Re: FW: Possible virus detected - Re: A new type of brain scanner
In a message dated 1/18/2003 10:52:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Heck, I could put up with 10X the error messages if it would mean Bob posting 10X as much. :)You will turn my head young lady. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A new type of brain scanner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/18/2003 11:52:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: '60s vintage TV drama. Ben Casey was an MD. Ever heard of Dr. Kildare? Ben Casey was a neurosurgeon ___ Oops, sorry Doc. In my defense, I've never watched it more than a couple times and haven't seen it at all in... never mind. A long time. Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: FW: Possible virus detected - Re: A new type of brain scanner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/18/2003 10:52:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Heck, I could put up with 10X the error messages if it would mean Bob posting 10X as much. :)You will turn my head young lady. Oooh, when your head turns, can we watch it via MRI real-time? :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A new type of brain scanner
In a message dated 1/19/03 6:17:09 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: '60s vintage TV drama. Ben Casey was an MD. Ever heard of Dr. Kildare? Ben Casey was a neurosurgeon ___ Oops, sorry Doc. In my defense, I've never watched it more than a couple times and haven't seen it at all in... never mind. A long time. Doug Is Doctor in the House available in US video format? I don't give a durn about the dramas The Roger Ramjet takeoffs on Dr. Kildare were pretty good though. William Taylor -- Man Woman Life Death Bunny Rabbit ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: FW: Possible virus detected - Re: A new type of brain scanner
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of J. van Baardwijk ... A quick check reveals that the rejected message was sent by Bob Zimmerman. I suspect that there is some (hidden?) code in his message that the scanner on our mailserver interprets as a possible virus, probably put there by Bob's mailserver. Can you identify which message? I believe that the list server removes all attachments, so it must be something in the message body. I notice that his messages include this header: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by www.mccmedia.com id h0I2J1J07535, which is a bit unusual. BTW, just in case people see my mindef.nl address and the word virus in the error message and think I am trying to attack the list by attempting to send a virus, note that I was the intended *recipient* of the intercepted message, not the *sender*. Makes sense, since you're listed in the To: header. Could you (or anyone else) translate the Dutch, if there's anything helpful there? There does seem to be some sort of anti-virus triggered by Base64 encoding in Mailman's archiving code, so it wouldn't be too surprising to see mindef.nl's virus filter catching the same thing -- although why it does so after the message has already passed through Mailman, I can't quite grasp. Come to think of it, maybe that very header is suggesting to the virus filter that there is a MIME-encoded attachment, even though it isn't really there any more. Hmmm... Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A new type of brain scanner
- Original Message - From: Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 11:04 AM Subject: Re: A new type of brain scanner At 09:25 PM 1/16/03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MR is the tool of choice for studying brain function. In our institution ADHD is a major area of research. The head of this program BJ Casey Okay, I'll ask: So, does the B stand for Ben? The title sequence of Ben Casey is where I learned the symbols for Man, Woman, and Infinity. xponent Geezer Maru rob You are a fluke of the universe. You have no right to be here. And whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: FW: Possible virus detected - Re: A new type of brain scanner
At 08:10 18-01-2003 -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: A quick check reveals that the rejected message was sent by Bob Zimmerman. I suspect that there is some (hidden?) code in his message that the scanner on our mailserver interprets as a possible virus, probably put there by Bob's mailserver. Can you identify which message? Yes. Could you (or anyone else) translate the Dutch, if there's anything helpful there? Yes. Jeroen The Yes-man van Baardwijk This message is copyright 2003 by J. van Baardwijk. No part of this message may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system (including but not limited to archives on the Internet), or transmitted, in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording, or otherwise, without the written permission of the author. Reproduction of this message or parts thereof is permitted for the purpose of replying to this message, either to the author directly or through the Brin-L mailing list. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: FW: Possible virus detected - Re: A new type of brain scanner
- Original Message - From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 1:30 PM Subject: RE: FW: Possible virus detected - Re: A new type of brain scanner This message is copyright 2003 by J. van Baardwijk. No part of this message may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system (including but not limited to archives on the Internet), or transmitted, in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording, or otherwise, without the written permission of the author. Reproduction of this message or parts thereof is permitted for the purpose of replying to this message, either to the author directly or through the Brin-L mailing list. 1 Since archiving is an integral part of the mailing list software, and since the list has been archived for several years without complaints from anyone regarding the archiving, to keep this disclaimer valid, you must quit the list. Archiving is far too firmly established as a list component for your disclaimer to have *any* legal standing in *any* part of the world. 2 Since you have willingly and knowingly participated in an archived mailing list for several years, no court in the world is going to support you. 3 There is no number 3 xponent Reality Check Maru rob You are a fluke of the universe. You have no right to be here. And whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: FW: Possible virus detected - Re: A new type of brain scanner
In a message dated 1/18/2003 11:10:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... A quick check reveals that the rejected message was sent by Bob Zimmerman. I suspect that there is some (hidden?) code in his message that the scanner on our mailserver interprets as a possible virus, probably put there by Bob's mailserver. So what should I do to stop this? My computer is clean as far as I can tell (I ran my antivurs program two days ago). I have been emailing through aol web portal and the messages are getting through. Each message I send produces a response that says that the message had been successfuly accepted ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A new type of brain scanner
In a message dated 1/18/2003 12:04:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 09:25 PM 1/16/03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MR is the tool of choice for studying brain function. In our institution ADHD is a major area of research. The head of this program BJ Casey Okay, I'll ask: So, does the B stand for Ben? That is funny but you are seriously dating yourself. I did that for years but I couldn't make commitment so I broke with myself and haven't spoken to myself for years. But in fact the truth is actually funnier; BJ stands for Betty Jo. She is from Rocky Point North Carolina. She has come a long way since then. She is married to another big time Cognitive Neuroscientist who was recently features on a PBS speial hosted by Robert Alda. Good old girl and brilliant ambtitous scientist rolled into one ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A new type of brain scanner
On 16 Jan 2003 at 21:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/15/2003 10:17:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The intended applications of MEG - as far as I can see from reading two papers on it - are in studying brain conditions rather than individual patients. It's a powerful research tool which may for the first time, for example, map the exact areas of the brain affected by various forms of dyslexia and autism. that detect activity in specific brain areas. So in one session lasting less than an hour one can obtain unbelievable functionally correlated anatomic maps. MEG will never be able to duplicate the fusion of anatomy and function (one variant of MEG is Magnetic Source Imaging in which MEG information is superimposed on anatomic data obtained from MR.) Yes, but the MR data isn't - I believe - real time as the MEG data is. Is that correct? Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A new type of brain scanner
In a message dated 1/16/2003 9:44:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, but the MR data isn't - I believe - real time as the MEG data is. Is that correct? Functional MR data is absolutely real time. When portions of the brain are active there is increased blood flow to that portion of the brain. For reasons that are not clear the blood flow actually excedes the metabolic needs of the brain and therefore there is a relative increase in oxygen in the activitated areas. This oxygen is carried in hemoglobin. Deoxygenated blood contains deoxyhemaglobin which has different magnetic properties than oxyhemaglobin. Thus the tissue in active brain has different magnetic properties than non-active areas (this is called the BOLD effect). The changes in oxygenation are transient and therefore these experiments capture brain activiy. Not only are these effects occuring in real time but basic processing can occur during the experiment allowing for changes in the experiment while it occuring. The anatomic data and diffusion tensor data is acquired over several minutes and the functional data is superimposed on this. Even the anatomic data may! be very quickly acquired. For instance my group has a paper coming out today in the American Journal of Neuroradiology on alterations in brain diffusion in boxers. This is the first objective data to be found that might to be used to determine which boxers are at risk for chronic traumatic brain injury(punk drunk syndrome or dementia pugilistica). The data acquisition for this is less than 4 minutes and the data analysis takes about one minute. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
FW: Possible virus detected - Re: A new type of brain scanner
Anybody here have any idea what this indicates? -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 6:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Possible virus detected - Re: A new type of brain scanner Er is mogelijk een virus gevonden in uw bericht. Uw bericht heeft de geadresseerde niet bereikt. Verwijder s.v.p. geïnfecteerde bijlagen en probeer het opnieuw. * A virus is suspected in your message. The message you send did not reach the destination address. Please remove any infected attachments and try again. Subject: Re: A new type of brain scanner Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:25:00 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: FW: Possible virus detected - Re: A new type of brain scanner
Nick Arnett wrote: Anybody here have any idea what this indicates? That the BrinList Soap Opera goes on? : ) Subject: Possible virus detected - Re: A new type of brain scanner ... A virus is suspected in your message. The message you send did not reach the destination address. Please remove any infected attachments and try again. Subject: Re: A new type of brain scanner Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:25:00 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] One could just email a part of a virus to get this effect. I take it that it never got far, so who knows... ---David ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A new type of brain scanner
In a message dated 1/15/2003 10:17:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The intended applications of MEG - as far as I can see from reading two papers on it - are in studying brain conditions rather than individual patients. It's a powerful research tool which may for the first time, for example, map the exact areas of the brain affected by various forms of dyslexia and autism. Well as to use in individual patients the proponents of MEG do hope that will have direct clinical appplications in disorders where anatomic imaging is insensitive such as post traumatic syndromes dementia and psychosis. The problem is that these are precisely the areas where PET and MRI in particular have already demonstrated exciting new results. With a technique called diffusion tensor imaging (DTI) it possible to produce detailed maps of all white matter tracks in the brain and this data can be combined with functional MR studies that detect activity in specific brain areas. So in one session lasting less than an hour one can obtain unbelievable functionally correlated anatomic maps. MEG will never be able to duplicate the fusion of anatomy and function (one variant of MEG is Magnetic Source Imaging in which MEG information is superimposed on anatomic data obtained from MR.) MR is the tool of choice for studying brain function. In our institution ADHD is a major area of research. The head of this program BJ Casey uses MR exclusively. In reality, the economics of imaging also strongly favor MR.The machines are expensive 1,000,00)and are not used continuously for research. A scanner that can do routine clinical cases can pay for itself and in essence fund research efforts ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A new type of brain scanner
In a message dated 1/14/2003 11:06:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scientists call it M.E.G. short for Magnetoencephalography a scanner capable, unlike any before it, of showing activity in the brain as it happens. Lets not get carried away; MEG (Magneto-Encepholograpy) is similar to EEG - electroencephalograpy but it measures magnetic rather than electrical activity. This makes it possible obtain more accurate spacial information than with EEG. It promises to provide more functional information. But both PET and MR can also provide this information. MEG shows promise but it is unclear what its role will be. Bill Orison, a neuroradiolgist who is I believe chairman of Radiology at U of New Mexico is one of the pioneers in this in this technology ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A new type of brain scanner
On 15 Jan 2003 at 22:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/14/2003 11:06:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scientists call it M.E.G. short for Magnetoencephalography a scanner capable, unlike any before it, of showing activity in the brain as it happens. Lets not get carried away; MEG (Magneto-Encepholograpy) is similar to EEG - electroencephalograpy but it measures magnetic rather than electrical activity. This makes it possible obtain more accurate spacial information than with EEG. It promises to provide more functional information. But both PET and MR can also provide this information. MEG shows promise but it is unclear what its role will be. Bill Orison, a neuroradiolgist who is I believe chairman of Radiology at U of New Mexico is one of the pioneers in this in this technology ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l As you say, EEG is less accurate spatially and apparently the hopes are for far higher real-time resoloutions with MEG. The intended applications of MEG - as far as I can see from reading two papers on it - are in studying brain conditions rather than individual patients. It's a powerful research tool which may for the first time, for example, map the exact areas of the brain affected by various forms of dyslexia and autism. Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
