Re: RFK Jr. interview
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So, you are saying that in 2002, a major intelligence agency > > concluded that Iraq had no WMD stockpiles of any kind? > > > No. You've inverted the statement. The NIE, as well as Tenet in > later public statements about that NIE, said that they believed > that Iraq had stockpiles of chemical and biological agents, but > they were not weaponized. And this was before the war? And they concluded that *none* of the stockpiles were weaponized. > There was no delivery system that they were aware of, just an > intention or programs to create them. Makes it kind of hard to > argue for an imminent threat, doesn't it? It depends how long it would take to weaponize them, among other factors. JDG ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Collapse
Doug Pensinger wrote: >Oy, people chomping at the bit. Sorry. I was going to get it >started tomorrow night but I'll get it going tonight. Sorry, didn't mean to rush you. I just needed to have a timeline, since the new job only gives me a lunch hour to read now instead of having the commute as well. I have to keep up with you guys! :) >Sorry to be delinquent, I wanted to give everyone atime to pick up a >copy of the book. The more the merrier, eh... Absolutely! I was going to go to the library for mine, but events placed me at the local mall last weekend, so I ponied up the ~$17 American for the softcover instead. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Moving to Montana Soon?
Doug Pensinger wrote: >One interesting conundrum he discusses is the conflict between >businesses that exist to make money and "moral obligations" to clean >up after themselves. Is this a good argument against the >preeminence of a free market economy or can we have both a strong >economy and a clean environment? That depends on your definition of a strong economy. That is, how much is enough for the wealthy owners/stockholders? For someone like me, who makes a comfortable living, I can't really comprehend the need to makes millions at the expense of others, the environment and the future. But for Charles Schwab, who bought so much of that land and (as rich baby boomers are going to be doing for the foreseeable future, I'll wager) drove local prices up beyond the means of the locals to pay readily, cutting into his millions may seem unreasonable. As an aside, if this crap of wealthy seniors buying up cheap land and driving prices up everywhere (Utah, where my brother lives, is facing a similar problem with Californians to Montana's), I wonder how young people are *ever* going to find places to live. Frex, my own house has more than *DOUBLED* in value in ~9 years. And it was built before WW I! I have a bit of a problem with this idea that environmentalism and economics are mortal enemies. There has to be some middle ground. >Another interesting point that he raises is the fact that while >native Montanan's are extremely suspicious of government and >especially Washington, they are heavily subsidized by the federal >government. Is it hypocritical of Montana's people to be >unsupportive of the Federal Government while they have their hand in >the till? Of course it is. But then, they may not even realize that it's so. But then I live in New Jersey, which IIRC gets about the least back from the US government per dollar that goes in, so I may not have an entirely unbiased opinion. Now, I do believe that sometimes the government's approach *is* unreasonable. Requiring landowners to pay for dams built 100 years ago, instead of trying to share the cost burden just seems crazy to me. Especially if the people who own the land now are not the builders. >Montana's problems are somewhat interesting. We can understand and >empathize with them because we face many of the same kinds of >problems. We face them all over. I'll give you an example. My wife's relatives get together for a family reunion in Barnegat, NJ every year, at a modest ranch on the lagoon. People are buying up those houses on those small lots, tearing them down and putting up *HUGE* McMansions in their place, filling up the property to the point of bursting. Frankly, I can't see how the local infrastructure can handle it. And they'll be the first ones to bitch when the weather goes south on them, or when someone builds something bigger across the street, ruining "their" view. I think it's just human nature to have myopic tunnel vision. We all do it, to some extent. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: My Wraptures-ready Sunday
On 8/1/06, Gibson Jonathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Aside: Just between you, me, Killer B's, and the NSA, I worry my son
will have no college fund. This was tough though doable when I went to
school {$11K/yr Tulane 1986}, but costs are so vastly more expensive
now {$43K Tulane 2006} that I worry how any of our off-spring will
finance upper education in the coming decades. Immigration to Europe
-or- Australia is a serious consideration for us.
Jonathan Gibson
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Don't forget Canuckistan! Just make sure you get here BEFORE your
kids actually start college, or you'll pay full fees.
I think it's +/- 3K/year tuition fees in Quebec for residents.
Jean-Louis
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Re: RFK Jr. interview
On 02/08/2006, at 9:19 PM, jdiebremse wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, you are saying that in 2002, a major intelligence agency concluded that Iraq had no WMD stockpiles of any kind? No. You've inverted the statement. The NIE, as well as Tenet in later public statements about that NIE, said that they believed that Iraq had stockpiles of chemical and biological agents, but they were not weaponized. And this was before the war? And they concluded that *none* of the stockpiles were weaponized. Well, given that one of the most important comms stations in the eastern med *lowered* the threat status in the weeks running up to the war, I'd say so. Charlie No Evidence Beyond Actually Being There Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: RFK Jr. interview
On 8/2/06, jdiebremse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And this was before the war? And they concluded that *none* of the stockpiles were weaponized. Yes, John. Again, I'd urge you to go to the sources. There was no delivery system that they were aware of, just an > intention or programs to create them. Makes it kind of hard to > argue for an imminent threat, doesn't it? It depends how long it would take to weaponize them, among other factors. "Immediate" has only one meaning in this context, as far as I know. Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: RFK Jr. interview
On Aug 2, 2006, at 8:26 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On 8/2/06, jdiebremse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And this was before the war? And they concluded that *none* of the stockpiles were weaponized. Yes, John. Again, I'd urge you to go to the sources. There was no delivery system that they were aware of, just an > intention or programs to create them. Makes it kind of hard to > argue for an imminent threat, doesn't it? It depends how long it would take to weaponize them, among other factors. "Immediate" has only one meaning in this context, as far as I know. I've been staying out of this thread (I'm actually learning to hold my tongue at this late date), but I came across this, which seems to be on point: "Some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent - that Saddam is at least 5-7 years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain. And we should be just as concerned about the immediate threat from biological weapons. Iraq has these weapons." — Donald Rumsfeld, 9/18/02 That's all for now, Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: RFK Jr. interview
On Aug 2, 2006, at 8:56 AM, Dave Land wrote: "Some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent - that Saddam is at least 5-7 years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain. And we should be just as concerned about the immediate threat from biological weapons. Iraq has these weapons." — Donald Rumsfeld, 9/18/02 That's all for now, Apparently not. I found a better source for the quote: the US House of Representatives record of Secretary Rumsfeld's presentation, which is slightly misquoted above... "We do know that he has been actively and persistently pursuing nuclear weapons for more than 20 years, but we should be just as concerned about the immediate threat from biological weapons. Iraq has these weapons." http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/security/has261000.000/ has261000_0.HTM http://tinyurl.com/m66jo http://url123.com/a7ycw Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Once more into the 9-11 breach
worked there for a decade. For years he
cleaned the stairwells starting from the top floors working down and
was intimately familiar with the structure and procedures which helped
him assist firemen and save many lives. What he describes is
hair-raising: explosions in the basement that had wounded people piling
up in the broken lobby interior even before the firemen arrived
{corroborating testimony I have previously heard from the first firemen
to arrive}, and odd goings on just up to the few days before it all
happened. The sequence of multiple explosions he describes also jibe
with the testimony of firemen who survived. It's riveting.
http://www.kpfa.org/cgi-bin/gen-mpegurl.m3u?
server=157.22.130.4&port=80&file=dummy.m3u&mount=/data/20060726-
Wed1300.mp3
And Dr Jones talks in depth about the metal analysis he's done. This
covers the chemical composition of samples and peculiar angled slicing
of steel supports that weakened structure. It's nuanced beyond my
familiarity, but perhaps our crew can shed light?
http://www.kpfa.org/cgi-bin/gen-mpegurl.m3u?
server=157.22.130.4&port=80&file=dummy.m3u&mount=/data/20060802-
Wed1300.mp3
He mentions URLs for pix and papers, but I didn't note them down.
Then there is the Scripps survey out this AM describing 1/3 of
Americans now believe something much more odd was going on that day
than the official story would have it. Granted this is a measure of
the rumor mill and other factors, but consistent with the growing
concerns ordinary people are having with this issue.
http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll
See you on the other side!
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Re: Prehistory
Charlie Bell wrote: On 01/08/2006, at 8:45 AM, Brother John wrote: As a child that raised white mice and rats as much as I did snakes, I can attest that white rats are much, much better pets than white mice. Mice bite and their urine stinks something awful. Neither is true of white rats. Rats actually make very nice pets, much better pets than hamsters of gerbils. Of course, that is just my person opinion. But it is based on personal experience. At last, some common ground. (Of course, you were probably raising rodents to feed to snakes, but I'll forgive you...). I never had white rats, I had a pair of dark chocolate brown rats with white bellies. The breed is "Black Berkshire", and they were _Rattus norvegicus_, or the Common Brown or Norway Rat (the most common pet rat, although a few people do breed Black Rats (_Rattus rattus_). Rats are *great* pets. Really social, and really smart. Yes, my brother and I were raising rats to feed to our snakes. But we really liked the rats. They didn't bite like the mice, hamsters and gerbils we owned. And they were much cleaner than the mice. Mice simply stink something awful. I think rats, if a person gets clean, healthy well bred rats, make excellent pets. Obviously disease ridden sewer rats aren't good to have around. But you could say the same thing about diseased, uncared for cats and dogs too. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Since we are all children of the same Heavenly Father, we really are all brothers and sisters." --Uncle Bob All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Moving to Montana Soon?
Doug Pensinger wrote: Collapse by Jarred Diamond Part One: Modern Montana Chapter One: Under Montana's Big Sky [...] A similarity to my home town of Morgan Hill, Ca. to the Bitterroot Valley is the contrast in attitudes of the old timers; farmers and ranchers with sizeable land holdings and upper-middle class to upper class professionals with a fondness for the small town atmosphere in close proximity to a major metropolitan area. Morgan Hill has a slow-growth policy that allows a limited number of new housing units per year. This is frustrating to landowners because there is a huge demand for housing in the area. Have you ever driven through the Bitterroot Valley south of Missoula, Montana? I have done it only once, but I was deeply impressed with the beauty of it, and the size of the huge wood frame houses along the way. They were enormous, not particularly fancy but very large. I think that Missoula is one of most beautifully situated cities in the world, right along the spine of the continent. Of course, it isn't any prettier than Ketchikan, Alaska where I live. But then a perfect 10 is a perfect 10. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Since we are all children of the same Heavenly Father, we really are all brothers and sisters." --Uncle Bob All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Moving to Montana Soon?
On 8/2/06, Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Collapse by Jarred Diamond Part One: Modern Montana Chapter One: Under Montana's Big Sky Diamond picks Montana for his first chapter because he can gage the attitudes of the people that live there, because it provides a contrast to the more fragile societies discussed in later chapters and because it illustrates the five main themes of the book: human impacts on the environment; climate change; a society's relations with neighboring friendly societies; a society's exposure to acts of other potential hostile societies; and the importance of a society's responses to it's problems. He uses Montana as a reference for the reader. A familiar situation with which we can relate to the more severe problems he discusses later on. A similarity to my home town of Morgan Hill, Ca. to the Bitterroot Valley is the contrast in attitudes of the old timers; farmers and ranchers with sizeable land holdings and upper-middle class to upper class professionals with a fondness for the small town atmosphere in close proximity to a major metropolitan area. Morgan Hill has a slow-growth policy that allows a limited number of new housing units per year. This is frustrating to landowners because there is a huge demand for housing in the area. Montana's environmental problems include toxic wastes, forests, soils, water, climate change, biodiversity losses and introduced pests and while Diamond classifies Montana as probably the least damaged of the lower 48 states, the problems he describes seem severe. One interesting conundrum he discusses is the conflict between businesses that exist to make money and "moral obligations" to clean up after themselves. Is this a good argument against the preeminence of a free market economy or can we have both a strong economy and a clean environment? Fascinating! Read on. -- Doug Me and the pygmy pony over by the dental floss bush, maru This is a long-standing and fascinating (IMO) objection to market economies. After all, economic activities driven by market economics seem to inevitably fall into tragedies of the commons, which is exactly what one sees here: the penalties fall on (other people's) descendants in the far future, or even if they manifest soon enough to be on a company's radar (remember that there is discounting of possible future liabilities going on here; I dunno what the discount rate is, but it's probably pretty high when you consider examples like the tobacco companies), they are often negative externalities for which the company can get off scot-free. What makes Montana such a good example is that because of the light long-term population of Indians, we can see pretty well just how our birds done come home to roost. Unsurprisingly, I think this is very much a matter of tradeoffs. Clearly a market economy can find effective ways to minimize long-term impacts if the market is sufficiently distorted (say, by government regulations), but almost by definition, such a distorted market is not The Efficient Market, and so there's a real cost there. ~maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Once more into the 9-11 breach
- Original Message -
From: "Gibson Jonathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Discussion Bs"
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:42 PM
Subject: Once more into the 9-11 breach
> Greetings compatriots,
>
> I note the last few days have seen a small wave of 9-11
> collusion/conspiracy events worth bringing up as they appear to shed
> yet more light on this heated topic. I'm still digesting what we've
> already been writing and following up on and I'd rather stew on it
> further, but events appear to be accelerating. Although there are
> many fine ideas expressed by our group around what mechanisms,
> natural -or- otherwise, could have brought the buildings down what
> is notable is the sheer number and severity of anomalies in timing
> and eye-witness accounts of these events only makes me ever-more
> suspicious.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5600145
There are people who want a conspiracy theorist fired.
>
> I recently listened to WTC survivor and certified hero William
> Rodriguez describe his actions and what he witnessed that day. It
> is truly remarkable as a story of repeatedly rescuing people from
> inside the buildings by someone who worked there for a decade. For
> years he cleaned the stairwells starting from the top floors
> working down and was intimately familiar with the structure and
> procedures which helped him assist firemen and save many lives.
> What he describes is hair-raising: explosions in the basement that
> had wounded people piling up in the broken lobby interior even
> before the firemen arrived {corroborating testimony I have
> previously heard from the first firemen to arrive}, and odd goings
> on just up to the few days before it all happened. The sequence of
> multiple explosions he describes also jibe with the testimony of
> firemen who survived. It's riveting.
> http://www.kpfa.org/cgi-bin/gen-mpegurl.m3u?
> server=157.22.130.4&port=80&file=dummy.m3u&mount=/data/20060726-
> Wed1300.mp3
>
I think I can explain explosions in the basement, though I would need
the electrical plans to the building to verify this but.
When the plane crashes into the building it is quite possible that
electrical mains on the affected floors and electrical mains feeding
floors higher in the building could be severed.
Generally, in a tall building such as the WTC buildings, the main
electrical feed (Service Entrance or Service Lateral) and switchgear
is located in the basement. When several lines are cut (and shorted
certainly), it is quite possible that rather than simply tripping, the
breakers exploded and started a fire in the basement.
Such an explosion would and could be quite energetic and extremely
loud.
I've been in a room when a main breaker suffered a direct short, and I
can tell you it is like a gunshot going off next to your head. You can
feel the shockwave internally and your hearing will be impaired for a
couple of hours. (After the TS Allison flood we had a problem with a
tripping breaker similarly where this occurred several times over 2
hours. When we were ready to try to energize the breaker for the third
time, the General Contractors people were running for the door. It is
*that* loud and *that* scary.)
Now this is all strictly conjecture, but I can envision that after the
impact, the main for the entire building might have tripped, and
panicked maintenance people might have tried to re-energize the
building quickly. In such a situation the breaker might have exploded
spewing molten copper and plastic over the people in the area with a
plasma fireball possibly 15 to 20 feet in diameter. This would cause
very serious injuries if not death. If the voltages were in the medium
to high voltage range (4160V to 20,000 V or so) the temperature of the
plasma would be as hot as the surface of the sun. A bad situation to
find yourself in and many people have died under just such
circumstances.
xponent
Taste Your Fillings Maru
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Re: Moving to Montana Soon?
In a message dated 8/2/2006 1:31:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Montana's problems are somewhat interesting. We can understand and empathize with them because we face many of the same kinds of problems. In comparison with the disaster that occurred on Easter Island described in Chapter Two: Twilight at Easter, however, the problems our country faces (at least the short term ones) seem like small potatoes. Fascinating! Read on. What struck me was the absence of any easy answers. There are people of good will but they cannot agree. The issue of the long term effects of mining of non-renewable resources is more difficult and profound than I realized. I see no solution other than to hold the companies responsible at least in part. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Once more into the 9-11 breach
Hello,
I see we are going to focus on the mechanical rather than political
here.
On Aug 2, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
I think I can explain explosions in the basement, though I would need
the electrical plans to the building to verify this but.
When the plane crashes into the building it is quite possible that
electrical mains on the affected floors and electrical mains feeding
floors higher in the building could be severed.
Generally, in a tall building such as the WTC buildings, the main
electrical feed (Service Entrance or Service Lateral) and switchgear
is located in the basement. When several lines are cut (and shorted
certainly), it is quite possible that rather than simply tripping, the
breakers exploded and started a fire in the basement.
Such an explosion would and could be quite energetic and extremely
loud.
I've been in a room when a main breaker suffered a direct short, and I
can tell you it is like a gunshot going off next to your head. You can
feel the shockwave internally and your hearing will be impaired for a
couple of hours. (After the TS Allison flood we had a problem with a
tripping breaker similarly where this occurred several times over 2
hours. When we were ready to try to energize the breaker for the third
time, the General Contractors people were running for the door. It is
*that* loud and *that* scary.)
Now this is all strictly conjecture, but I can envision that after the
impact, the main for the entire building might have tripped, and
panicked maintenance people might have tried to re-energize the
building quickly. In such a situation the breaker might have exploded
spewing molten copper and plastic over the people in the area with a
plasma fireball possibly 15 to 20 feet in diameter. This would cause
very serious injuries if not death. If the voltages were in the medium
to high voltage range (4160V to 20,000 V or so) the temperature of the
plasma would be as hot as the surface of the sun. A bad situation to
find yourself in and many people have died under just such
circumstances.
OK, what you've said is reasonable except for the timing and extent of
damage to those lower levels. As I mentioned this is a witness telling
how it went down as he saw it and you really ought to give it a listen.
He explains much of the structure he was intimately familiar with and
you can infer more from this than many of the reports one might have
heard. Frankly, it wasn't until I heard firsthand testimony {firemen}
that I began to feel my half-hidden questions about the physics should
be re-examined. I'd note he was lauded in a ceremony by GwB and
beseeched by numerous Republicans to run for office - except he's a
democratic sort and declined. It's when he actually started telling
this tale widely that FBI types began flanking and preceding his
appearances to intimidate event personnel - at least that's what he has
relayed in various talks.
Here's a written account for the auditory handicapped.
http://www.freezerbox.com/archive/article.php?id=401
As relayed by Rodriguez he arrived late for work or he'd have been on
the top floor. He was at the top level of six the basement floors had
where the maintenance offices were when he felt the explosion about
8:46 and heard a massive boom and felt an upwelling force move him and
his co-workers who had been chit-chatting. Walls crack, ceiling fell
on top of them and THEN they heard the distant pop and tremble from the
plane hitting above. The skin was hanging off of someone emerging from
the lower sub-levels that made up the basement levels calling out
"bomb". This sounds seriously larger than an electrical condenser
exploding. It took out entire floors filled with tons of heavy HVAC
gear and presses and metal shops all gone... somewhere. I've tried to
reconcile the above impact maybe vibrating the base enough to destroy
the lobby, but something also burst elevator doors out and upward, few
pieces of the lobby's marble wall cladding remained attached, it
doesn't add up - to me.
After many travails and rescuing scores of people unfamiliar with the
building Rodriguez finally hid under a fire truck when the buildings
fell.
One thing nobody in this conversation has taken up is the amazing
amount of damage to the interior lobby area. Firemen teams who arrived
found scores of injured in the ruined lobby {not dead smooshed people
having jumped to their death outside}. Here's some oral histories by
the firemen and others as MP3:
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2006/911-WTC-Twin-Towers26jan06.htm
- Jonathan -
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Re: Moving to Montana Soon?
Jim wrote: I have a bit of a problem with this idea that environmentalism and economics are mortal enemies. There has to be some middle ground. In fact, in the long run, environmentalism makes good business sense. The problem is that so many businesses in this country don't take the long run into account - next week, next month, maybe next year, but five years from now? WTF cares. We face them all over. I'll give you an example. My wife's relatives get together for a family reunion in Barnegat, NJ every year, at a modest ranch on the lagoon. People are buying up those houses on those small lots, tearing them down and putting up *HUGE* McMansions in their place, filling up the property to the point of bursting. Frankly, I can't see how the local infrastructure can handle it. And they'll be the first ones to bitch when the weather goes south on them, or when someone builds something bigger across the street, ruining "their" view. Yea, we get the same kind of thing around here. In Palo Alto, with some of the most expensive real estate in the country, they've had to pass an ordinance to keep people from building mansions on postage stamp sized lots that used to have cottages on them. And the tiny lots they put new houses on are ridiculous. I think it's just human nature to have myopic tunnel vision. We all do it, to some extent. Indeed we do. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Moving to Montana Soon?
Brother John wrote: Have you ever driven through the Bitterroot Valley south of Missoula, Montana? No. Montana is one of sevenor eight states I've never set foot in. I have done it only once, but I was deeply impressed with the beauty of it, and the size of the huge wood frame houses along the way. They were enormous, not particularly fancy but very large. I think that Missoula is one of most beautifully situated cities in the world, right along the spine of the continent. Of course, it isn't any prettier than Ketchikan, Alaska where I live. But then a perfect 10 is a perfect 10. I haven't been to Ketchikan, but I visited Sitka for several days a couple years back. Very nice. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: RFK Jr. interview
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And this was before the war? And they concluded that *none* of > > the stockpiles were weaponized. > > > Yes, John. Again, I'd urge you to go to the sources. Uh, what's your source for this? > > > There was no delivery system that they were aware of, just an > > > intention or programs to create them. Makes it kind of hard to > > > argue for an imminent threat, doesn't it? > > > > It depends how long it would take to weaponize them, among other > > factors. > > > "Immediate" has only one meaning in this context, as far as I know. I don't think so. We are talking about justification for war. So "immediate" could easily mean that if this opportunity to neutralize the threat is not taken now, that we will not have a future opportunity to neutralize it before it becomes unneutralizeable. JDG ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Moving to Montana Soon?
Bob wrote: What struck me was the absence of any easy answers. There are people of good will but they cannot agree. The issue of the long term effects of mining of non-renewable resources is more difficult and profound than I realized. I see no solution other than to hold the companies responsible at least in part. Mine Asteroids? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
