Re: New 'planet' bigger than Pluto
Doug Pensinger wrote: On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 04:53:48 -0600, Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Genius is Pain! http://www.lulu.com/content/110468 It sounds better than it readsG I thought that since you made two references to Radio Dinner that you'd recognize a few more. Genius is Pain is a reference to the John Lennon spoof Magical Misery Tour and Catch it and You Keep it was a game show lampoon. Radio Dinner http://www.marksverylarge.com/recordings/radiodinner.html the Lennon piece: http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1456928 BTW, its a favorite of Brins - he mentioned it here more than once. G I recognised themG The link is to an MP3 of The Deteriorata. Did you also listen to Lemmings? xponent Some F*ckin Peace Creep Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: New 'planet' bigger than Pluto
On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:01:50 -0600, Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug Pensinger wrote: On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 04:53:48 -0600, Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Genius is Pain! http://www.lulu.com/content/110468 It sounds better than it readsG I thought that since you made two references to Radio Dinner that you'd recognize a few more. Genius is Pain is a reference to the John Lennon spoof Magical Misery Tour and Catch it and You Keep it was a game show lampoon. Radio Dinner http://www.marksverylarge.com/recordings/radiodinner.html the Lennon piece: http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1456928 BTW, its a favorite of Brins - he mentioned it here more than once. G I recognised themG The link is to an MP3 of The Deteriorata. Did you also listen to Lemmings? Oh out behind the barn I'm chewin on a piece of hay I'm up to my knees in cowsh*t I'm shovelin' my blues away Sheesh, from memory and I know I haven't heard it in twenty years or more. Its a spoof of old/new Dylan, and there was also a spoof of James Taylor, but I don't remember much else. I've got them both on vinyl somewhere. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: New 'planet' bigger than Pluto
Doug Pensinger wrote: Robert wrote: Go placidly amid the noise waste, remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof. Avoid quiet passive persons unless you are in need of sleep. Rotate your tires. Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself and heed well their advice even though they be turkeys; know what to kiss and when. Consider that two wrongs never make a right but that three do. Wherever possible, put people on hold. Be comforted that in the face of all aridity disillusionment and despite the changing fortunes of time, there will always be a big future in computer maintenance. Remember the Pueblo. Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle, mutilate. Know yourself; if you need help, call the FBI. Exercise caution in your daily affairs, especially with those persons closest to you. That lemon on your left, for instance. Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls would scarcely get your feet wet. Fall not in love therefore; it will stick to your face. Gracefully surrender the things of youth, birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan; and let not the sands of time get in your lunch. Hire people with hooks. For a good time, call 606-4311; ask for Ken. Take heart amid the deepening gloom that your dog is finally getting enough cheese; and reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot, it could only be worse in Milwaukee. You are a fluke of the universe; you have no right to be here, and whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back. Therefore make peace with your God whatever you conceive Him to be: Hairy Thunderer or Cosmic Muffin. With all its hopes, dreams, promises urban renewal, the world continues to deteriorate. Give up. Genius is Pain! http://www.lulu.com/content/110468 It sounds better than it readsG xponent Bonus Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: New 'planet' bigger than Pluto
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 04:53:48 -0600, Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Genius is Pain! http://www.lulu.com/content/110468 It sounds better than it readsG I thought that since you made two references to Radio Dinner that you'd recognize a few more. Genius is Pain is a reference to the John Lennon spoof Magical Misery Tour and Catch it and You Keep it was a game show lampoon. Radio Dinner http://www.marksverylarge.com/recordings/radiodinner.html the Lennon piece: http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1456928 BTW, its a favorite of Brins - he mentioned it here more than once. -- Doug Old Fart ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: New 'planet' bigger than Pluto
At 10:20 PM Sunday 2/5/2006, Julia Thompson wrote: Robert G. Seeberger wrote: I keep on talking about my object as that thing we found or 2003 UB313, which is a horrible name, said Mike Brown, a Cal Tech planetary scientist who discovered the object with colleagues Chad Trujillo of the Gemini Observatory and David Rabinowitz of Yale University. It can't get an official name until it has an official status and right now it doesn't have an official status, so it can't get a name, he said. So he's not going with the convention a number of other astromers are using, referring to it as Xena? He started using that as a preliminary name. He says he has a better permanent name in mind to be revealed when the time comes. Hopefully he is not going to follow the example of a SF story I read some years back where the discoverer of several planets beyond Pluto named them Mickey, Goofy, et. al. . . . (Dunno if the IAU would approve those names, or, for that matter, if they would approve Xena as the official name . . . ) --Ronn! :) Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER GOD. Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that would be eliminated from schools too? -- Red Skelton (Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: New 'planet' bigger than Pluto
Julia Thompson wrote: So he's not going with the convention a number of other astromers are using, referring to it as Xena? If there´s any logic, it should be named America Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: New 'planet' bigger than Pluto
In a message dated 2/6/2006 4:29:26 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alberto Monteiro wrote:If there´s any logic, it should be named America Because it's too far out to be useful? Vilyehm ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: New 'planet' bigger than Pluto
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:20 PM Sunday 2/5/2006, Julia Thompson wrote: Robert G. Seeberger wrote: I keep on talking about my object as that thing we found or 2003 UB313, which is a horrible name, said Mike Brown, a Cal Tech planetary scientist who discovered the object with colleagues Chad Trujillo of the Gemini Observatory and David Rabinowitz of Yale University. It can't get an official name until it has an official status and right now it doesn't have an official status, so it can't get a name, he said. So he's not going with the convention a number of other astromers are using, referring to it as Xena? He started using that as a preliminary name. He says he has a better permanent name in mind to be revealed when the time comes. Hopefully he is not going to follow the example of a SF story I read some years back where the discoverer of several planets beyond Pluto named them Mickey, Goofy, et. al. . . . (Dunno if the IAU would approve those names, or, for that matter, if they would approve Xena as the official name . . . ) It need to be named after a major Greek/Roman god like Athena. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: New 'planet' bigger than Pluto
So he's not going with the convention a number of other astromers are using, referring to it as Xena? If there´s any logic, it should be named America Spoiler space . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Uranium, Neptunium, Plutonium, Americium :-) Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: New 'planet' bigger than Pluto
On Feb 6, 2006, at 1:00 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: So he's not going with the convention a number of other astromers are using, referring to it as Xena? If there´s any logic, it should be named America Spoiler space . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Uranium, Neptunium, Plutonium, Americium :-) Alberto crossed the streams of humor. Dave___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: New 'planet' bigger than Pluto
On 2/6/06, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 6, 2006, at 1:00 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: So he's not going with the convention a number of other astromers are using, referring to it as Xena? If there´s any logic, it should be named America Spoiler space . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Uranium, Neptunium, Plutonium, Americium :-) Alberto crossed the streams of humor. Spengler: There's something very important I forgot to tell you. Venkman: What? Spengler: Don't cross the streams. Venkman: Why? Spengler: It would be bad. Venkman: I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing. What do you mean, bad? Spengler: Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light. Stantz: Total protonic reversal. Venkman: Right. That's bad. Okay, all right, important safety tip. Thanks Egon. :-) I love that movie. Mauro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: New 'planet' bigger than Pluto
Mauro Diotallevi wrote: On 2/6/06, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 6, 2006, at 1:00 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: So he's not going with the convention a number of other astromers are using, referring to it as Xena? If there´s any logic, it should be named America Spoiler space . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Uranium, Neptunium, Plutonium, Americium :-) Alberto crossed the streams of humor. Spengler: There's something very important I forgot to tell you. Venkman: What? Spengler: Don't cross the streams. Venkman: Why? Spengler: It would be bad. Venkman: I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing. What do you mean, bad? Spengler: Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light. Stantz: Total protonic reversal. Venkman: Right. That's bad. Okay, all right, important safety tip. Thanks Egon. :-) I love that movie. So do I. You beat me to that. :) That has been quoted a lot around me. And I have quoted it a lot, at least the every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light bit. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: New 'planet' bigger than Pluto
Mauro Diotallevi wrote: On 2/6/06, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 6, 2006, at 1:00 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: So he's not going with the convention a number of other astromers are using, referring to it as Xena? If there´s any logic, it should be named America Spoiler space . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Uranium, Neptunium, Plutonium, Americium :-) Alberto crossed the streams of humor. Spengler: There's something very important I forgot to tell you. Venkman: What? Spengler: Don't cross the streams. Venkman: Why? Spengler: It would be bad. Venkman: I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing. What do you mean, bad? Spengler: Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light. Stantz: Total protonic reversal. Venkman: Right. That's bad. Okay, all right, important safety tip. Thanks Egon. :-) I love that movie. I've always suspected that scene was a joke/metaphor for group pissing based on the former Lampooners penchant for juvenile humor. xponent It's Because I'm Pissing On Your Briefcase Maru rob Go placidly amid the noise waste, remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof. Avoid quiet passive persons unless you are in need of sleep. Rotate your tires. Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself and heed well their advice even though they be turkeys; know what to kiss and when. Consider that two wrongs never make a right but that three do. Wherever possible, put people on hold. Be comforted that in the face of all aridity disillusionment and despite the changing fortunes of time, there will always be a big future in computer maintenance. Remember the Pueblo. Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle, mutilate. Know yourself; if you need help, call the FBI. Exercise caution in your daily affairs, especially with those persons closest to you. That lemon on your left, for instance. Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls would scarcely get your feet wet. Fall not in love therefore; it will stick to your face. Gracefully surrender the things of youth, birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan; and let not the sands of time get in your lunch. Hire people with hooks. For a good time, call 606-4311; ask for Ken. Take heart amid the deepening gloom that your dog is finally getting enough cheese; and reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot, it could only be worse in Milwaukee. You are a fluke of the universe; you have no right to be here, and whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back. Therefore make peace with your God whatever you conceive Him to be: Hairy Thunderer or Cosmic Muffin. With all its hopes, dreams, promises urban renewal, the world continues to deteriorate. Give up. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: New 'planet' bigger than Pluto
Robert wrote: Go placidly amid the noise waste, remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof. Avoid quiet passive persons unless you are in need of sleep. Rotate your tires. Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself and heed well their advice even though they be turkeys; know what to kiss and when. Consider that two wrongs never make a right but that three do. Wherever possible, put people on hold. Be comforted that in the face of all aridity disillusionment and despite the changing fortunes of time, there will always be a big future in computer maintenance. Remember the Pueblo. Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle, mutilate. Know yourself; if you need help, call the FBI. Exercise caution in your daily affairs, especially with those persons closest to you. That lemon on your left, for instance. Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls would scarcely get your feet wet. Fall not in love therefore; it will stick to your face. Gracefully surrender the things of youth, birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan; and let not the sands of time get in your lunch. Hire people with hooks. For a good time, call 606-4311; ask for Ken. Take heart amid the deepening gloom that your dog is finally getting enough cheese; and reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot, it could only be worse in Milwaukee. You are a fluke of the universe; you have no right to be here, and whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back. Therefore make peace with your God whatever you conceive Him to be: Hairy Thunderer or Cosmic Muffin. With all its hopes, dreams, promises urban renewal, the world continues to deteriorate. Give up. Genius is Pain! -- Doug Catch it and you keep it maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: New 'planet' bigger than Pluto
On Feb 6, 2006, at 7:04 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote: Go placidly amid the noise waste, remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof... Wow! Deteriorata. I haven't heard that in years. Amazing how the dig on domestic surveillance (If you need help, call the FBI) is right back in the news again. I listened to a bit of today's hearings and especially enjoyed Sen. Leahy's sharply sarcastic retort when Alfredo Gonzalez refused to answer yet another question on the basis that it was operational, rather than going to the overall legality of the program: Oh, I'm sorry, Mr. Attorney General, I forgot that you're not allowed to answer any questions that would be helpful to this committee (or words to that effect). Amazing how it only took 30 years for us to elect a president that makes Richard Nixon look good. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
New 'planet' bigger than Pluto
http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/02/01/tenth.planet/index.html German astrophysicists have concluded a space body located in the outer reaches of the solar system has a diameter 435 miles (700 kilometers) larger than Pluto, the smallest planet. Their research puts more pressure on the International Astronomical Union (IAU) to classify the object as the 10th planet in our solar system. UB313 is decidedly larger than Pluto, said University of Bonn Professor Frank Bertoldi, whose team's findings will be published in Thursday's journal Nature. The object, tentatively named 2003 UB313, is an icy body that lies beyond the planet Neptune. 2003 UB313 was first photographed in October 2003 by astronomers at the California Institute of Technology's Palomar Observatory, north of San Diego. Astronomers announced last summer that it was large enough to be a planet and was likely much larger than Pluto. (Full story) To determine 2003 UB313's size, the Bonn team lead by Bertoldi and the Max Planck Institute for Radio Astronomy, used a Spanish telescope equipped with a sensitive heat sensor to measure its thermal emission. Solar system objects are visible through the light they reflect from the sun. The bigger the planet, the bigger the reflection. The report says UB313's surface is such that it reflects about 60 percent of the incident solar light, which is very similar to the reflectivity of Pluto. Measuring the heat radiation of UB313 at a wavelength of 1.2 mm, where reflected sunlight is negligible and the object brightness only depends on the surface temperature and the object size, the temperature can be well estimated from the distance to the sun, and thus the observed 1.2 mm brightness allows a good size measurement. Scientists determined 2003 UB313's diameter is about 1,864 miles (3,000 kilometers), which is 435 miles (700 kilometers) larger than Pluto. It is now increasingly hard to justify calling Pluto a planet if UB313 is not also given this status, Bertoldi said. The claims of a 10th planet have re-ignited a debate over just how many objects should be called planets -- there is no official definition. A number of astronomers dispute whether Pluto, discovered in 1930, should really be classified as a planet, because it is so dissimilar from the other eight planets in our solar system. They believe Pluto should be classified only as a Kuiper Belt object, part of an array of icy debris left from the formation of our solar system some 4.5 billion years ago. The IAU, the official arbiter of such disputes, has classified Pluto as a planet and declined to demote it. The discovery of a solar system object larger than Pluto is very exciting, said the Planck Institute's Dr. Wilhelm Altenhoff. It tells us that Pluto, which should properly also be counted to the Kuiper Belt, is not such an unusual object. Thousands of Kuiper objects have been discovered, and more are being found all the time. The New Horizons spacecraft, launched on January 19, is on a 10-year journey to explore Pluto, its moons and the Kuiper Belt. (Full story) 2003 UB313's elongated orbit is 97 times as far from the Earth as the Earth is from the sun, or nearly 9 billion miles away. Scientists measure the distances between planets in astronomical units (AU). One AU is the distance from the sun to the Earth -- 93 million miles (150 million kilometers). 2003 UB313 is 97 AUs from the sun. Should 2003 UB313 be classified as a planet, its name will certainly change. The scientists who discovered it will submit a name, with the Astronomical Union making the final decision. I keep on talking about my object as that thing we found or 2003 UB313, which is a horrible name, said Mike Brown, a Cal Tech planetary scientist who discovered the object with colleagues Chad Trujillo of the Gemini Observatory and David Rabinowitz of Yale University. It can't get an official name until it has an official status and right now it doesn't have an official status, so it can't get a name, he said. xponent Far Maru rob So far away from me So far I just can't see So far away from me You're so far away from me ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: New 'planet' bigger than Pluto
Robert G. Seeberger wrote: I keep on talking about my object as that thing we found or 2003 UB313, which is a horrible name, said Mike Brown, a Cal Tech planetary scientist who discovered the object with colleagues Chad Trujillo of the Gemini Observatory and David Rabinowitz of Yale University. It can't get an official name until it has an official status and right now it doesn't have an official status, so it can't get a name, he said. So he's not going with the convention a number of other astromers are using, referring to it as Xena? Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
