RE: trolling for trolls
It seems we have more nattering ninnies! But a new breed, cowardly whiners who only can whine when their victim can't read them! We have known for a while that Brin-L is full of passive-agressives who whine constantly while running sneaky attacks on people behind their backs. In case anyone missed it, David Brin himself pointed it out a while back. Incidentally, this thread is still missing a few countries from the Axis of Eggheads. My threaded email client is ready, and my left middle finger needs something to do! Is this some kind of subtle parody? It seems wildly out of place for Brin-L. Kevin Street -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 5/17/2005 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: trolling for trolls
On May 19, 2005, at 1:26 AM, Kevin Street wrote: Is this some kind of subtle parody? It might very well be. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: trolling for trolls
Incidentally, this thread is still missing a few countries from the Axis of Eggheads. If you are waiting for me to chime in... my momma taught me not to go near wild things that are frothing at the mouth Dee ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: trolling for trolls
At 03:26 AM Thursday 5/19/2005, Kevin Street wrote: Is this some kind of subtle parody? It seems wildly out of place for Brin-L. Because of its subtlety, of course. Not because it is parody. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: trolling for trolls
At 10:23 AM Thursday 5/19/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are waiting for me to chime in... my momma taught me not to go near wild things that are frothing at the mouth Yo momma warn't no dummy! -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: trolling for trolls
On 5/18/05, Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've been asked to ask you to tone it down on personal attacks on-list. If you make many more personal attacks on-list, the probability of your being placed on moderation will be non-zero. But... probabilities that are negative, or greater than 1- simply make no sense! Unpossible! ~Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: trolling for trolls
On 5/19/05, Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 05:52 PM Wednesday 5/18/2005, Nick Arnett wrote: On Wed, 18 May 2005 18:45:15 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote * Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've been asked to ask you to tone it down on personal attacks on-list. If you make many more personal attacks on-list, the probability of your being placed on moderation will be non-zero. Posting a private e-mail to the public list, which I'm fairly certain was done without Julia's permission, is lousy netiquette. On a couple of other lists I am a member of, doing that or its converse (forwarding an on-list message off-list) is grounds for immediate dismissal, regardless of who does it or how long they have been there or how well liked they are. That policy got started a year or two ago when someone (who was lurking under an assumed name, it seems) forwarded out-of-context excerpts from one list member's posts to that list members RL employer, which led to that person being forced into early retirement from the teaching job he had held for several decades. -- Ronn! :) And some people wondered why I use a pseudonym- well, there you go. ~Maru You didn't think this was my real name, did you? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: trolling for trolls
On Wed, 18 May 2005 18:45:15 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote * Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've been asked to ask you to tone it down on personal attacks on-list. If you make many more personal attacks on-list, the probability of your being placed on moderation will be non-zero. Posting a private e-mail to the public list, which I'm fairly certain was done without Julia's permission, is lousy netiquette. Here's another official warning, in public, since you've chosen to make this public -- my perception is that you've made a number of personal attacks lately, which are contrary to our list policies. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: trolling for trolls
At 05:52 PM Wednesday 5/18/2005, Nick Arnett wrote: On Wed, 18 May 2005 18:45:15 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote * Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've been asked to ask you to tone it down on personal attacks on-list. If you make many more personal attacks on-list, the probability of your being placed on moderation will be non-zero. Posting a private e-mail to the public list, which I'm fairly certain was done without Julia's permission, is lousy netiquette. On a couple of other lists I am a member of, doing that or its converse (forwarding an on-list message off-list) is grounds for immediate dismissal, regardless of who does it or how long they have been there or how well liked they are. That policy got started a year or two ago when someone (who was lurking under an assumed name, it seems) forwarded out-of-context excerpts from one list member's posts to that list members RL employer, which led to that person being forced into early retirement from the teaching job he had held for several decades. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: trolling for trolls
On May 18, 2005, at 5:15 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 05:52 PM Wednesday 5/18/2005, Nick Arnett wrote: On Wed, 18 May 2005 18:45:15 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote * Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've been asked to ask you to tone it down on personal attacks on-list. If you make many more personal attacks on-list, the probability of your being placed on moderation will be non-zero. Posting a private e-mail to the public list, which I'm fairly certain was done without Julia's permission, is lousy netiquette. On a couple of other lists I am a member of, doing that or its converse (forwarding an on-list message off-list) is grounds for immediate dismissal, regardless of who does it or how long they have been there or how well liked they are. I had just discussed this kind of abuse in an off-list exchange with a manager of a list that I am on, in which I echoed Ronn!'s experience: there are plenty of lists on which the forwarding of off-list messages without permission is grounds for banning, if not heavy moderation. BUT: before we rush to judgment, I don't think we've heard from either Julia or Erik as to whether she'd given him permission. Also, the list's Etiquette Guidelines http://www.mccmedia.com/brin-l/etiquette.htm do not specifically address this issue, and not everyone has had Ronn!'s experience with other lists that observe it. It may simply be a matter of learning, like not top-posting. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: trolling for trolls
On 19 May 2005, at 1:32 am, Dave Land wrote: On May 18, 2005, at 5:15 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 05:52 PM Wednesday 5/18/2005, Nick Arnett wrote: On Wed, 18 May 2005 18:45:15 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote * Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've been asked to ask you to tone it down on personal attacks on-list. If you make many more personal attacks on-list, the probability of your being placed on moderation will be non-zero. Posting a private e-mail to the public list, which I'm fairly certain was done without Julia's permission, is lousy netiquette. On a couple of other lists I am a member of, doing that or its converse (forwarding an on-list message off-list) is grounds for immediate dismissal, regardless of who does it or how long they have been there or how well liked they are. I had just discussed this kind of abuse in an off-list exchange with a manager of a list that I am on, in which I echoed Ronn!'s experience: there are plenty of lists on which the forwarding of off-list messages without permission is grounds for banning, if not heavy moderation. BUT: before we rush to judgment, I don't think we've heard from either Julia or Erik as to whether she'd given him permission. Also, the list's Etiquette Guidelines http://www.mccmedia.com/brin-l/ etiquette.htm do not specifically address this issue, and not everyone has had Ronn!'s experience with other lists that observe it. It may simply be a matter of learning, like not top-posting. Since it looks like the Julia's message was in her capacity as a list- admin that muddies the waters a bit more it seems to me. Especially since one of the people involved is Nick who is the list owner. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ It is our belief, however, that serious professional users will run out of things they can do with UNIX. - Ken Olsen, President of DEC, 1984. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: trolling for trolls
At 07:32 PM Wednesday 5/18/2005, Dave Land wrote: On May 18, 2005, at 5:15 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 05:52 PM Wednesday 5/18/2005, Nick Arnett wrote: On Wed, 18 May 2005 18:45:15 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote * Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've been asked to ask you to tone it down on personal attacks on-list. If you make many more personal attacks on-list, the probability of your being placed on moderation will be non-zero. Posting a private e-mail to the public list, which I'm fairly certain was done without Julia's permission, is lousy netiquette. On a couple of other lists I am a member of, doing that or its converse (forwarding an on-list message off-list) is grounds for immediate dismissal, regardless of who does it or how long they have been there or how well liked they are. I had just discussed this kind of abuse in an off-list exchange with a manager of a list that I am on, in which I echoed Ronn!'s experience: there are plenty of lists on which the forwarding of off-list messages without permission is grounds for banning, if not heavy moderation. BUT: before we rush to judgment, I don't think we've heard from either Julia or Erik as to whether she'd given him permission. Also, the list's Etiquette Guidelines http://www.mccmedia.com/brin-l/etiquette.htm do not specifically address this issue, and not everyone has had Ronn!'s experience with other lists that observe it. It may simply be a matter of learning, like not top-posting. Just to be clear: I only mentioned the rules of that other list to show that some places it is justifiably considered more than just bad netiquette to do that I am not advocating any change in the list guidelines. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: trolling for trolls
William T Goodall wrote: On 19 May 2005, at 1:32 am, Dave Land wrote: On May 18, 2005, at 5:15 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 05:52 PM Wednesday 5/18/2005, Nick Arnett wrote: On Wed, 18 May 2005 18:45:15 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote * Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've been asked to ask you to tone it down on personal attacks on-list. If you make many more personal attacks on-list, the probability of your being placed on moderation will be non-zero. Posting a private e-mail to the public list, which I'm fairly certain was done without Julia's permission, is lousy netiquette. On a couple of other lists I am a member of, doing that or its converse (forwarding an on-list message off-list) is grounds for immediate dismissal, regardless of who does it or how long they have been there or how well liked they are. I had just discussed this kind of abuse in an off-list exchange with a manager of a list that I am on, in which I echoed Ronn!'s experience: there are plenty of lists on which the forwarding of off-list messages without permission is grounds for banning, if not heavy moderation. BUT: before we rush to judgment, I don't think we've heard from either Julia or Erik as to whether she'd given him permission. Also, the list's Etiquette Guidelines http://www.mccmedia.com/brin-l/ etiquette.htm do not specifically address this issue, and not everyone has had Ronn!'s experience with other lists that observe it. It may simply be a matter of learning, like not top-posting. Since it looks like the Julia's message was in her capacity as a list- admin that muddies the waters a bit more it seems to me. Especially since one of the people involved is Nick who is the list owner. I agree with William. IMO, until there is some policy that specifically says otherwise, anything sent off-list by an admin in an administrative capacity is fair game for the list as a whole. I prefer to send such things off-list, as there is potential for public embarassment of the intended recipient if it's done publicly, but if the recipient wants to make it public, I personally don't have a problem with that. Non-administrative private e-mails, however, are a different matter, and I'd take a dim view of, say, Ronn! posting to the list something Dan M. had sent him off-list without first getting Dan's permission. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
