Re: 2/4 not before repeat line in incipit to `Repeats'

2009-08-07 Thread Werner LEMBERG
 In the incipit to the `Repeats' section, I think it should be

2 |
  |:
4 |

 instead of

|  2
|:
|  4

 Later in the chapter there is a snippet which demonstrates this.
 
 Not sure.  It would appear to me that
 
 2 |
  :|:
 4 |
 
 would be wrong, for example.

Here an example from Brahms Gesamtausgabe, Haydn Variations, which
demonstrates what I mean.


Werner
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Re: 2/4 not before repeat line in incipit to `Repeats'

2009-08-07 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes:

 In the incipit to the `Repeats' section, I think it should be

2 |
  |:
4 |

 instead of

|  2
|:
|  4

 Later in the chapter there is a snippet which demonstrates this.
 
 Not sure.  It would appear to me that
 
 2 |
  :|:
 4 |
 
 would be wrong, for example.

 Here an example from Brahms Gesamtausgabe, Haydn Variations, which
 demonstrates what I mean.

Hm, at the ultimate beginning.  Isn't it customary not to set a repeat
sign at all in that case?

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Re: 2/4 not before repeat line in incipit to `Repeats'

2009-08-07 Thread Werner LEMBERG
 Here an example from Brahms Gesamtausgabe, Haydn Variations, which
 demonstrates what I mean.
 
 Hm, at the ultimate beginning.

No, in the middle of the piece (see the bar number).

 Isn't it customary not to set a repeat sign at all in that case?

You have to indicate the beginning of the repetition.


Werner


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Re: Strange bug with \addlyrics

2009-08-07 Thread Francisco Vila

2009/8/7 Benjamin Kwong benjamin.kw...@mail.mcgill.ca:
 The following produces weird behavior with the use of \addlyrics over 
 barlines.

 \version 2.13.3

 \relative c' {  { { a4 a a a | a } \addlyrics { a a a a } d d d | f f f f } 
 \\
 { c,1 c c }  }

 \relative c' {  { { a4 a a a | a } \addlyrics { a a a a a } d d d | f f f f 
 }
 \\ { c,1 c c }  }

with
  \addlyrics { a8 a a a a }
we see that the subsequent 'd d d' inherit the rhythms of the lyrics.
So maybe addlyrics is not well intended to be inside a polyphonic
construct like this.

Putting the lyrics outside they behave well.


\relative c' {  { \new Voice=one { a4 a a a | a }  d d d | f f f f }
\\ { c,1 c c }  }

\new Lyrics \lyricsto one \lyricmode { a a a a a }


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Re: Strange bug with \addlyrics

2009-08-07 Thread Trevor Daniels


Francisco Vila Friday, August 07, 2009 10:08 AM


2009/8/7 Benjamin Kwong benjamin.kw...@mail.mcgill.ca:
The following produces weird behavior with the use of \addlyrics 
over barlines.


\version 2.13.3

\relative c' {  { { a4 a a a | a } \addlyrics { a a a a } d d d 
| f f f f } \\

{ c,1 c c }  }

\relative c' {  { { a4 a a a | a } \addlyrics { a a a a a } d d 
d | f f f f }

\\ { c,1 c c }  }


with
 \addlyrics { a8 a a a a }
we see that the subsequent 'd d d' inherit the rhythms of the 
lyrics.

So maybe addlyrics is not well intended to be inside a polyphonic
construct like this.

Putting the lyrics outside they behave well.


\relative c' {  { \new Voice=one { a4 a a a | a }  d d d | f f 
f f }

\\ { c,1 c c }  }

\new Lyrics \lyricsto one \lyricmode { a a a a a }


But it doesn't need to be polyphonic nor
does it need \addlyrics to go wrong.  Nor
it is anything to do with the implicit
creation of contexts.  Try:

\version 2.13.3
\relative c' {
 \new Staff {
   
 \new Voice = A { a4 a a a | a }
 \new Lyrics \lyricsto A \lyricmode {
   a a a a a }
   
   \context Voice = A { d d d | f f f f }
 }
}

It seems more a problem of timing synchonisation
between lyricmode and notemode.  In lyricmode it
seems the last syllable extends to the end of the
second bar, causing the following notes to squash
up until the notemode timing catches up.

The ordering is unusual, but it does seem like a
bug.

Trevor



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Re: 2/4 not before repeat line in incipit to `Repeats'

2009-08-07 Thread Hans Aberg

On 7 Aug 2009, at 08:55, Werner LEMBERG wrote:


Here an example from Brahms Gesamtausgabe, Haydn Variations, which
demonstrates what I mean.


I have looked into some Bulgarian sheet music, and they do the same as  
in Hindemith and in your example:
1. If the meter shift occurs at a staff break, the staff lines before  
the break gets a courtesy time signature at the very end (without a  
following bar).
2. The time signature appears outside the repeats, although one may  
have to put one inside if the repeat ends in a different meter than it  
started with (so if the eye follows the expansion, one should be able  
to read the correct meter changes).


So in the :||: situation, one separates the bars and puts the time  
signature between them. Or at least in the case I looked at.


  Hans




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Re: 2/4 not before repeat line in incipit to `Repeats'

2009-08-07 Thread Werner LEMBERG

 I have looked into some Bulgarian sheet music, and they do the same as
 in Hindemith and in your example:
 1. If the meter shift occurs at a staff break, the staff lines before
 the break gets a courtesy time signature at the very end (without a
 following bar).
 2. The time signature appears outside the repeats, although one may
 have to put one inside if the repeat ends in a different meter than it
 started with (so if the eye follows the expansion, one should be able
 to read the correct meter changes).
 
 So in the :||: situation, one separates the bars and puts the time
 signature between them. Or at least in the case I looked at.

Yes.  By default, a meter change should be positioned before the
repetition sign.

This should be added to the bug tracker...


Werner


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