Re: SPOUTED: Knee-jerk Atheist Spams List With Stories of Christians Gone Bad
On 20 Jun 2005, at 6:58 am, Trent Shipley wrote: And let us now remember the evil done by doctrinaire atheists such as Stalin and Mao. Verily it is not faith in diety or religion that causeth evil, but belief in all master narratives. If thou wouldst do no evil, have not faith, not even faith in no-faith. Stalinism and Maoism are both quasi-religions. == If religion is indeed as hateful as William T Goodall says it is, then the fervent hatred of religion is also just an inverted religion. Anti- religion just manifests religious intolerance in another guise. Hatred without balance, reason, or limit is still hatred no matter how well founded the underlying theory. Indeed, the rational conclusion that religion is harmful has in modern times produced worse harm than religion itself, notably in the wake of the French Revolution and Communism. Why are you discussing what I said when you obviously didn't read it? That's very silly. Furthermore, let us not forget, that from the 1850s to the 1960s or 1970s Marxism was based in (what for the times) were advanced historical and social scholarship. Even today global scholarship benefits from Marxian theory. Communists had and have an irrefutable modernist, rationalist pedigree. Being rational and modern is no guarantee at all against monstrosity. LOL. You probably think Freud is rational too. Newsflash - dressing up religious mumbo-jumbo in pseudo-scientific jargon doesn't make it any better than Dianetics. I'm with Voltaire. Most people NEED religion. Trying to quash religion makes as much sense as trying to repress sexuality. It simply won't work. Humans simply have a spiritual instinct. I see nothing constructive, or even terribly informative, in W.T. Goodall's hate-speech against some ill-defined phenomenon called religion. It's extremely well-defined and utterly loathsome. And if you don't know what the definition is how can you possibly defend it? You don't know what you're defending do you? I'll tell you: foul depraved evil of the worst kind. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Putting an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of keyboards will _not_ result in the greatest work of all time. Just look at Windows. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SPOUTED: Knee-jerk Atheist Spams List With Stories of Christians Gone Bad
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 23:28:29 +0100, William T Goodall wrote I'm fed up reading knee-jerk woolly-minded garbage about how great religion is. I'll just post a few actual facts about what religion is really about. Obscene evil, that's what. Rape, murder, child- abuse, cannibalism, genocide, oppression and hatred. If you post anything *new* to the list (and by new, I mean anything that suggests that you aren't single-minded in your attitude toward religion), please say so in the subject line. I sure won't be expecting it. As I see it, any source of power can and will be abused by people. I don't think that evil done in the name of religion is any more or less offensive than evil done in the name of any other good. Shall we have a diatribe against health care because some doctors and nurses have poisoned their patients? Or because the pharmaceutical industry sells us drugs that are useless or harmful? Or the food industry because of fast food? Food is evil, it makes us fat and clogs our arteries? Anybody who has been on this list has gotten the message that you have a grudge against religion. Say something new about it! In the context of this list, being *boring* is evil! Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voicemail: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SPOUTED: Knee-jerk Atheist Spams List With Stories of Christians Gone Bad
On 20 Jun 2005, at 4:39 pm, Nick Arnett wrote: Anybody who has been on this list has gotten the message that you have a grudge against religion. I don't have a grudge against religion. I just don't like evil, and religion is evil. Say something new about it! What's to say? It was evil yesterday, it's evil today and it'll be evil tomorrow. I'm just keeping things balanced since so many religious apologists keep posting here. In the context of this list, being *boring* is evil! LOL. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons. - Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SPOUTED: Knee-jerk Atheist Spams List With Stories of Christians Gone Bad
On 19 Jun 2005, at 10:55 pm, Dave Land wrote: On Jun 19, 2005, at 5:26 AM, William T Goodall wrote: ... Oh, really? Who cares? LOL. Hiding your head in the sand doesn't make religion any less monstrously evil. I'm fed up reading knee-jerk woolly-minded garbage about how great religion is. I'll just post a few actual facts about what religion is really about. Obscene evil, that's what. Rape, murder, child-abuse, cannibalism, genocide, oppression and hatred. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SPOUTED: Knee-jerk Atheist Spams List With Stories of Christians Gone Bad
- Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 5:28 PM Subject: Re: SPOUTED: Knee-jerk Atheist Spams List With Stories of Christians Gone Bad I'm fed up reading knee-jerk woolly-minded garbage about how great religion is. I'll just post a few actual facts about what religion is really about. Obscene evil, that's what. Rape, murder, child-abuse, cannibalism, genocide, oppression and hatred. Speaking of woolly minded garbage. If you were to count all the man-hours spent by people on this list or even people that you know, I would be willing to bet that not a second was spent on Rape, murder, child-abuse, cannibalism, genocide, and oppression. I'll give you hatred, well..cuz I'm in a giving mood today. I figure that among all the people on the list and the people you know there might have been a little hatred mixed with religion, but not very much if my experience is typical. By the way, we are planning to shear your brain on Tuesday if you can spare the time. G xponent Knitting Condoms For Stupid People Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SPOUTED: Knee-jerk Atheist Spams List With Stories of Christians Gone Bad
- Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 7:34 PM Subject: Re: SPOUTED: Knee-jerk Atheist Spams List With Stories of Christians Gone Bad - Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 5:28 PM Subject: Re: SPOUTED: Knee-jerk Atheist Spams List With Stories of Christians Gone Bad I'm fed up reading knee-jerk woolly-minded garbage about how great religion is. I'll just post a few actual facts about what religion is really about. Obscene evil, that's what. Rape, murder, child-abuse, cannibalism, genocide, oppression and hatred. Speaking of woolly minded garbage. If you were to count all the man-hours spent by people on this list or even people that you know, In pursuit of religious activity I would be willing to bet that not a second was spent on Rape, murder, child-abuse, cannibalism, genocide, and oppression. I'll give you hatred, well..cuz I'm in a giving mood today. I figure that among all the people on the list and the people you know there might have been a little hatred mixed with religion, but not very much if my experience is typical. By the way, we are planning to shear your brain on Tuesday if you can spare the time. G xponent Knitting Condoms For Stupid People Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SPOUTED: Knee-jerk Atheist Spams List With Stories of Christians Gone Bad
And let us now remember the evil done by doctrinaire atheists such as Stalin and Mao. Verily it is not faith in diety or religion that causeth evil, but belief in all master narratives. If thou wouldst do no evil, have not faith, not even faith in no-faith. == If religion is indeed as hateful as William T Goodall says it is, then the fervent hatred of religion is also just an inverted religion. Anti-religion just manifests religious intolerance in another guise. Hatred without balance, reason, or limit is still hatred no matter how well founded the underlying theory. Indeed, the rational conclusion that religion is harmful has in modern times produced worse harm than religion itself, notably in the wake of the French Revolution and Communism. Furthermore, let us not forget, that from the 1850s to the 1960s or 1970s Marxism was based in (what for the times) were advanced historical and social scholarship. Even today global scholarship benefits from Marxian theory. Communists had and have an irrefutable modernist, rationalist pedigree. Being rational and modern is no guarantee at all against monstrosity. I'm with Voltaire. Most people NEED religion. Trying to quash religion makes as much sense as trying to repress sexuality. It simply won't work. Humans simply have a spiritual instinct. I see nothing constructive, or even terribly informative, in W.T. Goodall's hate-speech against some ill-defined phenomenon called religion. On Sunday 2005-06-19 15:28, William T Goodall wrote: On 19 Jun 2005, at 10:55 pm, Dave Land wrote: On Jun 19, 2005, at 5:26 AM, William T Goodall wrote: ... Oh, really? Who cares? LOL. Hiding your head in the sand doesn't make religion any less monstrously evil. I'm fed up reading knee-jerk woolly-minded garbage about how great religion is. I'll just post a few actual facts about what religion is really about. Obscene evil, that's what. Rape, murder, child-abuse, cannibalism, genocide, oppression and hatred. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
