Re: reality glitches
On Mar 29, 2005 8:51 AM, Alan Ackley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, Hi, David Brin mailed me the contact info for this mailing list group a few days back, and although I've no idea how this will connect with any past discussions, I thought I'd toss this little pebble in the pond; I had a weird reality glitch reminiscent of the Matrix movie; snip Treating this seriously - A number of years ago I had several reality glitches like you experienced when I was under stress and thinking my world was changing for the worse. I finally decided to play with the hypothesis that I was exchanging places within the multiverse of infinite worlds and the external world I was in adjusted to fit my internal karma. After getting in a better mood the worst changes, mutants moving in down the street, the disappearance of some of my things when I knew where they were, seemed to go away and I forgot about it. Your post has made me realize it continued. I've moved into a world where a prep school moron President's disastrous war, national bankruptcy, erosion of liberties, corporate takeover of government, environmental destruction, squandering our economic and moral leadership in the world, systematic lying, and waging war on our unemployed, our children's health, and our minimum wage workers would be of no concern to the electorate. And the Republicans would win by correctly seeing that the chief concern of the electorate was to keep gay couples from getting married and having abortions. I wish to apologise to any of you others I may have brought to this world with me. -- Gary Denton How the Grinch Stole Marriage http://elemming2.blogspot.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Time, reality, and preception. (was: the question of reality glitches)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Ackley Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:02 AM To: Brin-L@mccmedia.com Subject: the question of reality glitches On reality glitches; Aside from proving anything, I have a question or three; 1) Can the past be changed? (or does time have more than one dimension?) 2) If so, can it be changed so that two or more people have differing memories? 3) What effects do recording have? ___ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: the question of reality glitches
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Ackley Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:02 AM To: Brin-L@mccmedia.com Subject: the question of reality glitches On reality glitches; Aside from proving anything, I have a question or three; 1) Can the past be changed? (or does time have more than one dimension?) 2) If so, can it be changed so that two or more people have differing memories? 3) What effects do recording have? ___ I went into some relative areas before about this, not dealing with reality in its self, though it can be easily expanded into. I'm not sure if I ever covered this on the list but ill do one up here now. Reality: 1. The quality or state of being actual or true. 2. One, such as a person, an entity, or an event, that is actual: the weight of history and political realities (Benno C. Schmidt, Jr.). 3. The totality of all things possessing actuality, existence, or essence. 4. That which exists objectively and in fact: Your observations do not seem to be about reality. Truth: 1. Conformity to fact or actuality. 2. A statement proven to be or accepted as true. 3. Sincerity; integrity. 4. Fidelity to an original or standard. 5. a. Reality; actuality. b. often Truth That which is considered to be the supreme reality and to have the ultimate meaning and value of existence. Time: a. . A nonspatial continuum in which events occur in apparently irreversible succession from the past through the present to the future. b. An interval separating two points on this continuum; a duration: a long time since the last war; passed the time reading. c. A number, as of years, days, or minutes, representing such an interval: ran the course in a time just under four minutes. d. A similar number representing a specific point on this continuum, reckoned in hours and minutes: checked her watch and recorded the time, 6:17 A.M. e. A system by which such intervals are measured or such numbers are reckoned: solar time. a. . An interval, especially a span of years, marked by similar events, conditions, or phenomena; an era. Often used in the plural: hard times; a time of troubles. b. times The present with respect to prevailing conditions and trends: You must change with the times. . A suitable or opportune moment or season: a time for taking stock of one's life. a. . Periods or a period designated for a given activity: harvest time; time for bed. b. Periods or a period necessary or available for a given activity: I have no time for golf. c. A period at one's disposal: Do you have time for a chat? Human memory is a very interesting and deceitful thing. Though we may believe that what remember is the exact and unaltered truth of what we saw, done, read, in the past it does not make it so. It has been documented through several experiments that over a given time the suggestibility of human memory will cause a change in our long and short term memory. Sometimes the most unreliable thing to have in a police investigation is an eyewitness. Dealing with memories of a event with multiple eyewitnesses comes down in some terms that of having to use the process of observation defined in quantum astronomy. Where an object must be viewed by several different observing devices and combined in order to see the actual object for what it is. i.e. We take 100 people and get them to look at a basket ball bouncing on a court. Then take tem in separate rooms and get them to describe the ball and its actions, you will get 100 different observations of the ball. Combing these 100 different observations we will get a more complete and accurate observation of what the basketball actually looked like while bouncing on the court. To observe is to change the object in question by adding the observer to the observation then a more accurate image can be created. Simple enough right. Nope. No matter how many observations are done we will never get a complete and fully accurate picture of the ball, let alone what the ball was doing. Was it bouncing? Was it rolling? The entire problem is that of those 100 people 1 person could accurately see and describe the ball, and another the way the ball bounced. The other 98 people will have varying observations that will distort the purity of the image of the combined 2 observers. Truth, I heard it once being described as, As long as the subject believes that what he says is the truth then to him it will be the truth, regardless to what everyone else has seen, and what the tape shows. It reminds me of Plato's Cave theory. I found a relatively good explanation of it here http://theosophy.org/tlodocs/AllegoryoftheCave.htm . i have included a excerpt below. The allegory begins with a graphic picture of the pathetic condition of the majority
Re: reality glitches
On Apr 1, 2005, at 1:36 AM, Gary Denton wrote: I wish to apologise to any of you others I may have brought to this world with me. That was you? You bastard! Stop observing the universe! You're influencing it way too much with your pessimism! -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: reality glitches--QM
- Original Message - From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:03 PM Subject: Re: reality glitches On Apr 1, 2005, at 1:36 AM, Gary Denton wrote: I wish to apologise to any of you others I may have brought to this world with me. That was you? You bastard! Stop observing the universe! You're influencing it way too much with your pessimism! I haven't heard much from you since I started my QM tutorial. Did it make sense and give you something to mull over or wasn't I clear enough. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: reality glitches--QM
On Apr 1, 2005, at 12:04 PM, Dan Minette wrote: I haven't heard much from you since I started my QM tutorial. Did it make sense and give you something to mull over or wasn't I clear enough. Oh, I'm chewing it over. ;) Thanks again for all the work you've put in on it. I'm sure that I'll comment on *something* eventually. (That's a safe bet...) -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
the question of reality glitches
On reality glitches; Aside from proving anything, I have a question or three; 1) Can the past be changed? (or does time have more than one dimension?) 2) If so, can it be changed so that two or more people have differing memories? 3) What effects do recording have? The people who know me well know I have an unusual memory for details. Now I dont expect strangers to know this, and really should have expected people to doubt my accuracy. In fact I think this is what happens to most reality glitches. People doubt their own memories, and other people doubt them, then everyone ASSUMES that there is a single constant reality. But what if this is not so? Hey, I admit I have no final proof at this point. I have yet to conduct my follow up visit to the construction company. BUT the point here is not whether I have attained proof, its to discuss the possibility that there are pockets of alternate reality that go unobserved precisely BECAUSE we distrust our own and others memories; unobserved because there is as yet no proof. The point is to perhaps come up with some testable theory. Because of my detailed memories I have come to believe that such glitches do occur, only recently it has been bugging me and I wonder if there is some sort of solvable problem here. In David Brins Earth there were many scenes involving people wired with cameras constantly downloading stuff to the internet. I thought of this and wondered what might have been the result if I had a recorded record of what I had seen and been told in the various agency offices. In fact what is the result (in a quantum sense) of recording events? Does this make the event more stable in everyones reality? If everyone started recording entire days, would this cause provability of glitches, or actually prevent them? After all, once youve decided to observe something . When the bag tear glitch occurred, there was a lot of precipitation happening, so I was only riding the one bike that had fenders. This is certain. The other bike had been dropped and had a tear in the bag resembling the one observed on the other bike. Admitting this just adds doubt to what at this point appears only to be a tale. No one messes with my bikes but me. There is no proof. No one agrees who gave my brother the chess set 35 years ago for xmas, but I remember this as the first such glitch I observed and have wondered ever since. The roller derby truck rolled under the couch and vanished from all known realities forever. Again, I am asking, not to convince anyone or to claim I have proof. This is really about questioning the stability of what we perceive as a single world. Is there a way of constructing/conducting an experiment to illuminate this? You open the box and the cat is dead. Later you see the cat alive. Was it dead, or did you dream it? If you had no independent witnesses or recordings, youd be hard put to prove anything. I suspect that the universe with the cat alive will contain only recordings of the living cat. Though some would say that the cat was in BOTH states until the box was opened. Does someone else remember the other state of the cat? We just wouldnt know unless we ask, and then someone will say it mustve been a different cat, or you were dreaming, or sipping fog or something. Well, it was raining. -- Alan. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: reality glitches
Alan Ackley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, David Brin mailed me the contact info for this mailing list group a few days back, Welcome to the list! I had a weird reality glitch reminiscent of the Matrix movie; Last month I visited Westaff, a temp agency I used to work for, at 29th Valmont where they had been for a decade. (snip) I went in there yesterday and they weren't there, there was instead a construction company in that suite. I called Westaff on the phone later to find out where they had moved and they said they had moved FIVE YEARS AGO!!! (snip story of magical self-healing plastic bag) So, what do you think? Local bubble? Another universe? Matrix glitch? Have you been out walking in the fog? There was a Larry Niven short story about how fog can act as a boundary between universes (allowing the main character to get rich by inventing the stapler). Did you find out how long the construction company was in that suite? Perhaps last month the temp agency finally closed their office, after having two offices open for years. Also, don't discount the possiblity of other actors beside yourself. Maybe your roommate or someone changed the bag in your pocket as a favor. Is anyone else using the bikes? Was it the same bike? You said there were two. Maybe you switched to the non-torn bike without realizing it? There's also the possibility that you changed the bag yourself, and then purged that memory. -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
reality glitches
Hi Everyone, David Brin mailed me the contact info for this mailing list group a few days back, and although Ive no idea how this will connect with any past discussions, I thought Id toss this little pebble in the pond; I had a weird reality glitch reminiscent of the Matrix movie; Last month I visited Westaff, a temp agency I used to work for, at 29th Valmont where they had been for a decade. They had lost all my records during their computer upgrade, done 1 year ago. I would have to re-interview with them and fill out all new forms. I figured I'd wait until I got back (now) to do that. I went in there yesterday and they weren't there, there was instead a construction company in that suite. I called Westaff on the phone later to find out where they had moved and they said they had moved FIVE YEARS AGO!!! Then they said they had lost all my records in last year's computer upgrade and I'd have to reapply. Their new office is at 30th and Pearl.WHERE WAS I LAST MONTH? In a different universe? Emmet Fox (a metaphysical writer) says external reality is just an appearance; a reflection of the REAL inner reality of consciousness. Am I observing reality change as my meditative inner work progresses? (that was my thought) Or is someone (angels, Suzanne suggested) reprogramming the reality matrix (Steve related it to the Matrix movies) behind the scenes? There was a second glitch that appeared yesterday! I locked the two bicycles I brought here to the support bars of the backyard swingset. To protect the leather seats I tied a heavy duty plastic bag (from Performance bikeshop) over each seat. I've only been riding one of these bikes so far. I take off the bag and stuff it in a little pouch in my saddle bag, so I can reuse it that night. Thursday night I noticed the bag had a 2 inch tear in it which I figured had happened the previous (very windy Wednesday) night. I rotated the bag so the tear was underneath the seat and kept reusing it. Then last night (Friday) as evening came around I remembered to cover the seat before sunset. I took out the SAME BAG, and looked for the tear so I could again rotate the bag so the tear would be underneath. THERE WAS NO TEAR. Emmet Fox says that reality only changes when consciousness changes. I am suspecting this as evidence that my consciousness work is actually having an effect on external reality. My working hypothesis is that each of us has a partially private reality bubble and that such glitches only affect a local area. That is that there is not a second ENTIRE UNIVERSE, only small part of the universe was affected by the appearance of the second reality, encompassed by the few people (or only me?) who were aware of the difference. I speculate that we distrust our memories and usually gloss over such glitches. This may be how God provides us each with our own karma, that there is some slack that allows our private reality bubbles to differ in minor details. I refuse to consider the possibility that Im just off my rocker, so my brain has gone to the more palatable considerations involving multiple universe theories. It bothers me to think that I generated an entire universe, and I prefer to believe that there was only a local bubble duplicating a small section of the universe. I have a very accurate memory and refuse to doubt my perceptions. Today Im going back to the suite where the construction company is to ask if they know anything about the prior tenants. So, what do you think? Local bubble? Another universe? Matrix glitch? Alan A. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: reality glitches
In a message dated 3/29/2005 12:20:54 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, what do you think? Local bubble? Another universe? Matrix glitch? Alan A. How far away do you live from Las Vegas? Vilyehm ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: reality glitches
On Mar 29, 2005, at 12:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/29/2005 12:20:54 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, what do you think? Local bubble? Another universe? Matrix glitch? Alan A. How far away do you live from Las Vegas? How close to you live to Steve Jobs? Welcome, Alan. Seriously. I don't know you, but I have to wonder, given the evidence that you lay out so lucidly, how it is that you can say I refuse to consider the possibility that Im just off my rocker and refuse to doubt my perceptions? Perhaps it is as you say that your meditative work is changing something -- you may have to accept that the thing it is changing is your brain. Your rocker, so to speak. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: reality glitches
So, what do you think? Local bubble? Another universe? Matrix glitch? This sort of thing happens from time to time: photographs look different, gentlemen disappear when they walk around carriages, friends dispute our most vivid memories... Sometimes it really does seem like the universe has changed when we weren't looking. But in every case, isn't it simpler and more plausible to go with the hypothesis that we might be mistaken, not in possession of all the facts, or simply misunderstanding the situation? I don't know about you, but I make dozens of mistakes every day, so when there's an apparent glitch like this and I have to weigh the possibility that I'm remembering things wrong, versus the idea that the universe itself has been altered in a mysterious way - well, the first possibility seems far more likely than the second. Which isn't to say that the act of observation can't have an effect on the thing being observed. That kind of weirdness happens all the time on the quantum level, but it gets averaged out when you scale up to the regular universe that we interact with. Kevin Street ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
