Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Friday, August 14th at 1300 Berlin time (UTC+2)
Hi Lothar, Genossenschaft is the German term, yes. I can participate on the call but I would have to leave at 13:30 Berlin time for another appointment. If the control of the entity is to remain under the TDF, it may not be applicable. A Genossenschaft is structured to be controlled by it's members. Typically the structure involves one member, one vote, however in multi-stakeholder co-operatives that voting structure can be weighted so that certain classes of voters have more vote weight than others. The TDF could engage into a legal arrangement with the co-operative that implies control of actions based on a contractual service arrangement.. but theoretically the board of the co-op would be run independently. If it's the case that the TDF must control the entity then forming a co-op may be an overly complicated matter. I'll attend the conference at 13:00 Berlin time tomorrow and if there is time for me to speak on it before 13:30 I will. Cheers, Kevin > On 13/08/2020 11:42 Lothar K. Becker > wrote: > > > Hi Kevin, > > thanks for sharing your idea, sounds interesting, if I understood it > right it is the "Genossenschaft" you are mentioning? > > It is worth to think about and value it if such an organisation could > help to full fill the solution for handling app store activities and get more > code contributions financed, under control of TDF. > > What about discussing the idea in the public part of the meeting > tomorrow, are you available there? I would love to have your full name then > to ask you in the meeting to say a few sentence about the idea. > > Thanks again, hopefully speaking tomorrow a bit about the idea, all the > best > Lothar Becker > > Am 13.08.2020 um 16:19 schrieb Kev M: > > > > I'm guessing based on the information provided in the > titles that the TDF is looking to set up a The Document > "Co-operative/Corporation". > > > > If it is the case you're setting up a business entity, may I > > strongly plead towards setting up a multi-stakeholder platform co-operative > > instead of a corporation? > > > > 1) CIB, Collabora, etc. would have equal voting rights as > > organization members > > 2) Donor/subscribers would have voting rights as personal members. > > 3) TDF/TDC staff would have voting rights as worker members. > > > > The weighting of votes could be determined by contributions, so > > maybe (60% org weight, 30% member weight, 10% worker weight). > > > > Trebor Scholz, a german professor at The New School in NYC is a > > proponent of platform co-ops and would likely be quite interested in > > helping out. > > > > There are a lot of other platform co-op enthusiasts that would > > likely help with this work as well, it would help with task 3113 (though I > > don't know why Heiko is so resistant against creating an online forum like > > Discourse considering the community is clamouring for it.) > > > > There are also lots of resources online with templates, etc. to set > > up a co-operative organization; in Europe the ICA (Belgium), CICOPA > > (Italy), etc. would be excited to help I would imagine. > > > > This also would be a potential revenue stream as voting membership > > could be set as an annual requirement to maintain good standing. Consider > > that Taz.de - a media co-op in Berlin, is purely funded by it's members, > > despite the availability of free news around the world and states. > > > > If you'd be interested in going in this direction I'd be happy to > > provide some volunteer time to assist in creation/governance. > > > > Cheers, > > Kevin > > > > > > -- > Lothar K. Becker, Member of the Board of Directors > The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE > Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts > Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint > > mail: lot...@documentfoundation.org mailto:lot...@documentfoundation.org > phone: +49 7202 9499 001 (c/o .riess applications gmbh) >
Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Friday, August 14th at 1300 Berlin time (UTC+2)
Hi Kevin, thanks for sharing your idea, sounds interesting, if I understood it right it is the "Genossenschaft" you are mentioning? It is worth to think about and value it if such an organisation could help to full fill the solution for handling app store activities and get more code contributions financed, under control of TDF. What about discussing the idea in the public part of the meeting tomorrow, are you available there? I would love to have your full name then to ask you in the meeting to say a few sentence about the idea. Thanks again, hopefully speaking tomorrow a bit about the idea, all the best Lothar Becker Am 13.08.2020 um 16:19 schrieb Kev M: I'm guessing based on the information provided in the titles that the TDF is looking to set up a The Document "Co-operative/Corporation". If it is the case you're setting up a business entity, may I strongly plead towards setting up a multi-stakeholder platform co-operative instead of a corporation? 1) CIB, Collabora, etc. would have equal voting rights as organization members 2) Donor/subscribers would have voting rights as personal members. 3) TDF/TDC staff would have voting rights as worker members. The weighting of votes could be determined by contributions, so maybe (60% org weight, 30% member weight, 10% worker weight). Trebor Scholz, a german professor at The New School in NYC is a proponent of platform co-ops and would likely be quite interested in helping out. There are a lot of other platform co-op enthusiasts that would likely help with this work as well, it would help with task 3113 (though I don't know why Heiko is so resistant against creating an online forum like Discourse considering the community is clamouring for it.) There are also lots of resources online with templates, etc. to set up a co-operative organization; in Europe the ICA (Belgium), CICOPA (Italy), etc. would be excited to help I would imagine. This also would be a potential revenue stream as voting membership could be set as an annual requirement to maintain good standing. Consider that Taz.de - a media co-op in Berlin, is purely funded by it's members, despite the availability of free news around the world and states. If you'd be interested in going in this direction I'd be happy to provide some volunteer time to assist in creation/governance. Cheers, Kevin -- Lothar K. Becker, Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint mail: lot...@documentfoundation.org phone: +49 7202 9499 001 (c/o .riess applications gmbh) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Friday, August 14th at 1300 Berlin time (UTC+2)
I'm guessing based on the information provided in the titles that the TDF is looking to set up a The Document "Co-operative/Corporation". If it is the case you're setting up a business entity, may I strongly plead towards setting up a multi-stakeholder platform co-operative instead of a corporation? 1) CIB, Collabora, etc. would have equal voting rights as organization members 2) Donor/subscribers would have voting rights as personal members. 3) TDF/TDC staff would have voting rights as worker members. The weighting of votes could be determined by contributions, so maybe (60% org weight, 30% member weight, 10% worker weight). Trebor Scholz, a german professor at The New School in NYC is a proponent of platform co-ops and would likely be quite interested in helping out. There are a lot of other platform co-op enthusiasts that would likely help with this work as well, it would help with task 3113 (though I don't know why Heiko is so resistant against creating an online forum like Discourse considering the community is clamouring for it.) There are also lots of resources online with templates, etc. to set up a co-operative organization; in Europe the ICA (Belgium), CICOPA (Italy), etc. would be excited to help I would imagine. This also would be a potential revenue stream as voting membership could be set as an annual requirement to maintain good standing. Consider that Taz.de - a media co-op in Berlin, is purely funded by it's members, despite the availability of free news around the world and states. If you'd be interested in going in this direction I'd be happy to provide some volunteer time to assist in creation/governance. Cheers, Kevin
