Re: [Boston.pm] Padre, Scribes
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 9:31 AM, rob levy wrote: > Python still seems like a less powerful Perl pretending to be a more > advanced and "cleaned up" Perl. well it's in a sense both, but most people never see what it's missing. The full power of pure closures is most useful to framework and metatool designers, and rarely understood by others. There's a reason most non-academic languages don't bother. But without closures we never would have kept Damian. TIMTOWDI is a virtue to Larry and to Perl community. It's the original sin to Guido. The redundancy of keywords and braces lets perl give us useful syntax errors, Python relies on their equivalent of perltidy to find out if they mashed something; having used a structured Fortran that almost worked that way, I can see the appeal, but it's not what i am used to. With compromised wrists, I can see the attraction of a language with more letters less punctuation. The Gnu/Linux distros converging on Python as replacement for cfg, *sh, perl, VB have desire for one solution that covers a span from simplest configs to fairly complex coding, one that won't scare someone advised to tweak a constant. They aren't required to support Damian / PurpleWizard grade magic. Having an enforced One True Way style is in their world a feature. > I definitely prefer Python over PHP though, > which is just a ***d cousin of Perl. modulo the unPC adjective, exactly its history, the author built his own web server in Perl and then to get Mod_perl / fast_cgi speed reimplemented only those things he'd used in C. > But Perl is much more expressive > and powerful being designed by a linguist has its definite benefits. For those of us who see expressiveness in all its meanings as good in coding. Of course it's that very expressiveness that lends it to JAPH and Golf and dueling style wars. -- Bill n1...@arrl.net bill.n1...@gmail.com ___ Boston-pm mailing list Boston-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-pm
Re: [Boston.pm] Perl Editor/IDE links (June Tech Meeting follow up)
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Richard J. Barbalace wrote: > Since I use Eclipse for Java development already, I am considering trying > [Epic] That is it's sweet spot. Eclipse is a heavy install for an all perl all the time use. -- Bill n1...@arrl.net bill.n1...@gmail.com ___ Boston-pm mailing list Boston-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-pm
Re: [Boston.pm] Perl Editor/IDE links (June Tech Meeting follow up)
MyEclipse (http://www.myeclipseide.com/) was mentioned (during Steve's demonstration of EPIC ECPIPSE) as being a good way to "catch-up" with many tools associated with Eclipse. You buy a yearly subscription ($31.75, $63.55, or $158.95, depending on what tools are bundled in the environment). I may purchase the middle-level with incudes support for maven, etc. I just wanted to mention this (see URL at the beginning of this paragraph). -- Bob Clancy 9 Lives Software Engineering Website: http://agiletester.net Blog: http://AgileTesterDotNet.wordpress.com ___ Boston-pm mailing list Boston-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-pm
Re: [Boston.pm] Perl Editor/IDE links (June Tech Meeting follow up)
On Jun 10, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Richard J. Barbalace wrote:
Quoting Bill Ricker :
EPIC ECPIPSE
http://www.epic-ide.org/
Since I use Eclipse for Java development already, I am considering
trying this
out. But before I do, is anyone here currently using Epic? Are
there are
complications with installing it for a workspace that consists
largely of Java
projects? Has anyone had any problems I should watch out for?
I use it every day. It has no impact on Java projects, and it co-
exists nicely. The only issue I have seen is that if you use the
stable release, you have to manually add what directories to include
for the perl path. Supposed 0.6 doesn't have this issue.
For instance, if you have a standard CPAN module FooBar with a lib and
t directory, you will need to create the project, then open the
properties for the project. You'll see "Perl Include Path". You can
add multiple directories here. If you named you FooBar module
"FooBar" for the project name, you need to add:
${resource_loc:/FooBar/lib}
This will then make the contents of FooBar/lib accessible from
PERL5LIB for any code you view, including your unit tests in the t
directory.
You can also setup multiple modules to include on another in this
way. If you have FooBar2 and FooBar3, you can add:
${resource_loc:/FooBar2/lib}
${resource_loc:/FooBar3/lib}
If you are using locallib for additional modules, you can add that
with either a physical, exact path, or something like:
${env_var:HOME}/src/my_perllib/perl5
Feel free to shoot me an email if you have any other questions--I
spend quite a bit of my day in EPIC ;-)
Matt
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Re: [Boston.pm] Perl Editor/IDE links (June Tech Meeting follow up)
Quoting Bill Ricker : EPIC ECPIPSE http://www.epic-ide.org/ Since I use Eclipse for Java development already, I am considering trying this out. But before I do, is anyone here currently using Epic? Are there are complications with installing it for a workspace that consists largely of Java projects? Has anyone had any problems I should watch out for? Thanks. + Richard ___ Boston-pm mailing list Boston-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-pm
Re: [Boston.pm] Padre, Scribes
Python still seems like a less powerful Perl pretending to be a more advanced and "cleaned up" Perl. I definitely prefer Python over PHP though, which is just a retarded cousin of Perl. But Perl is much more expressive and powerful (and faster, maybe with the exception of OO stuff) than Python, Ruby etc. For GUI apps, I much prefer Clojure. It has all of the GUI capabilities from Java, but instead of writing in Java you get to write in a (fast) dynamic language. Rob On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Tom Metro wrote: > Steve Scaffidi wrote: > >> I just used cpan to install Padre...I made sure to install the >> libwx-perl package... >> > > So Padre is written in Perl? > > I recently ran across Scribes[1], an editor written in Python. > > I see Python being used more and more for GUI apps., and am envious. The > necessary glue and GUI libraries never really attained production quality > for Perl. Python seems to be becoming a modern day Visual Basic. :-) (While > VB the language deserves the criticism it gets, the concept of a rapid GUI > development tool is a useful one.) > > 1. http://scribes.sourceforge.net/ > > -Tom > > -- > Tom Metro > Venture Logic, Newton, MA, USA > "Enterprise solutions through open source." > Professional Profile: http://tmetro.venturelogic.com/ > > ___ > Boston-pm mailing list > Boston-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-pm > ___ Boston-pm mailing list Boston-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-pm
Re: [Boston.pm] Enlightened Perl
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Tom Metro wrote: > > > -> Ironman Perl blogging > > http://www.enlightenedperl.org/ironman.html > > This seems tangential to the meeting topic (I wasn't there). Just an > unrelated item of interest? Mostly but a source for information on what others are doing on topic as well as off. -- Bill n1...@arrl.net bill.n1...@gmail.com ___ Boston-pm mailing list Boston-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-pm
Re: [Boston.pm] Perl Editor/IDE links (June Tech Meeting follow up)
On Wednesday 10 June 2009 03:59:38 Federico Lucifredi wrote: > Textmate now available for Windows: http://www.e-texteditor.com/ > > Best -F > And for Linux as a mostly-open-source licence: * http://e-texteditor.com/blog/2009/releasing-the-source * http://community.livejournal.com/shlomif_tech/26837.html Regards, Shlomi Fish > Bill Ricker wrote: > > Padre > > http://padre.perlide.org/ > > Planning an SQL or DBI plugin for Padre > > http://szabgab.com/blog/2009/05/1243802159.html > > > > EPIC ECPIPSE > > http://www.epic-ide.org/ > > > > Emacs > > http://www.obsidianrook.com/perlnow/ > > > > Attention all Vim-using Perl programmers > > http://perlbuzz.com/2009/06/attention-all-vim-using-perl-programmers.html > > http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=556 > > > > KDE IDE tool "Kate" > > http://perlisalive.com/users/ajt/weblog/6 > > > > Perl Tk Db - a fairly complete Tk graphical front end to perl -d > > http://ptkdb.sourceforge.net/ > > > > on Windows > > Notepad++ Editor > > UltraEdit32 $ Editor > > Komodo $$ ActiveState IDE > > > > on Mac OS > > textmate ? > > http://marcus.nordaaker.com/2009/06/quick-textmate-tip-for-perlers/ > > BBEdit $$ > > Affrus ? > > > > -> Ironman Perl blogging > > http://www.enlightenedperl.org/ironman.html > > > > if anyone has other links, share > > > > > > -- > > Bill > > n1...@arrl.net bill.n1...@gmail.com -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ "Humanity" - Parody of Modern Life - http://xrl.us/bkeut God gave us two eyes and ten fingers so we will type five times as much as we read. ___ Boston-pm mailing list Boston-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-pm
