Re: NASA envisions Mars warmed up for life
On Feb 8, 2005, at 6:08 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Feb 7, 2005, at 11:59 AM, Dave Land wrote: Warren, On Feb 7, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Feb 6, 2005, at 10:46 PM, David Land wrote: And why not? Left Behind-reading, Biblical-literalist eco-terrorists are plotting the demise of Earth in order to force God's hand and bring about the end of days anyway. Oh? Have you heard some news of which I'm unaware? I'm reasonably sure that this has been discussed on the list, but here's (http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2004/10/27/scherer-christian/) an article that discusses the topic. Mm. But that's not on par with literally being eco-terrorists with an anti-preservation agenda... OK, so maybe the term eco-terrorists is a bit over the top. Nonetheless, I boggle at the fact that there are self-proclaimed Bible-loving Christians in positions of power whose interpretation of the Scripture is so out of bounds that it threatens not only life on Earth, but makes it possible -- even likely -- that millions will relegate their beloved book to the same pile that holds the gods of Olympus. It's as if they are saying We have to destroy our faith in order to save you. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: NASA envisions Mars warmed up for life
Dave Land wrote: It's as if they are saying We have to destroy our faith in order to save you. It seems to be closely related to the focus on ownership v. stewardship. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: NASA envisions Mars warmed up for life
On Feb 6, 2005, at 10:46 PM, David Land wrote: Robert G. Seeberger wrote: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002172407_mars06.ht ml http://tinyurl.com/58hnw Global warming may be a scourge on Earth, but injecting greenhouse gases into the atmosphere of Mars might be just the thing to turn the barren planet into a living, breathing world that could support future human colonies, NASA researchers said. And why not? Left Behind-reading, Biblical-literalist eco-terrorists are plotting the demise of Earth in order to force God's hand and bring about the end of days anyway. Oh? Have you heard some news of which I'm unaware? They need somewhere for La Haye's sick fantasy of suffering for people who don't believe just like him and his kind to take place. And how appropriate it would be a place like Mars, named after a PAGAN god, who was an earlier PAGAN god under the Greeks, and we all know what *they* were famous for.** God help us. Um. Years ago I had a button that read, Dear lord, please protect me from your followers. However, I'd appeal to something a little closer to material reality for help. ;) -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ** The answer is: Cheesecake. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: NASA envisions Mars warmed up for life
Warren, On Feb 7, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Feb 6, 2005, at 10:46 PM, David Land wrote: And why not? Left Behind-reading, Biblical-literalist eco-terrorists are plotting the demise of Earth in order to force God's hand and bring about the end of days anyway. Oh? Have you heard some news of which I'm unaware? I'm reasonably sure that this has been discussed on the list, but here's (http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2004/10/27/scherer-christian/) an article that discusses the topic. Especially, the following: But a scripture-based justification for anti-environmentalism? Many Christian fundamentalists feel that concern for the future of our planet is irrelevant, because it has no future. They believe we are living in the End Time, when the son of God will return, the righteous will enter heaven, and sinners will be condemned to eternal hellfire. They may also believe, along with millions of other Christian fundamentalists, that environmental destruction is not only to be disregarded but actually welcomed -- even hastened -- as a sign of the coming Apocalypse. I'm reading Saving the Bible From Fundamentalism right now -- it touches on exactly this kind of so-called logic that these scary people use to support their nutty agenda. They need somewhere for La Haye's sick fantasy of suffering for people who don't believe just like him and his kind to take place. And how appropriate it would be a place like Mars, named after a PAGAN god, who was an earlier PAGAN god under the Greeks, and we all know what *they* were famous for.** Yes: logic. And we all know how popular *that* is among the religious right. God help us. Um. Years ago I had a button that read, Dear lord, please protect me from your followers. However, I'd appeal to something a little closer to material reality for help. ;) That's pretty much exactly what I meant. I have often wondered about the wisdom of God in putting us in charge of furthering His work on earth. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: NASA envisions Mars warmed up for life
why not jsut turn their logic around on them and say that wouldnt god want all of amn to be saved... and if you want to hasten his return would you not also be condemed to the hellfires with the sinners? - Original Message - From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 3:29 PM Subject: Re: NASA envisions Mars warmed up for life Warren, On Feb 7, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Feb 6, 2005, at 10:46 PM, David Land wrote: And why not? Left Behind-reading, Biblical-literalist eco-terrorists are plotting the demise of Earth in order to force God's hand and bring about the end of days anyway. Oh? Have you heard some news of which I'm unaware? I'm reasonably sure that this has been discussed on the list, but here's (http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2004/10/27/scherer-christian/) an article that discusses the topic. Especially, the following: But a scripture-based justification for anti-environmentalism? Many Christian fundamentalists feel that concern for the future of our planet is irrelevant, because it has no future. They believe we are living in the End Time, when the son of God will return, the righteous will enter heaven, and sinners will be condemned to eternal hellfire. They may also believe, along with millions of other Christian fundamentalists, that environmental destruction is not only to be disregarded but actually welcomed -- even hastened -- as a sign of the coming Apocalypse. I'm reading Saving the Bible From Fundamentalism right now -- it touches on exactly this kind of so-called logic that these scary people use to support their nutty agenda. They need somewhere for La Haye's sick fantasy of suffering for people who don't believe just like him and his kind to take place. And how appropriate it would be a place like Mars, named after a PAGAN god, who was an earlier PAGAN god under the Greeks, and we all know what *they* were famous for.** Yes: logic. And we all know how popular *that* is among the religious right. God help us. Um. Years ago I had a button that read, Dear lord, please protect me from your followers. However, I'd appeal to something a little closer to material reality for help. ;) That's pretty much exactly what I meant. I have often wondered about the wisdom of God in putting us in charge of furthering His work on earth. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: NASA envisions Mars warmed up for life
On Feb 7, 2005, at 11:16 AM, Nick Lidster wrote: why not jsut turn their logic around on them and say that wouldnt god want all of amn to be saved... and if you want to hasten his return would you not also be condemed to the hellfires with the sinners? A fair question, Nick. I'm not sure that logic is especially useful in this context. It occurs to me that these people are closer to Judas than to Jesus in their actions -- like the famous betrayer, they seek to force God's hand. I suspect that they will succeed much as the disciple did. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: NASA envisions Mars warmed up for life
Warren Ockrassa wrote: Um. Years ago I had a button that read, Dear lord, please protect me from your followers. However, I'd appeal to something a little closer to material reality for help. ;) Hmm. Despite... or perhaps because... I'm Christian, I think I could wear that button, too. But I'd be tempted to substitute the Pharisees for your followers, just for specificity. On the other hand, I'm trying to convince myself to abandon negativity in favor of positive messages that I'll pound into others' heads until their resistance crumbles. (Yes, that was irony... at least I hope so.) Today's nominee for a head-pounding postive message: Creating a 'stewardship' society. Take that, Cato Institute, Heritage Foundation, etc. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
NASA envisions Mars warmed up for life
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002172407_mars06.ht ml http://tinyurl.com/58hnw Global warming may be a scourge on Earth, but injecting greenhouse gases into the atmosphere of Mars might be just the thing to turn the barren planet into a living, breathing world that could support future human colonies, NASA researchers said. Scientists at NASA's Ames Research Center near Mountain View, Calif., propose using fluorine-based gases, elements of which already exist on the Martian surface, to start the warming process. The compound octafluoropropane produced the greatest warming effects, the scientists wrote in a study published in this month's Journal of Geophysical Research: Planets. Increasing the level of greenhouse gases in the Martian atmosphere by 300 parts per million would initiate a runaway greenhouse effect, melting polar ice sheets and releasing carbon dioxide, the study said. This in turn would thicken the atmosphere. The process could take centuries or millenniums, researchers said. But because the raw materials are available on Mars, astronauts could create the gases on a manned mission to the planet. Bringing life to Mars and studying its growth would contribute to our understanding of evolution, and the ability of life to adapt and proliferate on other worlds, said Margarita Marinova, formerly at Ames, who was part of the team that led the study. Since warming Mars effectively reverts it to its past, more habitable state, this would give any possibly dormant life on Mars the chance to revive and develop further, she said. xponent Versatile Fluorocarbon Distribution Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: NASA envisions Mars warmed up for life
Robert G. Seeberger wrote: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002172407_mars06.ht ml http://tinyurl.com/58hnw Global warming may be a scourge on Earth, but injecting greenhouse gases into the atmosphere of Mars might be just the thing to turn the barren planet into a living, breathing world that could support future human colonies, NASA researchers said. And why not? Left Behind-reading, Biblical-literalist eco-terrorists are plotting the demise of Earth in order to force God's hand and bring about the end of days anyway. They need somewhere for La Haye's sick fantasy of suffering for people who don't believe just like him and his kind to take place. God help us. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: NASA envisions Mars warmed up for life
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:16:34 -0600, Robert G. Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since warming Mars effectively reverts it to its past, more habitable state, this would give any possibly dormant life on Mars the chance to revive and develop further, she said. And for a little extra water we could redirect a large comet so that it collides with Mars. Oh, sorry, is that on topic? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
