Re: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan, was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight....
From: "Travis Edmunds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "PAT MATHEWS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Notice how we get a different Batman for every decade, and the current one is said to be the best yet. Christian Bale? Who says? -Twavis www.fourthturning.com, the Culture & Values site, "Batban Begins" thread. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan, was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight....
From: "Nick Lidster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion To: "'Killer Bs Discussion'" Subject: RE: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan,was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 16:53:01 -0230 as something that myself and Travis have discussed on more then one occasion. The reinvention of the wheel is not so much needed as the drive train needs to be updated, or the vehicle that it moves needs to be changed. Something that we have discussed has been running 2 separate shows that take place during the same time period about 20yrs post Nemesis. That way you can bring in the aging TNG DS9 and Voyager characters in some roles as admirals or retired SF members and what not. However the show lengths will only be 30mins one show would be based on star fleet academy say "Star Trek: Star Fleet Academy" and would follow the lives of 6 classmates as them go through their training. The other would be based on the Romulan fleet academy and again would follow the lives of 4 class mates and a few instructors. The 2 shows would run in the normal 1h time slot back to back, for approx 4 - 5 seasons. 4 seasons being for their actual school time frame, and season 5 for the first year of their deployment onto a starship or else where. During season 4 1 other new show will be introduced and will be a regular 1h slot and will air every 2weeks. It will build up the story for season 5+, and will be done as an alternating story line where in the off weeks the Romulan show will air. after season 5 and 1 and 2 of the new series. They will conclude in one massive join finale that will set the stage for the next show which will either bring all casts together in a joint operation/adventure, or set them as advisories. I know it would cost a fortune but it would be an amazing way to move startrek ahead and really expand on the Romulan story lines. I have absolutely NO recollection of discussing such things even once! Let alone more than once... -Twavis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan, was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight....
From: "PAT MATHEWS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan,was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 08:48:04 -0600 Notice how we get a different Batman for every decade, and the current one is said to be the best yet. Christian Bale? Who says? -Twavis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan, was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight....
> Nick Lidster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Something that we have discussed has been running 2 > separate shows that take > place during the same time period about 20yrs post > Nemesis. That way you can > bring in the aging TNG DS9 and Voyager characters in > some roles as admirals > or retired SF members and what not. However the show > lengths will only be > 30mins one show would be based on star fleet > academy say "Star Trek: > Star Fleet Academy" and would follow the lives of 6 > classmates as them go through their training... Hey! That's almost exactly what my closest Trek friend and I have discussed! Picard, of course, is advisor to the Academy Equestrian Team as well as teaching other, lesser stuff (OK, she's a fellow horse-lover too)... ;) But it would be a good format. Chakkotay: Guerrilla(sp!!!) tactics Janeway: How to survive without drydock Quark: Bartending for fun and profit Worf: Elementary bat'leth and diplomacy Crusher: Medical ethics in non-human cultures -and so on. Debbi Assistant Professor of Equestrian Therapy Maru:D __ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 09:48 AM Friday 7/1/2005, PAT MATHEWS wrote: Hoo boy! "We, the people of the United States of Backofbeyond" They did that episode. E Plebnista Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan, was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight....
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of PAT MATHEWS Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 12:18 PM To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan,was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight >From: "Travis Edmunds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>I have been hoping for a while that we'd see a darker Federation. We did, in DS-9, which I loved. Apparently, viewers didn't. When TV finally reran it, it was daytimes when I'm in school (Sob) A >>Fed from the perspective of colony worlds who had not joined it, who >>didn't want (necessarily) to join it. Set it in the Kirk era, when >>tensions were at their all-time high. All-time high? I'd call it a Cold War analog. Kirk seemed to be able to zip in and out of trouble with a lot less trouble than, say, Picard and the Borg. >> >>I mean -- OK, so the Federation features high tech, highfalutin >>philosophies and of course lean hardbodied crew. Wouldn't it be >>magnificent to see the story of a world that didn't want to get barcoded >>and look exactly like FedVolken? These people, maybe, have had to eke out >>a living for decades on some barely survivable rock at the farthest fringe >>of almost-forgotten space. They have traded with the Ferengi, the Klingons >>and even the Romulans on more or less even terms, and they've managed over >>the years to develop their own culture and sense of independence. >> >>Along comes some guy in a big shiny vessel with a command shirt and a >>brief to standardize the planet to Fed guidelines. But they don't *want* >>those guidelines. To them the Fed is little different from the Borg. And >>because of strategic position or planetary reserves, the Fed wants them >>badly, but the Ferengi, Klingons and Romulans would all benefit from >>seeing this world retain its non-Federation affiliation. >> >>What happens then? See FIREFLY. Or why I love Firefly. >> >>And suppose these people have access to Fed history (current events?) ... >>and often quote one James Tiberius Kirk regarding the values of >>independence, internal ethics and so forth? Hoo boy! "We, the people of the United States of Backofbeyond" >> >>Use the Trek model to interrogate the values of the Federation, IOW. That >>to me would be interesting, particularly if there was no reset button. >>Wouldn't it be cool to see a Fed captain saying something like, "Prime >>Directive be damned! We MUST have this planet! We WILL have this planet! >>Disable their shield and arm the torpedoes!" "to the sound of thunderous applause from the homeworld." The locals would be labeled "Terrorists". See also "Indian Wars." > >Not tea bag of an idea really (current political parallels aside), but it's >my understanding that fans have already been dealt the dark side of things >with DS9, and by and large want a return to the more quixotical side of >things best exemplified by early TNG and of course the irrepressible and >avant-garde TOS. > >I'll try to dig up some articles on that if I can. > >-Travis > I think Trek has run through the entire cycle of possible events and mindsets at this point, and will either need to reinvent itself well and truly, or wait until we're in a Kirk-ish mood again (along about 2020?) or go quietly to the "Best of the XXth Century" museum. Notice how we get a different Batman for every decade, and the current one is said to be the best yet. We've been getting a different Superman for every decade, too, which isn't working quite as well, but Smallville is excellent. Reinventions that failed miserably include my all-time favorite, Catwoman (Poor Halle Berry, stuck with such a dreadful script and costume!) Pat ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l as something that myself and Travis have discussed on more then one occasion. The reinvention of the wheel is not so much needed as the drive train needs to be updated, or the vehicle that it moves needs to be changed. Something that we have discussed has been running 2 separate shows that take place during the same time period about 20yrs post Nemesis. That way you can bring in the aging TNG DS9 and Voyager characters in some roles as admirals or retired SF members and what not. However the show lengths will only be 30mins one show would be based on star fleet academy say "Star Trek: Star Fleet Academy" and would follow the lives of 6 classmates as them go through their training. The other would be based on the Romulan fleet academy and again would follow the live
Re: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan, was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight....
From: "Travis Edmunds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have been hoping for a while that we'd see a darker Federation. We did, in DS-9, which I loved. Apparently, viewers didn't. When TV finally reran it, it was daytimes when I'm in school (Sob) A Fed from the perspective of colony worlds who had not joined it, who didn't want (necessarily) to join it. Set it in the Kirk era, when tensions were at their all-time high. All-time high? I'd call it a Cold War analog. Kirk seemed to be able to zip in and out of trouble with a lot less trouble than, say, Picard and the Borg. I mean -- OK, so the Federation features high tech, highfalutin philosophies and of course lean hardbodied crew. Wouldn't it be magnificent to see the story of a world that didn't want to get barcoded and look exactly like FedVolken? These people, maybe, have had to eke out a living for decades on some barely survivable rock at the farthest fringe of almost-forgotten space. They have traded with the Ferengi, the Klingons and even the Romulans on more or less even terms, and they've managed over the years to develop their own culture and sense of independence. Along comes some guy in a big shiny vessel with a command shirt and a brief to standardize the planet to Fed guidelines. But they don't *want* those guidelines. To them the Fed is little different from the Borg. And because of strategic position or planetary reserves, the Fed wants them badly, but the Ferengi, Klingons and Romulans would all benefit from seeing this world retain its non-Federation affiliation. What happens then? See FIREFLY. Or why I love Firefly. And suppose these people have access to Fed history (current events?) ... and often quote one James Tiberius Kirk regarding the values of independence, internal ethics and so forth? Hoo boy! "We, the people of the United States of Backofbeyond" Use the Trek model to interrogate the values of the Federation, IOW. That to me would be interesting, particularly if there was no reset button. Wouldn't it be cool to see a Fed captain saying something like, "Prime Directive be damned! We MUST have this planet! We WILL have this planet! Disable their shield and arm the torpedoes!" "to the sound of thunderous applause from the homeworld." The locals would be labeled "Terrorists". See also "Indian Wars." Not tea bag of an idea really (current political parallels aside), but it's my understanding that fans have already been dealt the dark side of things with DS9, and by and large want a return to the more quixotical side of things best exemplified by early TNG and of course the irrepressible and avant-garde TOS. I'll try to dig up some articles on that if I can. -Travis I think Trek has run through the entire cycle of possible events and mindsets at this point, and will either need to reinvent itself well and truly, or wait until we're in a Kirk-ish mood again (along about 2020?) or go quietly to the "Best of the XXth Century" museum. Notice how we get a different Batman for every decade, and the current one is said to be the best yet. We've been getting a different Superman for every decade, too, which isn't working quite as well, but Smallville is excellent. Reinventions that failed miserably include my all-time favorite, Catwoman (Poor Halle Berry, stuck with such a dreadful script and costume!) Pat ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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The stuff I don't get to immediately and then forget about afterwards... From: Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan,was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 19:59:51 -0700 On May 13, 2005, at 7:30 PM, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: "Gary Nunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As most of us know, Star Trek Enterprise signs off tonight with two back to back episodes. ... I wonder what the next incarnation of Star Trek will be? Hard to say. Personally though I'd like to see a jump to the not so distant future. Similar to the TOS - TNG transition in essence; i.e. far enough ahead to evoke the sense of progression for this universe, yet close enough to be easily connected with "present day" Trek a la the conclusion of Voyager. I have been hoping for a while that we'd see a darker Federation. A Fed from the perspective of colony worlds who had not joined it, who didn't want (necessarily) to join it. Set it in the Kirk era, when tensions were at their all-time high. I mean -- OK, so the Federation features high tech, highfalutin philosophies and of course lean hardbodied crew. Wouldn't it be magnificent to see the story of a world that didn't want to get barcoded and look exactly like FedVolken? These people, maybe, have had to eke out a living for decades on some barely survivable rock at the farthest fringe of almost-forgotten space. They have traded with the Ferengi, the Klingons and even the Romulans on more or less even terms, and they've managed over the years to develop their own culture and sense of independence. Along comes some guy in a big shiny vessel with a command shirt and a brief to standardize the planet to Fed guidelines. But they don't *want* those guidelines. To them the Fed is little different from the Borg. And because of strategic position or planetary reserves, the Fed wants them badly, but the Ferengi, Klingons and Romulans would all benefit from seeing this world retain its non-Federation affiliation. What happens then? And suppose these people have access to Fed history (current events?) ... and often quote one James Tiberius Kirk regarding the values of independence, internal ethics and so forth? Use the Trek model to interrogate the values of the Federation, IOW. That to me would be interesting, particularly if there was no reset button. Wouldn't it be cool to see a Fed captain saying something like, "Prime Directive be damned! We MUST have this planet! We WILL have this planet! Disable their shield and arm the torpedoes!" Not tea bag of an idea really (current political parallels aside), but it's my understanding that fans have already been dealt the dark side of things with DS9, and by and large want a return to the more quixotical side of things best exemplified by early TNG and of course the irrepressible and avant-garde TOS. I'll try to dig up some articles on that if I can. -Travis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Edmunds Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 12:01 AM To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan,was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight >From: "Gary Nunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion >To: "'Killer Bs Discussion'" >Subject: Star Trek signs off tonight >Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 18:35:03 -0400 > >As most of us know, Star Trek Enterprise signs off tonight with two back to >back episodes. ... I wonder what the next incarnation of Star Trek will be? Hard to say. Personally though I'd like to see a jump to the not so distant future. Similar to the TOS - TNG transition in essence; i.e. far enough ahead to evoke the sense of progression for this universe, yet close enough to be easily connected with "present day" Trek a la the conclusion of Voyager. -Travis _ The Travis and I have discussed this on many occasions, and a future jump some 50-100 years into the future would be great as Travis said a la voyager. Personally I would not mind something out the back door of the federation... a la mirror universe. You could do a 4-5 season run and start at "first Contact" and complete somewhere near the end of DS9. Yes I know it is around 300-400 years to cover but a lot of that time is spread out under occupation by the alliance so you can cover some human uprisings and such. Do the whole rise and fall of the Terran Empire, its occupation, persucation and the start of its new rise to strength and power with the starting of the New Federation or it "good" mirror self. Nick... good bye T'pol I shall miss you ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On May 13, 2005, at 8:12 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Presumably you would suggest that the planet in question be a former Klingon world whose name rendered into Roman characters looks a little like iRaQ' . . . ? And the captain's name might be, oh, maybe "George" something? Actually no. More appropriate might be a planet named "Mah'b'DEK", a captain named "Al Habb", and a light dreadnought called "Pequod". There's something to the classical in many real-life situations. And that's why the classics remain classic. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress "The Seven-Year Mirror" http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan, was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight....
At 09:59 PM Friday 5/13/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On May 13, 2005, at 7:30 PM, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: "Gary Nunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As most of us know, Star Trek Enterprise signs off tonight with two back to back episodes. ... I wonder what the next incarnation of Star Trek will be? Hard to say. Personally though I'd like to see a jump to the not so distant future. Similar to the TOS - TNG transition in essence; i.e. far enough ahead to evoke the sense of progression for this universe, yet close enough to be easily connected with "present day" Trek a la the conclusion of Voyager. I have been hoping for a while that we'd see a darker Federation. A Fed from the perspective of colony worlds who had not joined it, who didn't want (necessarily) to join it. Set it in the Kirk era, when tensions were at their all-time high. I mean -- OK, so the Federation features high tech, highfalutin philosophies and of course lean hardbodied crew. Wouldn't it be magnificent to see the story of a world that didn't want to get barcoded and look exactly like FedVolken? These people, maybe, have had to eke out a living for decades on some barely survivable rock at the farthest fringe of almost-forgotten space. They have traded with the Ferengi, the Klingons and even the Romulans on more or less even terms, and they've managed over the years to develop their own culture and sense of independence. Along comes some guy in a big shiny vessel with a command shirt and a brief to standardize the planet to Fed guidelines. But they don't *want* those guidelines. To them the Fed is little different from the Borg. And because of strategic position or planetary reserves, the Fed wants them badly, but the Ferengi, Klingons and Romulans would all benefit from seeing this world retain its non-Federation affiliation. What happens then? And suppose these people have access to Fed history (current events?) ... and often quote one James Tiberius Kirk regarding the values of independence, internal ethics and so forth? Use the Trek model to interrogate the values of the Federation, IOW. That to me would be interesting, particularly if there was no reset button. Wouldn't it be cool to see a Fed captain saying something like, "Prime Directive be damned! We MUST have this planet! We WILL have this planet! Disable their shield and arm the torpedoes!" Presumably you would suggest that the planet in question be a former Klingon world whose name rendered into Roman characters looks a little like iRaQ' . . . ? And the captain's name might be, oh, maybe "George" something? Subtle Political Statements Were Always Star Trek's Specialty Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On May 13, 2005, at 7:30 PM, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: "Gary Nunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As most of us know, Star Trek Enterprise signs off tonight with two back to back episodes. ... I wonder what the next incarnation of Star Trek will be? Hard to say. Personally though I'd like to see a jump to the not so distant future. Similar to the TOS - TNG transition in essence; i.e. far enough ahead to evoke the sense of progression for this universe, yet close enough to be easily connected with "present day" Trek a la the conclusion of Voyager. I have been hoping for a while that we'd see a darker Federation. A Fed from the perspective of colony worlds who had not joined it, who didn't want (necessarily) to join it. Set it in the Kirk era, when tensions were at their all-time high. I mean -- OK, so the Federation features high tech, highfalutin philosophies and of course lean hardbodied crew. Wouldn't it be magnificent to see the story of a world that didn't want to get barcoded and look exactly like FedVolken? These people, maybe, have had to eke out a living for decades on some barely survivable rock at the farthest fringe of almost-forgotten space. They have traded with the Ferengi, the Klingons and even the Romulans on more or less even terms, and they've managed over the years to develop their own culture and sense of independence. Along comes some guy in a big shiny vessel with a command shirt and a brief to standardize the planet to Fed guidelines. But they don't *want* those guidelines. To them the Fed is little different from the Borg. And because of strategic position or planetary reserves, the Fed wants them badly, but the Ferengi, Klingons and Romulans would all benefit from seeing this world retain its non-Federation affiliation. What happens then? And suppose these people have access to Fed history (current events?) ... and often quote one James Tiberius Kirk regarding the values of independence, internal ethics and so forth? Use the Trek model to interrogate the values of the Federation, IOW. That to me would be interesting, particularly if there was no reset button. Wouldn't it be cool to see a Fed captain saying something like, "Prime Directive be damned! We MUST have this planet! We WILL have this planet! Disable their shield and arm the torpedoes!" -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress "The Seven-Year Mirror" http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
