Re: Democrats Voted Out of Baptist Church
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Democrats Voted Out of Baptist Church Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 15:36:36 -0700 On May 8, 2005, at 2:01 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 03:44 PM Sunday 5/8/2005, Nick Arnett wrote: Both of these -- politics and religion -- like nations, are inventions of human beings, I believe. So you don't believe there's a God? That doesn't necessarily follow. Religion might be a bit like a courtship dance -- or maybe like a funeral ceremony -- something ritualized to allow one to get a handle on something that seems ungraspable, unknowable, or at the very least baffling. *As such separating religion from the concept of deity doesn't necessarily kill the god.* Unless of course you're a god from a Terry Pratchett novel. -Travis Om Edmunds _ Scan and help eliminate destructive viruses from your inbound and outbound e-mail and attachments. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Democrats Voted Out of Baptist Church
On Sun, 08 May 2005 16:01:07 -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote At 03:44 PM Sunday 5/8/2005, Nick Arnett wrote: Both of these -- politics and religion -- like nations, are inventions of human beings, I believe. So you don't believe there's a God? Unrelated issue... religion and God have something to do with each other, ideally, but either one can surely exist without the other. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Democrats Voted Out of Baptist Church
On 9 May 2005, at 6:08 pm, Nick Arnett wrote: On Sun, 08 May 2005 16:01:07 -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote At 03:44 PM Sunday 5/8/2005, Nick Arnett wrote: Both of these -- politics and religion -- like nations, are inventions of human beings, I believe. So you don't believe there's a God? Unrelated issue... religion and God have something to do with each other, ideally, but either one can surely exist without the other. Well you're certainly right that religion exists without god! -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ How long a minute is depends on which side of the bathroom door you're on. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Democrats Voted Out of Baptist Church
On May 9, 2005, at 11:14 AM, William T Goodall wrote: On 9 May 2005, at 6:08 pm, Nick Arnett wrote: On Sun, 08 May 2005 16:01:07 -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote At 03:44 PM Sunday 5/8/2005, Nick Arnett wrote: Both of these -- politics and religion -- like nations, are inventions of human beings, I believe. So you don't believe there's a God? Unrelated issue... religion and God have something to do with each other, ideally, but either one can surely exist without the other. Well you're certainly right that religion exists without god! Spot on, William! This is one of the reasons that many people refuse to have truck with religion, while they continue to maintain a healthy relationship with their God. The all-too-human institution of religion is frequently corrupt. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Democrats Voted Out of Baptist Church
On May 8, 2005, at 12:18 PM, Robert G. Seeberger wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/ap/20050507/ap_on_re_us/ church_politics_4 Some in Pastor Chan Chandler's flock wish he had a little less zeal for the GOP. Members of the small East Waynesville Baptist Church say Chandler led an effort to kick out congregants who didn't support President Bush. Nine members were voted out at a Monday church meeting in this mountain town, about 120 miles west of Charlotte. What I find most ironic about this is they were *voted* out. But that's probably OK. The more the extremists dominate the religious outlook in the US, the more they will continue to alienate the centrists, which will have the net result of the Republican party swinging back into the hands of moderates. (Remember what happened when Buchanan did his split?) Had this particular ugly little trend begun in 2003, we might have a different president today. Things are looking up! -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Democrats Voted Out of Baptist Church
On Mon, 9 May 2005 19:14:32 +0100, William T Goodall wrote Well you're certainly right that religion exists without god! All too often... all too often. ;-) Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Democrats Voted Out of Baptist Church
Had this particular ugly little trend begun in 2003, we might have a different president today. Things are looking up! Warren, you are just a font of positive thinking... Damon, a little more jaded... Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: Ertl's TIE Fighter -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.7 - Release Date: 5/9/2005 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Democrats Voted Out of Baptist Church
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/ap/20050507/ap_on_re_us/church_politics_4 Some in Pastor Chan Chandler's flock wish he had a little less zeal for the GOP. Members of the small East Waynesville Baptist Church say Chandler led an effort to kick out congregants who didn't support President Bush. Nine members were voted out at a Monday church meeting in this mountain town, about 120 miles west of Charlotte. He's the kind of pastor who says do it my way or get out, said Selma Morris, the former church treasurer. He's real negative all the time. Chandler didn't return a message left by The Associated Press at his home Friday, and several calls to the church went unanswered. He told WLOS-TV in Asheville that the actions were not politically motivated. The station also reported that 40 others in the 400-member congregation resigned in protest after Monday's vote. During the presidential election last year, Chandler told the congregation that anyone who planned to vote for Democratic Sen. John Kerry should either leave the church or repent, said former member Lorene Sutton. Some church members left after Chandler made his ultimatum in October, Morris said. George Bullard, associate executive director-treasurer for Baptist State Convention of North Carolina, told the Asheville Citizen-Times that a pastor has every right to disallow memberships if a church's bylaws allow for the pastor to establish criteria for membership. Membership is a local church issue, he said. It is not something the state convention would enter into. He added that the nine members were not legally terminated because Monday's meeting was supposed to be a deacons meeting, not a business meeting. They have a lawyer looking into the situation, he said. The head of the North Carolina Democratic Party sharply criticized the pastor Friday, saying Chandler jeopardized his church's tax-free status by openly supporting a candidate for president. If these reports are true, this minister is not only acting extremely inappropriately by injecting partisan politics into a house of worship, but he is also potentially breaking the law, Chairman Jerry Meek said. Doris Wilson, one of Chandler's neighbors and a member of First Baptist Church in Waynesville, said God doesn't play partisan politics. I hate to see the church suffer like that, she said. God doesn't care whether you're a Republican or a Democrat. It just hurts to see that going on. xponent Ruling Party Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Democrats Voted Out of Baptist Church
On Sun, 8 May 2005 14:18:22 -0500, Robert G. Seeberger wrote http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/ap/20050507/ap_on_re_us/church_politics_4 Some in Pastor Chan Chandler's flock wish he had a little less zeal for the GOP. Members of the small East Waynesville Baptist Church say Chandler led an effort to kick out congregants who didn't support President Bush. Nine members were voted out at a Monday church meeting in this mountain town, about 120 miles west of Charlotte. And only a few miles from my parents... No wonder they feel a bit lonely there in North Carolina, and not very interested in church. They'd have been voted out of that one. If my political beliefs and my faith never tug me in differing directions, then I either don't really have any political beliefs or I don't really have an religious beliefs, I suspect. Both of these -- politics and religion -- like nations, are inventions of human beings, I believe. Worshipping human inventions seems to have always been a path to trouble. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Democrats Voted Out of Baptist Church
At 03:44 PM Sunday 5/8/2005, Nick Arnett wrote: Both of these -- politics and religion -- like nations, are inventions of human beings, I believe. So you don't believe there's a God? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Democrats Voted Out of Baptist Church
On May 8, 2005, at 2:01 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 03:44 PM Sunday 5/8/2005, Nick Arnett wrote: Both of these -- politics and religion -- like nations, are inventions of human beings, I believe. So you don't believe there's a God? That doesn't necessarily follow. Religion might be a bit like a courtship dance -- or maybe like a funeral ceremony -- something ritualized to allow one to get a handle on something that seems ungraspable, unknowable, or at the very least baffling. As such separating religion from the concept of deity doesn't necessarily kill the god. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
