certainly there are such fittings for drain lines but I don't know about pressured water lines. - Original Message - From: Alan Terrie Robbins To: Blindhandyman Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:09 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Shut off valve Just called my local hardware store as I need to pick up a shut off valve to go in half inch copper line. I believe what I want is referred to as a gate valve (inside totally retracts to give full unrestricted flow) correct? I asked if they had these so I could use the shark bite fittings. They said they had Pex and it was the same. Since I've read about both but never used either are these the same or interchangeable? Is there a special tool I'll need to have on hand to remove should I want to? Last question: Do you feel the shark bite or Pex are as reliable as compression fittings? thanks Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Shut off valve
Al, I think there are others better qualified to answer your question here, but if you are cutting a Copper line, and want to install a shut-off valve, I think your options are a regular valve that has to be sweated on, a compression fitting, or a shark bite. I don't think that PEX comes into play at all here, other than the fact that I think shark bites can do both PEX and Copper. When you go to the hardware store, just explain it like you did here. You are cutting a Copper line, and just installing a shut-off inline. I agree with Dale that you want a ball valve. I had most of the valves in my basement replaced with ball valves, including one just above the main shut-off. I haven't noticed any reduction in flow. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Shut off valve
Dan, Mike, Dale, Thanks, it's off to the hardware store later I go to get a ball valve. Thanks for all the ideas discussion. Al -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:45 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Shut off valve Al, I think there are others better qualified to answer your question here, but if you are cutting a Copper line, and want to install a shut-off valve, I think your options are a regular valve that has to be sweated on, a compression fitting, or a shark bite. I don't think that PEX comes into play at all here, other than the fact that I think shark bites can do both PEX and Copper. When you go to the hardware store, just explain it like you did here. You are cutting a Copper line, and just installing a shut-off inline. I agree with Dale that you want a ball valve. I had most of the valves in my basement replaced with ball valves, including one just above the main shut-off. I haven't noticed any reduction in flow. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Shut off valve
I'm not a contractor; so I've not done hundreds of them. But i haven't seen seems where it looked like it would blow apart under consumer pressure. I'd go with them, unless *maybe* the set up is outside and going to take abuse that the copper or galvanized could take as necessity. On Tue, 25 May 2010, Alan Terrie Robbins wrote: Just called my local hardware store as I need to pick up a shut off valve to go in half inch copper line. I believe what I want is referred to as a gate valve (inside totally retracts to give full unrestricted flow) correct? I asked if they had these so I could use the shark bite fittings. They said they had Pex and it was the same. Since I've read about both but never used either are these the same or interchangeable? Is there a special tool I'll need to have on hand to remove should I want to? Last question: Do you feel the shark bite or Pex are as reliable as compression fittings? thanks Al
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Shut off valve
Home Depot sells the Shark Bights. I have not had a problem with them yet. I just replaced the shower mixer and faucet Saturday. The closest shut off was under the house, and the shower was on the 2nd floor. As I was rushed for time, I didn't want to solder 2 new shut offs in a very confined area. I went to Lowes since it is closer to the house. This store didn't stock their brand, Gator Bights, with a shut off. I picked up 2 Shark Bights for half inch copper and had them in place in less than 5 minutes. The best test I know is to turn the water on and watch for leaks. Not a one... So I continue to give them my best rating for what it's worth. I can't talk about Pecs since I haven't done any yet. - Original Message - From: Alan Terrie Robbins To: Blindhandyman Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:09 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Shut off valve Just called my local hardware store as I need to pick up a shut off valve to go in half inch copper line. I believe what I want is referred to as a gate valve (inside totally retracts to give full unrestricted flow) correct? I asked if they had these so I could use the shark bite fittings. They said they had Pex and it was the same. Since I've read about both but never used either are these the same or interchangeable? Is there a special tool I'll need to have on hand to remove should I want to? Last question: Do you feel the shark bite or Pex are as reliable as compression fittings? thanks Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
