Re: USA presidential race(ism)
PVt. PV wrote: technically birth place is a common denominator of citizenship and the colonial empire provided limited citizenship to white males at the time of founding the nation --- the ideas of racism in us politics has a richer and greater history. The first president espoused freedom while owning slaves and one of the so-called greatest democratic minds and founder of the Jeffersonian principles laid with the slave women called miss Sally Henson but could not marry her. the unifying principle related to presidential politics is not the place of the birth of the candidates but how well will they serve the powers that control the nation. This was began by those who exeuted one of the greats coups in the history of the world. They happen to be white males bounded by masonic oaths and today the planter class have been replaced by the steel and oil industralist and those who could amply serve the Carnegies and Rockerfellers rose to the positions of president in the most modern nation. the present rise of the American intellectuals the likes of the Clintons, Colin Power, Congolesa Rice, Barack Obama reflect the change in national politics where the powerful intellect is paid to serve the ruling class and bam boozle the middle while the old industrial military machine seek a proper role in the emerging and competing world---So the intellectual off spring has a day in the sun or American politics where racism is still a great selling point in this class society! [Pvt. PV.] -- Original message from Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- John Garcia wrote: technically, the first seven Presidents were born in what was at the time, colonies of the British Empire. the first President to be born after the US became an independent country was Martin Van Buren. John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone to a serving US Navy officer and is considered a natural born citizen. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii after it became a state. until the Constitution is changed to permit naturalized citizens to become President, no one born in Austria will be elected President. What about offspring of someone in the U.S. Foreign Service in Austria working at the U.S. embassy, for example? --[Lance] -- GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: USA presidential race(ism)
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both McCain and Obama were born outside of the continental USA (Panama and Hawaii, respectively). I don't know too much about USA history, but was there any POTUS that was not born in the continental USA? Maybe the next one will be born even outsider (like Austria...) Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l technically, the first seven Presidents were born in what was at the time, colonies of the British Empire. the first President to be born after the US became an independent country was Martin Van Buren. John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone to a serving US Navy officer and is considered a natural born citizen. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii after it became a state. until the Constitution is changed to permit naturalized citizens to become President, no one born in Austria will be elected President. john ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: USA presidential race(ism)
John Garcia wrote: technically, the first seven Presidents were born in what was at the time, colonies of the British Empire. the first President to be born after the US became an independent country was Martin Van Buren. John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone to a serving US Navy officer and is considered a natural born citizen. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii after it became a state. until the Constitution is changed to permit naturalized citizens to become President, no one born in Austria will be elected President. What about offspring of someone in the U.S. Foreign Service in Austria working at the U.S. embassy, for example? --[Lance] -- GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: USA presidential race(ism)
Cue Bruce Springsteenhttp://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:48:18 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: USA presidential race(ism) On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both McCain and Obama were born outside of the continental USA (Panama and Hawaii, respectively). I don't know too much about USA history, but was there any POTUS that was not born in the continental USA? Maybe the next one will be born even outsider (like Austria...) Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l technically, the first seven Presidents were born in what was at the time, colonies of the British Empire. the first President to be born after the US became an independent country was Martin Van Buren. John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone to a serving US Navy officer and is considered a natural born citizen. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii after it became a state. until the Constitution is changed to permit naturalized citizens to become President, no one born in Austria will be elected President. john ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: USA presidential race(ism)
afaik, that person would be just like McCain, considered to be a natural-born citizen. john On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Garcia wrote: technically, the first seven Presidents were born in what was at the time, colonies of the British Empire. the first President to be born after the US became an independent country was Martin Van Buren. John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone to a serving US Navy officer and is considered a natural born citizen. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii after it became a state. until the Constitution is changed to permit naturalized citizens to become President, no one born in Austria will be elected President. What about offspring of someone in the U.S. Foreign Service in Austria working at the U.S. embassy, for example? --[Lance] -- GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: USA presidential race(ism)
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:56 PM, John Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: afaik, that person would be just like McCain, considered to be a natural-born citizen. john On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Garcia wrote: technically, the first seven Presidents were born in what was at the time, colonies of the British Empire. the first President to be born after the US became an independent country was Martin Van Buren. John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone to a serving US Navy officer and is considered a natural born citizen. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii after it became a state. until the Constitution is changed to permit naturalized citizens to become President, no one born in Austria will be elected President. What about offspring of someone in the U.S. Foreign Service in Austria working at the U.S. embassy, for example? --[Lance] -- GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l sorry for the top posting. i found a little more data from www.usconstitution.net, to quote: *Natural-born citizen* Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday? The 14th Amendment http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am14.html defines citizenship this way: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_1401000-.htmldefines the following as people who are citizens of the United States at birth: - Anyone born inside the United States - Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe - Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S. - Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national - Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year - Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21 - Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time) - A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S. Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example. Separate sections handle territories that the United States has acquired over time, such as Puerto Rico (8 USC 1402http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_1402000-.html), Alaska (8 USC 1404http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_1404000-.html), Hawaii (8 USC 1405http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_1405000-.html), the U.S. Virgin Islands (8 USC 1406http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_1406000-.html), and Guam (8 USC 1407http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_1407000-.html). Each of these sections confer citizenship on persons living in these territories as of a certain date, and usually confer natural-born status on persons born in those territories after that date. For example, for Puerto Rico, all persons born in Puerto Rico between April 11, 1899, and January 12, 1941, are automatically conferred citizenship as of the date the law was signed by the President (June 27, 1952). Additionally, all persons born in Puerto Rico on or after January 13, 1941, are natural-born citizens of the United States. Note that because of when the law was passed, for some, the natural-born status was retroactive. The law contains one other section of historical note, concerning the Panama Canal Zone and the nation of Panama. In 8 USC 1403http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_1403000-.html, the law states that anyone born in the Canal Zone or in Panama itself, on or after February 26, 1904, to a mother and/or father who
Re: USA presidential race(ism)
John Garcia quoted: Separate sections handle territories that the United States has acquired over time, Ouch! Too bad, the one I am thinking was born _outside_ the USA, but _almost_ in a area under USA occupation: just look at the maps here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied-administered_Austria ... and there... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thal%2C_Austria Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: USA presidential race(ism)
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Garcia quoted: Separate sections handle territories that the United States has acquired over time, Ouch! Too bad, the one I am thinking was born _outside_ the USA, but _almost_ in a area under USA occupation: just look at the maps here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied-administered_Austria ... and there... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thal%2C_Austria Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l things might have been different if we had kept Austria after ww2 and not given it back. otoh, what would we have done with it? john manifest destiny maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
