Re: [Bloat] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] [Starlink] On FiWi
I am old fashioned this way, also, but I think most modern users would not care, any more about this. They are used to pretty much having all their data exposed to the internet, available via cellphone, and used to having their security cameras and other personal information, gone, out there. They just want internet. I think people want privacy it's just that those in leadership roles, e.g. Eric Schmidt, rationalized their behaviors with comments like, "Privacy is over. Get used to it." At the same time, Google algorithms were advertising breast implants to women who just learned from their doctors they had breast cancer. Google gleaned this from her information search on her recently diagnosed condition. Life support use cases and privacy have to be added back in as a base feature. It's past time we as a society tolerated this behavior from billionaires who see us as nothing more than subjects to their targeted ads. Bob ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
Re: [Bloat] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] [Starlink] On FiWi
On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 12:18 PM dan via Bloat wrote: > > end users are still going to want their own router/firewall. I am old fashioned this way, also, but I think most modern users would not care, any more about this. They are used to pretty much having all their data exposed to the internet, available via cellphone, and used to having their security cameras and other personal information, gone, out there. They just want internet. > That's > my point, I don't see how you can have that on-prem firewall while > having a remote radio that's useful. > > I would adamantly oppose anyone I know passing their firewall off to > the upstream vendor. I run an MSP and I would offer a customer to > drop my services if they were to buy into something like this on the > business side. > > So I really only see this sort of concept for campus networks where > the end users are 'part' of the entity. > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 12:14 PM Robert McMahon > wrote: > > > > It's not discrete routers. It's more like a transceiver. WiFi is already > > splitting at the MAC for MLO. I perceive two choices for the split, one at > > the PHY DAC or, two, a minimalist 802.3 tunneling of 802.11 back to the > > FiWi head end. Use 802.3 to leverage merchant silicon supporting up to 200 > > or so RRHs or even move the baseband DSP there. I think a split PHY may not > > work well but a thorough eng analysis is still warranted. > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > Get BlueMail for Android > > On Mar 14, 2023, at 10:54 AM, dan wrote: > >>> > >>> You could always do it yourself. > >>> > >>> Most people need high skilled network engineers to provide them IT > >>> services. This need is only going to grow and grow. We can help by > >>> producing better and simpler offerings, be they DIY or by service > >>> providers. > >>> > >>> Steve Job's almost didn't support the iPhone development because he > >>> hated "the orifices." Probably time for many of us to revisit our belief > >>> set. Does it move the needle, even if imperfectly? > >>> > >>> FiWi blows the needle off the gauge by my judgment. Who does it is > >>> secondary. > >>> > >>> Bob > >> > >> > >> most people are unwilling to pay for those services also lol. > >> > >> I don't see the paradigm of discreet routers/nat per prem anytime > >> soon. If you subtract that piece of it then we're basically just > >> talking XGSPON or similar. > ___ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat -- Come Heckle Mar 6-9 at: https://www.understandinglatency.com/ Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
Re: [Bloat] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] [Starlink] On FiWi
The design has to be flexible so DIY w/local firewall is fine. I'll disagree though that early & late majority care about firewalls. They want high-quality access that is secure & private. Both of these require high skill network engineers on staff. DIY is hard here. Intrusion detection systems, etc. are non-trivial. The days of broadcast NFL networks are over. I disagree to with nobody wanting to pay for quality access to knowledge based networks. Not that many years ago, nobody wanted to pay to teach women to read either. Then, nobody wanted to pay for university. I grew up in the latter and figured out that I needed come up with payment somehow to develop my brain. Otherwise, I was screwed. So, if it's a chatGPT, advertising system - sure wrong market. Free shit, even provided by Google, is mostly shit. Connect to something real without the privacy invasions, no queueing, etc. I think it's worth it in spades despite the idea that we shouldn't invest so people, regardless of gender, etc. can learn to read. Bob end users are still going to want their own router/firewall. That's my point, I don't see how you can have that on-prem firewall while having a remote radio that's useful. I would adamantly oppose anyone I know passing their firewall off to the upstream vendor. I run an MSP and I would offer a customer to drop my services if they were to buy into something like this on the business side. So I really only see this sort of concept for campus networks where the end users are 'part' of the entity. On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 12:14 PM Robert McMahon wrote: It's not discrete routers. It's more like a transceiver. WiFi is already splitting at the MAC for MLO. I perceive two choices for the split, one at the PHY DAC or, two, a minimalist 802.3 tunneling of 802.11 back to the FiWi head end. Use 802.3 to leverage merchant silicon supporting up to 200 or so RRHs or even move the baseband DSP there. I think a split PHY may not work well but a thorough eng analysis is still warranted. Bob Get BlueMail for Android On Mar 14, 2023, at 10:54 AM, dan wrote: You could always do it yourself. Most people need high skilled network engineers to provide them IT services. This need is only going to grow and grow. We can help by producing better and simpler offerings, be they DIY or by service providers. Steve Job's almost didn't support the iPhone development because he hated "the orifices." Probably time for many of us to revisit our belief set. Does it move the needle, even if imperfectly? FiWi blows the needle off the gauge by my judgment. Who does it is secondary. Bob most people are unwilling to pay for those services also lol. I don't see the paradigm of discreet routers/nat per prem anytime soon. If you subtract that piece of it then we're basically just talking XGSPON or similar. ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
Re: [Bloat] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] [Starlink] On FiWi
end users are still going to want their own router/firewall. That's my point, I don't see how you can have that on-prem firewall while having a remote radio that's useful. I would adamantly oppose anyone I know passing their firewall off to the upstream vendor. I run an MSP and I would offer a customer to drop my services if they were to buy into something like this on the business side. So I really only see this sort of concept for campus networks where the end users are 'part' of the entity. On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 12:14 PM Robert McMahon wrote: > > It's not discrete routers. It's more like a transceiver. WiFi is already > splitting at the MAC for MLO. I perceive two choices for the split, one at > the PHY DAC or, two, a minimalist 802.3 tunneling of 802.11 back to the FiWi > head end. Use 802.3 to leverage merchant silicon supporting up to 200 or so > RRHs or even move the baseband DSP there. I think a split PHY may not work > well but a thorough eng analysis is still warranted. > > Bob > > > > Get BlueMail for Android > On Mar 14, 2023, at 10:54 AM, dan wrote: >>> >>> You could always do it yourself. >>> >>> Most people need high skilled network engineers to provide them IT >>> services. This need is only going to grow and grow. We can help by >>> producing better and simpler offerings, be they DIY or by service providers. >>> >>> Steve Job's almost didn't support the iPhone development because he hated >>> "the orifices." Probably time for many of us to revisit our belief set. >>> Does it move the needle, even if imperfectly? >>> >>> FiWi blows the needle off the gauge by my judgment. Who does it is >>> secondary. >>> >>> Bob >> >> >> most people are unwilling to pay for those services also lol. >> >> I don't see the paradigm of discreet routers/nat per prem anytime >> soon. If you subtract that piece of it then we're basically just >> talking XGSPON or similar. ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
Re: [Bloat] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] [Starlink] On FiWi
It's not discrete routers. It's more like a transceiver. WiFi is already splitting at the MAC for MLO. I perceive two choices for the split, one at the PHY DAC or, two, a minimalist 802.3 tunneling of 802.11 back to the FiWi head end. Use 802.3 to leverage merchant silicon supporting up to 200 or so RRHs or even move the baseband DSP there. I think a split PHY may not work well but a thorough eng analysis is still warranted. Bob Get BlueMail for Android On Mar 14, 2023, 10:54 AM, at 10:54 AM, dan wrote: >> You could always do it yourself. >> >> Most people need high skilled network engineers to provide them IT >services. This need is only going to grow and grow. We can help by >producing better and simpler offerings, be they DIY or by service >providers. >> >> Steve Job's almost didn't support the iPhone development because he >hated "the orifices." Probably time for many of us to revisit our >belief set. Does it move the needle, even if imperfectly? >> >> FiWi blows the needle off the gauge by my judgment. Who does it is >secondary. >> >> Bob > >most people are unwilling to pay for those services also lol. > >I don't see the paradigm of discreet routers/nat per prem anytime >soon. If you subtract that piece of it then we're basically just >talking XGSPON or similar. ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
Re: [Bloat] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] [Starlink] On FiWi
> You could always do it yourself. > > Most people need high skilled network engineers to provide them IT services. > This need is only going to grow and grow. We can help by producing better and > simpler offerings, be they DIY or by service providers. > > Steve Job's almost didn't support the iPhone development because he hated > "the orifices." Probably time for many of us to revisit our belief set. Does > it move the needle, even if imperfectly? > > FiWi blows the needle off the gauge by my judgment. Who does it is secondary. > > Bob most people are unwilling to pay for those services also lol. I don't see the paradigm of discreet routers/nat per prem anytime soon. If you subtract that piece of it then we're basically just talking XGSPON or similar. ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
