Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

[Doug Pensinger]

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:56:11 -0400, JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Sorry... I momentarily had thought you were the *other* Julia in your
response.Anyhow, I reacted so forcefully in part because there is a
long history of anti-religious, anti-Christian, and anti-Catholic 
sentiment on this List.
While there are some very vocal atheists on the list (Fool, William, Erik) 
and a few of us that are non-believers but not nearly as vociferous as the 
others, but there are more list members I can identify as religious to 
some degree (yourself, Nick, Dan, Dave, Ronn, Debbie). There are more in 
each category, I'm sure, but I'll wager the ratio holds.  Others on the 
list I haven't seen express their belief or lack thereof.  So to say that 
_the list_ is anti religious is inaccurate.

There is a larger percentage of non-believers here (than in the US at 
large) so when they do speak up it probably feels as if the wheels are 
coming off to those that aren't used to having their faith challenged. 8^)

--
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Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

[Dan Minette]

- Original Message - 
From: "JDG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

> Yes, this would not be possible in a valid Catholic Mass.

Wow, I'll have to tell the priests who had masses I attended with levened
bread was used that they were invalid. :-)

I've been to a number of masses where the bread was levened.  Indeed,
according to the best respected Catholic scripture scholar, the Last Supper
was probably not on Passover, but on the day of preparation.   :-)

Dan M.

Dan M.


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Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

[JDG]

At 08:15 AM 8/17/2004 -0500 Julia Randolph wrote:
>But what reason would be given for denying the use of non-wheat bread?

The Church has taught for a very, very, long time that transsubstantiation
is only possible through unleavened wheat bread.   There is important
symbolism in the use of wheat and wine that has been formalized by
Catholics.   

>And does it have to be unleavened?  I know that unleavened bread was
>used at the original event, but I've attended Eucharist services where
>a loaf of real bread was used and torn up, mostly on church camping
>trips.  Would this be forbidden to Catholics? 

Yes, this would not be possible in a valid Catholic Mass.  As an aside,
I'm unaware of Catholics ever being "in a pinch."  ;-)

>And I've attended a few Catholic masses, and based on my very limited
>experience, pretty much nobody got the wine.  Did I just attend some
>weird churches, or is this common? 

This was particularly common several decades ago.   Today it is more common
for both species to be used.   As each species is both Body *and* Blood in
Church teaching, many traditional Catholics continue to argue that the use
of both species is redundant.

> And I've been to some
>protestant-denomination churches where grape juice, not wine, was
>used; is this allowable? 

Not in the Catholic Church.

> If not, what was done during Prohibition? 
>(I'm interested in finding out what sorts of alcohol was allowed and
>under what circumstances during Prohibition; I know the government
>allowed doctors to have whiskey for medicinal purposes, my grandfather
>having been a doctor for the last part of Prohibition and having had
>whiskey in his office to give patients when that was appropriate)

I am sure that there must have been an exception made for Catholics.   For
example, on the tour of Alcatraz Island the Park Ranger mentions that the
most coveted job in the prison was Altar Boy for the Catholic Mass, as the
altar boys could consume whatever portion of the Communion wine was left over.

>> JDG - Perhaps The Fool should stick to posting about atheism, Maru, and
>> leave the Catholicism posts to the Catholics. 
>
>He's entitled to an opinion.  And if you argue well, you may convince
>others to take your side in a particular debate.

Sorry... I momentarily had thought you were the *other* Julia in your
response.Anyhow, I reacted so forcefully in part because there is a
long history of anti-religious, anti-Christian, and anti-Catholic sentiment
on this List.  So, I am used to being completely on the defensive in
regards to these subjects.   The Fool in particular also has a long history
of misrepresentations, and I've grown weary at times of attempting to
combat them.   I am sorry to have extended my frustration in your general
direction.

JDG


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Re: Cassini finds new Saturn moons

[Alberto Monteiro]

> The Cassini-Huygens mission in orbit around Saturn has discovered two new
> moons around the ringed planet. The new discoveries take Saturn's total
> tally of natural satellites to 33. The moons are about 3km (2 miles) and
> 4km (2.5 miles) across and located 194,000km (120,000 miles) and 211,000 km
> (131,000 miles) from Saturn's centre.

Cool! Resonances 15:14 and 6:5 with Mimas! Those babies are in stable
orbits!

Alberto Monteiro

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More on newly discovered moons of Saturn

[Ronn!Blankenship]

[NASA News release]
Subject: OUT FROM THE SHADOWS: TWO NEW SATURNIAN MOONS
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Donald Savage
Headquarters, 
Washington
August 16, 2004
(Phone: 202/358-1547)

Carolina Martinez
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
(Phone: 818/354-9382)
Heidi Finn
Cassini Imaging Central Laboratory for Operations, Boulder,
Colo.
(Phone: 720/974-5859)
RELEASE: 04-268
OUT FROM THE SHADOWS: TWO NEW SATURNIAN MOONS
 With eyes sharper than any that have peered at Saturn
before, the Cassini spacecraft has uncovered two moons, which
may be the smallest bodies so far seen around the ringed
planet.
The moons are approximately 3 kilometers (2 miles) and 4
kilometers (2.5 miles) across -- smaller than Boulder, Colo.
The moons, located 194,000 kilometers (120,000 miles) and
211,000 kilometers (131,000 miles) from the planet's center,
are between the orbits of Mimas and Enceladus. They are
provisionally named S/2004 S1 and S/2004 S2. One of them,
S/2004 S1, may be an object that had been spied in a single
image taken by NASA's Voyager spacecraft 23 years ago, S/1981
S14, but was unconfirmed until now.
"One of our major objectives in returning to Saturn was to
survey the entire system for new bodies," said Dr. Carolyn
Porco, imaging team leader, Space Science Institute, Boulder,
Colo. "It's really gratifying to know that among all the
other fantastic discoveries we will make over the next four
years, we can now add the confirmation of two new moons,
unnoticed around Saturn for billions of years until now," she
added.
The moons were first seen by Dr. Sebastien Charnoz, a
planetary dynamicist working with Dr. Andre Brahic, imaging
team member at the University of Paris. "Discovering these
faint satellites was an exciting experience, especially the
feeling of being the first person to see a new body of our
solar system," said Charnoz. "I had looked for such objects
for weeks while at my office in Paris, but it was only once
on holiday, using my laptop, that my code eventually detected
them. This tells me I should take more holidays," Charnoz
said.
-more-
-2-
The smallest previously known moons around Saturn are about
20 kilometers (12 miles) across. Scientists expected that
moons as small as S/2004 S1 and S/2004 S2 might be found
within gaps in the rings and perhaps near the F ring, but
they are surprised these small bodies are between two major
moons. Small comets careening around the outer solar system
would be expected to collide with small moons and break them
to bits.
The fact that these moons exist where they do might provide
limits on the number of small comets in the outer solar
system, a quantity essential for understanding the Kuiper
Belt of comets beyond Neptune and the cratering histories of
the moons of the giant planets.
"A comet striking an inner moon of Saturn moves many times
faster than a speeding bullet," said Dr. Luke Dones, an
imaging team member from the Southwest Research Institute in
Boulder, Colo. "If small, house-sized comets are common,
these moons should have been blown apart many times by
cometary impacts during the history of the solar system. The
disrupted moon would form a ring, and then most of the
material would eventually gather back together into a moon.
However, if small comets are rare, as they seem to be in the
Jupiter system, the new moons might have survived since the
early days of the solar system," he added.
Moons surrounding the giant planets generally are not found
where they originally formed because tidal forces from the
planet can cause them to drift from their original
locations.  In drifting, they may sweep through locations
where other moons disturb them, making their orbits eccentric
or inclined relative to the planet's equator. One of the new
moons might have undergone such an evolution.
Upcoming imaging sequences will scour the gaps in Saturn's
rings in search of moons that are believed to be there.
Meanwhile, Cassini scientists are eager to get a closer look,
if at all possible, at their new finds. Porco said, "We are
at this very moment looking to see what the best times are
for retargeting. Hopefully, we haven't seen the last of
them," she added.
The Cassini-Huygens mission is a cooperative project of NASA,
the European Space Agency and the Italian Space Agency. The
Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) manages the Cassini-Huygens
mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington,
D.C. The Cassini orbiter and its two onboard cameras were
designed, developed and assembled at JPL. The imaging team is
based at the Space Science Institute, Boulder, Colo.
For images and information about the Cassini-Huygens
missionon the Internet, visit:
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov   and
http://www.nasa.gov/cassini
Images are also available at the Cassini imaging team
Internet site:  http://ciclops.org
-end-
* * *
NASA press releases and other information are available automatically
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Scouted: Solar sail successfully deployed by JAXA

[Deborah Harrell]

Huh, the Bajorans did it thousands of years ago!   ;)

http://www.isas.jaxa.jp/e/snews/2004/0809.shtml
ISAS succeeded in deploying a big thin film for solar
sail in space for the first time in the world.

ISAS launched a small rocket S-310-34 from Uchinoura
Space Center in Kagoshima, Japan, at 17:15, August 9,
2004 (Japan Standard Time). The launch was the
culmination of a historic new technology, and the
success this time has really made a great achievement
in the history of solar sail...

...The S-310 rocket which was launched from Uchinoura
Space Center at 15:15 of August 9, 2004, carried two
kinds of deploying schemes of films with 7.5
micrometers thickness. A clover type deployment was
started at 100 seconds after liftoff at 122 km
altitude, and a fan type deployment was started at 169
km altitude at 230 seconds after liftoff, following
the jettison of clover type system. Both experiments
of two types deployment were successful, and the
rocket splashed on the sea at about 400 seconds after
liftoff... 

...As is shown on its Website
(http://www.planetary.org/solarsail/index2.html) , the
[next generation] spacecraft is now being built in
Russia by the Babakin Space Center and the Space
Research Institute. The spacecraft will begin the
mission in a near circular orbit, 800 kilometers above
the Earth, and gradually increase its altitude by
means of photonic pressure on its luminous sails. The
goal of Cosmos 1 is to achieve a controlled solar sail
flight, demonstrating the feasibility of solar sail
propulsion.
 
JAXA is now planning to launch the next deployment
experiment onboard a large scientific balloon from
Sanriku Balloon Center this fall.

Debbi
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Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

[William T Goodall]

On 17 Aug 2004, at 2:15 pm, Julia Randolph wrote:
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:41:44 -0400, JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
JDG - Perhaps The Fool should stick to posting about atheism, Maru, 
and
leave the Catholicism posts to the Catholics.
He's entitled to an opinion.  And if you argue well, you may convince
others to take your side in a particular debate.
Me, I'm going to be somewhat cynical about the Vatican's attitude
towards children until there's some sort of apology from them
regarding the protection of pedophiles by the Catholic Church, but
that's not germane to this thread.
It does raise interesting questions about why the leaders of this cult 
are so keen on their followers producing unlimited numbers of 
offspring.

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Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

[iaamoac]

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And nowhere does the article say anywhere that the child was forced 
to
> drink wine, or drank wine, or that her parents were willing to have 
their
> daughter drink wine.  Forcing a child to drink wine is immoral.


>From the article:

The Diocese of Trenton has told Waldman's mother that the girl can 
receive a low-gluten host, drink wine at communion or abstain 
entirely.

This drinking wine option should cause this girl to have no problem 
in receiving a valid First Communion, or second, third, fourth, etc.

Nothing in this article talks about "forcing" - that is simply 
Foolish paranoia on your part.

JDG

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Re: Cassini spacecraft detects 2 tiny moons orbiting Saturn

[Medievalbk]

 
In a message dated 8/17/2004 11:33:02 AM US Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Cassini spacecraft detects 2 tiny moons orbiting Saturn
Newest discoveries puts known number of satellites at 33



As a tribute to Rocky and Bullwinkle, I think they should name the last moon
Boswick the thoity thoird.
 
Vilyehm
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Cassini spacecraft detects 2 tiny moons orbiting Saturn

[Ronn!Blankenship]

Cassini spacecraft detects 2 tiny moons orbiting Saturn
Newest discoveries puts known number of satellites at 33
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Fwd: How Old is the Milky Way ? (ESO PR 20/04)

[Ronn!Blankenship]

Observations by an international team of astronomers with the UVES 
spectrometer on ESO's Very Large Telescope at the Paranal Observatory have 
thrown new light on the earliest epoch of the Milky Way galaxy.

The first-ever measurement of the Beryllium content in two stars in a 
globular cluster (NGC 6397) - pushing current astronomical technology 
towards the limit - has made it possible to study the early phase between 
the formation of the first generation of stars in the Milky Way and that of 
this stellar cluster. This time interval was found to amount to 200 - 300 
million years.

The age of the stars in NGC 6397, as determined by means of stellar 
evolution models, is 13,400 +/- 800 million years. Adding the two time 
intervals gives the age of the Milky Way, 13,600 +/- 800 million years.

The currently best estimate of the age of the Universe, as deduced, e.g., 
from measurements of the Cosmic Microwave Background, is 13,700 million 
years. The new observations thus indicate that the first generation of 
stars in the Milky Way galaxy formed soon after the end of the ~200 
million-year long "Dark Ages" that succeeded the Big Bang.

Read the full text of ESO Press Release 20/04 and see the three photos at 
http://www.eso.org/outreach/press-rel/pr-2004/pr-20-04.html

Kind regards,
The ESO EPR Dept.
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For your lunchtime reading enjoyment . . .

[Ronn!Blankenship]

[Forwarded message.]
Subject:  Univ. of Iowa  Study Finds Worm Eggs Help Patients With Severe 
Bowel Disorders

Helmintic Therapy
Maybe cleanliness isn't next to godliness. A recent study from
University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics shows parasitic worms may
actually be good for patients with inflammatory bowel diseases.
Before the 1940s, many children and adults in the U.S. carried tiny,
parasitic worms in their intestines. Since then, quality of life has
improved and the worms have all but disappeared. University of Iowa
researchers believe the absence of these Helminthic worms is an
important environmental factor favoring the development of
inflammatory bowel diseases.
In two recent studies, patients with Crohn's Disease and ulcerative
colitis took pig whipworm eggs in a drink every two to three weeks.
The eggs developed into worms inside the patients. Over time, the
majority of patients improved. Researchers believe this Helminthic
therapy can eventually provide a real treatment option for patients.
"The results are encouraging," said Joel Weinstock, M.D., UI
professor of internal medicine and director of the Digestive Diseases
Center at UI Hospitals and Clinics.
"We're very happy with what we have. Additional studies will be
required in the United States and Europe before we have all the
answers regarding this treatment."
Researchers are now developing ways of better packaging the worms, so
they are easier to take. Proper dosage is also a factor. Weinstock
says despite efforts over the years to eliminate these wriggling
creatures, worms may someday play a vital role in many people's
health.
"With the growing understanding of the importance of these agents in
maintaining the health of the GI track, eventually it may be possible
to develop strategies where we can treat people at risk and prevent
the disease," Weinstock said.
Helminthic therapy may eventually be used to treat other diseases
caused by similar environmental problems, including multiple
sclerosis, hay fever and asthma.
   For more information:
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Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

[Julia Randolph]

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:41:44 -0400, JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> At 12:01 PM 8/16/2004 -0500, Julia Randolph wrote:
> >On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:17:42 -0500, The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> < >> g12,0,6656242.story?coll=ny-ap-regional-wire>>
> >>
> >> 8-year-old's first Holy Communion invalidated by Church
> >>
> >> By JOHN CURRAN
> >> Associated Press Writer
> >>
> >> August 12, 2004, 2:25 PM EDT
> >>
> >> BRIELLE, N.J. -- An 8-year-old girl who suffers from a rare digestive
> >> disorder and cannot consume wheat has had her first Holy Communion
> >> declared invalid because the wafer contained none, violating Catholic
> >> doctrine.
> >> 
> >>
> >> It isn't the first such communion controversy. In 2001, the family of a
> >> 5-year-old Natick, Mass., girl with the disease left the Catholic church
> >> after being denied permission to use a rice wafer.
> >
> >So much for Mark 10:14
> >
> >( http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/www/Bible/Mark.html#10:14 )
> 
> Julia, you should know better than to believe such Foolish prattlings.
> What The Fool conveniently left out is that communion can be distributed as
> either unleavened bread or as wine, and that *each* is considered to be
> fully the Body *and* Blood of Jesus Christ by the Catholic Church.

But what reason would be given for denying the use of non-wheat bread?

And does it have to be unleavened?  I know that unleavened bread was
used at the original event, but I've attended Eucharist services where
a loaf of real bread was used and torn up, mostly on church camping
trips.  Would this be forbidden to Catholics?  (I guess that in a
pinch, one could always go out and buy some matzo for the purpose,
yes?)

And I've attended a few Catholic masses, and based on my very limited
experience, pretty much nobody got the wine.  Did I just attend some
weird churches, or is this common?  And I've been to some
protestant-denomination churches where grape juice, not wine, was
used; is this allowable?  If not, what was done during Prohibition? 
(I'm interested in finding out what sorts of alcohol was allowed and
under what circumstances during Prohibition; I know the government
allowed doctors to have whiskey for medicinal purposes, my grandfather
having been a doctor for the last part of Prohibition and having had
whiskey in his office to give patients when that was appropriate)
 
> JDG - Perhaps The Fool should stick to posting about atheism, Maru, and
> leave the Catholicism posts to the Catholics. 

He's entitled to an opinion.  And if you argue well, you may convince
others to take your side in a particular debate.

Me, I'm going to be somewhat cynical about the Vatican's attitude
towards children until there's some sort of apology from them
regarding the protection of pedophiles by the Catholic Church, but
that's not germane to this thread.
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Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

[The Fool]

> From: JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> At 04:42 AM 8/17/2004 -0500 The Fool wrote:

> >> What The Fool conveniently left out is that communion can be
> >>distributed as
> >> either unleavened bread or as wine, and that *each* is considered to
be
> >> fully the Body *and* Blood of Jesus Christ by the Catholic Church.  

> >
> >What JDG doesn't understand is that these are real people the vatican
has
> >denied communion to.
> 
> She has not been denied communion.   She has received the Body and
Blood of
> Christ, and thus has received the full blessings of the Sacrament.

OK, lets read this again:

"
An 8-year-old girl who suffers from a rare digestive disorder and cannot
consume wheat has had her first Holy Communion ___declared invalid___ 
"

And nowhere does the article say anywhere that the child was forced to
drink wine, or drank wine, or that her parents were willing to have their
daughter drink wine.  Forcing a child to drink wine is immoral.

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Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

[JDG]

At 04:42 AM 8/17/2004 -0500 The Fool wrote:
>> What The Fool conveniently left out is that communion can be
>>distributed as
>> either unleavened bread or as wine, and that *each* is considered to be
>> fully the Body *and* Blood of Jesus Christ by the Catholic Church.   
>
>What JDG doesn't understand is that these are real people the vatican has
>denied communion to.

She has not been denied communion.   She has received the Body and Blood of
Christ, and thus has received the full blessings of the Sacrament.

JDG

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Safety Gap Grows Wider Between S.U.V.'s and Cars

[William T Goodall]

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/17/business/17auto.html
" DETROIT, Aug. 16 - The gap in safety between sport utility vehicles 
and passenger cars last year was the widest yet recorded, according to 
new federal traffic data.

 People driving or riding in a sport utility vehicle in 2003 were 
nearly 11 percent more likely to die in an accident than people in 
cars, the figures show. The government began keeping detailed 
statistics on the safety of vehicle categories in 1994."

...
"Over all, crash fatalities declined across the board in 2003 to the 
lowest levels in six years, the government figures show, with 42,643 
people killed in traffic accidents in the United States. Much of the 
decline appeared to come from fewer people driving drunk and more 
people buckling up. But the United States has not made as much progress 
as some other developed nations, because rates of seat belt use remain 
lower here and because of the growing numbers of S.U.V.'s and pickup 
trucks, which tend to pose greater hazards than cars both to their 
occupants and to others on the road."

...
""It's largely a function of the rollover problem," said Rae Tyson, a 
spokesman for the traffic agency. "In certain types of crashes, you're 
more likely to be better off in an S.U.V., but that is offset by the 
fact the you're more likely to roll over.""

...
"
The traffic safety agency reported last week that there were 16.42 
deaths of S.U.V. occupants in accidents last year for every 100,000 
registered S.U.V.'s. The figure for passenger cars was 14.85 deaths for 
each 100,000 registered; pickups were slightly higher than cars at 
15.17 deaths per 100,000, while vans were lowest at 11.2 occupant 
deaths for every 100,000 registered."

"In a federal crash study this year, large passenger cars and station 
wagons, averaging about 3,600 pounds unloaded, were found to have a 
death rate of 3.3 for each billion miles traveled; they were second 
only to minivans, which had a rate of 2.76.

 Ranked third safest after the large-car category were the largest, 
tanklike sport utility vehicles, which weigh in at an average of 5,100 
pounds unloaded; their death rate was 3.79 for every billion miles. 
Midsize cars, averaging just over 3,000 pounds unloaded, had a 5.26 
fatality rate; midsize S.U.V.'s, by far the most popular type, with an 
average weight over 4,000 pounds, had a death rate of 6.73 in the 
study."

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that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the 
majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish 
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Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

[The Fool]

> From: JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> At 12:01 PM 8/16/2004 -0500, Julia Randolph wrote:
> >On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:17:42 -0500, The Fool wrote:
> >>
< >> g12,0,6656242.story?coll=ny-ap-regional-wire>> 
> >> 
> >> 8-year-old's first Holy Communion invalidated by Church
> >> 
> >> By JOHN CURRAN
> >> Associated Press Writer
> >> 
> >> August 12, 2004, 2:25 PM EDT
> >> 
> >> BRIELLE, N.J. -- An 8-year-old girl who suffers from a rare
digestive
> >> disorder and cannot consume wheat has had her first Holy Communion
> >> declared invalid because the wafer contained none, violating
Catholic
> >> doctrine.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> It isn't the first such communion controversy. In 2001, the family
of a
> >> 5-year-old Natick, Mass., girl with the disease left the Catholic
church
> >> after being denied permission to use a rice wafer.
> >
> >So much for Mark 10:14
> >
> >( http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/www/Bible/Mark.html#10:14 )
> 
> Julia, you should know better than to believe such Foolish prattlings.

This coming from a bigot and misogynist.

> What The Fool conveniently left out is that communion can be
distributed as
> either unleavened bread or as wine, and that *each* is considered to be
> fully the Body *and* Blood of Jesus Christ by the Catholic Church.   

What JDG doesn't understand is that these are real people the vatican has
denied communion to.
 
> JDG - Perhaps The Fool should stick to posting about atheism, Maru, and
> leave the Catholicism posts to the Catholics. 

Fool - Perhaps JDG should stick to posting about economics, Maru, and
leave the informative posts to the Non-Extremist-Radical-Jeeb-O-Fascists. 
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Re: Temp delay in XP SP2

[The Fool]

> From: G. D. Akin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> FYI to those running MS Windows XP Pro.
> 
> Apparently, MS was going to start force feeding XP Pro users SP2 the
next
> time they logged into Windows Update.  At the link below, you can
download a
> script that will write an entry into the Windows registry that will
stop the
> force feeding for 120 days.
> 
> Perhaps this will provide sufficient time for the bugs (and I'm sure
there
> will be some) to shake loose.
> 
> I got this from our division system administrator.
> 
> George A
> 
>
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/sp2aumng.ms
px

Why not just turn the windows update service off?  I can't even imagine
being in a production environment where the windows update service was
on.  

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Worldcon

[G. D. Akin]

This past week I picked up my airline tickets to NOREASCON.

Anyone else on the Brin list attending?

George A


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Temp delay in XP SP2

[G. D. Akin]

FYI to those running MS Windows XP Pro.

Apparently, MS was going to start force feeding XP Pro users SP2 the next
time they logged into Windows Update.  At the link below, you can download a
script that will write an entry into the Windows registry that will stop the
force feeding for 120 days.

Perhaps this will provide sufficient time for the bugs (and I'm sure there
will be some) to shake loose.

I got this from our division system administrator.

George A

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/sp2aumng.mspx



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B5 Movies

[G. D. Akin]

I went to the Post Exchange today where, to my surprise, they actually had
the B5 Movie DVD set.  I picked it up.

So much SF, so little time.

George A



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