Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

[Ronn! Blankenship]

At 10:34 PM Monday 7/21/2008, hkhenson wrote:
>At 12:00 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote:
>
>Keith wrote
> >>If someone in the area can think of another venue to talk about
> >>dollar a gallon gasoline,



I found it interesting that over the weekend I heard a sound bite on 
the news from Al Gore where he was also using the figure of the 
equivalent of a dollar a gallon.



>  I can make a case and I have slides.
> >
> >Why don't you make a case to some venture capitalists and/or
> >industry representatives who can get started immediately on
> >actualizing the project?
>
>It's my understanding that projects are not funded unless the people
>are known to the VC's.  If you know some and want to be part of the
>project, let me know.



No.  I was just thinking that in the current situation, there would 
probably be investors who would be very interested in getting in on 
something which looked like it really would provide even a partial solution.



>It's not even a particularly risky project.  If you have electrical
>energy to burn, making syngas is easy from coal, even from
>trash.  Sasol knows two ways to turn syngas into oil.
>
>The only drawback is the size, it's on a par with the cost of a few
>years of the Iraq War.



I was thinking that what you would want to do would be to find 
investors willing to fund a pilot facility and show that it worked 
locally (city?  county?  state?  whatever . . . ).  If it did work as 
predicted, it would be an easy matter to sell it to those willing to 
expand it to larger areas.  That's one problem with some of the 
suggestions out there:  they talk about savings (resource or 
financial) to be realized only after the whole energy infrastructure 
(at least of the entire US if not the world) has been converted from 
what it is at present to the proposed new version.  Few people seem 
to be talking with any specificity about how to accomplish the 
individual intermediate steps to get from here to there and what the 
incremental savings or other advantages to be gained from those 
intermediate steps will be.  And the proposals which require the 
whole system to be replaced before any advantages might be realized 
are so costly that the only way they could be funded is by the 
government with taxpayer money, and we have seen for the past 40 
years how well that works.  With a good proposal, hopefully private 
industry would be interested in funding the initial local facility 
and then expanding from there when it shows results.


. . . ronn!  :)



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Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

[Ronn! Blankenship]

At 10:06 PM Tuesday 7/22/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
>On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:29 PM, hkhenson wrote:
>
> > I am not optimistic that this will be done.  If this or some other
> > really huge supply of primary energy is not found, we are going to be
> > in for some nasty times.  The other way the energy crisis will be
> > solved is for the world population to fall to about a billion.
> >
> > Keith
>
>Pretty sure we're headed for a population crash at least that drastic
>regardless.  it's obvious to me that the earth cannot support 6-7
>billion sustainably no matter what we do.  And there are certain parts
>of the population doing their best to outbreed everyone else just to
>skew future demographics.  So it's likely to be a hard crash, and not
>a very well controlled one at that.



Showing again that the underlying problem is that people must 
renounce greed and selfishness and replace them with cooperation and altruism.


. . . ronn!  :)



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Re: Indigo and Umami

[Ronn! Blankenship]

At 03:14 PM Tuesday 7/22/2008, Julia Thompson wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:04 PM, William T Goodall
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> There used to be seven colours in a rainbow and four basic flavours
> >> (sweet, sour, bitter, salt) and then indigo became a shade of violet
> >> and umami became the fifth basic flavour.
> >
> > I thought that there were still 7 colors of the rainbow *including*
> > indigo.  I learned the colors as ROY G BIV -- Red Orange Yellow Green
> > Blue Indigo Violet.
> >
> > Or did you learn a different system?
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo
>
>"Color scientists do not usually recognize indigo as a significant color
>category, and generally classify wavelengths shorter than about 450 nm as
>violet."
>
>Also, there's a source text from the 19th century at Wikipedia on this
>very question; the tinyurl for it is http://tinyurl.com/5f8afl
>
>My resident color expert says it's just a word game.  :)  Then again, he
>knows more about color *science* than color *words*.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow#The_place_of_indigo
>"All the Roy G. Biv mnemonics follow the tradition of including the colour
>indigo between blue and violet. Newton originally (1672) named only five
>primary colours: red, yellow, green, blue and violet. Only later did he
>introduce orange and indigo, giving seven colours by analogy to the number
>of notes in a musical scale. Some sources now omit indigo, because it
>is a tertiary color and partly due to the poor ability of humans to
>distinguish colours in the blue portion of the visual spectrum."
>
>My kids' crayon boxes have red, orange, yellow, green, blue and violet; if
>you buy a box of 8 crayons, you get all those but not indigo.  I
>personally conform to the crayon box school of "rainbow colors".
>
>(Oh, and Resident Color Expert warns that magenta, pink and brown are
>*not* rainbow colors, just in case anyone thought any of them might be, or
>ought to be.)


Magenta, however, is a secondary additive color, or a primary 
subtractive color, along with cyan and yellow.


. . . ronn!  :)



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RE: Indigo and Umami

[Pat Mathews]

Actually the colors are or, argent, gules, vert, azul, purpure, and sable.


http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/





> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:07:18 -0500
> To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Indigo and Umami
> 
> At 03:14 PM Tuesday 7/22/2008, Julia Thompson wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:04 PM, William T Goodall
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> There used to be seven colours in a rainbow and four basic flavours
> > >> (sweet, sour, bitter, salt) and then indigo became a shade of violet
> > >> and umami became the fifth basic flavour.
> > >
> > > I thought that there were still 7 colors of the rainbow *including*
> > > indigo.  I learned the colors as ROY G BIV -- Red Orange Yellow Green
> > > Blue Indigo Violet.
> > >
> > > Or did you learn a different system?
> >
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo
> >
> >"Color scientists do not usually recognize indigo as a significant color
> >category, and generally classify wavelengths shorter than about 450 nm as
> >violet."
> >
> >Also, there's a source text from the 19th century at Wikipedia on this
> >very question; the tinyurl for it is http://tinyurl.com/5f8afl
> >
> >My resident color expert says it's just a word game.  :)  Then again, he
> >knows more about color *science* than color *words*.
> >
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow#The_place_of_indigo
> >"All the Roy G. Biv mnemonics follow the tradition of including the colour
> >indigo between blue and violet. Newton originally (1672) named only five
> >primary colours: red, yellow, green, blue and violet. Only later did he
> >introduce orange and indigo, giving seven colours by analogy to the number
> >of notes in a musical scale. Some sources now omit indigo, because it
> >is a tertiary color and partly due to the poor ability of humans to
> >distinguish colours in the blue portion of the visual spectrum."
> >
> >My kids' crayon boxes have red, orange, yellow, green, blue and violet; if
> >you buy a box of 8 crayons, you get all those but not indigo.  I
> >personally conform to the crayon box school of "rainbow colors".
> >
> >(Oh, and Resident Color Expert warns that magenta, pink and brown are
> >*not* rainbow colors, just in case anyone thought any of them might be, or
> >ought to be.)
> 
> 
> Magenta, however, is a secondary additive color, or a primary 
> subtractive color, along with cyan and yellow.
> 
> 
> . . . ronn!  :)
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Dollar a gallon gasoline

[Pat Mathews]

> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:04:02 -0500
> To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> 
> Showing again that the underlying problem is that people must 
> renounce greed and selfishness and replace them with cooperation and altruism.
> 
> 
> . . . ronn!  :)

"Great idea. Wrong species." E.O. Wilson


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Re: Indigo and Umami

[Julia Thompson]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

> At 03:14 PM Tuesday 7/22/2008, Julia Thompson wrote:
>
>> (Oh, and Resident Color Expert warns that magenta, pink and brown are
>> *not* rainbow colors, just in case anyone thought any of them might be, or
>> ought to be.)
>
>
> Magenta, however, is a secondary additive color, or a primary
> subtractive color, along with cyan and yellow.

You can find yellow in the Sun's spectrum.  You can't find magenta in the 
Sun's spectrum.

Julia

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Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

[Bruce Bostwick]

On Jul 23, 2008, at 3:04 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

> At 10:06 PM Tuesday 7/22/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
>> On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:29 PM, hkhenson wrote:
>>
>>> I am not optimistic that this will be done.  If this or some other
>>> really huge supply of primary energy is not found, we are going to  
>>> be
>>> in for some nasty times.  The other way the energy crisis will be
>>> solved is for the world population to fall to about a billion.
>>>
>>> Keith
>>
>> Pretty sure we're headed for a population crash at least that drastic
>> regardless.  it's obvious to me that the earth cannot support 6-7
>> billion sustainably no matter what we do.  And there are certain  
>> parts
>> of the population doing their best to outbreed everyone else just to
>> skew future demographics.  So it's likely to be a hard crash, and not
>> a very well controlled one at that.
>
>
>
> Showing again that the underlying problem is that people must
> renounce greed and selfishness and replace them with cooperation and  
> altruism.
>
>
> . . . ronn!  :)

It's been tried.  Many times.


"You wanna tempt the wrath of the whatever from high atop the thing?"  
-- Toby Ziegler


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And the thred creep begins Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

[Julia Thompson]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote:

> "You wanna tempt the wrath of the whatever from high atop the thing?"
> -- Toby Ziegler

Why did Toby get all the really good lines?

Julia

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Re: And the thred creep begins Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

[Charlie Bell]

On 23/07/2008, at 11:21 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
>
>> "You wanna tempt the wrath of the whatever from high atop the thing?"
>> -- Toby Ziegler
>
> Why did Toby get all the really good lines?

He didn't get them all. He got a lot, but so did Josh, and Sam, and  
CJ, and President Bartlett, and Leo, and Donna.

Good deal: our local gamesmusictvdvdhifigearshop has a special on - TV  
box sets at $30. But buy-two-get-one-free.

So, buy two, that's $20 a season one you pick up a third.

So, we went a bit mad and bought all of buffy, all of west wing and  
with the final free slot grabbed firefly. :-)

Charlie
Watching Le Tour Go Up Some Big Hills Maru
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Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

[Ronn! Blankenship]

At 08:02 AM Wednesday 7/23/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote:

>On Jul 23, 2008, at 3:04 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
>
> > At 10:06 PM Tuesday 7/22/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
> >> On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:29 PM, hkhenson wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am not optimistic that this will be done.  If this or some other
> >>> really huge supply of primary energy is not found, we are going to
> >>> be
> >>> in for some nasty times.  The other way the energy crisis will be
> >>> solved is for the world population to fall to about a billion.
> >>>
> >>> Keith
> >>
> >> Pretty sure we're headed for a population crash at least that drastic
> >> regardless.  it's obvious to me that the earth cannot support 6-7
> >> billion sustainably no matter what we do.  And there are certain
> >> parts
> >> of the population doing their best to outbreed everyone else just to
> >> skew future demographics.  So it's likely to be a hard crash, and not
> >> a very well controlled one at that.
> >
> >
> >
> > Showing again that the underlying problem is that people must
> > renounce greed and selfishness and replace them with cooperation and
> > altruism.
> >
> >
> > . . . ronn!  :)
>
>It's been tried.  Many times.


You know what Yoda said.


. . . ronn! :)

"Do . . . or do not.  There is no try."
-- Yoda 


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Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

[Bruce Bostwick]

On Jul 23, 2008, at 10:21 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

> At 08:02 AM Wednesday 7/23/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
>
>> On Jul 23, 2008, at 3:04 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
>>
>>> At 10:06 PM Tuesday 7/22/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
 On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:29 PM, hkhenson wrote:

> I am not optimistic that this will be done.  If this or some other
> really huge supply of primary energy is not found, we are going to
> be
> in for some nasty times.  The other way the energy crisis will be
> solved is for the world population to fall to about a billion.
>
> Keith

 Pretty sure we're headed for a population crash at least that  
 drastic
 regardless.  it's obvious to me that the earth cannot support 6-7
 billion sustainably no matter what we do.  And there are certain
 parts
 of the population doing their best to outbreed everyone else just  
 to
 skew future demographics.  So it's likely to be a hard crash, and  
 not
 a very well controlled one at that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Showing again that the underlying problem is that people must
>>> renounce greed and selfishness and replace them with cooperation and
>>> altruism.
>>>
>>>
>>> . . . ronn!  :)
>>
>> It's been tried.  Many times.
>
>
> You know what Yoda said.
>
>
> . . . ronn! :)
>
> "Do . . . or do not.  There is no try."
> -- Yoda 

I have to go with Pat's quote.  I personally would absolutely love to  
live in a world run on cooperation and altruism, and I see those as  
ideals we're working toward, some people of this species grasp the  
value of it more than others.  But a world run on cooperation and  
altrusim can't be established by fiat, because it depends on  
*everyone* (or at least a critical mass of the population) believing  
in those values and taking ownership of the process of putting them  
into action, and historically, social movements based on precisely  
those values have been the ones most vulnerable to being subverted to  
serve personal greed, and the ones most prone to become oppressive  
oligarchies and dictatorships.  For every Marx, there's a Stalin.   
(Which was one of the many examples I meant by "it's been tried".)   
This species is just not ready to be turned loose with only its own  
individuals' ethical and moral senses as police.  And a world built on  
cooperation and altruism has to be exactly that -- it's not something  
that can be imposed on people from outside, it's something they have  
to consciously choose for it to work.

Some of us get it.  But not enough, not by far, not yet ..

"Grotesque oppression isn't okay just because it's been  
institutionalized." -- Toby Ziegler


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Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

[hkhenson]

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Not the face of Jesus

[William T Goodall]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7520149.stm

"'Allah meat' astounds Nigerians
Diners have been flocking to a restaurant in northern Nigeria to see  
pieces of meat which the owner says are inscribed with the name of  
Allah.

What looks like the Arabic word for God and the name of the prophet  
Muhammad were discovered in pieces of beef by a diner in Birnin Kebbi.

He was about to eat it, when he suddenly noticed the words in the  
gristle, the restaurant owner said.

A search of the kitchen's meat revealed three more pieces which bore  
the names.

The meat was boiled and then fried before being served, owner Kabiru  
Haliru told newspaper Weekly Trust.

"When the writings were discovered there were some Islamic scholars  
who come and eat here and they all commented that it was a sign to  
show that Islam is the only true religion for mankind," he said.

The restaurant has kept the pieces of meat for visitors to see.

Thousands of people have already gone to the restaurant to see them  
since they were discovered last week.

A vet told the newspaper the words "defied scientific explanation".

"Supposing only one piece of meat was found then it would be  
suspicious, but given the circumstances there is no explanation," Dr  
Yakubu Dominic said."



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Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

[Ronn! Blankenship]

At 11:23 AM Wednesday 7/23/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
>On Jul 23, 2008, at 10:21 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> > At 08:02 AM Wednesday 7/23/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
> >> On Jul 23, 2008, at 3:04 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> >>> At 10:06 PM Tuesday 7/22/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
>  On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:29 PM, hkhenson wrote:
> 
> > I am not optimistic that this will be done.  If this or some other
> > really huge supply of primary energy is not found, we are going to
> > be
> > in for some nasty times.  The other way the energy crisis will be
> > solved is for the world population to fall to about a billion.
> >
> > Keith
> 
>  Pretty sure we're headed for a population crash at least that
>  drastic
>  regardless.  it's obvious to me that the earth cannot support 6-7
>  billion sustainably no matter what we do.  And there are certain
>  parts
>  of the population doing their best to outbreed everyone else just
>  to
>  skew future demographics.  So it's likely to be a hard crash, and
>  not
>  a very well controlled one at that.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Showing again that the underlying problem is that people must
> >>> renounce greed and selfishness and replace them with cooperation and
> >>> altruism.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> . . . ronn!  :)
> >>
> >> It's been tried.  Many times.
> >
> >
> > You know what Yoda said.
> >
> >
> > . . . ronn! :)
> >
> > "Do . . . or do not.  There is no try."
> > -- Yoda
>
>I have to go with Pat's quote.  I personally would absolutely love to
>live in a world run on cooperation and altruism, and I see those as
>ideals we're working toward, some people of this species grasp the
>value of it more than others.  But a world run on cooperation and
>altrusim can't be established by fiat, because it depends on
>*everyone* (or at least a critical mass of the population) believing
>in those values and taking ownership of the process of putting them
>into action,



Correct!



>  and historically, social movements based on precisely
>those values have been the ones most vulnerable to being subverted to
>serve personal greed, and the ones most prone to become oppressive
>oligarchies and dictatorships.



That simply means that we have to keep on trying ("never give up!").



>For every Marx, there's a Stalin.
>(Which was one of the many examples I meant by "it's been tried".)



I was not aware that either of those was associated with a movement 
to convince everyone that they must love each other as much as they 
love their family members or indeed  themselves.



>This species is just not ready to be turned loose with only its own
>individuals' ethical and moral senses as police.  And a world built on
>cooperation and altruism has to be exactly that -- it's not something
>that can be imposed on people from outside, it's something they have
>to consciously choose for it to work.



Correct.  As the hot dog vendor told the Zen master 
():  "Change comes only from within."



>Some of us get it.  But not enough, not by far, not yet ..



Is there any other way to help them to "get it" than to keep reminding them?


. . . ronn!  :)



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Re: Not the face of Jesus

[Ronn! Blankenship]

Whassamatter?  You didn't like the subject line "Meat your maker"?




. . . ronn!  :)



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Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

[Ronn! Blankenship]

At 03:32 PM Wednesday 7/23/2008, hkhenson wrote:

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I'm speechless, too!


. . . ronn!  :P

Professional Smart-Aleck.  Do Not Attempt.



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Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

[Julia Thompson]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

> At 03:32 PM Wednesday 7/23/2008, hkhenson wrote:
>
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>
>
> I'm speechless, too!
>
>
> . . . ronn!  :P
>
> Professional Smart-Aleck.  Do Not Attempt.

So, how does being a Smart-Aleck pay these days?  :)

Julia

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Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

[Bruce Bostwick]

On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

>> For every Marx, there's a Stalin.
>> (Which was one of the many examples I meant by "it's been tried".)
>
> I was not aware that either of those was associated with a movement
> to convince everyone that they must love each other as much as they
> love their family members or indeed  themselves.

Marx's theories relied heavily on people acting on cooperative and  
altruistic motivations and taking ownership of their own  
responsibility to pursue those collective goals.  As noble as that  
appeal is, it's idealistic in ways that don't take the darker and more  
destructive aspects of human nature into account.  (And Marx was,  
arguably, describing ideal conditions, which the nominally "Marxist"  
Soviet system glossed over in many ways.)  And there is a very real  
tendency in our species to find ways to game those "noble" systems for  
personal benefit, which in that case left the door wide open to the  
wholesale corruption and power-brokering that gave Stalin his  
opportunity to seize power.

My point is that there is no such "noble" system of organizing a  
society that will not be under some degree of attack by people whose  
only motivation is to steal as much as they can from it and live like  
little kings off the spoils, or do their best to destroy it out of  
sheer spite, and the moment such a scheme takes shape, people like  
that are already working out strategies to game it to their benefit.   
The most frustrating thing for me is that they often like to leave the  
*appearance* of the more noble system in place as a handy camouflage  
to hide their manipulation, and adopt the language and trappings of it  
as a code to further their own agenda.  This is almost a constant of  
collective human behavior, and it's part of the paradigm shift that  
will have to take place before we're ready to be ruled strictly by our  
own consciences and our wilingness to cooperate and love each other as  
much as we do our family or ourselves.  We have to walk before we can  
run, and we haven't gotten much past the crawling stage on that scale.

"If we go two lines without using the phrase 'unimaginably large  
military arsenal' we're out of our minds." -- Toby Ziegler



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Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

[Bruce Bostwick]

On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

>> Some of us get it.  But not enough, not by far, not yet ..
>
>
>
> Is there any other way to help them to "get it" than to keep  
> reminding them?
>
>
> . . . ronn!  :)

Now on that, I will wholeheartedly agree with you.  Reminders never  
hurt.

And it also never hurts to remind people how much more rewarding life  
would be to live in a cooperative society.  (It's rewarding enough to  
experience little moments of cooperative action among individual  
strangers right now, just as it is rewarding to simply share a moment  
of being nice to each other or showing some token of mutual respect.   
It feels great, and it feels that way for a very good reason.)

It's just going to take a lot of work to sell a critical mass of  
people on it, and get enough of them to believe in it that they can  
defend that cooperative ideal against the people who are guaranteed to  
try to tear it down.

(I have to confess here that I have a very unflattering opinion of  
most of my species, primarily because the vast majority of them do not  
in fact get this basic concept.  I hope that the species might learn  
this lesson while I'm still alive, but my money is on closer to about  
a millennium from now..)

ENGLISH: A language that lurks in dark alleys, beats up other  
languages, and rifles through their pockets for spare vocabulary.


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Dollar a gallon gasoline

[Jon Louis Mann]

> >In places where these things are irrelevant,
> >like China, coal is used to the maximum.

> They are well aware of the problems from coal and are
> expected (if 
> this goes live) to be the largest customers.  On the other
> hand, they 
> might own the space manufacturing setup and we would be
> buying power from them.
> I am not optimistic that this will be done.  If this or
> some other 
> really huge supply of primary energy is not found, we are
> going to be 
> in for some nasty times.  The other way the energy crisis
> will be 
> solved is for the world population to fall to about a
> billion.
> Keith 

so we face either a collapse, or the singularity?  either one will solve the 
problem...
will any other brinlisters be at denvention, and are there plans to meet?
jon


  
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Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

[Ronn! Blankenship]

At 08:39 PM Wednesday 7/23/2008, Julia Thompson wrote:


>On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
>
> > At 03:32 PM Wednesday 7/23/2008, hkhenson wrote:
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > I'm speechless, too!
> >
> >
> > . . . ronn!  :P
> >
> > Professional Smart-Aleck.  Do Not Attempt.
>
>So, how does being a Smart-Aleck pay these days?  :)
>
> Julia



I haven't had a raise since I got the job . . . :(


. . . ronn!  :)



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