Re: What America Does with its Hegemony

2004-05-09 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan wrote:

But, if one supports Andrew's statement as it stands, it would be 
worthwhile to see how they consider the most obvious counter-examples.
I don't agree with Andrew completely.  For instance the pre-emptive strike 
by Israel in the Seven Day War was justified.

It becomes more obvious every day however, that the invasion of Iraq was 
unjustified, ill advised and poorly executed (not withstanding the 
effectiveness of the military whose initial performance was exemplary.)

--
Doug
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Sah'ot invents a new form of poetry.

2004-05-09 Thread Medievalbk
Sah'ot's Poetic Form

OK, I'm having fun trying to plot out a novel where there's going to be an 
Uplift Ceremony on Hurmuphta, and our good Dr. Brin says he's already got it all 
set out so that Tom and Gillian will be meeting elsewhere.

So he says, "How about Sah'ot?"

The civilian poet anthropologist. The dolphin civilian poet anthropologist.

There's no way I can write about how the Skiff's occupants went their 
seperate ways. (I figure that revelation is at least six years away.) But I do need a 
back story as to how Sah'ot can earn a living for a year or two without 
revealing the fact that he is a dolphin.

(Oh...he's hitching a ride with a whale sized alien with a pelican-like mouth 
pouch.)

He can't write dolphin poetry--that'd be too revealing.

So he has to invent a new form of poetry.

Has Holopoetry been used much --or at all, in Science Fiction?

As a Google search, I found out that there already is at least one holo-poet.

Holopoetry and fractal holopoetry: Digital holography as an art medium 

To quote the opening:

A holographic poem, or holopoem, is a poem conceived, made and displayed 
holographically. This means, first of all, that such a poem 
is organized non-linearly in an immaterial three-dimensional space 
and that even as the reader or viewer observes it, it changes and 
gives rise to new meanings. Thus as the viewer reads the poem in 
space â that is, moves around the hologramâhe or she constantly 
modifies the structure of the text. 

---I beg to differ, just a bit. Why not have it stay lineal.

Sah'ot invents a new kind of poetry. Holo-cubism.

The idea borrowed just a bit from the movie Contact, and inserted into the 
bit where Mudfoot runs through the floating letters.

Dr. Brin had floating holo words being used as a tool of the author. Why not 
make it the art form used by the poet.

Thus the invention of Holo Cube Poetry.

If you place yourself inside of the holocube, you can read six 
poems on the cubes six faces. Say six haiku of 5,7,5 syllables.

If the observer spacially stays still and the cube rotates, the lines change 
and you get six new poems. But not using any new text!

Maybe a word from the third line now appears on the first line. Maybe a world 
flips upon the face of the cube and "saw" becomes "was."

Four poems per face.

So the six poems now become twenty-four poems.

Now step outside of the cube and look through two faces at the same time. The 
words on both the close and far face flip so that they can be read You're 
looking directly through the near and far face to read a single _double_ haiku of 
10, 14, and 10 syllables.

That's four more poems per face.

You now have forty-eight poems to read.

And if you stand the cube on an edge, you have four faces to look at. You 
actually wind up reading a single poem of six lines of 10, 14, 10. 10, 14, and 10 
syllables.

Four edges per face

That's seventy-two poems in all.

All from six haiku... 

Anglic might be a challenge. Gal One is all dots and dashes may be too 
boring.Is it Gal 2 that's mostly dots and dashes? Maybe Gal Three as dolphins are 
dood at it. And it'd be fitting to take all that money from the unsuspecting 
Gubru.

So, ya think this might be original enuff that it aint already in the 
Library?

William Taylor
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And I'm NOT going to even try
to do this. I think you'd need a
large computer




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Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out

2004-05-09 Thread Gary Denton
Old fashioned traditional marriage

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/opinion/tolestom/?name=Toles&date=20040331

gary
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Re: Hi! :-)

2004-05-09 Thread The Fool
--
From: Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


- Original Message - 
From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Virus wrote:
> >
> > Looking forward for a response  :P
> >
> > pass:  80513
>
> OK, I think someone who has been subbed at some point (may even
still be
> subbed) has a virus.
>
> This is *so* un-Kneem like.
>
> Could folks please do virus scans and take steps to clean up their
> systems?
>
> Especially those who live near Lawrence, KS?  That's where this one
may
> have originated.
>

That is Kneem's part of the world. It might be that he has gotten a
new cable connection. That's who the provider is in any case.

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Re: What America Does with its Hegemony

2004-05-09 Thread Dan Minette

- Original Message - 
From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: What America Does with its Hegemony

>   If I usually argue that certain
> reports on the list that things are disastrous are not
> true, that's because almost everyone else on the list
> is in the opposite direction and I _loathe_
> groupthink.

One of the things that I noticed is that discussion on the finer points of
the question involved usually trails off into nothing.

For example, yesterday Andrew Paul stated that starting a war is always
wrong because it always turns out for the worst. Gautam and I question the
word "always" and gave some potential counter examples.  Nothing came in
response.

It seems that this is fertile ground for debate.  My guess for a generality
is that the right answer is that starting a war is usually wrong but
sometimes necessary.  The real question is what are the factors.  Gautam
came up with what sounded like a reasonable set of criteria back before the
war started.

We could debate those criteria if we disagree with them; we could debate
the present circumstance against those criteria if we agree with them. All
that would generate more light than heat.

IMHO, a good start would either be a defense of Andrew's statement or
statements that this is an overgeneralization, but that a better statement
would be Xby those who think the Iraq war was a bad idea.  Obviously
I'm biased here, because I see a very complex question...and naturally see
my own position as most reasonable.  But, if one supports Andrew's
statement as it stands, it would be worthwhile to see how they consider the
most obvious counter-examples.

Dan M.


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Re: Hi! :-)

2004-05-09 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert Seeberger wrote:
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 11:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Hi! :-)
> 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > Looking forward for a response  :P
> > >
> > > pass:  80513
> >
> > OK, I think someone who has been subbed at some point (may even
> still be
> > subbed) has a virus.
> >
> > This is *so* un-Kneem like.
> >
> > Could folks please do virus scans and take steps to clean up their
> > systems?
> >
> > Especially those who live near Lawrence, KS?  That's where this one
> may
> > have originated.
> >
> 
> That is Kneem's part of the world. It might be that he has gotten a
> new cable connection. That's who the provider is in any case.

Given that he's been posting from a Sprint dial-up connection for at
least since the beginning of April, and that's where he posted from
earlier this morning, I find it *highly* unlikely that he's in any way
responsible.

Plus, it looks like one of those stupid virus things with the actual
virus attachment stripped, which would indicate that it's almost
certainly *anyone* but him.

Julia
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Re: Party Set for Andy Kaufman, Just in Case

2004-05-09 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 5/9/2004 10:33:48 AM US Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Kaufman was best known as the lovable foreign-car mechanic Latka
> Gravas on the '70s TV sitcom "Taxi."
> 
> 
> 
> xponent
> 

I thought he could also repair American made cars?

Vilyehm
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'We are living in an American democracy' - March 2004

2004-05-09 Thread The Fool
<>

An alabaster sculpture which bears a striking resemblance to shocking
photographs from Abu Ghraib prison, made by Iraqi artist Abdul-Kareem
Khalil in ~~~March 2004~~~ is seen on display at a gallery in Baghdad,
Iraq ( - ), Saturday, May 8, 2004. The words 'We are living in an
American democracy' are inscribed on its base. 


Shrub 04:
Don't Switch Horsemen Mid-Apocalypse

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Re: New Material Grabs More Solar Energy

2004-05-09 Thread David Hobby
Julia Thompson wrote:

...
> > > I don't think that is true anymore. You can see solar cells in
> > > applications out on the street these days. A good example is the
> > > "School Zone" flashers (Hush Ronn! ) where using a solar panel to
> > > charge a battery is almost universal around here.
> >
> > Satellites, flashers, what's the difference?  If it takes too
> > long an extension cord to get power to it, the device should
> > make its own.
> 
> But some of the flashers I see (and I imagine that at least some of the
> flashers Rob sees) are in spots where it wouldn't be that big a deal to
> run a power line underground to them.  I mean, they're 20 feet from
> actual traffic lights, some of them, and *those* are being powered off
> the grid.  And the ones that aren't that close to actual traffic lights,
> I still don't think it would be that big a deal to power them off the
> grid -- but there they are, with solar cells on the top.
> 
> So maybe the tech is improving to where it's economically viable to put
> solar cells on other things.

What do you mean, "not that big a deal to run a power line
underground"?  I need some lights by the front walk, does anybody 
want to come over with a shovel and help dig a trench for the
conduit?
...
...
...
Right.  I thought not.  So they're going to be solar 
powered.  A city has better digging equipment, but also pays
more than I do in employment costs, so I bet it comes out 
about the same.
---David

Who was not arguing that the technology was poor.
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Newsweek - The Price of Arrogance

2004-05-09 Thread Gary Denton
In a war that could go on for decades, you cannot simply detain people
indefinitely on the sole authority of the secretary of Defense

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4933882/

The basic attitude taken by Rumsfeld, Cheney and their top aides has
been "We're at war; all these niceties will have to wait." As a
result, we have waged pre-emptive war unilaterally, spurned
international cooperation, rejected United Nations participation,
humiliated allies, discounted the need for local support in Iraq and
incurred massive costs in blood and treasure. If the world is not to
be trusted in these dangerous times, key agencies of the American
government, like the State Department, are to be trusted even less.
Congress is barely informed, even on issues on which its "advise and
consent" are constitutionally mandated.

Leave process aside: the results are plain. On almost every issue
involving postwar Iraqâtroop strength, international support, the
credibility of exiles, de-Baathification, handling Ayatollah Ali
SistaniâWashington's assumptions and policies have been wrong. By now
most have been reversed, often too late to have much effect. This
strange combination of arrogance and incompetence has not only
destroyed the hopes for a new Iraq. It has had the much broader effect
of turning the United States into an international outlaw in the eyes
of much of the world.

Whether he wins or loses in November, George W. Bush's legacy is now
clear: the creation of a poisonous atmosphere of anti-Americanism
around the globe. I'm sure he takes full responsibility.

Gary
#1 on google for liberal news
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Nigeria: 'christians' kill 600+ 'muslims' in revenge bloodbath

2004-05-09 Thread The Fool
<>

More than 600 people were killed when militiamen from a mainly Christian
ethnic group attacked Muslims in a small town in central Nigeria last
weekend, a Red Cross official said on Friday.

A heavily armed group of militiamen from the mainly Christian Tarok
ethnic group raided the small town of Yelwa in Plateau state on Sunday in
reprisal for an earlier Muslim attack on their own community. Their
victims were mainly members of the Hausa and Fulani tribes.

On Thursday, Umar Mairiga led the first team of Red Cross officials into
Yelwa, 220 km east of the capital Abuja, to assess the situation.

He told reporters afterwards that he was shown a mass grave where more
than 250 people were said to have been buried. Mairiga said he had heard
accounts from survivors indicating that several hundred people had been
killed.

"From what we have seen and heard we think it is correct that more than
600 people were killed," he said. Police said earlier this week they had
found 67 bodies in Yelwa.

According to Mairiga, an unknown number of people, mostly women and
children, were abducted in the attack by young Tarok men armed with guns
and machetes.

Red Cross officials treated 158 people for injuries, he added.


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mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise, every
expanded project." - James Madison

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Trolls etc, was: Re: The Lost Hearts and Minds

2004-05-09 Thread David Hobby
Julia Thompson wrote:
...
> You know, Dan, I don't buy your sock-puppet theory.
> 
> Please demonstrate conclusively to me that Mr. Lee is, in fact, a sock
> puppet.
> 
> Julia

How's this?  A direct quotation from an old post!  See!?
It proves...   
O.K., it doesn't prove anything.  
I don't think this kind of thing is amenable to proof at all, 
one way or the other.  The post is below, for what it's worth.

---David

Who has quit conversing with trolls, sock-puppets and so on. 



>  Original Message 
> Subject: RE: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands
> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 01:30:51 -0700
> From: "Mike Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Killer Bs Discussion'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Ok, we confess. John Doe and Mike Lee are the same person. Well, we're
> two
> personalities of the same person. If you ban us from this list, we will
> sue
> you under ADA. 
> 
> If you think it's hard listening to us fight, you ought to have to be in
> the
> bathroom in the morning with us. You're getting off easy. 
> 
> Every morning, I try to make a reasonable argument, but then it always
> ends
> up with me trying to hang that sonofabitch from the shower rod. Just
> when I
> think I've strung him up this time, I pass out and wake up with my head
> half
> in the toilet. 
> 
> Still, somehow, I always make it to work on time.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Darwin's Radio

2004-05-09 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 5/8/2004 7:57:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> I suppose I'm glad I finished it, since the journey to the end was 
> entertaining enough; the characters were nicely drawn, and Bear 
> is "hard SF" so I feel like I learned a little too.  But overall, I 
> felt like this one was overrated, based on the reviews I read when 
> it came out.
> 
> I know we have some Bear fans here, so I'll just don my asbestos 
> suit now and cower in my bunker.  :-)
> 
> 
I was really disappointed. If one more person takes poor Chuck's name in vain 
like this I think I am going to throw up. The fundamental premise that the 
genome can store mutations for future use seem completely wrong headed. Genetic 
change is not good or bad in and of itself. It all depends on context. A trait 
that may be useful in environment A but disasterous in environment B. How 
does the genome "decide" when it useful to let out something new.

And in the end what is this major change? To instantly know language (not one 
but all). But this completely misapprehends what language is.  We aren't born 
with language but rather the ability to learn language. We do this over the 
first years of life. To be born with language is to be born with a fixed thing, 
an inflexible thing. How would the genome code such a thing. Is there a gene 
fore the word beanball? etc. 

This is a stupid  book with plastic characters.
f

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Re: The Lost Hearts and Minds

2004-05-09 Thread Gary Denton
On Sun, 9 May 2004 06:05:17 -0700, Mike Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Unappreciated Messiah wrote:
> 
> Gary Denton, disowning responsibility:
> 
> > Mike Lee ignoring the title and head of the post.
> >
> > This is what we have now caused our supporters in Iraq to think.
> 
> You posted that crap with your full stamp of approval. It's disgusting that
> you now try to sidestep on that. And worse that nobody else on this list has
> objected, except to what I said back.
> 
> -Mike Lee
> Honest Liberal

We know  you are not liberal I will assume you are not honest.

That posting is what an intelligent Iragi who had supported our
invasion now thinks.

What are you objecting to, that Bush and Rumsfeld has failed to win
the hearts and minds and turned our supporters against us?

I could have posted from a supposedly pro-Bush Iraqi blog except for
two things.  There has been a suspicion for some time that Iraq the
Model is a fake blog produced by someone in the large pr /
commuication contingent of contractors in Baghdad.  That the latest
post is a supposed interview with a doctor who went briefly to the
prison at some time for a few weeks at night and says like an old
Hogan's Heroes spot "I saw nooothing."

I will believe our military.

As Elizabeth Moon, fantasy and science fiction writer, fellow Texan,
and ex-Marine officer wrote recently:

"And it's going to get worse. At best... at absolute best... we have
over six more months of this man and his cohorts: men without honor,
men without courage, men without even intelligence. He has already
damaged our nation's honor, credibility, economy, and military. We are
in a hole that will take some climbing out of, and he's still digging
with a steam shovel.

"The worst thing we could do at this point is turn on the rest of the
military... the honorable among them are hurting already, and we need
to support them where they are honorable (and kick their butts where
they aren't). We need to express our support for *decent* behavior and
those who exhibit it, and keep reminding that popinjay in the White
House that he has responsibility, not just authority."

http://elemming2.blogspot.com

Go run home to mama Mike, adults are tired of you.
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Party Set for Andy Kaufman, Just in Case

2004-05-09 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://makeashorterlink.com/?B20A23048


Andy Kaufman died of lung cancer on May 16, 1984, but according to
legend, the eccentric comedian said if he were faking, he'd resurface
20 years later to the day.
So, just in case, a party is being planned by Bob Zmuda, Kaufman's
best friend and partner, at the House of Blues in Los Angeles on May
16.

"Over 100 personal ads will be taken out across the country and
abroad, reminding him of his words. Will he show?" Zmuda asked on the
Web site for Comic Relief, a series of shows that raise money for
health care for the homeless. Zmuda founded Comic Relief after
Kaufman's death.

VIP tickets to the Andy Kaufman - Dead or Alive? tribute offer "select
seating and celebrity reception (hopefully with Andy)."

The tribute also promises a performance by Las Vegas lounge lizard
Tony Clifton, one of Kaufman's characters.

Kaufman was best known as the lovable foreign-car mechanic Latka
Gravas on the '70s TV sitcom "Taxi."



xponent

Out There Maru

rob


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Re: Hi! :-)

2004-05-09 Thread Robert Seeberger

- Original Message - 
From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Hi! :-)


> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Looking forward for a response  :P
> >
> > pass:  80513
>
> OK, I think someone who has been subbed at some point (may even
still be
> subbed) has a virus.
>
> This is *so* un-Kneem like.
>
> Could folks please do virus scans and take steps to clean up their
> systems?
>
> Especially those who live near Lawrence, KS?  That's where this one
may
> have originated.
>

That is Kneem's part of the world. It might be that he has gotten a
new cable connection. That's who the provider is in any case.


xponent
Watching Maru
rob


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RE: What America Does with its Hegemony

2004-05-09 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Ritu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As for the 'unobjective' bit, that wasn't posturing.
> It was my honest
> opinion. I wasn't challenging the validity of your
> sources, just your
> interpretation of the news. I don't mean to offend,
> but I do think that
> your enthusiasm for this project [democratising the
> mid-east via Iraq]
> often clouds your perception of how well the project
> is shaping up on
> the ground.
> 
> Ritu

Ritu, I'm pretty confident that only one person on
this list _knows_ what my perception of how well the
project is shaping up is.  I have been very careful
not to share it.  If I usually argue that certain
reports on the list that things are disastrous are not
true, that's because almost everyone else on the list
is in the opposite direction and I _loathe_
groupthink.  

=
Gautam Mukunda
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Freedom is not free"
http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com




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Re: Hi! :-)

2004-05-09 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Looking forward for a response  :P
> 
> pass:  80513

OK, I think someone who has been subbed at some point (may even still be
subbed) has a virus.

This is *so* un-Kneem like.

Could folks please do virus scans and take steps to clean up their
systems?

Especially those who live near Lawrence, KS?  That's where this one may
have originated.

Julia
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Hi! :-)

2004-05-09 Thread kneem
Looking forward for a response  :P

pass:  80513
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Re: Disturbing evidence of torture

2004-05-09 Thread Keith Henson
At 04:10 PM 08/05/04 -0500, Dan Minette wrote:

snip

Even now, State is being shut out of the loop.  One day Powell tells the
Black Caucus there will be no request for additional funds for Iraq, the
next day there is a request for 25 billion.
I can't deal with a number that large.

Let's see.  There are about 100 million people who pay taxes in the US.

So each 100 people's share would be $25,000, or $250 per taxpayer.

Keith Henson

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floating homes and businesses....

2004-05-09 Thread Gary Nunn

I ran across an interesting article about some homes being built in the
Netherlands that will float in a flood. I did a search and found quite a
few articles. I really wanted to find a webpage for the company that is
building these homes. It sounds like an awesome idea, especially for the
flood prone areas. I would say that this will be one of the few, if not
the only, long term urban development plan for areas like New Orleans
that are on the coast and below sea level where one good storm surge
could cause considerable flooding.

If anyone knows of, or runs across, the webpage of the manufacturer of
these house, please pass it along. I am specifically interested in how
they did the electrical and plumbing work as well as the general design.

The only REAL problem I think would be debris hitting the home as it is
floating.

Gary

floating homes
http://tinyurl.com/2j4xk

http://tinyurl.com/22nd5

floating greenhouses
http://tinyurl.com/322jj

An independent assessment of flooding in the UK
http://tinyurl.com/ywsc4

Google search
http://tinyurl.com/2bxwx






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Re: Disturbing evidence of torture

2004-05-09 Thread The Fool
--
From: Gary Denton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Sat, 8 May 2004 23:11:39 +, Alberto Monteiro
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Why would the USA torturers _document_ the torture? When
> we had state-sponsored torture in Brazil, back in the 70s,
> when we were fighting communist by closing brazilian
> economy and establishing state monopolies, the torturers
> at least were shameful of that.
> 
> This looks like the arrogance of the nazis, who documented
> all their atrocities, believing that they would never be
> punished for that
> 
> Alberto Monteiro

According to reports these are private cameras which are very common
among U.S. soldiers.

There may have been some psychological embarassment of the prisoners
going on as well.

Knowing the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld gang they will likely solve the
problem by banning cameras for servicemen like they have already
banned pictures of dead Americans and coffins.


Not yet.  Just email:
<>
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RE: What America Does with its Hegemony

2004-05-09 Thread Ritu

Gautam wrote:

> Gautam has spent long enough on this list that his
> patience is entirely worn out, which occasionally
> shows up in unwarranted sarcasm.

That's perfectly understandable. :)
Please feel free to take an occasional swipe at me. After all, it lets
me do the same and there *are* times when nothing is quite as satisfying
as being sarcastic. Wouldn't you agree? ;)

> And, Ritu, to be fair to myself I could ask you the
> same.  If you want to posture about how I'm
> unobjective or the superiority of your foreign news
> sources, you can certainly expect some of the same
> back.  I daresay I have my own ways of getting
> information that stand up to those of most people
> outside the government.

Gautam, I don't consider my foreign news sources 'superior'. All I can
access atm is the net and that is available to everyone.

As for the 'unobjective' bit, that wasn't posturing. It was my honest
opinion. I wasn't challenging the validity of your sources, just your
interpretation of the news. I don't mean to offend, but I do think that
your enthusiasm for this project [democratising the mid-east via Iraq]
often clouds your perception of how well the project is shaping up on
the ground.

Ritu

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[scouted] Parents ordered not to have any more children

2004-05-09 Thread Jim Sharkey

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/08/conception.banned.ap/index.html

The couple has four children, and all four have been place in foster 
care. The three that were tested for cocaine tested positive.  The 
judge isn't forcing contraception on them or requiring them to get
abortions.  He did offer them free sterilization, however, and told 
them if they get pregnant again, they'll both be in contempt of court.

The Reproductive Rights Project of the NYCLU has called it unconstitutional.  And 
maybe it is.  But I think that if the state 
is responsible for your children, and it looks like it will continue 
to be responsible for any more you make, it ought to have some say 
in whether or not you do have any more.

It seems unlikely this ruling will stand up, but maybe it should.

Jim

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RE: The Lost Hearts and Minds

2004-05-09 Thread Mike Lee
Gary Denton, disowning responsibility: 

> Mike Lee ignoring the title and head of the post.
> 
> This is what we have now caused our supporters in Iraq to think.

You posted that crap with your full stamp of approval. It's disgusting that
you now try to sidestep on that. And worse that nobody else on this list has
objected, except to what I said back. 

-Mike Lee
Honest Liberal

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Re: New Material Grabs More Solar Energy

2004-05-09 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Erik Reuter wrote:
>
> The zero'th order assumption,
> until further information is available, would be that the cost would
> eventually be roughly comparable to Si cells.
>
No by any scientific law of Nature, such as Murphy's Law

Alberto Monteiro

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