Re: Scouted: Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities

2004-10-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
David wrote:

Maybe it's just me, but this answer strikes me as somehow
missing the point, or trying to be a smart-alek.
That's Alberto. 8^)
Allow me to restate John's question as a request: Please post more 
information or a link to more information.
I'd be interested too, I am having trouble comming up with anything on 
Google given the names you supplied.  I did find a few details about the 
period in a discussion of a movie called Four Days in September about the 
kidnapping of the American ambassador in 1969 by the resistance group MR8 
which was kind of interesting:

http://www.brazzil.com/pages/p24feb98.htm
--
Doug
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RE: Scouted: Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities

2004-10-15 Thread Horn, John
 Behalf Of David Land

  Yes
 
 Maybe it's just me, but this answer strikes me as somehow
 missing the point, or trying to be a smart-alek.

I'd expect that from Alberto.  Actually, a name was all I was really
hoping for.  I wasn't specifically asking for links because I
figured it was bad manners to ask someone else to do a google search
for me.  I was hoping for some links but wasn't going to demand it.

And I appreciate it.  I haven't had a chance to do any google
searching yet but I will.

 - jmh
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Re: Scouted: Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities

2004-10-15 Thread Alberto Monteiro
David Land wrote:

 Yes

 Maybe it's just me, but this answer strikes me as somehow
 missing the point, or trying to be a smart-alek.

:-)

The reason was much less malevolent than that. I was in a hurry.
Same reason why I postponed any reply to the Roman debate,
and that I am not answering the revelant question now :-)

But since it took you _weeks_ to reply, I guess you can wait one or
two days :-P

Alberto Monteiro

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Re: Scouted: Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities

2004-10-15 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Doug Pensinger wrote:

 I'd be interested too, I am having trouble comming up with anything on
 Google given the names you supplied. 

I thought that Sergio Macaco should suffice to find them

 I did find a few details about the
 period in a discussion of a movie called Four Days in September about the
 kidnapping of the American ambassador in 1969 by the resistance group MR8
 which was kind of interesting:

That's an interesting movie, strongly [*] based on real facts. Just for 
the record, this MR8 still exists, and supports both a right-wing politician
in Sao Paulo and _Saddam Hussein_ (!!!).

Alberto Monteiro

[*] some movie characters are the fusion of two or more real characters,
some places were changed, etc.

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RE: Scouted: Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities

2004-10-15 Thread Horn, John
 Behalf Of Alberto Monteiro
 
 But since it took you _weeks_ to reply, I guess you can wait one
or
 two days :-P

Actually, it was me who posted the question, not Dave Land.  But
that's OK.  And yes, I can certainly wait...

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Re: Scouted: Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities

2004-10-15 Thread Dave Land
Senhor Monteiro,
On Oct 15, 2004, at 1:59 PM, Horn, John wrote:
Behalf Of Alberto Monteiro
But since it took you _weeks_ to reply, I guess
you can wait one or two days :-P
Actually, it was me who posted the question, not Dave Land.  But
that's OK.  And yes, I can certainly wait...
That's it, exactly. I was just sticking my nose into other peoples' 
business.

Dave
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RE: Scouted: Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities

2004-10-14 Thread Horn, John
 Behalf Of Alberto Monteiro
  
 Some members of br military during the brazilian dictatorship 
 of 1964-(1980 or 1985 or 1989) had some similar plans - maybe 
 the source was the same. They would explode a huge gas reservoir 
 in Rio downtown, blame the commies, and start a pogrom to kill 
 them all. 
  
 The plan was aborted by the heroic acts of one man. 

This sounds very very interesting and I've been wanting to respond
ever since you originally posted it.  Do you have more information
about this?  Who was the one man?  

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Re: Scouted: Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities

2004-10-14 Thread Alberto Monteiro
John Horn asked:

 Some members of br military during the brazilian dictatorship
 of 1964-(1980 or 1985 or 1989) had some similar plans - maybe
 the source was the same. They would explode a huge gas reservoir
 in Rio downtown, blame the commies, and start a pogrom to kill
 them all.

 The plan was aborted by the heroic acts of one man.

 This sounds very very interesting and I've been wanting to respond
 ever since you originally posted it.  Do you have more information
 about this? 

Yes

 Who was the one man?

Sergio Carvalho, but he was known for his nickname,
Sergio Macaco [Macaco is the Portuguese word for both monkeys
and apes; in his case it was because of physical strength]

Alberto Monteiro

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Re: Scouted: Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities

2004-10-14 Thread David Land
Alberto,
John Horn asked:
Some members of br military during the brazilian dictatorship
of 1964-(1980 or 1985 or 1989) had some similar plans - maybe
the source was the same. They would explode a huge gas reservoir
in Rio downtown, blame the commies, and start a pogrom to kill
them all.
The plan was aborted by the heroic acts of one man.
This sounds very very interesting and I've been wanting to respond
ever since you originally posted it.  Do you have more information
about this? 
Yes
Maybe it's just me, but this answer strikes me as somehow
missing the point, or trying to be a smart-alek.
Allow me to restate John's question as a request: Please post more 
information or a link to more information.

Thanks,
Dave
Pedantic Nonsense Maru
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Re: Scouted: Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities

2004-09-17 Thread Nick Lidster
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:37:09 -0200, Alberto Monteiro
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 Gary Nunn wrote:
 
  I ran across this article from a few months ago and thought that it was
  interesting. Assuming that it is true, it is scary that the US
  Government would even briefly consider such a plan. As much as I
  don't want to believe in conspiracies, it makes one wonder about
  other terrorism in the US in the last few years. Hummm.
   
 Some members of br military during the brazilian dictatorship
 of 1964-(1980 or 1985 or 1989) had some similar plans - maybe
 the source was the same. They would explode a huge gas reservoir
 in Rio downtown, blame the commies, and start a pogrom to kill
 them all.
 
 The plan was aborted by the heroic acts of one man.
 
 Alberto Monteiro 
 
 
 
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hr i cant get the link to work

nick what the? Lidster
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Re: Scouted: Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities

2004-09-14 Thread Alberto Monteiro
 
 
Gary Nunn wrote: 
 
 I ran across this article from a few months ago and thought that it was 
 interesting. Assuming that it is true, it is scary that the US 
 Government would even briefly consider such a plan. As much as I  
 don't want to believe in conspiracies, it makes one wonder about  
 other terrorism in the US in the last few years. Hummm. 
  
Some members of br military during the brazilian dictatorship 
of 1964-(1980 or 1985 or 1989) had some similar plans - maybe 
the source was the same. They would explode a huge gas reservoir 
in Rio downtown, blame the commies, and start a pogrom to kill 
them all. 
 
The plan was aborted by the heroic acts of one man. 
 
Alberto Monteiro 
 
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RE: Scouted: Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities

2004-09-13 Thread Gary Nunn

Upon re-reading the article, I see that it is from November 2001, and
nota few months ago But it is still interesting and a bit
disturbing.


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Nunn
 Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:23 PM
 To: Brin Mail List
 Subject: Scouted: Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities
 
 
 
 I ran across this article from a few months ago and thought 
 that it was interesting. Assuming that it is true, it is 
 scary that the US Government would even briefly consider such 
 a plan. As much as I don't want to believe in conspiracies, 
 it makes one wonder about other terrorism in the US in the 
 last few years. Hummm.
 
 
 
 Friendly Fire
 Book: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to 
 Provoke War With Cuba
 
 By David Ruppe
 
 NEW YORK, May 1 - In the early 1960s, America's top military 
 leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and 
 commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public 
 support for a war against Cuba.
 
 Complete article
 
http://tinyurl.com/12ps




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