Re: opensuse tumbleweed
Aptitude includes fields for compressed(persumably the size of the .deb) and uncompressed(presumably how much space the installed package will take up) sizes for each package, but that's just for that package I can see the total installed size of a package on my rpm-based Fedora system, but I don't see the compressed size, nor do I see either size for the package along with its dependencies. That said, I just used dnf info to look up the package information; I didn't refine the query in any way. there are lots of things I can find out about rpm packages, I'm just not sure the total compressed or installed size of all dependencies is one of those things I can look up. ~Kyle ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: opensuse tumbleweed
Now I'm curious... Is there a way to get a report on any of the following?: -The Installed size of a package and all it's dependencies. -The download size of a package and all it's dependencies. -The install size of a package, its dependencies, and its recommends. -The download size of a package, its dependencies, and its recommends. Preferably for Apt-based systems(I know Suse is RPM based, but I'm typing this from a Debian box). Aptitude includes fields for compressed(persumably the size of the .deb) and uncompressed(presumably how much space the installed package will take up) sizes for each package, but that's just for that package itself(Aptitude reports 2093k compressed and 15m uncompressed for Orca's size), so it's of limited use for packages that aren't self-contained... and if the report could exclude sizes of shared dependencies to things like python, an xserver, or a desktop meta package, the things one would likely have installed even without the target package, that would be even better... ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: opensuse tumbleweed
The Internet connection wouldn't necessarily need to be a problem, one can USB tether from their smartphone, I use this technique for some installers having trouble connecting to a wifi. But overall, it seems weird to me a distro would leave out orca for space reasons, in 2023, when the screenreader together with speechd and all other dependencies is hardly noticeable. Best regards Rastislav Dňa 7. 10. 2023 o 4:49 Linux for blind general discussion napísal(a): > Your premise assumes that internet access is already connected and > available on the computer where the iso is running and Orca is to be > installed. Unfortunately this is not every computer, especially those > that must connect to wifi or any other type of internet services that > require usernames, passwords, etc. Better would be to leave some things > off the install media so that the all-important screen reader can be > installed, even if it means leaving off an office suite or a browser > and/or email application. Those things could be very easily installed > over the internet once Orca has been started, or for users that don't > need Orca, they can have such other packages installed over the internet > after logging in as needed. > > ~Kyle > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: opensuse tumbleweed
And really, is space really that much of a premium on install media? I mean, flash storage is so cheap that it's hard to find anything smaller than 32GB these days, and you have to go back like 20 years to find machines that are limited to CD... and worse come to worse, you can just put extra software on a second disc for those offline machines. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: opensuse tumbleweed
Your premise assumes that internet access is already connected and available on the computer where the iso is running and Orca is to be installed. Unfortunately this is not every computer, especially those that must connect to wifi or any other type of internet services that require usernames, passwords, etc. Better would be to leave some things off the install media so that the all-important screen reader can be installed, even if it means leaving off an office suite or a browser and/or email application. Those things could be very easily installed over the internet once Orca has been started, or for users that don't need Orca, they can have such other packages installed over the internet after logging in as needed. ~Kyle ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
opensuse tumbleweed
An idea for all linux distributions with orca in their repositories and not enough space to have it on their install disks. Put a question up on the screen and allow a reasonable number of seconds to pass to get an answer. No answer, download and install orca and all of its dependencies, run orca, and have orca ask that question. This way the sighted people constantly writing stuff on the internet to find out how to turn off orca won't be doing that any more since orca never got installed on their machines but did get installed on machines that actually need it to run linux. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Giving openSuse tumbleweed a go
PS Now I am not sure: is KDE or GNOME their default desktop? Le 22/05/2022 à 17:01, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : > Hi Brandt, > > openSUSE Tumbleweed is a very good distribution with a good documentation @ > https://doc.opensuse.org/ (although not for Tumbleweed specifically) and most > a11y software are easily instayled, however I am not sure that their > installed > be accessible. Did you try? If Yes if their default KDE desktop fully > accessible? > > Now back to work on the long overdue new Slint installer ;) > > Cheers, > Didier > > Le 18/05/2022 à 09:48, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : >> Hi all, >> >> Seeing that I cannot get Orca to talk at the Fedora 36 install, I've decided >> to >> give openSuse Tumbleweed a whirl. >> >> I like Ubuntu 22.04 with Gnome just fine, my preferred distro for daily >> driving >> is still Slint, but I'd really like to test some more intresting things. >> > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Giving openSuse tumbleweed a go
Hi Brandt, openSUSE Tumbleweed is a very good distribution with a good documentation @ https://doc.opensuse.org/ (although not for Tumbleweed specifically) and most a11y software are easily instayled, however I am not sure that their installed be accessible. Did you try? If Yes if their default KDE desktop fully accessible? Now back to work on the long overdue new Slint installer ;) Cheers, Didier Le 18/05/2022 à 09:48, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : > Hi all, > > Seeing that I cannot get Orca to talk at the Fedora 36 install, I've decided > to > give openSuse Tumbleweed a whirl. > > I like Ubuntu 22.04 with Gnome just fine, my preferred distro for daily > driving > is still Slint, but I'd really like to test some more intresting things. > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Giving openSuse tumbleweed a go
Hi all, Seeing that I cannot get Orca to talk at the Fedora 36 install, I've decided to give openSuse Tumbleweed a whirl. I like Ubuntu 22.04 with Gnome just fine, my preferred distro for daily driving is still Slint, but I'd really like to test some more intresting things. -- Warm regards, Brandt Steenkamp Sent using Thunderbird from the Ubuntu machine ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: opensuse tumbleweed screen reader install?
No. William Acker was not the original developer of Espeak. Jonathan Duddington was the original developer, and we can only speculate whatmay have happened to him. Did he die? Did he burn out? Did he move and leave no forwarding address? Was he involved in a debilitating accident that left him unable to communicate? Did he just decide to stop development without letting anyone know? This is the speculation, but unfortunately, no one may ever know. But we do now have espeak-ng, which is a good thing. Imetumwa kutoka ndizi yangu ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: opensuse tumbleweed screen reader install?
If you refer to William Acker as being the previous developer of espeak, no speculation at all is necessary. In Amateur Radio Terminology he became a Silent Key about three years ago. Others might say he went for reincarnation. The obituary was on the speakup list shortly after that happened. On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 21:45:03 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: opensuse tumbleweed screen reader install? OpenSUSE's website is https://opensuse.org/ You can get more information and download it from there. OpenSUSE ships with espeak, as most distros do, although some distros are packaging espeak-ng now, which is the continuation of Espeak, since the previous developer of Espeak itself seems to have fallen off the face of the earth as of about 3 years ago. There is lots of speculation surrounding what may have happened to him, but that's all we have. Well, that and the continuation, which has been named espeak-ng. Imetumwa kutoka vitamini na madini ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: opensuse tumbleweed screen reader install?
OpenSUSE's website is https://opensuse.org/ You can get more information and download it from there. OpenSUSE ships with espeak, as most distros do, although some distros are packaging espeak-ng now, which is the continuation of Espeak, since the previous developer of Espeak itself seems to have fallen off the face of the earth as of about 3 years ago. There is lots of speculation surrounding what may have happened to him, but that's all we have. Well, that and the continuation, which has been named espeak-ng. Imetumwa kutoka vitamini na madini ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: opensuse tumbleweed screen reader install?
I just went to the overview with the super key, also accessible via alt+f1, and typed "install." I think you should just be able to press the enter key at that point, as that should land you on the install button. Imetumwa kutoka Tanzania ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: opensuse tumbleweed screen reader install?
The hardware I was going to use to do a tumbleweed install can't be used, the distro has way too much keyboard latency for that hardware. On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 20:00:19 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: opensuse tumbleweed screen reader install? Okay thanks, but what command did you use to run the installer? On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 19:52:58 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: opensuse tumbleweed screen reader install? The last time I did anything with OpenSUSE, it had the screen reader preinstalled on the image, and I only needed to press alt+super+s to start it. Once a distribution begins shipping the Orca screen reader, it usually doesn't stop. I don't think there would be any difference using Tumbleweed as opposed to the more stable release, as Tumbleweed is just the rolling release version, which should have all the same packages. Imetumwa kutoka mtu mmoja ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: opensuse tumbleweed screen reader install?
Okay thanks, but what command did you use to run the installer? On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 19:52:58 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: opensuse tumbleweed screen reader install? The last time I did anything with OpenSUSE, it had the screen reader preinstalled on the image, and I only needed to press alt+super+s to start it. Once a distribution begins shipping the Orca screen reader, it usually doesn't stop. I don't think there would be any difference using Tumbleweed as opposed to the more stable release, as Tumbleweed is just the rolling release version, which should have all the same packages. Imetumwa kutoka mtu mmoja ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: opensuse tumbleweed screen reader install?
Where can I read about opensuse, and what is the source of the synthesized voice in tumbleweed? Kare On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: The last time I did anything with OpenSUSE, it had the screen reader preinstalled on the image, and I only needed to press alt+super+s to start it. Once a distribution begins shipping the Orca screen reader, it usually doesn't stop. I don't think there would be any difference using Tumbleweed as opposed to the more stable release, as Tumbleweed is just the rolling release version, which should have all the same packages. Imetumwa kutoka mtu mmoja ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: opensuse tumbleweed screen reader install?
The last time I did anything with OpenSUSE, it had the screen reader preinstalled on the image, and I only needed to press alt+super+s to start it. Once a distribution begins shipping the Orca screen reader, it usually doesn't stop. I don't think there would be any difference using Tumbleweed as opposed to the more stable release, as Tumbleweed is just the rolling release version, which should have all the same packages. Imetumwa kutoka mtu mmoja ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
opensuse tumbleweed screen reader install?
Is this even possible and if so what are the steps to use? -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
openSUSE-tumbleweed
Has anyone installed this with orca? I've got an x86-64 system and maybe not enough memory on this machine. alt-super-s appears not to work. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
