RE: RFID clothing
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Lidster Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 5:29 AM To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' Subject: RE: RFID clothing Well if the parents are the problem and the teachers are not the solution then does it fall to the system or the state to fix the problems that are happening? If this is the case then wouldn't technology be better served to a classroom to help maximum efficiency of time for the teacher? RFID technology will not help. RFID tag or not, a kid that doesn't show up, doesn't show up. The tag will only let a computer system know what the teacher has already noticed: an empty seat in the classroom. The tag will not help locate the kid and bring him in, unless you want to cover every square feet of the country with RFID tag readers. But that would be extremely expensive and extremely Big Brother Is Watching You. More time that a teacher has to teach the better, however I do see the point of the matter that one good teacher that can reach the most disenchanted of students is worth more then oil. You don't need RFID tags for that. What you need is to invest heavily in the training of good teachers and make it an attractive occupation. That way you will get more teachers and thus less children per teacher, which will allow teachers to give every child the amount of attention it needs. Don't invest in technology, invest in the people. Children are our future. Good luck to both, you'll need it. :) Lets be realistic the system is broken there Is no fix on the horizon, is the best course till a fix can be found and actually implemented to try and maximize the current system and its flaws. Broken system. No real fix. Live with it. You know, that sounds like Microsoft is running the education system! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: RFID clothing
I cannot think of a single society in human history that has ever been successful for an extended period while insisting on rigid identification and tracking protocols for individuals. It sure as hell didn't work for the USSR, did it? RFID tracking of schoolchildren is a major step into damnation. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://books.nightwares.com/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf http://books.nightwares.com/ockrassa/Storms_on_a_Flat_Placid_Sea.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l well as odd as it may sound I believe that the USSR may have survived much longer and been more communal had the tech existed to allow for tighter control, well a less intrusive control, that was more efficient then the report you neighbor policy, it would have been more of an report yourself policy. As much as we all hate to admit it, the world is turning farther and farther to the left and a strong democratic communist government will arise to take the place of the failing social lagging governments of today. Personally a more direct approach of governing is required where the citizens actually give a damn, and actually vote. This is a little starship trooper style, however it does have merit over all. A social style where citizenship is not a right of birth but a privilege earned through many different avenues. One can live and work and prosper without ever being a citizen, just you cant vote or have a say in what happens to the nation. Where a citizen has direct voting capabilities, their vote counts the same as everyone else's it can happen and I think it would weed out many of the morons that vote because they can and then vote for nut job candidates... it becomes a spoiled ballet, and a waste of everyone's time. nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: RFID clothing
The Fool wrote: Electronic anti-theft devices have been installed in vehicles cars for years -- such as the LoJack, which gained fame during countless TV commercials. Soon, similar technology will be used in the clothes you and your children wear. You wouldn't believe how many people, especially parents, think we should be employing this, with readers in each classroom, throughout the school. They want roll marking done every lesson, and we would struggle to compile the rolls often enough in a day to be aware when a student skipped class. ( As an inner city school, a student who leaves the campus can be up to all kinds of things in a very short time...) We already SMS the parents if a child is absent at the morning roll call, but they want it for each class. (Of course, a shirt stuffed into a mate's pencil case would do the trick nicely...) Cheers Russell C. --- This email (including any attachments) is confidential and copyright. The School makes no warranty about the content of this email. Unless expressly stated, this email does not bind the School and does not necessarily constitute the opinion of the School. If you have received this email in error, please delete it and notify the sender. --- GWAVAsig ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: RFID clothing
On Oct 10, 2005, at 7:09 PM, Russell Chapman wrote: The Fool wrote: Electronic anti-theft devices have been installed in vehicles cars for years -- such as the LoJack, which gained fame during countless TV commercials. Soon, similar technology will be used in the clothes you and your children wear. You wouldn't believe how many people, especially parents, think we should be employing this, with readers in each classroom, throughout the school. They want roll marking done every lesson, and we would struggle to compile the rolls often enough in a day to be aware when a student skipped class. ( As an inner city school, a student who leaves the campus can be up to all kinds of things in a very short time...) We already SMS the parents if a child is absent at the morning roll call, but they want it for each class. (Of course, a shirt stuffed into a mate's pencil case would do the trick nicely...) And this is of course the crux of the problem with RFID. Relying on a machine to do the work that humans are really best at — such as tracking a kid's attendance in school — won't be effective. A single clever student could do as you suggest, show that he had in fact attended every class (the RFID tracker says so!) and, since no one would question The Infallible Record, he'd be more able to get up to no good than in the low-tech days, when a kid who was missing from roll call would be tracked down immediately by human individuals and put under kiddie lockdown. This RFID BS is simply no substitute for actual, human vigilance, and to me the real threat isn't to privacy — it's to *genuine* safety, the safety that can only come when humans don't have — and therefore don't place undue trust in — high-tech solutions to problems that genuinely need close conscious attention. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://books.nightwares.com/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf http://books.nightwares.com/ockrassa/Storms_on_a_Flat_Placid_Sea.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: RFID clothing
Why don't we just snuff the entire debate and put in a thumb scanner at the door of the classroom complete with thumb activated image capture of the individual whose thumb is being scanned, add to that RFID and video IQ to the already growing number of surveillance systems and you now have full spectral coverage of the school environment. Lets be honest it would be somewhat hard to explain why your carrying a severed finger... or where/how you lost yours. Nick 1984 Lidster ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: RFID clothing
On Oct 10, 2005, at 8:11 PM, Nick Lidster wrote: Why don't we just snuff the entire debate and put in a thumb scanner at the door of the classroom complete with thumb activated image capture of the individual whose thumb is being scanned, add to that RFID and video IQ to the already growing number of surveillance systems and you now have full spectral coverage of the school environment. Lets be honest it would be somewhat hard to explain why your carrying a severed finger... or where/how you lost yours. Wrong focus. If a classroom is not an environment wherein each student is individually engaged and encouraged to learn by a teacher — and this means making a human and individual connection with each child that would totally obviate the need for RFID, thumb scanners and all the rest — then it's almost certain that the classroom experience will be a dismal failure. Schools are not meant to be day-care facilities and they are not meant to be maximum-security incarceration institutions. It's pathetic that communities have let them become that. The solution is not to throw technology at the problem; it's to get parents AND teachers involved, together, in the education process as a team. As it is teachers, more and more, are expected to hold the role of parents, and that's simply not their job. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://books.nightwares.com/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf http://books.nightwares.com/ockrassa/Storms_on_a_Flat_Placid_Sea.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: RFID clothing
Wrong focus. If a classroom is not an environment wherein each student is individually engaged and encouraged to learn by a teacher - and this means making a human and individual connection with each child that would totally obviate the need for RFID, thumb scanners and all the rest - then it's almost certain that the classroom experience will be a dismal failure. Schools are not meant to be day-care facilities and they are not meant to be maximum-security incarceration institutions. It's pathetic that communities have let them become that. The solution is not to throw technology at the problem; it's to get parents AND teachers involved, together, in the education process as a team. As it is teachers, more and more, are expected to hold the role of parents, and that's simply not their job. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://books.nightwares.com/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf http://books.nightwares.com/ockrassa/Storms_on_a_Flat_Placid_Sea.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l Well if the parents are the problem and the teachers are not the solution then does it fall to the system or the state to fix the problems that are happening? If this is the case then wouldn't technology be better served to a classroom to help maximum efficiency of time for the teacher? More time that a teacher has to teach the better, however I do see the point of the matter that one good teacher that can reach the most disenchanted of students is worth more then oil. Lets be realistic the system is broken there Is no fix on the horizon, is the best course till a fix can be found and actually implemented to try and maximize the current system and its flaws. I have more then one way to fix the system but it would be hard and would take the full generation for the effects to be fully seen. With the way that government works it might last 3yrs till someone new came to power with a different agenda. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: RFID clothing
On Oct 10, 2005, at 8:28 PM, Nick Lidster wrote: Well if the parents are the problem and the teachers are not the solution then does it fall to the system or the state to fix the problems that are happening? Not in the way proposed by RFID. Forcing parents to be responsible for their offspring is the more prudent choice, because it doesn't unnecessarily burden the innocents — the kids who aren't getting into trouble, or the taxpayers who would have to pay to install RFID detectors. If parents had to spend time in jail when their kids committed crimes, I think we'd see a vast and almost total reduction in juvenile offenses. I have more then one way to fix the system but it would be hard and would take the full generation for the effects to be fully seen. It took generations for the system to degrade. This is not something that can be patched with a quick legislative fiat or two. With the way that government works it might last 3yrs till someone new came to power with a different agenda. And that's part of the problem as well. With RFID accepted tech, someone with a very dark agenda could come along and abuse the tech as he saw fit, turning the US into a place where, if your digital papers are not in order, you can't get anything done. I cannot think of a single society in human history that has ever been successful for an extended period while insisting on rigid identification and tracking protocols for individuals. It sure as hell didn't work for the USSR, did it? RFID tracking of schoolchildren is a major step into damnation. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://books.nightwares.com/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf http://books.nightwares.com/ockrassa/Storms_on_a_Flat_Placid_Sea.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: RFID clothing
The Fool wrote: http://www.physorg.com/news5537.html [snip] The new line of clothing, from Lauren Scott, a division of DST Media Inc., is poised to debut next spring. The clothing, including nightgowns, will be sold at Target stores and will include RFID technologies that parents can place in doorways and windows, which will trigger an alarm if children wearing the tagged clothes travel more than 30 feet. The children's line of nightgowns and pajamas apparently is the first commercial application of RFID in clothing that has debuted so far, but others are expected soon, experts said. OK, if I put the tech in the doorway of my daughter's room, I'm not sure that the laundry will stay within 30 feet of the doorway. (Not quite sure if the bottom of the stairs is more or less than 30 feet from that doorway.) :P And another doorway likely to be used as a child's room in the future is even further from the bottom of the stairs. I'm not interested. And I'm paranoid about enough other things that you'd think I'd be paranoid about abduction -- but I'm not. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
