Re: [BlindHandyMan] insulation question& Coldness statement.
Lice and poverty, that is what happened. I had never thought of it before myself, but some schools have a problem with keeping kids in warm clothes. Kids have to keep the coats and everything at their desks because of the lice epidemics. Lice is far more comment and quick to turn into a school epedimic than it used to be. Also a lot of kids in poverty ridden areas do not have proper coats and stuff. Also, kids and parents are wimpier now. My own belief is that schools should keep the lost and found items from the other years and bundle everyone up anyway. Being outside in the fresh air is good for them for a number of physical and psychological reasons. Jennifer - Original Message - From: Blaine Deutscher To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] insulation question& Coldness statement. well that isn't anything. When I went to school we played outside in -30 C and now when it gets that cold they bring all the kids inside for reces. what happened to dresing warmly? Blaine - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] insulation question& Coldness statement. It is only minus 18 C today which is around 0F but with about 25 Kilometer per hour wind it was uncomfortable waiting around for the guy to fill my propane tank. I've got some ribs smoking outside, they'll take a while So far this year I think we have only had one night where it got down to minus 30C which would be about 22 below Fahrenheit By minus 40 the two scales meet then the Fahrenheit numbers begin to increment very rapidly. As a kid I remember walking to school at beyond 60 below back when we used Fahrenheit which would be about minus 51C. They now take the school buses off the road for some reason at minus 40C, we didn't even have school busses to take off the road. They all have two way radios and of course large numbers of kids will have cell phones. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Joe Plummer To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] insulation question& Coldness statement. Boy you all are talking about cold I have never experience and hope I don't. I live in Florida and it is 50 or so here now and last night it was down to about 27 and I thought I was going to freeze! Sign, JP ( Joe Plummer) joeplum...@tds.net -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:19 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] insulation question Yes, this is very helpful and thank you very much. On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Dale Leavens wrote: > Hi Scott, > > Some of the modern spray-in foams are probably a little better than glass fiber but they can be pretty expensive to have installed particularly a small area like you describe. The main advantage is that they will fill the space snugly and completely and in the process probably help seal some air infiltration points. This will require an installer though so a small area becomes relatively expensive. > > Sealing all air infiltration leaks is the first an most helpful. This might include where the wall meets the floor if you can get some access to that. > > The main advantage to using fiberglass bats is that you can more easily fit them into the spaces if you cut and fluff them with care. Snug but not tight or compressed. > > If the joist bays run over the basement wall then my advice is to extend the bats through the bay space a foot or more over the basement wall so you are insulating some part of the floor over the edge of the basement. Don't be shy to fill the entire bay, if a 2 by 10 bay then fill it with fully 10 inches of fiber glass. Depending on the design and how much exterior wall extends below the floor you can install what ever thickness of extruded foam board under the fiber glass to hold it up under the floor and to form another contiguous layer of insulation over the under side of the joists. This will hold the fiber glass up into the bay space and provide some insulation to reduce the thermal bridging through the wooden joists. > > I have a similar situation to yours, where I extended the master bedroom out over the first story wall by 2 feet. I filled the space with fiber glass and had room for 3 and a half inches of the blue foam under then strapping and soffit. We have had it as cold as minus 40 with no perceptible additional cold on the hardwood floor along the edge of t
Re: [BlindHandyMan] insulation question& Coldness statement.
well that isn't anything. When I went to school we played outside in -30 C and now when it gets that cold they bring all the kids inside for reces. what happened to dresing warmly? Blaine - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] insulation question& Coldness statement. It is only minus 18 C today which is around 0F but with about 25 Kilometer per hour wind it was uncomfortable waiting around for the guy to fill my propane tank. I've got some ribs smoking outside, they'll take a while So far this year I think we have only had one night where it got down to minus 30C which would be about 22 below Fahrenheit By minus 40 the two scales meet then the Fahrenheit numbers begin to increment very rapidly. As a kid I remember walking to school at beyond 60 below back when we used Fahrenheit which would be about minus 51C. They now take the school buses off the road for some reason at minus 40C, we didn't even have school busses to take off the road. They all have two way radios and of course large numbers of kids will have cell phones. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Joe Plummer To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] insulation question& Coldness statement. Boy you all are talking about cold I have never experience and hope I don't. I live in Florida and it is 50 or so here now and last night it was down to about 27 and I thought I was going to freeze! Sign, JP ( Joe Plummer) joeplum...@tds.net -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:19 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] insulation question Yes, this is very helpful and thank you very much. On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Dale Leavens wrote: > Hi Scott, > > Some of the modern spray-in foams are probably a little better than glass fiber but they can be pretty expensive to have installed particularly a small area like you describe. The main advantage is that they will fill the space snugly and completely and in the process probably help seal some air infiltration points. This will require an installer though so a small area becomes relatively expensive. > > Sealing all air infiltration leaks is the first an most helpful. This might include where the wall meets the floor if you can get some access to that. > > The main advantage to using fiberglass bats is that you can more easily fit them into the spaces if you cut and fluff them with care. Snug but not tight or compressed. > > If the joist bays run over the basement wall then my advice is to extend the bats through the bay space a foot or more over the basement wall so you are insulating some part of the floor over the edge of the basement. Don't be shy to fill the entire bay, if a 2 by 10 bay then fill it with fully 10 inches of fiber glass. Depending on the design and how much exterior wall extends below the floor you can install what ever thickness of extruded foam board under the fiber glass to hold it up under the floor and to form another contiguous layer of insulation over the under side of the joists. This will hold the fiber glass up into the bay space and provide some insulation to reduce the thermal bridging through the wooden joists. > > I have a similar situation to yours, where I extended the master bedroom out over the first story wall by 2 feet. I filled the space with fiber glass and had room for 3 and a half inches of the blue foam under then strapping and soffit. We have had it as cold as minus 40 with no perceptible additional cold on the hardwood floor along the edge of that room. Mind you the poly air barrier up the wall also wraps under the fiber glass and on up the second story wall as well then on up over the ceiling. > > Hope this is helpful. > > If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie > > - Original Message - > From: Scott Howell > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:35 AM > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] insulation question > > Hi all, > > I have a question about a type of insulation that would best fit this specific application. I don't know if this particular application is so much unique, but any thoughts are appreciated. > The way my house sits on the foundation, results in one section hanging over the basement walls by about 14 inches or so. When I first moved here there was no insulation and you can bet the floors in the bedrooms over that short area got quite cold. So, I stuffed some insulation in there and can't recall what R rating etc. is in there, but it is faced. So, I'm thinking that perhaps I&
Re: [BlindHandyMan] insulation question& Coldness statement.
It is only minus 18 C today which is around 0F but with about 25 Kilometer per hour wind it was uncomfortable waiting around for the guy to fill my propane tank. I've got some ribs smoking outside, they'll take a while So far this year I think we have only had one night where it got down to minus 30C which would be about 22 below Fahrenheit By minus 40 the two scales meet then the Fahrenheit numbers begin to increment very rapidly. As a kid I remember walking to school at beyond 60 below back when we used Fahrenheit which would be about minus 51C. They now take the school buses off the road for some reason at minus 40C, we didn't even have school busses to take off the road. They all have two way radios and of course large numbers of kids will have cell phones. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Joe Plummer To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] insulation question& Coldness statement. Boy you all are talking about cold I have never experience and hope I don't. I live in Florida and it is 50 or so here now and last night it was down to about 27 and I thought I was going to freeze! Sign, JP ( Joe Plummer) joeplum...@tds.net -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:19 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] insulation question Yes, this is very helpful and thank you very much. On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Dale Leavens wrote: > Hi Scott, > > Some of the modern spray-in foams are probably a little better than glass fiber but they can be pretty expensive to have installed particularly a small area like you describe. The main advantage is that they will fill the space snugly and completely and in the process probably help seal some air infiltration points. This will require an installer though so a small area becomes relatively expensive. > > Sealing all air infiltration leaks is the first an most helpful. This might include where the wall meets the floor if you can get some access to that. > > The main advantage to using fiberglass bats is that you can more easily fit them into the spaces if you cut and fluff them with care. Snug but not tight or compressed. > > If the joist bays run over the basement wall then my advice is to extend the bats through the bay space a foot or more over the basement wall so you are insulating some part of the floor over the edge of the basement. Don't be shy to fill the entire bay, if a 2 by 10 bay then fill it with fully 10 inches of fiber glass. Depending on the design and how much exterior wall extends below the floor you can install what ever thickness of extruded foam board under the fiber glass to hold it up under the floor and to form another contiguous layer of insulation over the under side of the joists. This will hold the fiber glass up into the bay space and provide some insulation to reduce the thermal bridging through the wooden joists. > > I have a similar situation to yours, where I extended the master bedroom out over the first story wall by 2 feet. I filled the space with fiber glass and had room for 3 and a half inches of the blue foam under then strapping and soffit. We have had it as cold as minus 40 with no perceptible additional cold on the hardwood floor along the edge of that room. Mind you the poly air barrier up the wall also wraps under the fiber glass and on up the second story wall as well then on up over the ceiling. > > Hope this is helpful. > > If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie > > - Original Message - > From: Scott Howell > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:35 AM > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] insulation question > > Hi all, > > I have a question about a type of insulation that would best fit this specific application. I don't know if this particular application is so much unique, but any thoughts are appreciated. > The way my house sits on the foundation, results in one section hanging over the basement walls by about 14 inches or so. When I first moved here there was no insulation and you can bet the floors in the bedrooms over that short area got quite cold. So, I stuffed some insulation in there and can't recall what R rating etc. is in there, but it is faced. So, I'm thinking that perhaps I'll add or replace that insulation with something, which may be even more effective. So, I'm looking for some ideas for what might be a proper insulation such as maybe attic insulation? Would the fiberglass be best in
Re: [BlindHandyMan] insulation question& Coldness statement.
I lived in Daytona for a year and remember when it dropped to 30 one November. I have moved from Buffalo so 30 was still beach weather. It's not any more band I'm as far North as I want to live right now. - Original Message - From: Joe Plummer To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] insulation question& Coldness statement. Boy you all are talking about cold I have never experience and hope I don't. I live in Florida and it is 50 or so here now and last night it was down to about 27 and I thought I was going to freeze! Sign, JP ( Joe Plummer) joeplum...@tds.net -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:19 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] insulation question Yes, this is very helpful and thank you very much. On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Dale Leavens wrote: > Hi Scott, > > Some of the modern spray-in foams are probably a little better than glass fiber but they can be pretty expensive to have installed particularly a small area like you describe. The main advantage is that they will fill the space snugly and completely and in the process probably help seal some air infiltration points. This will require an installer though so a small area becomes relatively expensive. > > Sealing all air infiltration leaks is the first an most helpful. This might include where the wall meets the floor if you can get some access to that. > > The main advantage to using fiberglass bats is that you can more easily fit them into the spaces if you cut and fluff them with care. Snug but not tight or compressed. > > If the joist bays run over the basement wall then my advice is to extend the bats through the bay space a foot or more over the basement wall so you are insulating some part of the floor over the edge of the basement. Don't be shy to fill the entire bay, if a 2 by 10 bay then fill it with fully 10 inches of fiber glass. Depending on the design and how much exterior wall extends below the floor you can install what ever thickness of extruded foam board under the fiber glass to hold it up under the floor and to form another contiguous layer of insulation over the under side of the joists. This will hold the fiber glass up into the bay space and provide some insulation to reduce the thermal bridging through the wooden joists. > > I have a similar situation to yours, where I extended the master bedroom out over the first story wall by 2 feet. I filled the space with fiber glass and had room for 3 and a half inches of the blue foam under then strapping and soffit. We have had it as cold as minus 40 with no perceptible additional cold on the hardwood floor along the edge of that room. Mind you the poly air barrier up the wall also wraps under the fiber glass and on up the second story wall as well then on up over the ceiling. > > Hope this is helpful. > > If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie > > - Original Message - > From: Scott Howell > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:35 AM > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] insulation question > > Hi all, > > I have a question about a type of insulation that would best fit this specific application. I don't know if this particular application is so much unique, but any thoughts are appreciated. > The way my house sits on the foundation, results in one section hanging over the basement walls by about 14 inches or so. When I first moved here there was no insulation and you can bet the floors in the bedrooms over that short area got quite cold. So, I stuffed some insulation in there and can't recall what R rating etc. is in there, but it is faced. So, I'm thinking that perhaps I'll add or replace that insulation with something, which may be even more effective. So, I'm looking for some ideas for what might be a proper insulation such as maybe attic insulation? Would the fiberglass be best in this application or some of that foam material or maybe a combo of the two? I think what is there does help, but I've noticed some cold air getting in, so I wanted to remove what is there, inspect, plug any holes or gaps and then re-insulate. > > THanks, > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/in
RE: [BlindHandyMan] insulation question& Coldness statement.
Boy you all are talking about cold I have never experience and hope I don't. I live in Florida and it is 50 or so here now and last night it was down to about 27 and I thought I was going to freeze! Sign, JP ( Joe Plummer) joeplum...@tds.net -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:19 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] insulation question Yes, this is very helpful and thank you very much. On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Dale Leavens wrote: > Hi Scott, > > Some of the modern spray-in foams are probably a little better than glass fiber but they can be pretty expensive to have installed particularly a small area like you describe. The main advantage is that they will fill the space snugly and completely and in the process probably help seal some air infiltration points. This will require an installer though so a small area becomes relatively expensive. > > Sealing all air infiltration leaks is the first an most helpful. This might include where the wall meets the floor if you can get some access to that. > > The main advantage to using fiberglass bats is that you can more easily fit them into the spaces if you cut and fluff them with care. Snug but not tight or compressed. > > If the joist bays run over the basement wall then my advice is to extend the bats through the bay space a foot or more over the basement wall so you are insulating some part of the floor over the edge of the basement. Don't be shy to fill the entire bay, if a 2 by 10 bay then fill it with fully 10 inches of fiber glass. Depending on the design and how much exterior wall extends below the floor you can install what ever thickness of extruded foam board under the fiber glass to hold it up under the floor and to form another contiguous layer of insulation over the under side of the joists. This will hold the fiber glass up into the bay space and provide some insulation to reduce the thermal bridging through the wooden joists. > > I have a similar situation to yours, where I extended the master bedroom out over the first story wall by 2 feet. I filled the space with fiber glass and had room for 3 and a half inches of the blue foam under then strapping and soffit. We have had it as cold as minus 40 with no perceptible additional cold on the hardwood floor along the edge of that room. Mind you the poly air barrier up the wall also wraps under the fiber glass and on up the second story wall as well then on up over the ceiling. > > Hope this is helpful. > > If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie > > - Original Message - > From: Scott Howell > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:35 AM > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] insulation question > > Hi all, > > I have a question about a type of insulation that would best fit this specific application. I don't know if this particular application is so much unique, but any thoughts are appreciated. > The way my house sits on the foundation, results in one section hanging over the basement walls by about 14 inches or so. When I first moved here there was no insulation and you can bet the floors in the bedrooms over that short area got quite cold. So, I stuffed some insulation in there and can't recall what R rating etc. is in there, but it is faced. So, I'm thinking that perhaps I'll add or replace that insulation with something, which may be even more effective. So, I'm looking for some ideas for what might be a proper insulation such as maybe attic insulation? Would the fiberglass be best in this application or some of that foam material or maybe a combo of the two? I think what is there does help, but I've noticed some cold air getting in, so I wanted to remove what is there, inspect, plug any holes or gaps and then re-insulate. > > THanks, > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_p age&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blin
