Re: [Bug-gnubg] Default met
On 7/4/07, Achim Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * Achim Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070704 08:15]: Is it enough to change this line in matchequity.c? pmd->mi.szFileName = BAD_CAST strdup ( "met/zadeh.xml" ); The default is set in gnubg.c somewhere. I changed it to g11 at some point, but I cannot remember if it was done for 0.15 as well and if somebody has the zadeh saved in their gnubgautorc that takes priority. Christian. ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Default met
On 7/4/07, Achim Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Frank Berger made an announcement at gammonu and bgonline.org that someone made a simulation of 1000 25p matches with gnubg, snowie bgblitz and jellyfish. Results will be published today. I'm not sure whether he described correctly, how the gnubg setup setup was, but it might be that gnubg has used zadeh met as default. For this is the worst met of all - I estimated at least 2% worse than snowie met - my suggestion is to use either g11 or mec26 as default met. While I totally agree the default should be at least mec26, It is hard to believe 2%. where did you get this figure? Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Default met
* Achim Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070704 08:15]: > Frank Berger made an announcement at gammonu and bgonline.org that > someone made a simulation of 1000 25p matches with gnubg, snowie bgblitz > and jellyfish. Results will be published today. > > I'm not sure whether he described correctly, how the gnubg setup setup > was, but it might be that gnubg has used zadeh met as default. > > For this is the worst met of all - I estimated at least 2% worse than > snowie met - my suggestion is to use either g11 or mec26 as default met. Is it enough to change this line in matchequity.c? pmd->mi.szFileName = BAD_CAST strdup ( "met/zadeh.xml" ); Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Fwd: Re: [Bug-gnubg] Installation problem - 0.16 instead the wanted 0.15]
* Achim Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070704 08:15]: > * Hardy Hübener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070704 07:47]: > > Thanks Christian, > > > > my main confusion is, that I did a absolutly NEW, FRESH installation of > > GNUBG (supposed to be 0.15): Deleted the older versions before, > > installed the file gnubg-0.15-stable-20061119-setup.exe, which I got > > from the download section of the GNUBG website, from the link that was > > pointing to the 0.15 stable version. And the programm that is running > > after that installation is version 0.16!!??!!?? > > > > So your downgrade hints don't help me much :-( > > > > The download archive for the 0.15 version (on the windows download site) > > seems to contain 0.16 elements! > > Are you sure about this? How big is the binary? And do you see MT > support when you open "Settings - options -other"? I just checked configure.in from gnubg-source-rel-0_15_20061120.tar.gz. It says: "AC_INIT([GNU Backgammon],[0.15],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[gnubg])" No idea what the windows guys are doing ;-). Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] Default met
Frank Berger made an announcement at gammonu and bgonline.org that someone made a simulation of 1000 25p matches with gnubg, snowie bgblitz and jellyfish. Results will be published today. I'm not sure whether he described correctly, how the gnubg setup setup was, but it might be that gnubg has used zadeh met as default. For this is the worst met of all - I estimated at least 2% worse than snowie met - my suggestion is to use either g11 or mec26 as default met. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Fwd: Re: [Bug-gnubg] Installation problem - 0.16 instead the wanted 0.15]
* Hardy Hübener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070704 07:47]: > Thanks Christian, > > my main confusion is, that I did a absolutly NEW, FRESH installation of > GNUBG (supposed to be 0.15): Deleted the older versions before, > installed the file gnubg-0.15-stable-20061119-setup.exe, which I got > from the download section of the GNUBG website, from the link that was > pointing to the 0.15 stable version. And the programm that is running > after that installation is version 0.16!!??!!?? > > So your downgrade hints don't help me much :-( > > The download archive for the 0.15 version (on the windows download site) > seems to contain 0.16 elements! Are you sure about this? How big is the binary? And do you see MT support when you open "Settings - options -other"? Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Fwd: Re: [Bug-gnubg] Installation problem - 0.16 instead the wanted 0.15]
Thanks Christian, my main confusion is, that I did a absolutly NEW, FRESH installation of GNUBG (supposed to be 0.15): Deleted the older versions before, installed the file gnubg-0.15-stable-20061119-setup.exe, which I got from the download section of the GNUBG website, from the link that was pointing to the 0.15 stable version. And the programm that is running after that installation is version 0.16!!??!!?? So your downgrade hints don't help me much :-( The download archive for the 0.15 version (on the windows download site) seems to contain 0.16 elements! I did not keep track on when GNUBG crashes, but will do from now on. I do a lot of conversions from matches, that I have in HTML-format into computer readable format. Therfore I use GNUBG a lot for recording moves. Going back and forth sometimes uses crashing of GNUBG. Especially when I want to correct the first move in a new game, GNUBG is crashing of freezes and all moves recorded before are lost. Try to describe it more detailled after experiencing another crash. Cheers, Hardy ;-) -- Hardy's Backgammon Pages --> www.hardys-backgammon-pages.com -- Hardy's Backgammon Pages --> www.hardys-backgammon-pages.com ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Installation problem - 0.16 instead the wanted 0.15
Hi Hardy, I'm sorry to hear that the 0.16 version crashes for you. Could you please describe when and how it crashes and tell us if you are using the threaded version? To downgrade just rename the gnubg directory located under Program Files to something else and install a fresh copy of 0.15. If that doesn't work your links must be pointing to a third copy of GNU backgammon. Christian. ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] Installation problem - 0.16 instead the wanted 0.15
Hi all, having updated my GNUBG I wanted to use the stable 0.15 version (for Windows). When downloading from the site http://www.gnubg.org/index.php?itemid=56, I receive a file gnubg-0.15-stable-20061119-setup.exe, but after installation and starting of that software, it is the 0.16 version that's actually running. And it crashes _very_ often. Therfore I'd rather prefer the 0.15 version. Where do I get this file? And why is 0.16 running after installing gnubg-0.15-stable-20061119-setup.exe? Cheers, Hardy ;-) -- Hardy's Backgammon Pages --> www.hardys-backgammon-pages.com ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] And here is the game
As usual ... ;-) The score (after 0 games) is: gnubg 0, ace 0 Match Information: Date: July 03, 2007 Move number 36: O doubles to 4 GNU Backgammon Position ID: e7cBCAJzczaAAA Match ID : ARkA +-1--2--3--4--5--6---7--8--9-10-11-12-+ O: gnubg | O O O X O | |O O X | 0 points | O O O O | |O O | | OO | | | | | | | | | | | | |BAR| |^ | | | | |X | | | |X X | | | | X X X X X| | | Cube offered at 4 | X X X X X| | O| 0 points +24-23-22-21-20-19--18-17-16-15-14-13-+ X: ace Pip counts: O 89, X 72 * ace accepts (;FF[4]GM[6]CA[UTF-8]AP[GNU Backgammon:0.16-devel]MI[length:0][game:0][ws:0][bs:0]PW[gnubg]PB[ace]DT[2007-07-03]RU[Jacoby]RE[W+4]GS[M:0 0 31 30 0 0 0 0 0 0 26 24 5 6 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00][C:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00][D:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00] ;W[54mhxt] ;B[44lplpptpt] ;W[63yvvp] ;B[23suux] ;W[65] ;B[double] ;W[take] ;B[66lrqwqwrx] ;W[25] ;B[56aggl] ;W[43yupm] ;B[52lqsu] ;W[44yumimimi] ;B[56yeek] ;W[63icfc] ;B[41qukl] ;W[12] ;B[64agqu] ;W[45] ;B[43gkkn] ;W[15] ;B[63ntlo] ;W[63yvic] ;B[35svlq] ;W[34yvmi] ;B[65yeqw] ;W[41vrml] ;B[56yeou] ;W[24fdhd] ;B[21tvuv] ;W[25cafa] ;B[34svsw] ;W[65lfhc] ;B[23eggj] ;W[double] ;B[take] ;W[54idie] ;B[33] ;W[12ferp] ;B[66] ;W[15pooj] ;B[63] ;W[31hehg] ;B[52yb] ;W[23dbeb] ;B[36] ;W[23jhhe] ;B[12] ;W[23gecz] ;B[26] ;W[33fcfcczcz] ;B[65yf] ;W[41eaed] ;B[65yffk] ;W[54ezdz] ;B[55fkkpkppu] ;W[43dzcz] ;B[14ptxz] ;W[52ezbz] ;B[52tzwz] ;W[26bzdz] ;B[35vztz] ;W[54czaz] ;B[36vztz] ;W[11azaz]) (;FF[4]GM[6]CA[UTF-8]AP[GNU Backgammon:0.16-devel]MI[length:0][game:1][ws:4][bs:0]PW[gnubg]PB[ace]RU[Jacoby]GS[M:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00][C:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00][D:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00] ;PL[B]DI[24]) ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] MT/SMP bug disappeared??!
Hi folks, weird things are going on. I made a few tests with a certain position regarding the MT bug (standard error no/double). I played a moneygame (attached, it's not that bad ;-) ) and made the following rollouts at the redouble/take position: Current snapshot, all rollouts 2-ply, cube 2ply, 108 games, untruncated, dice Mersenne Twister, seed 1, I restarted gnubg after each rollout! 1) Twice at the take with one processor 2) Twice at the take with two processors 3) Twice at the double with one processor 4) Twice at the double with two processors Here are the numbers: nd std.err takestd.error 1a +0.569 0.013 +0.6540.033 1b exactly the same results (what I expected) 2a +0.569 0.046 +0.6540.033 2b +0.569 0.045 +0.6540.033 3a exactly the same as 1a and 1b 3b exactly the same as 1a and 1b 4a +0.569 0.048 +0.6540.033 4b +0.569 0.046 +0.6540.033 Question 1: The std.error is not shown as big as it was when I first noticed it, but it's still a little bit higher than with using only one processor. Why? Question 2: It differs! Why? I expected the same numbers because of the same seed. Assumption 1: The rollout results themselves seem to be reliable (well, somehow), but I'll crosscheck this with other positions also. Assumption 2: Richard Stallman did issue the blessing on gnubg after we shifted to GPLv3 ;-). If someone wants to debug this, I have saved all rollouts and results. Ciao Achim PS. The behaviour, that gnubg with 2 threads somehow freezes (without error message at the command line) when stopping a rollout in between still remains. ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Gtk-Critical
On 7/3/07, Achim Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi folks, sometimes I get this error message at the command line: "Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_progress_set_percentage: assertion `percentage >= 0 && percentage <= 1.0' failed" Hi Achim, I'm pretty sure that it is a counting bug in the multithread code, and that gtk doesn't cause the hang. But you can try the following. gdb gnubg run --g-fatal-warnings (cause error) bt (on all the threads). You should be able to print out the values of variables inside gdb as well. Christian. ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] Gtk-Critical
Hi folks, sometimes I get this error message at the command line: "Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_progress_set_percentage: assertion `percentage >= 0 && percentage <= 1.0' failed" After that gnubg very often is unusable and has to be killed manually. It mostly happens during or after a n analysis/rollout. Latest snapshot, SuSE-Linux 10.1/10.2 Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] new windows build
* Massimiliano Maini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070703 13:53]: > > Hi Oystein, > > > > can you please make a new windows build before I go to Monte Carlo. I > > planned to burn a DVD including the newest stuff in case people will > > ask. > > Hi Achim, > I've built a new distrib, it's available on www.gnubg.org. Great, thx. > Code snapshot is latest available (20070703). Multi-thread exes > are also available to download (at least 1 important bug in them, Yep, after all I discovered it ;-). I'll probably write a README and put on DVD. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] new windows build
> Hi Oystein, > > can you please make a new windows build before I go to Monte Carlo. I > planned to burn a DVD including the newest stuff in case people will > ask. Hi Achim, I've built a new distrib, it's available on www.gnubg.org. Code snapshot is latest available (20070703). Multi-thread exes are also available to download (at least 1 important bug in them, cube rollout issue). MaX. ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
[Bug-gnubg] new windows build
Hi Oystein, can you please make a new windows build before I go to Monte Carlo. I planned to burn a DVD including the newest stuff in case people will ask. Ciao Achim -- achim mueller, anne-frank-str. 25, D-48431 rheine +49 (0)5971 83767, +49 (0)163 8458340 - pgp/gnupg key: 1024D/5DF3A722 (wwwkeys.de.pgp.net) ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] equity graph
* Thomas Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070701 19:01]: > Is it possible to plot the moves vs the equity value? > > Following the post at > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnubg/2007-05/msg00067.html this > is not possible, right? > I know this from chess GUIs and it's really interesting and helpful. > I'd love to see this and a pip-graph as proposed several years ago as > well (http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnubg/2004-07/msg00069.html). > Just my feature request of this wonderful piece of software! :) I think this should be possible with a little bit of python scripting and gnuplot. Oystein and me planned to do some scritping after I return from Monte Carlo. Let's see. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
