Re: When BatLeths Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Have BatLeths

[dcaa]

I was corrected sometime ago; the correct spelling is pollaxe, not poleaxe. 
Just clearing things up.

Damon.

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RE: When BatLeths Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Have BatLeths

[Horn, John]

> On Behalf Of maru dubshinki
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:06 AM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: When BatLeths Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will 
> Have BatLeths
> 
> On 5/31/06, Horn, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Behalf Of Damon Agretto
> > >
> > > You guys and your swords. I'll take a pollaxe...
> >
> > Never bring a sword, batleth or a poleaxe to a gunfight!
> >
> I think you meant never bring the weapon of public opinion (a 
> pollaxe) to a knife fight.

I might have been thinking of a polecat, actually...

They never work well in a gunfight!

  - jmh
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Re: When BatLeths Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Have BatLeths

[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 01:05 AM Thursday 6/8/2006, maru dubshinki wrote:

On 5/31/06, Horn, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Behalf Of Damon Agretto
>
> You guys and your swords. I'll take a pollaxe...

Never bring a sword, batleth or a poleaxe to a gunfight!

 - jmh


I think you meant never bring the weapon of public opinion (a pollaxe)
to a knife fight.

~maru
Of course, one should never bring a gun to a political fight either...



I think it's a bit late in the day to point that out to Messers. Burr 
and Hamilton . . .



--Ronn!  :)

"Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country 
and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER 
GOD.  Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that 
would be eliminated from schools too?"

   -- Red Skelton

(Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.)




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Re: When BatLeths Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Have BatLeths

[maru dubshinki]

On 5/31/06, Horn, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Behalf Of Damon Agretto
>
> You guys and your swords. I'll take a pollaxe...

Never bring a sword, batleth or a poleaxe to a gunfight!

 - jmh


I think you meant never bring the weapon of public opinion (a pollaxe)
to a knife fight.

~maru
Of course, one should never bring a gun to a political fight either...
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Re: When BatLeths Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Have BatLeths

[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 04:17 PM Friday 6/2/2006, Dave Land wrote:

On Jun 2, 2006, at 12:12 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:


At 09:07 PM Thursday 6/1/2006, Bryon Daly wrote:

On 5/31/06, Horn, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> On Behalf Of Damon Agretto
>
> You guys and your swords. I'll take a pollaxe...

Never bring a sword, batleth or a poleaxe to a gunfight!


Amazingly, this guy did OK for himself with a pocket knife vs 4
attackers
with a shotgun and pistol:
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/ 0530marine.html


Without even reading the story, I suspect that the last word
(before.html) in the URL is the key . . .


Absolutely -- it all depends on whether the guy(s) with the gun(s) are
experienced with and prepared to use it (them), and whether the guy
with the (knife/batleth/poleaxe) has sufficient experience with and
willingness to use it. If the knife-wielder is cool-headed and quick
enough to inflict serious pain or scary-enough-looking wounds and the
gun-holder is inexperienced or afraid or unwilling to actually use it
before he gets cut or stabbed, the battle will go to the "lesser"
weapon.

Not that I would bet on it. I declined the chance to take a hand-vs-gun
class through my martial-arts school recently because I didn't think
that the likelihood that I will be in a position to have to disarm
someone was worth the $150 or so fee, but the idea is that with the
right training and the ability to maintain composure under extreme
stress, no weapon at all is strictly required.




My guess (for all it's worth) is that in their prior robberies all 
the "gang" had to do was "brandish" the shotgun and the chosen victim 
cooperated, and they weren't used to a victim who resisted, 
particularly a former Marine who was obviously trained in 
hand-to-hand combat . . . ("Oops!")





When lethal punches are outlawed, only outlaws will have lethal punches.




How about three-hole punches?


--Ronn!  :)

"Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country 
and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER 
GOD.  Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that 
would be eliminated from schools too?"

   -- Red Skelton

(Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.)




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Re: When BatLeths Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Have BatLeths

[Dave Land]

On Jun 2, 2006, at 12:12 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:


At 09:07 PM Thursday 6/1/2006, Bryon Daly wrote:

On 5/31/06, Horn, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> On Behalf Of Damon Agretto
>
> You guys and your swords. I'll take a pollaxe...

Never bring a sword, batleth or a poleaxe to a gunfight!


Amazingly, this guy did OK for himself with a pocket knife vs 4  
attackers

with a shotgun and pistol:
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/ 
0530marine.html


Without even reading the story, I suspect that the last word  
(before.html) in the URL is the key . . .


Absolutely -- it all depends on whether the guy(s) with the gun(s) are
experienced with and prepared to use it (them), and whether the guy
with the (knife/batleth/poleaxe) has sufficient experience with and
willingness to use it. If the knife-wielder is cool-headed and quick
enough to inflict serious pain or scary-enough-looking wounds and the
gun-holder is inexperienced or afraid or unwilling to actually use it
before he gets cut or stabbed, the battle will go to the "lesser"
weapon.

Not that I would bet on it. I declined the chance to take a hand-vs-gun
class through my martial-arts school recently because I didn't think
that the likelihood that I will be in a position to have to disarm
someone was worth the $150 or so fee, but the idea is that with the
right training and the ability to maintain composure under extreme
stress, no weapon at all is strictly required.

When lethal punches are outlawed, only outlaws will have lethal punches.

Dave

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Re: When BatLeths Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Have BatLeths

[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 09:07 PM Thursday 6/1/2006, Bryon Daly wrote:

On 5/31/06, Horn, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> On Behalf Of Damon Agretto
>
> You guys and your swords. I'll take a pollaxe...

Never bring a sword, batleth or a poleaxe to a gunfight!



Amazingly, this guy did OK for himself with a pocket knife vs 4 attackers
with a shotgun and pistol:
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/0530marine.html



Without even reading the story, I suspect that the last word 
(before.html) in the URL is the key . . .



--Ronn!  :)

"Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country 
and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER 
GOD.  Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that 
would be eliminated from schools too?"

   -- Red Skelton

(Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.)




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Re: When BatLeths Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Have BatLeths

[Bryon Daly]

On 5/31/06, Horn, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> On Behalf Of Damon Agretto
>
> You guys and your swords. I'll take a pollaxe...

Never bring a sword, batleth or a poleaxe to a gunfight!



Amazingly, this guy did OK for himself with a pocket knife vs 4 attackers
with a shotgun and pistol:
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/0530marine.html
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Re: When BatLeths Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Have BatLeths

[Andrew Crystall]

On 31 May 2006 at 8:40, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:

> How would you rate your chances with a regular sword versus someone 
> with a batleth who was in practice with it?  Or, IOW, is a batleth in 
> the right hands likely to be superior or inferior to a garden-variety 
> pig-sticker which may be easier to obtain and learn to use?

Someone who can use a staff properly would quite likely beat the 
BatLeth wielder silly. Heck, you can beat arround people with blades 
who don't know how to use them. And a "walking stick" ain't illegal 
:)

Andy
Dawn Falcon

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Re: When BatLeths Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Have BatLeths

[Matt Grimaldi]

- Original Message 
From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
At 09:04 PM Tuesday 5/30/2006, Julia Thompson wrote:
>David Hobby wrote:
>>Julia Thompson wrote:
>>>David Hobby wrote:
>>...
>>"BatLeth" meant nothing to me, and it's not clear the thing is a
>>very useful weapon.

Let me elaborate:  The thing is big and clumsy, but doesn't even
have any reach to make up for that.  It's probably a bit better
than a quarterstaff, though, since it does have sharp parts.
>>>
>>>If you hold it right (and CAN hold it right, it takes practice!), 
>>>you can get a little reach out of it.  I could hurt someone at 3' 
>>>easily enough IF I were in good practice with it.  Which I'm not, 
>>>and which is very low on my priority list at the moment.  (I think 
>>>it's lower on my list than firespinning, which is fairly low.)
>>Julia--
>>Sure, 3 feet (90 cm) I believe.  But how much does
>>it weigh?  If I just had a normal 3 foot sword, I'd
>>be faster, and speed does matter...
>> ---David
>>Considering wearing a metal gauntlet, so I can grab
>>one (sharp) end, and increase the reach.
>
>Oh, it's pretty darned heavy, even made out of aircraft aluminum.
>
>I could do a lot better just picking up a sword at random than 
>picking it up.  But I could inflict some pretty serious pain from 
>about a foot closer than my farthest sword distance IF I were in practice.  IF.


]How would you rate your chances with a regular sword versus someone
]with a batleth who was in practice with it?  Or, IOW, is a batleth in
]the right hands likely to be superior or inferior to a garden-variety
]pig-sticker which may be easier to obtain and learn to use?
]
]
]--Ronn!  :)

A skilled fighter using a crappy weapon vs. a novice using a good one
would probably win, assuming the differences between their weapons
was not too great.  (A revolver, for example, is too good a weapon for
the skilled fighter to reliably overcome).  This assumes some kind of 
one-on-one combat, however.  If this is some kind of mass battle,
much of one's survival depends on not being in the wrong place at
the wrong time.  The batleth is close enough, being in the same class
of weapons, that a big difference in skill would be the deciding factor.


I'd like to add some more to David's analysis:

First, we have to assume that the sword and batleth are constructed
of similar material and are sharpened to equivalent edges and points.

The biggest difference is that sword has a single handle at one end,
with its point at the other, and an edge along some or all of the blade,
and some kind of guard to protect the user's hand from other blade
weapons sliding along the sword to its hilt.  It is a one-handed weapon,
unless you get a really long and/or heavy sword, at which point it requires
two hands to be effective.

The batleth has 3 handles on one side of the weapon, in the center and
about 1/3 the length to either side of center.  It has 2 points on either end,
and an edge between/around the points.  It is a two-handed.

The sword can reach farther (all of its length is used to add to its users
reach) with its point and edge than the batleth can, and be more
comfortable to the user while doing so.  Also, having the off-hand free
means that he user can hold a shield or knife for defense (the knife
should have a hand-guard and can parry thrusted blades) or 
another sword if he wants to be particularly flashy, but that requires
considerable training to be effective.

The Batleth cannot reach very far (slightly farther than a big knife) when
used two-handed, and seems a bit awkward to be used one-handed.
But it can defend well against some attacks, as the blade is curved
and the user can use both arms and even set his entire body to resist the force
of a swung attack.  Against thrusting attacks, it is less useful, as it has to 
engage
the thrust blade early enough to parry.  The curved, double points can be used
to catch other weapons or even polearms, however, and then twisted in such a
way to to possibly break and/or bend light-weight weapons.  In close combat,
this weapon has some potential that swords lack, but at that point it has to be
compared to knives, which are much smaller and lighter.


-- Matt





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[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 09:45 AM Wednesday 5/31/2006, Julia Thompson wrote:

Ronn!Blankenship wrote:

At 09:04 PM Tuesday 5/30/2006, Julia Thompson wrote:

David Hobby wrote:

Julia Thompson wrote:

David Hobby wrote:

...

"BatLeth" meant nothing to me, and it's not clear the thing is a
very useful weapon.


Let me elaborate:  The thing is big and clumsy, but doesn't even
have any reach to make up for that.  It's probably a bit better
than a quarterstaff, though, since it does have sharp parts.


If you hold it right (and CAN hold it right, it takes 
practice!), you can get a little reach out of it.  I could hurt 
someone at 3' easily enough IF I were in good practice with 
it.  Which I'm not, and which is very low on my priority list at 
the moment.  (I think it's lower on my list than firespinning, 
which is fairly low.)

Julia--
Sure, 3 feet (90 cm) I believe.  But how much does
it weigh?  If I just had a normal 3 foot sword, I'd
be faster, and speed does matter...
---David
Considering wearing a metal gauntlet, so I can grab
one (sharp) end, and increase the reach.


Oh, it's pretty darned heavy, even made out of aircraft aluminum.

I could do a lot better just picking up a sword at random than 
picking it up.  But I could inflict some pretty serious pain from 
about a foot closer than my farthest sword distance IF I were in practice.  IF.


How would you rate your chances with a regular sword versus someone 
with a batleth who was in practice with it?  Or, IOW, is a batleth 
in the right hands likely to be superior or inferior to a 
garden-variety pig-sticker which may be easier to obtain and learn to use?


The batleth would certainly have the "oh, no, he's crazy!" factor 
going for it.  :)  Not sure of much beyond that.  For most folks, a 
pig-sticker is probably the way to go.



Or, as I and others have pointed out several times, something that 
shoots . . .



--Ronn!  :)

"Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country 
and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER 
GOD.  Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that 
would be eliminated from schools too?"

   -- Red Skelton

(Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.)




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Re: When BatLeths Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Have BatLeths

[Julia Thompson]

Ronn!Blankenship wrote:

At 09:04 PM Tuesday 5/30/2006, Julia Thompson wrote:

David Hobby wrote:

Julia Thompson wrote:

David Hobby wrote:

...

"BatLeth" meant nothing to me, and it's not clear the thing is a
very useful weapon.


Let me elaborate:  The thing is big and clumsy, but doesn't even
have any reach to make up for that.  It's probably a bit better
than a quarterstaff, though, since it does have sharp parts.


If you hold it right (and CAN hold it right, it takes practice!), 
you can get a little reach out of it.  I could hurt someone at 3' 
easily enough IF I were in good practice with it.  Which I'm not, 
and which is very low on my priority list at the moment.  (I think 
it's lower on my list than firespinning, which is fairly low.)

Julia--
Sure, 3 feet (90 cm) I believe.  But how much does
it weigh?  If I just had a normal 3 foot sword, I'd
be faster, and speed does matter...
---David
Considering wearing a metal gauntlet, so I can grab
one (sharp) end, and increase the reach.


Oh, it's pretty darned heavy, even made out of aircraft aluminum.

I could do a lot better just picking up a sword at random than picking 
it up.  But I could inflict some pretty serious pain from about a foot 
closer than my farthest sword distance IF I were in practice.  IF.



How would you rate your chances with a regular sword versus someone with 
a batleth who was in practice with it?  Or, IOW, is a batleth in the 
right hands likely to be superior or inferior to a garden-variety 
pig-sticker which may be easier to obtain and learn to use?


The batleth would certainly have the "oh, no, he's crazy!" factor going 
for it.  :)  Not sure of much beyond that.  For most folks, a 
pig-sticker is probably the way to go.


Julia

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[Julia Thompson]

Ronn!Blankenship wrote:

At 09:49 AM Tuesday 5/30/2006, Julia Thompson wrote:

David Hobby wrote:

Ronn!Blankenship wrote:

At 08:36 PM Sunday 5/28/2006, David Hobby wrote:

Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Apparently that day is here: 
<>


"BatLeth" meant nothing to me, and it's not clear the thing is a
very useful weapon.

Let me elaborate:  The thing is big and clumsy, but doesn't even
have any reach to make up for that.  It's probably a bit better
than a quarterstaff, though, since it does have sharp parts.




And if as in this case you are trying to make the argument, "People 
mustn't play with things with sharp points," raiding someone's house and 
confiscating one makes it look like you are doing something.  Not that 
I've heard of anyone committing a mugging or robbing a convenience store 
armed with a batleth.  And it would be hard to see how it could violate 
any concealed carry laws . . .




If you hold it right (and CAN hold it right, it takes practice!), you 
can get a little reach out of it.  I could hurt someone at 3' easily 
enough IF I were in good practice with it.




So I'm okay as long as I stay 7' from you and carry a phaser.  Or a .357 
Magnum . . .


Yup.  :)

Julia
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[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 08:48 AM Wednesday 5/31/2006, Horn, John wrote:

> On Behalf Of Damon Agretto
>
> You guys and your swords. I'll take a pollaxe...

Never bring a sword, batleth or a poleaxe to a gunfight!



Don't bring an old battleax to a drive-in movie, either . . .


--Ronn!  :)

"Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country 
and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER 
GOD.  Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that 
would be eliminated from schools too?"

   -- Red Skelton

(Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.)




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[Horn, John]

> On Behalf Of Damon Agretto
> 
> You guys and your swords. I'll take a pollaxe...

Never bring a sword, batleth or a poleaxe to a gunfight!

 - jmh

Bang Bang Maru
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[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 09:04 PM Tuesday 5/30/2006, Julia Thompson wrote:

David Hobby wrote:

Julia Thompson wrote:

David Hobby wrote:

...

"BatLeth" meant nothing to me, and it's not clear the thing is a
very useful weapon.


Let me elaborate:  The thing is big and clumsy, but doesn't even
have any reach to make up for that.  It's probably a bit better
than a quarterstaff, though, since it does have sharp parts.


If you hold it right (and CAN hold it right, it takes practice!), 
you can get a little reach out of it.  I could hurt someone at 3' 
easily enough IF I were in good practice with it.  Which I'm not, 
and which is very low on my priority list at the moment.  (I think 
it's lower on my list than firespinning, which is fairly low.)

Julia--
Sure, 3 feet (90 cm) I believe.  But how much does
it weigh?  If I just had a normal 3 foot sword, I'd
be faster, and speed does matter...
---David
Considering wearing a metal gauntlet, so I can grab
one (sharp) end, and increase the reach.


Oh, it's pretty darned heavy, even made out of aircraft aluminum.

I could do a lot better just picking up a sword at random than 
picking it up.  But I could inflict some pretty serious pain from 
about a foot closer than my farthest sword distance IF I were in practice.  IF.



How would you rate your chances with a regular sword versus someone 
with a batleth who was in practice with it?  Or, IOW, is a batleth in 
the right hands likely to be superior or inferior to a garden-variety 
pig-sticker which may be easier to obtain and learn to use?



--Ronn!  :)

"Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country 
and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER 
GOD.  Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that 
would be eliminated from schools too?"

   -- Red Skelton

(Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.)




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[Julia Thompson]

David Hobby wrote:

Julia Thompson wrote:
...

Julia--

Sure, 3 feet (90 cm) I believe.  But how much does
it weigh?  If I just had a normal 3 foot sword, I'd
be faster, and speed does matter...

---David

Considering wearing a metal gauntlet, so I can grab
one (sharp) end, and increase the reach.


Oh, it's pretty darned heavy, even made out of aircraft aluminum.

I could do a lot better just picking up a sword at random than picking 
it up.  But I could inflict some pretty serious pain from about a foot 
closer than my farthest sword distance IF I were in practice.  IF.


Julia--  Aluminum?  So it's lighter than it looks--
good.

And the British police are proud of confiscating one?
(No comment.)


The one we have is aluminum.  I don't know about the one they confiscated.

Our aluminum one is still fairly heavy.  It was made by someone in 
Texas; we got it at Aggiecon one year.  I have a friend who has made a 
couple working with the guy who made ours.


Julia



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[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 09:49 AM Tuesday 5/30/2006, Julia Thompson wrote:

David Hobby wrote:

Ronn!Blankenship wrote:

At 08:36 PM Sunday 5/28/2006, David Hobby wrote:

Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Apparently that day is here: 
<>


"BatLeth" meant nothing to me, and it's not clear the thing is a
very useful weapon.

Let me elaborate:  The thing is big and clumsy, but doesn't even
have any reach to make up for that.  It's probably a bit better
than a quarterstaff, though, since it does have sharp parts.




And if as in this case you are trying to make the argument, "People 
mustn't play with things with sharp points," raiding someone's house 
and confiscating one makes it look like you are doing something.  Not 
that I've heard of anyone committing a mugging or robbing a 
convenience store armed with a batleth.  And it would be hard to see 
how it could violate any concealed carry laws . . .




If you hold it right (and CAN hold it right, it takes practice!), 
you can get a little reach out of it.  I could hurt someone at 3' 
easily enough IF I were in good practice with it.




So I'm okay as long as I stay 7' from you and carry a phaser.  Or a 
.357 Magnum . . .



--Ronn!  :)

"Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country 
and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER 
GOD.  Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that 
would be eliminated from schools too?"

   -- Red Skelton

(Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.)




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Re: When BatLeths Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Have BatLeths

[Doug Pensinger]

Damon wrote:


You guys and your swords. I'll take a pollaxe...


Or a revolver like Harrison Ford...

--
Doug
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[Damon Agretto]

You guys and your swords. I'll take a pollaxe...

Damon.


Damon Agretto
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Re: When BatLeths Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Have BatLeths

[David Hobby]

Julia Thompson wrote:
...

Julia--

Sure, 3 feet (90 cm) I believe.  But how much does
it weigh?  If I just had a normal 3 foot sword, I'd
be faster, and speed does matter...

---David

Considering wearing a metal gauntlet, so I can grab
one (sharp) end, and increase the reach.


Oh, it's pretty darned heavy, even made out of aircraft aluminum.

I could do a lot better just picking up a sword at random than picking 
it up.  But I could inflict some pretty serious pain from about a foot 
closer than my farthest sword distance IF I were in practice.  IF.


Julia--  Aluminum?  So it's lighter than it looks--
good.

And the British police are proud of confiscating one?
(No comment.)

---David


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[Julia Thompson]

David Hobby wrote:

Julia Thompson wrote:

David Hobby wrote:

...

"BatLeth" meant nothing to me, and it's not clear the thing is a
very useful weapon.


Let me elaborate:  The thing is big and clumsy, but doesn't even
have any reach to make up for that.  It's probably a bit better
than a quarterstaff, though, since it does have sharp parts.


If you hold it right (and CAN hold it right, it takes practice!), you 
can get a little reach out of it.  I could hurt someone at 3' easily 
enough IF I were in good practice with it.  Which I'm not, and which 
is very low on my priority list at the moment.  (I think it's lower on 
my list than firespinning, which is fairly low.)


Julia--

Sure, 3 feet (90 cm) I believe.  But how much does
it weigh?  If I just had a normal 3 foot sword, I'd
be faster, and speed does matter...

---David

Considering wearing a metal gauntlet, so I can grab
one (sharp) end, and increase the reach.


Oh, it's pretty darned heavy, even made out of aircraft aluminum.

I could do a lot better just picking up a sword at random than picking 
it up.  But I could inflict some pretty serious pain from about a foot 
closer than my farthest sword distance IF I were in practice.  IF.


Julia
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[David Hobby]

Julia Thompson wrote:

David Hobby wrote:

...

"BatLeth" meant nothing to me, and it's not clear the thing is a
very useful weapon.


Let me elaborate:  The thing is big and clumsy, but doesn't even
have any reach to make up for that.  It's probably a bit better
than a quarterstaff, though, since it does have sharp parts.


If you hold it right (and CAN hold it right, it takes practice!), you 
can get a little reach out of it.  I could hurt someone at 3' easily 
enough IF I were in good practice with it.  Which I'm not, and which is 
very low on my priority list at the moment.  (I think it's lower on my 
list than firespinning, which is fairly low.)


Julia--

Sure, 3 feet (90 cm) I believe.  But how much does
it weigh?  If I just had a normal 3 foot sword, I'd
be faster, and speed does matter...

---David

Considering wearing a metal gauntlet, so I can grab
one (sharp) end, and increase the reach.

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[Julia Thompson]

David Hobby wrote:

Ronn!Blankenship wrote:

At 08:36 PM Sunday 5/28/2006, David Hobby wrote:

Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Apparently that day is here: 
<>


"BatLeth" meant nothing to me, and it's not clear the thing is a
very useful weapon.


Let me elaborate:  The thing is big and clumsy, but doesn't even
have any reach to make up for that.  It's probably a bit better
than a quarterstaff, though, since it does have sharp parts.


If you hold it right (and CAN hold it right, it takes practice!), you 
can get a little reach out of it.  I could hurt someone at 3' easily 
enough IF I were in good practice with it.  Which I'm not, and which is 
very low on my priority list at the moment.  (I think it's lower on my 
list than firespinning, which is fairly low.)


Now, the Klingon knife I have is extremely sharp, probably the sharpest 
weapon (as opposed to kitchen tool) in the house.  Not that that has to 
do with much of anything besides that it's Klingon.


Julia
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[Julia Thompson]

Ronn!Blankenship wrote:

Apparently that day is here:

<>


Ours isn't sharpened.  Would that be OK, or not?

Julia

but there *are* at least 3 sharp swords in the house, one sold dull and 
sharpened, but not to the point of being useful for decapitation


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[Jim Sharkey]

Bryon Daly wrote:
>As far as how can knives be outlawed and still have kitchen 
>knives...maybe not for long
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm

You'll get my beautiful ten-inch Henkel Four-Star from me when you pry
it from my cold, dead hands!  :-)

Jim
Finds it very useful Maru

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[David Hobby]

Ronn!Blankenship wrote:

At 08:36 PM Sunday 5/28/2006, David Hobby wrote:

Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Apparently that day is here: 
<>


"BatLeth" meant nothing to me, and it's not clear the thing is a
very useful weapon.


Let me elaborate:  The thing is big and clumsy, but doesn't even
have any reach to make up for that.  It's probably a bit better
than a quarterstaff, though, since it does have sharp parts.

...

We live in New York state, and have a couple katanas.  (Why?  Ask
my son...)

...

Sounds like you're okay* unless you decide to move to old York.


It is very strange what is and isn't legal, though.  Here's the
list for what one can't have (without a permit--for some of these,
one can not get a permit):


Criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree.

A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth
degree when: (1) He possesses any firearm, electronic dart gun,
electronic stun gun, gravity knife, switchblade knife, pilum
ballistic knife, metal knuckle knife, cane sword, billy, blackjack,
bludgeon, metal knuckles, chuka stick, sand bag, sandclub,
wrist-brace type slingshot or slungshot, shirken or "Kung Fu star";


Some of these appear to be there because of concealability.
Otherwise, I believe weapons were added at random, as police
complained that gangs were using them.

---David

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[Charlie Bell]

On 29/05/2006, at 6:48 AM, Bryon Daly wrote:


Anecdotal and mostly irrelevant story:
Back during the original run of Babylon 5 (probably 9+ years ago,  
so forgive
me if my memory is faulty), JMS (the series creator) discussed in  
the B5

newsgroup how the BBC


Channel 4, but understandable error. :)


censored part of a major scene involving use of a
knife (where when Vir apologizes to G'Kar for the Centauri's crimes  
against
the Narn, G'Kar pulls a knife, cuts his hand and as the blood  
drips, counts

off "dead, dead, dead...". )  IIRC, he mentioned another minor scene
censored , apparently for being too disturbing, where a few  
characters were

briefly held at knifepoint (no one cut or injured).


It's to do with the watershed. B5 used to be on at 6pm on a Sunday  
evening. When it was shown at 11pm on a Wednesday night, it aired uncut.


As far as how can knives be outlawed and still have kitchen  
knives...maybe

not for longhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm
But aside from the nanny doctors calling for the kitchen knife ban,  
it seems
the operative point to the law as described is "public place", so  
presumably

a knife in a kitchen an perhaps a machete in a garden are OK.


Yes. It's illegal to carry a knife on your person in a public place.  
Similar laws apply in many countries. In Cyprus, your diving knife  
must be in a bag with your diving gear in the boot or flatbed. If it  
is under the driver's seat, you're liable to be charged and fined if  
an officer finds it. When I entered Australia for my cycling trip I  
had a 6" folding knife for camping. I declared it, the customs  
officer took it away, came back after a few minutes, and asked the  
important questions "What is it for?" "Camping - i'm going on an  
outback cycling expedition" "Where are you carrying it?" "In my  
toolkit in a rear pannier compartment. Never on my person." "OK. no  
problem."


Charlie
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[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 10:48 PM Sunday 5/28/2006, Bryon Daly wrote:

[snip for brevity]

When I saw this knife amnesty story, I was immediately reminded of the JMS's
notes.  Outlawed knives seems to fit with that.

As far as how can knives be outlawed and still have kitchen knives...maybe
not for longhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm
But aside from the nanny doctors calling for the kitchen knife ban,




I suspect that in a majority of the cases in which kitchen knives are 
involved, the kitchen in question is in the mutual residence of the 
cutter and the cuttee.  IOW, that or any other weapon of opportunity 
is used during a domestic argument, probably fueled by EtOH (and not 
the kind some people suggest as automobile fuel . . . ).





 it seems
the operative point to the law as described is "public place", so presumably
a knife in a kitchen an perhaps a machete in a garden are OK.




Until someone comes up with the idea of "secondhand sharpness" being 
a danger to non-knife-users and children . . .



--Ronn!  :)

"Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country 
and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER 
GOD.  Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that 
would be eliminated from schools too?"

   -- Red Skelton

(Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.)




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[Bryon Daly]

On 5/28/06, David Hobby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
> Apparently that day is here:
>
> <>

"BatLeth" meant nothing to me, and it's not clear
the thing is a very useful weapon.

But the part I'm amazed at, is that swords/knives
are outlawed?  Can someone clarify this for me,
I mean you have to be able to have kitchen knives,
and maybe a machete for the "garden"?



Anecdotal and mostly irrelevant story:
Back during the original run of Babylon 5 (probably 9+ years ago, so forgive
me if my memory is faulty), JMS (the series creator) discussed in the B5
newsgroup how the BBC censored part of a major scene involving use of a
knife (where when Vir apologizes to G'Kar for the Centauri's crimes against
the Narn, G'Kar pulls a knife, cuts his hand and as the blood drips, counts
off "dead, dead, dead...". )  IIRC, he mentioned another minor scene
censored , apparently for being too disturbing, where a few characters were
briefly held at knifepoint (no one cut or injured).  I'd seen the scene
refered to, and it was nothing shocking oand probably a lot less violent
than some scenes on B5.  JMS explained that in the UK, knives were
considered especially horrifying, which brought on the censorship.

When I saw this knife amnesty story, I was immediately reminded of the JMS's
notes.  Outlawed knives seems to fit with that.

As far as how can knives be outlawed and still have kitchen knives...maybe
not for longhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm
But aside from the nanny doctors calling for the kitchen knife ban, it seems
the operative point to the law as described is "public place", so presumably
a knife in a kitchen an perhaps a machete in a garden are OK.
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[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 08:36 PM Sunday 5/28/2006, David Hobby wrote:

Ronn!Blankenship wrote:

Apparently that day is here:
<>


"BatLeth" meant nothing to me, and it's not clear
the thing is a very useful weapon.

But the part I'm amazed at, is that swords/knives
are outlawed?  Can someone clarify this for me,
I mean you have to be able to have kitchen knives,
and maybe a machete for the "garden"?




This article is a link on the other 
site:  <>. 
As someone on another list pointed out, most of the knifings in the 
UK involve kitchen knives, so your point is a good one.  (I don't 
know what you grow in your garden:  I use my machete when the bushes 
at the far end of the yard get out of control.  Though more often I 
use pruning shears except for the big limbs, which is when I get out 
the power saw . . . )





We live in New York state, and have a couple
katanas.  (Why?  Ask my son...)




Sounds like you're okay* unless you decide to move to old York.

_
*For the moment, at least.





--Ronn!  :)

"Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country 
and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER 
GOD.  Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that 
would be eliminated from schools too?"

   -- Red Skelton

(Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.)




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[David Hobby]

Ronn!Blankenship wrote:

Apparently that day is here:

<>


"BatLeth" meant nothing to me, and it's not clear
the thing is a very useful weapon.

But the part I'm amazed at, is that swords/knives
are outlawed?  Can someone clarify this for me,
I mean you have to be able to have kitchen knives,
and maybe a machete for the "garden"?

We live in New York state, and have a couple
katanas.  (Why?  Ask my son...)

---David

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[Ronn!Blankenship]

Apparently that day is here:

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