Veterans (was Veterens Bushwhacked)
How many veterans on the list? I'll start the count at 1. George A ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Kevin Tarr wrote: > At 09:38 PM 11/14/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > > >So Tom comes out with a rant. Rather than defend the white house you > >disparage him. Perhaps it would be more productive for you to show where > >the story was wrong. It does seem to fit the trend of this administration. > >re; No child left behind (unless it interferes with tax cuts for the > >wealthy - which by the way includes me) > > I didn't know you had kids and an income of $50,000. No, wait my mistake, > that's a credit not a tax cut. Well, your software didn't do a very good job of crediting the person who made that statement, it was Bob Z., and to the best of my knowledge, he probably has an income of at least $50K and he's got a couple of kids. Julia just trying to get things straight ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 09:38 PM 11/14/2003 -0500, you wrote: In a message dated 11/14/2003 6:08:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Out of idle curiosity, do you know _anything_ about > the VA system? > > Are you this contemptuous of everyone else, btw, about > everything, or just about politics? So Tom comes out with a rant. Rather than defend the white house you disparage him. Perhaps it would be more productive for you to show where the story was wrong. It does seem to fit the trend of this administration. re; No child left behind (unless it interferes with tax cuts for the wealthy - which by the way includes me) I didn't know you had kids and an income of $50,000. No, wait my mistake, that's a credit not a tax cut. Kevin T. - VRWC No single childless adults left behind ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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In a message dated 11/14/2003 6:08:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Out of idle curiosity, do you know _anything_ about > the VA system? > > Are you this contemptuous of everyone else, btw, about > everything, or just about politics? So Tom comes out with a rant. Rather than defend the white house you disparage him. Perhaps it would be more productive for you to show where the story was wrong. It does seem to fit the trend of this administration. re; No child left behind (unless it interferes with tax cuts for the wealthy - which by the way includes me) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Out of idle curiosity, do you know _anything_ > about > > the VA system? > > I don't know much about what it is now, but the > feeling that I've had is > that it was the hospital system vets could go to if > they were really really > desperate. After WWII, my mom worked there, and she > told stories about a > favorite lobotomy patient. He use to be "the > crackerjack of his outfit," > but had tremendous readjustment problems, so they > gave him a lobotomy to > make him harmless. > Dan M. The reason I ask is that the VA system is, legendarily, perhaps the most inefficient (and, given what it actually achieves, overfunded) part of the government. Any attempts to do _anything_ with it are, of course, met with the claim that the President is betraying our veterans. So it just gets left alone. The end result is that it's a disaster. If Bush is trying to do something about it - and I can't evaluate his plan - then that's, at least in the abstract, quite impressive. The VA system is probably the #1 target of "good government" reformers, and I wouldn't have guessed that Bush was willing to spend the political capital to reform it. = Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Freedom is not free" http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Veterens Bushwhacked > Out of idle curiosity, do you know _anything_ about > the VA system? I don't know much about what it is now, but the feeling that I've had is that it was the hospital system vets could go to if they were really really desperate. After WWII, my mom worked there, and she told stories about a favorite lobotomy patient. He use to be "the crackerjack of his outfit," but had tremendous readjustment problems, so they gave him a lobotomy to make him harmless. My uncle, after he lost part of his leg, lived there for a year or so before he died. I know my father did not want to have to end up in a vets hospital. I know you didn't ask me, but your questions brought back memories. They are not a systematic analysis, and I have no way of verifying how well these stories reflect the system as a whole. Obviously lobotomies are not being done now, they were part of the mental health profession at the time, and not limited to vets hospitals, IIRC. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What do you expect from these scumbags in the White > House? They announce > nice-sounding proposals and reap the benefit from > people who want to believe that > their (in this case not really) elected officials > are on the side of the > angels. Then, after getting good press for their > announcement - and after the press > has turned its attention elsehwere - they quietly do > nothing (at best; the > exact opposite of what they announced, at worst). > Then, whenever anyone points > this out, someone who desperately wants to continue > to delude himself that the > Bushitters are not cynical lying scum, bleats that > they should still get the > credit for meaning well. But the list of broken > promises is staggering: > Afghanistan, the environment, veterans, schools, > international AIDS funding - all > impressive sounding initiatives, all left to rot and > vanish - how long can they > get away with this cynical manipulation? > > Tom Beck Out of idle curiosity, do you know _anything_ about the VA system? Are you this contemptuous of everyone else, btw, about everything, or just about politics? = Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Freedom is not free" http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Veterens Bushwhacked
What do you expect from these scumbags in the White House? They announce nice-sounding proposals and reap the benefit from people who want to believe that their (in this case not really) elected officials are on the side of the angels. Then, after getting good press for their announcement - and after the press has turned its attention elsehwere - they quietly do nothing (at best; the exact opposite of what they announced, at worst). Then, whenever anyone points this out, someone who desperately wants to continue to delude himself that the Bushitters are not cynical lying scum, bleats that they should still get the credit for meaning well. But the list of broken promises is staggering: Afghanistan, the environment, veterans, schools, international AIDS funding - all impressive sounding initiatives, all left to rot and vanish - how long can they get away with this cynical manipulation? Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org "I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last." - Dr Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Veterens Bushwhacked
http://www.misleader.org/daily_mislead/Read.asp?fn=df11102003.html President Bush's Stated Commitment to Veterans Not Reflected in Budget President Bush often emphasizes his commitment to veterans, saying in 2001, "My administration understands America's obligations not only go to those who wear the uniform today, but to those who wore the uniform in the past: to our veterans."1 But the 200,000 veterans waiting six months or more for their first appointment at a VA facility would be denied access to VA health care under Bush's plan. Others would be charged $250 annual enrollment fees, doubled prescription costs and increased co-payments.2 The same day the President met with wounded soldiers and said that America "should and must provide the best care for anybody who is willing to put their life in harm's way,"3 the Veterans' Administration explained that it could solve the backlog problem by limiting enrollment. "VA would avoid very significant additional medical benefits costs and begin to bring demand in line with capacity, which will reduce the number of veterans on wait lists."4 The administration would also reduce costs by denying access to "better-off"5 veterans - those who do not have service-related disabilities and with incomes as low as $21,050.6 Estimates suggest this would likely more than triple the number of veterans denied health care by FY 2005 to more than half a million7, and the VA anticipates that 55%8 of veterans who already participate in the VA health care plan, numbering 1.25 million, may be unable to continue participation due to the enrollment fee.9 Congress has called for $1.8 billion beyond what the administration requested for FY 2004 funding beyond the White House request.10 While funding for VA 2004 remains unresolved, Congress sought to include $1.3 billion in veterans' health care and extending reservists benefits who have been called up in the $87 billion emergency funding bill. The administration "strongly opposed" the provisions, articulated in a letter from White House Budget Director Joshua Bolten, which were later stripped.11 -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
