Re: RE : Re: [steering-discuss] Approval of our Trademark Policy

[Christoph Noack]

Hi Charles,

argh, sorry ... of course you said that you won't be fully available
during the end of the week.

Cheers,
Christoph

Am Freitag, den 04.03.2011, 06:53 +0100 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
> Christoph,
> 
> Darn, i only have my phone with me today and this weekend, Florian and/or
> the admin team can help you out...
> 
> Sorry,
> Charles.
> 
> Le 4 mars 2011, 12:13 AM, "Christoph Noack"  a
> écrit :
> 
> Hi Charles, hi all!
> 
> Am Donnerstag, den 03.03.2011, 16:42 +0100 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
> 
> > - changes requested by Christoph: I added one sentence about the > english
> version being the off...
> Okay, I had a look (or two) on the pages ...
> 
> TRADEMARK POLICY
> 
> Fortunately, there seems to be sufficient protection, since I was unable
> to edit the Trademark Policy wiki page. Thus, I've edited the content on
> my user page that should be (if the changes are perceived as
> improvements) copied to the real page. Charles, could you take care of
> that, please?
> 
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:ChristophNoack/Temporary_Work_Space#The_Document_Foundation_Trademark_Policy
> 
> Changes:
>  * Overall: Added some headings to improve the structure of the
>text and to ensure proper TOC creation by the wiki (although
>some changes might appear awkward)
>  * Section "Related Information": Added this section (referring to
>Logo Policy, Branding Guidelines) and linked from within the
>text to this section.
>  * Section "The Trademarks": Added list of the trademarks to ease
>the understandability --> By the way, the information is
>duplicated in "Purpose"; is that helpful?
>  * Overall: Converted the text-only mail address into a "clickable"
>mail address
>  * Overall: Changed "hard" formatting to a style that better fits
>to the wiki
> 
> 
> LOGO POLICY
> 
> I've overhauled the logo policy, although the naming of some items seems
> still to be strange (I'd like to have some shorter names like: TDF Logo,
> Community Logo - or something like that).
> 
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Logo_Policy
> Major Changes:
>  * Moved the content to a table
>  * Changed the point-of-view from "we" to "TDF", and
>"they/external" to "other" --> Rationale: Most of the people
>will be part of the community, so it would be strange to tell
>them being "external". The "we" for TDF seemed a bit too
>self-centered ... although it is correct from our
>point-of-view :-)
>  * Added "Usage Examples" --> Are these descriptions okay, are more
>important ones missing? I think these examples have great value
>in describing when to use, when to avoid the TDF subline logo.
>  * Overall: Improved description of legal mailing list (now:
>"non-public")
>  * Overall: Changed "hard" formatting to a style that better fits
>to the wiki
> 
> Since there have been major changes, could you please thoroughly check
> whether the text still fits to your thoughts and our goals?
> 
> 
> Thanks a lot!
> 
> Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to
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RE : Re: [steering-discuss] Approval of our Trademark Policy

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Drew,

Basically one is the general rule, the tm policy. The other one is the
guideline for the logo. However if you point to a case where there might be
conflict, We'd be happy to review them and fix them.

Best,

Charles.

Le 4 mars 2011, 1:00 AM, "drew"  a écrit :

On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 00:12 +0100, Christoph Noack wrote:
> Hi Charles, hi all!

> > > LOGO POLICY > > I've overhauled the logo policy, although the naming
of some items seems >...
Hi,

Well which is it - is the community logo w/registered trademark, mark or
not? - it is both ways on the wiki page above - PNG w/out any mark, SVG
with 'registered trademark", while on the trademark policy page it seems
that maybe it is just a "tm" that is appropriate at this time.

Thanks so much, in advance

Drew Jensen

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RE : Re: [steering-discuss] Approval of our Trademark Policy

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Christoph,

Darn, i only have my phone with me today and this weekend, Florian and/or
the admin team can help you out...

Sorry,
Charles.

Le 4 mars 2011, 12:13 AM, "Christoph Noack"  a
écrit :

Hi Charles, hi all!

Am Donnerstag, den 03.03.2011, 16:42 +0100 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:

> - changes requested by Christoph: I added one sentence about the > english
version being the off...
Okay, I had a look (or two) on the pages ...

TRADEMARK POLICY

Fortunately, there seems to be sufficient protection, since I was unable
to edit the Trademark Policy wiki page. Thus, I've edited the content on
my user page that should be (if the changes are perceived as
improvements) copied to the real page. Charles, could you take care of
that, please?

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:ChristophNoack/Temporary_Work_Space#The_Document_Foundation_Trademark_Policy

Changes:
 * Overall: Added some headings to improve the structure of the
   text and to ensure proper TOC creation by the wiki (although
   some changes might appear awkward)
 * Section "Related Information": Added this section (referring to
   Logo Policy, Branding Guidelines) and linked from within the
   text to this section.
 * Section "The Trademarks": Added list of the trademarks to ease
   the understandability --> By the way, the information is
   duplicated in "Purpose"; is that helpful?
 * Overall: Converted the text-only mail address into a "clickable"
   mail address
 * Overall: Changed "hard" formatting to a style that better fits
   to the wiki


LOGO POLICY

I've overhauled the logo policy, although the naming of some items seems
still to be strange (I'd like to have some shorter names like: TDF Logo,
Community Logo - or something like that).

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Logo_Policy
Major Changes:
 * Moved the content to a table
 * Changed the point-of-view from "we" to "TDF", and
   "they/external" to "other" --> Rationale: Most of the people
   will be part of the community, so it would be strange to tell
   them being "external". The "we" for TDF seemed a bit too
   self-centered ... although it is correct from our
   point-of-view :-)
 * Added "Usage Examples" --> Are these descriptions okay, are more
   important ones missing? I think these examples have great value
   in describing when to use, when to avoid the TDF subline logo.
 * Overall: Improved description of legal mailing list (now:
   "non-public")
 * Overall: Changed "hard" formatting to a style that better fits
   to the wiki

Since there have been major changes, could you please thoroughly check
whether the text still fits to your thoughts and our goals?


Thanks a lot!

Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to
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Re: [steering-discuss] Trademark Policy - Final?

[sophie]

Hi Drew,
On 04/03/2011 01:52, drew wrote:

On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 22:49 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:

er... almost. We're voting/fixing the latest bugs.

Hello Charles,

Well I'll just have to be patient then...*smile*..I must admit there was
one interesting, to me anyway, late edit, which I didn't expect.

It would be great if you could give a high sign when the actual vote is
finished.
The vote and discussion are happening here on a thread open the 1st of 
March, see:



Kind regards
Sophie


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Re: [steering-discuss] Approval of our Trademark Policy

[drew]

On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 00:12 +0100, Christoph Noack wrote:
> Hi Charles, hi all!
> 

> 
> LOGO POLICY
> 
> I've overhauled the logo policy, although the naming of some items seems
> still to be strange (I'd like to have some shorter names like: TDF Logo,
> Community Logo - or something like that).
> 
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Logo_Policy

Hi,

Well which is it - is the community logo w/registered trademark, mark or
not? - it is both ways on the wiki page above - PNG w/out any mark, SVG
with 'registered trademark", while on the trademark policy page it seems
that maybe it is just a "tm" that is appropriate at this time.

Thanks so much, in advance

Drew Jensen






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Re: [steering-discuss] Approval of our Trademark Policy

[Christoph Noack]

Hi Charles, hi all!

Am Donnerstag, den 03.03.2011, 16:42 +0100 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
> - changes requested by Christoph: I added one sentence about the
>   english version being the official one. As for usability, please go
>   ahead :-) make sure people understand there's one page dedicated to
>   the logos though. 

Okay, I had a look (or two) on the pages ...

TRADEMARK POLICY

Fortunately, there seems to be sufficient protection, since I was unable
to edit the Trademark Policy wiki page. Thus, I've edited the content on
my user page that should be (if the changes are perceived as
improvements) copied to the real page. Charles, could you take care of
that, please?

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:ChristophNoack/Temporary_Work_Space#The_Document_Foundation_Trademark_Policy

Changes:
  * Overall: Added some headings to improve the structure of the
text and to ensure proper TOC creation by the wiki (although
some changes might appear awkward)
  * Section "Related Information": Added this section (referring to
Logo Policy, Branding Guidelines) and linked from within the
text to this section.
  * Section "The Trademarks": Added list of the trademarks to ease
the understandability --> By the way, the information is
duplicated in "Purpose"; is that helpful?
  * Overall: Converted the text-only mail address into a "clickable"
mail address
  * Overall: Changed "hard" formatting to a style that better fits
to the wiki


LOGO POLICY

I've overhauled the logo policy, although the naming of some items seems
still to be strange (I'd like to have some shorter names like: TDF Logo,
Community Logo - or something like that).

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Logo_Policy

Major Changes:
  * Moved the content to a table
  * Changed the point-of-view from "we" to "TDF", and
"they/external" to "other" --> Rationale: Most of the people
will be part of the community, so it would be strange to tell
them being "external". The "we" for TDF seemed a bit too
self-centered ... although it is correct from our
point-of-view :-)
  * Added "Usage Examples" --> Are these descriptions okay, are more
important ones missing? I think these examples have great value
in describing when to use, when to avoid the TDF subline logo.
  * Overall: Improved description of legal mailing list (now:
"non-public")
  * Overall: Changed "hard" formatting to a style that better fits
to the wiki

Since there have been major changes, could you please thoroughly check
whether the text still fits to your thoughts and our goals?


Thanks a lot!

Cheers,
Christoph


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Re: [steering-discuss] Trademark Policy - Final?

[drew]

On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 22:49 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> er... almost. We're voting/fixing the latest bugs.

Hello Charles,

Well I'll just have to be patient then...*smile*..I must admit there was
one interesting, to me anyway, late edit, which I didn't expect.

It would be great if you could give a high sign when the actual vote is
finished.

Thanks very much,

Drew Jensen


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Re: [steering-discuss] Trademark Policy - Final?

[Charles-H. Schulz]

er... almost. We're voting/fixing the latest bugs.

Best,
Charles.

2011/3/3 drew 

> Hi,
>
> Listened to the Feb 28th SC meeting recording - so the question - Is the
> trademark policy as stated on the wiki page now official?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Drew Jensen
>
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[steering-discuss] Trademark Policy - Final?

[drew]

Hi,

Listened to the Feb 28th SC meeting recording - so the question - Is the
trademark policy as stated on the wiki page now official?

Sincerely,

Drew Jensen


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Re: [steering-discuss] Approval of our Trademark Policy

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Hello,

I'll answer everyone in one mail. Please bear on with me:
- changes Italo requested: done.

- changes Michael requested: I tried to clarify and add space in the
  Permitted use section, fixed the missing link, fixed the line break
  and other obvious things. As for the general contradiction between
  the Logo guidelines and the Trademark Policy itself, I inserted
  inside the Logo policy page the notion of "substantially unmodified
  version of LibreOffice" that already exists in the Trademark Policy.
  It fixes the inconsistency or even the contradiction between the two.
  You may object of course we might just merge the two pages, but
  that's where I disagree: Legally speaking, trademarks, logos, image
  marks, wordmarks are different notions and have different values. Of
  course the right and broad way to discuss them is by using and
  clarifying the notion of trademarks, but the trademark is not a logo
  only (and vice-versa). So I still think it's good to somewhat
  separate them.

- changes requested by Christoph: I added one sentence about the
  english version being the official one. As for usability, please go
  ahead :-) make sure people understand there's one page dedicated to
  the logos though.

Thank you everyone... I guess the vote is being reconducted for one
more period of 24 hours now.

Best,
Charles. 


Le Thu, 03 Mar 2011 07:47:31 +0100,
Christoph Noack  a écrit :

> Hi Charles (again),
> 
> one thing I've noticed after having some hours sleep ... its is rather
> about handling than touching the content of the Trademark Policy.
> 
> Since the Trademark Policy is something "official" and it might (or: I
> hope ...) get translated into various languages and there might be
> variances in its meaning, is there any need to highlight that the
> English version is the "binding" one?
> 
> At least for other topics like the Bylaws, or the Branding Guidelines
> this may be assumed - but do we require a more explicit statement
> here?
> 
> Cheers,
> Christoph
> 
> Am Donnerstag, den 03.03.2011, 00:02 +0100 schrieb Christoph Noack:
> > Hi Charles,
> > 
> > thanks for the effort - besides the stuff already mentioned ... some
> > less "legal", but rather "understandability" related comments:
> > 
> >   * Understandability: Most of the tdf mail addresses refer to
> > mailing lists, but "le...@documentfoundation.org" is "just"
> > a normal mail address. This difference might be important for some
> > people - would it be helpful to say "... send an email to
> > the non-public address le...@documentfoundation.org"?
> >   * Usability: Most of the text doesn't use wiki capabilities
> > like headings or second outline level enumeration (e.g. no TOC is
> > added by the wiki that might make finding the desired
> > information more quickly).
> >   * Usability: Once the text is finalized, we may ask to add the
> > logo examples - the logo graphics are already in the wiki,
> > so why not use them?
> > 
> > Concerning the usability items; I can work on this once the text is
> > approved ... or (just ping me), I can try to improve things tomorrow
> > evening - if it is needed before any final approval.
> > 
> > Am Dienstag, den 01.03.2011, 18:19 +0100 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
> > > *** SC Members and their deputies***
> > > 
> > > Please vote +1 or -1 in order to approve the trademark policy
> > > (text is here:
> > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TradeMark_Policy)
> > 
> > +1 (having in mind the comments above and below, and by the others)
> > 
> > > Please also make sure you have read the additional material here:
> > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Logo_Policy and there:
> > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Resources_for_external_use
> > 
> > Another small comment - I've asked on the design list whether
> > "external use" is a proper name for that. There is an ongoing
> > discussion how to name that, and whether to separate the different
> > logos for TDF / community use. So please be aware that we might
> > (ask to) change this naming in the near future ...
> > 
> > Charles, thanks for your work!
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Christoph
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 



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