subject:"\[BVARC\] the phase out of landline phone service"

Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

2024-02-15 Thread Jonathan Guthrie via BVARC


I guess it's time for me to junk the ISDN PRI gear I've got in my garage.

On 2/13/24 20:33, wb5itt via BVARC wrote:
When VOIP first came out, the trick was to set the fax machine to the 
speed below the fastest it could handle. If the modem was capable of 
14400, locking it at 12600 or even 9,600 usually gave you reliable 
communications... Usually..


One of my early Vonage boxes allowed me to run up to 1200 baud on a 
dialup modem but t on a long download eventually led to just gibberish 
and a hang up. Even dialing into a ROLM CBX telephone switch at 300 
baud was hit and miss on a long download


The phone companies, especially AT, originally intended to do away 
with copper POTS back in 2020 but that got pushed back.  After 
Hurricane Sandy did its number on New York, the phone companies like 
Verizon and Frontier stated no more new copper there...


ISDN BRI has been going away though it never really caught on for 
residential use.. radio stations used it a lot for high quality audio 
transport from remote sites but when the lines went from $55 a month 
to over a thousand a month it was time to say goodbye..


ISDN PRI service has been going away for years. Around 2008, AT in 
Texas was promoting it with a real cheap rate for businesses to get 
off T1s for phone service. I upgraded the Centerpoint office in New 
Braunfels and save them $700 a month!!


But it's time was limited as IP took over..


Chris WB5ITT



Sent via my Samsung Galaxy S10e, an AT 5G Evolution capable 
smartphone..so there! 



 Original message 
From: Tom Watson via BVARC 
Date: 2/13/24 6:35 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB 
Cc: Tom Watson 
Subject: Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

Is there a way to run a fax machine over VoIP?

On Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 3:19 PM Jeff Greer via BVARC  
wrote:


At work, we're having to convert all our old POTS lines to VoIP. 
The telcos don't want to spend the money to keep the old copper
phone lines working.  You'll still be able to have a VoIP phone at
home, but it'll be useless if you lose Internet.

All the more reason to know how to get a message out via ham
radio.  

-j


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*Subject:* Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service
To all
 I have a land line and need to keep it since I have a captel
phone for hard of hearing

In a message dated 2/8/2024 2:38:27 PM Central Standard Time,
bvarc@bvarc.org writes:

Yeah, I’ve had a landline for years and I don’t plan on
getting rid of it anytime soon but unfortunately they decide
to pull it. They’re gonna pull it.
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 8, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Chris Medlin via BVARC
 wrote:

I heard this story in the news this week.. that landline
phones were being phased out.. that cellular is king… and even
though I haven’t had a home landline in years, I do know the
power of having one in times of infrastructural crisis… so
this story just adds that extra validation of the importance
of Ham Radio in the event of infrastructure outage.

When all else fails, Ham Radio.

“Don’t let them drop us!” Landline users protest AT copper
retirement plan | Ars Technica

<https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/dont-let-them-drop-us-landline-users-protest-att-copper-retirement-plan/>

Enjoy!

73

Chris/AC5CM


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To all
 I have a land line and need to keep it since I have a captel
phone for hard of hearing

In a message dated 2/8/2024 2:38:27 PM Central Standard Time,

Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

2024-02-13 Thread wb5itt via BVARC

When VOIP first came out, the trick was to set the fax machine to the speed 
below the fastest it could handle. If the modem was capable of 14400, locking 
it at 12600 or even 9,600 usually gave you reliable communications... 
Usually..One of my early Vonage boxes allowed me to run up to 1200 baud on a 
dialup modem but t on a long download eventually led to just gibberish and a 
hang up. Even dialing into a ROLM CBX telephone switch at 300 baud was hit and 
miss on a long downloadThe phone companies, especially AT,  originally 
intended to do away with copper POTS back in 2020 but that got pushed back.  
After Hurricane Sandy did its number on New York, the phone companies like 
Verizon and Frontier stated no more new copper there...ISDN BRI has been going 
away though it never really caught on for residential use.. radio stations used 
it a lot for high quality audio transport from remote sites but when the lines 
went from $55 a month to over a thousand a month it was time to say 
goodbye..ISDN PRI service has been going away for years. Around 2008, AT in 
Texas was promoting it with a real cheap rate for businesses to get off T1s for 
phone service. I upgraded the Centerpoint office in New Braunfels and save them 
$700 a month!! But it's time was limited as IP took over..Chris WB5ITT Sent via 
my Samsung Galaxy S10e, an AT 5G Evolution capable smartphone..so there! 
 Original message From: Tom Watson via BVARC  
Date: 2/13/24  6:35 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB 
 Cc: Tom Watson  Subject: Re: [BVARC] the 
phase out of landline phone service Is there a way to run a fax machine over 
VoIP?On Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 3:19 PM Jeff Greer via BVARC  wrote:






At work, we're having to convert all our old POTS lines to VoIP.  The telcos 
don't want to spend the money to keep the old copper phone lines working.  
You'll still be able to have a VoIP phone at home, but it'll be useless if you 
lose Internet. 






All the more reason to know how to get a message out via ham radio.  




-j






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Subject: Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service
 


To all

 

 I have a land line and need to keep it since I have a captel phone for hard of 
hearing

In a message dated 2/8/2024 2:38:27 PM Central Standard Time, bvarc@bvarc.org 
writes:
 


Yeah, I’ve had a landline for years and I don’t plan on getting rid of it 
anytime soon but unfortunately they decide to pull it. They’re gonna pull it.
Sent from my iPhone




On Feb 8, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Chris Medlin via BVARC  wrote:




 


 
I heard this story in the news this week.. that landline phones were being 
phased out.. that cellular is king… and even though I haven’t had a home 
landline in years, I do know the power of having one in times of 
infrastructural crisis… so this story just
 adds that extra validation of the importance of Ham Radio in the event of 
infrastructure outage.
When all else fails, Ham Radio.
 
“Don’t
 let them drop us!” Landline users protest AT copper retirement plan | Ars 
Technica
 
Enjoy!
73
Chris/AC5CM

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Subject: Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service
 


To all

 

 I have a land line and need to keep it since I have a captel phone for hard of 
hearing

In a message dated 2/8/2024 2:38:27 PM Central Standard Time, bvarc@bvarc.org 
writes:
 


Yeah, I’ve had a landline for years and I don’t plan on getting rid of it 
anytime soon but unfortunately they decide to pull it. They’re gonna pull it.
Sent from my iPhone




On Feb 8, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Chris Medlin via BVARC  wrote:




 


 
I heard this story in the news this week.. that landline phones were being 
phased out.. that cellular is king… and even though I haven’t had a home 
landline in years, I do know the power of having one in times of 
infrastructural crisis… so this story just
 adds that extra validation of the importance of Ham Radio in the event of 
infrastructure outage.
When all else fails, Ham Radio.
 
“Don’t
 let them drop us!” Landline users protest AT copper retirement plan | Ars 
Technica
 
Enjoy!
73
Chris

Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

2024-02-13 Thread Lee Glassman WA5LEE via BVARC

In actuality, you can easily DO fax over an SIP VoIP line. I use HamShack 
Hotline, and in addition I have a 1-800 number from VOIP.MS, which costs me 
about a buck a month. They also offer a Fax VoIP service for about $2/month, 
here is the article on their wiki:

 

https://wiki.voip.ms/article/Virtual_Fax

 

What I often ask myself on this is: 

A.  How many folks are still even USING Facsimile in this day and age of 
PDF/Internet; and the reverse:
B.  What do you do when the Interwebs go down? An EMP will fry both the 
internet AND the copper over Fibre TELCO nodes. So, once again, there will just 
be a few of us who have our rigs in a Farraday cage who can talk to anyone, 
should the worst happen.
C.  All of the above, be it Zombie Apocalypse, Widespread EMP, some MAJOR 
hub/node being blown up, I firmly believe (being a big fan of TEOTWAWKI 
fiction*) that most folks will be too busy fighting off their formerly friendly 
neighbors to be able to provide disaster comms, and calling for help will prove 
fruitless as most folks within range will be under the same personal 
constraints.

 

Yah, I agree, I am taking a ‘glass half empty’ stance.. Sorry.. lol  

Once Bitten Twice Shy, Baby.. (dating myself here)

 

 

*Check out Tom Abraham’s stuff on Kindle (he is a Newscaster for ABC13 Houston, 
he writes a whole buncha H-Town centric fiction..) 

 

Happy Valentine’s day!

 

 

 

WA5LEE 

Lee Glassman, ARRL VE, COM-L, COM-T, AUXCOMM, NREMT #E3525310

Tomball, Texas

 <https://wa5lee.com/> https://wa5lee.com

Pronouns: Him/He

HCOHSEM AUXCOMM

 

From: BVARC  On Behalf Of Bruce via BVARC
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 7:56 PM
To: Tom Watson via BVARC 
Cc: Bruce 
Subject: Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

 

Not really. I would use an eFAX service. Send them a jpg, pdf, doc(x) file and 
they transmit almost instantly. Some are free to send 1-2 pages. 

73...bruce

On 2/13/2024 6:35 PM, Tom Watson via BVARC wrote:

Is there a way to run a fax machine over VoIP?

 

On Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 3:19 PM Jeff Greer via BVARC mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org> > wrote:

At work, we're having to convert all our old POTS lines to VoIP.  The telcos 
don't want to spend the money to keep the old copper phone lines working.  
You'll still be able to have a VoIP phone at home, but it'll be useless if you 
lose Internet.  

 

All the more reason to know how to get a message out via ham radio.  

 

-j

 

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To all

 

 I have a land line and need to keep it since I have a captel phone for hard of 
hearing


In a message dated 2/8/2024 2:38:27 PM Central Standard Time, bvarc@bvarc.org 
<mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org>  writes: 

 

Yeah, I’ve had a landline for years and I don’t plan on getting rid of it 
anytime soon but unfortunately they decide to pull it. They’re gonna pull it.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Feb 8, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Chris Medlin via BVARC mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org> > wrote:

 

 

I heard this story in the news this week.. that landline phones were being 
phased out.. that cellular is king… and even though I haven’t had a home 
landline in years, I do know the power of having one in times of 
infrastructural crisis… so this story just adds that extra validation of the 
importance of Ham Radio in the event of infrastructure outage.

When all else fails, Ham Radio.

 

“Don’t let them drop us!” Landline users protest AT 
<https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/dont-let-them-drop-us-landline-users-protest-att-copper-retirement-plan/>
  copper retirement plan | Ars Technica

 

Enjoy!

73

Chris/AC5CM


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Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

2024-02-13 Thread Bruce via BVARC

Not really. I would use an eFAX service. Send them a jpg, pdf, doc(x) 
file and they transmit almost instantly. Some are free to send 1-2 pages.


73...bruce

On 2/13/2024 6:35 PM, Tom Watson via BVARC wrote:

Is there a way to run a fax machine over VoIP?

On Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 3:19 PM Jeff Greer via BVARC  
wrote:


At work, we're having to convert all our old POTS lines to VoIP. 
The telcos don't want to spend the money to keep the old copper
phone lines working.  You'll still be able to have a VoIP phone at
home, but it'll be useless if you lose Internet.

All the more reason to know how to get a message out via ham
radio.  

-j


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m733sha...@gmail.com 
*Subject:* Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service
To all
 I have a land line and need to keep it since I have a captel
phone for hard of hearing

In a message dated 2/8/2024 2:38:27 PM Central Standard Time,
bvarc@bvarc.org writes:

Yeah, I’ve had a landline for years and I don’t plan on
getting rid of it anytime soon but unfortunately they decide
to pull it. They’re gonna pull it.
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 8, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Chris Medlin via BVARC
 wrote:

I heard this story in the news this week.. that landline
phones were being phased out.. that cellular is king… and even
though I haven’t had a home landline in years, I do know the
power of having one in times of infrastructural crisis… so
this story just adds that extra validation of the importance
of Ham Radio in the event of infrastructure outage.

When all else fails, Ham Radio.

“Don’t let them drop us!” Landline users protest AT copper
retirement plan | Ars Technica

<https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/dont-let-them-drop-us-landline-users-protest-att-copper-retirement-plan/>

Enjoy!

73

Chris/AC5CM


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To all
 I have a land line and need to keep it since I have a captel
phone for hard of hearing

In a message dated 2/8/2024 2:38:27 PM Central Standard Time,
bvarc@bvarc.org writes:

Yeah, I’ve had a landline for years and I don’t plan on
getting rid of it anytime soon but unfortunately they decide
to pull it. They’re gonna pull it.
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 8, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Chris Medlin via BVARC
 wrote:

I heard this story in the news this week.. that landline
phones were being phased out.. that cellular is king… and even
though I haven’t had a home landline in years, I do know the
power of having one in times of infrastructural crisis… so
this story just adds that extra validation of the importance
of Ham Radio in the event of infrastructure outage.

When all else fails, Ham Radio.

“Don’t let them drop us!” Landline users protest AT copper
retirement plan | Ars Technica

<https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/dont-let-them-drop-us-landline-users-protest-att-copper-retirement-plan/>

Enjoy!

73

Chris/AC5CM


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Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

2024-02-13 Thread Bruce via BVARC

Understandable. That is why I have unlimited data on my cell phone so 
that my wife and I can still stream when the internet goes down. 
Hopefully with fiber that will be far and few in between.

73...bruce

On 2/13/2024 6:27 PM, Jeff Greer via BVARC wrote:
Fiber is nice.  Until someone digs a ditch and cuts it.  Been there, 
done that.  All of my warehouses now have 2 separate Internet 
connections coming in on disparate infrastructure, so when we lose 
one, we don't waste a day not shipping product.


-j


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*Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2024 5:44 PM
*To:* Jeff Greer via BVARC 
*Cc:* Bruce 
*Subject:* Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service
Glad our new provider is Tachus as they are 100% fiber. As long as 
their generator at their office is working, we will have internet. 
Good thing about light is that you do not need to keep amplifying it 
downstream.


We went to VoIP with MagicJack a long time ago when they first 
started. We keep it unplugged unless we want to make an outbound call. 
No spam calls that way and all our friends have our cell numbers.


73...bruce

On 2/13/2024 3:18 PM, Jeff Greer via BVARC wrote:

At work, we're having to convert all our old POTS lines to VoIP. 
The telcos don't want to spend the money to keep the old copper
phone lines working.  You'll still be able to have a VoIP phone at
home, but it'll be useless if you lose Internet.

All the more reason to know how to get a message out via ham
radio.  

-j


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To all
 I have a land line and need to keep it since I have a captel
phone for hard of hearing

In a message dated 2/8/2024 2:38:27 PM Central Standard Time,
bvarc@bvarc.org <mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org> writes:

Yeah, I’ve had a landline for years and I don’t plan on
getting rid of it anytime soon but unfortunately they decide
to pull it. They’re gonna pull it.
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 8, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Chris Medlin via BVARC
 <mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:

I heard this story in the news this week.. that landline
phones were being phased out.. that cellular is king… and even
though I haven’t had a home landline in years, I do know the
power of having one in times of infrastructural crisis… so
this story just adds that extra validation of the importance
of Ham Radio in the event of infrastructure outage.

When all else fails, Ham Radio.

“Don’t let them drop us!” Landline users protest AT copper
retirement plan | Ars Technica

<https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/dont-let-them-drop-us-landline-users-protest-att-copper-retirement-plan/>

Enjoy!

73

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Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

2024-02-13 Thread Jeff Greer via BVARC

Yes.  But it's historically not as reliable.  I think it's gotten better in 
recent years.

From: BVARC  on behalf of Tom Watson via BVARC 

Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 6:35 PM
To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB 
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Is there a way to run a fax machine over VoIP?

On Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 3:19 PM Jeff Greer via BVARC 
mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org>> wrote:
At work, we're having to convert all our old POTS lines to VoIP.  The telcos 
don't want to spend the money to keep the old copper phone lines working.  
You'll still be able to have a VoIP phone at home, but it'll be useless if you 
lose Internet.

All the more reason to know how to get a message out via ham radio.  

-j

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bvarc@bvarc.org<mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org> 
mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org>>
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Subject: Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

To all

 I have a land line and need to keep it since I have a captel phone for hard of 
hearing

In a message dated 2/8/2024 2:38:27 PM Central Standard Time, 
bvarc@bvarc.org<mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org> writes:

Yeah, I’ve had a landline for years and I don’t plan on getting rid of it 
anytime soon but unfortunately they decide to pull it. They’re gonna pull it.
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 8, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Chris Medlin via BVARC 
mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org>> wrote:

I heard this story in the news this week.. that landline phones were being 
phased out.. that cellular is king… and even though I haven’t had a home 
landline in years, I do know the power of having one in times of 
infrastructural crisis… so this story just adds that extra validation of the 
importance of Ham Radio in the event of infrastructure outage.

When all else fails, Ham Radio.

“Don’t let them drop us!” Landline users protest AT copper retirement plan | 
Ars 
Technica<https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/dont-let-them-drop-us-landline-users-protest-att-copper-retirement-plan/>

Enjoy!

73

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Subject: Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

To all

 I have a land line and need to keep it since I have a captel phone for hard of 
hearing

In a message dated 2/8/2024 2:38:27 PM Central Standard Time, 
bvarc@bvarc.org<mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org> writes:

Yeah, I’ve had a landline for years and I don’t plan on getting rid of it 
anytime soon but unfortunately they decide to pull it. They’re gonna pull it.
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 8, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Chris Medlin via BVARC 
mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org>> wrote:

I heard this story in the news this week.. that landline phones were being 
phased out.. that cellular is king… and even though I haven’t had a home 
landline in years, I do know the power of having one in times of 
infrastructural crisis… so this story just adds that extra validation of the 
importance of Ham Radio in the event of infrastructure outage.

When all else fails, Ham Radio.

“Don’t let them drop us!” Landline users protest AT copper retirement plan | 
Ars 
Technica<https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/dont-let-them-drop-us-landline-users-protest-att-copper-retirement-plan/>

Enjoy!

73

Chris/AC5CM

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Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

2024-02-13 Thread Tom Watson via BVARC

Is there a way to run a fax machine over VoIP?

On Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 3:19 PM Jeff Greer via BVARC  wrote:

> At work, we're having to convert all our old POTS lines to VoIP.  The
> telcos don't want to spend the money to keep the old copper phone lines
> working.  You'll still be able to have a VoIP phone at home, but it'll be
> useless if you lose Internet.
>
> All the more reason to know how to get a message out via ham radio.  
>
> -j
>
> --
> *From:* BVARC  on behalf of AOL/ CompuServe Mail
> via BVARC 
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 8, 2024 4:25 PM
> *To:* bvarc@bvarc.org ; bvarc@bvarc.org 
> *Cc:* AOL/ CompuServe Mail ; m733sha...@gmail.com <
> m733sha...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service
>
> To all
>
>  I have a land line and need to keep it since I have a captel phone for
> hard of hearing
>
> In a message dated 2/8/2024 2:38:27 PM Central Standard Time,
> bvarc@bvarc.org writes:
>
>
> Yeah, I’ve had a landline for years and I don’t plan on getting rid of it
> anytime soon but unfortunately they decide to pull it. They’re gonna pull
> it.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 8, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Chris Medlin via BVARC 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I heard this story in the news this week.. that landline phones were being
> phased out.. that cellular is king… and even though I haven’t had a home
> landline in years, I do know the power of having one in times of
> infrastructural crisis… so this story just adds that extra validation of
> the importance of Ham Radio in the event of infrastructure outage.
>
> When all else fails, Ham Radio.
>
>
>
> “Don’t let them drop us!” Landline users protest AT copper retirement
> plan | Ars Technica
> <https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/dont-let-them-drop-us-landline-users-protest-att-copper-retirement-plan/>
>
>
>
> Enjoy!
>
> 73
>
> Chris/AC5CM
> 
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>
>
> --
> *From:* BVARC  on behalf of AOL/ CompuServe Mail
> via BVARC 
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 8, 2024 4:25 PM
> *To:* bvarc@bvarc.org ; bvarc@bvarc.org 
> *Cc:* AOL/ CompuServe Mail ; m733sha...@gmail.com <
> m733sha...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service
>
> To all
>
>  I have a land line and need to keep it since I have a captel phone for
> hard of hearing
>
> In a message dated 2/8/2024 2:38:27 PM Central Standard Time,
> bvarc@bvarc.org writes:
>
>
> Yeah, I’ve had a landline for years and I don’t plan on getting rid of it
> anytime soon but unfortunately they decide to pull it. They’re gonna pull
> it.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 8, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Chris Medlin via BVARC 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I heard this story in the news this week.. that landline phones were being
> phased out.. that cellular is king… and even though I haven’t had a home
> landline in years, I do know the power of having one in times of
> infrastructural crisis… so this story just adds that extra validation of
> the importance of Ham Radio in the event of infrastructure outage.
>
> When all else fails, Ham Radio.
>
>
>
> “Don’t let them drop us!” Landline users protest AT copper retirement
> plan | Ars Technica
> <https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/dont-let-them-drop-us-landline-users-protest-att-copper-retirement-plan/>
>
>
>
> Enjoy!
>
> 73
>
> Chris/AC5CM
> 
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>
> 
> Brazos Valley

Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

2024-02-13 Thread Jeff Greer via BVARC

Fiber is nice.  Until someone digs a ditch and cuts it.  Been there, done that. 
 All of my warehouses now have 2 separate Internet connections coming in on 
disparate infrastructure, so when we lose one, we don't waste a day not 
shipping product.

-j


From: BVARC  on behalf of Bruce via BVARC 

Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 5:44 PM
To: Jeff Greer via BVARC 
Cc: Bruce 
Subject: Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

Glad our new provider is Tachus as they are 100% fiber. As long as their 
generator at their office is working, we will have internet. Good thing about 
light is that you do not need to keep amplifying it downstream.

We went to VoIP with MagicJack a long time ago when they first started. We keep 
it unplugged unless we want to make an outbound call. No spam calls that way 
and all our friends have our cell numbers.

73...bruce

On 2/13/2024 3:18 PM, Jeff Greer via BVARC wrote:
At work, we're having to convert all our old POTS lines to VoIP.  The telcos 
don't want to spend the money to keep the old copper phone lines working.  
You'll still be able to have a VoIP phone at home, but it'll be useless if you 
lose Internet.

All the more reason to know how to get a message out via ham radio.  

-j


From: BVARC <mailto:bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org> on behalf 
of AOL/ CompuServe Mail via BVARC <mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 4:25 PM
To: bvarc@bvarc.org<mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org> 
<mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org>; 
bvarc@bvarc.org<mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org> 
<mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org>
Cc: AOL/ CompuServe Mail <mailto:gmuller...@aol.com>; 
m733sha...@gmail.com<mailto:m733sha...@gmail.com> 
<mailto:m733sha...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

To all

 I have a land line and need to keep it since I have a captel phone for hard of 
hearing

In a message dated 2/8/2024 2:38:27 PM Central Standard Time, 
bvarc@bvarc.org<mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org> writes:

Yeah, I’ve had a landline for years and I don’t plan on getting rid of it 
anytime soon but unfortunately they decide to pull it. They’re gonna pull it.
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 8, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Chris Medlin via BVARC 
<mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:




I heard this story in the news this week.. that landline phones were being 
phased out.. that cellular is king… and even though I haven’t had a home 
landline in years, I do know the power of having one in times of 
infrastructural crisis… so this story just adds that extra validation of the 
importance of Ham Radio in the event of infrastructure outage.

When all else fails, Ham Radio.



“Don’t let them drop us!” Landline users protest AT copper retirement plan | 
Ars 
Technica<https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/dont-let-them-drop-us-landline-users-protest-att-copper-retirement-plan/>



Enjoy!

73

Chris/AC5CM


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of AOL/ CompuServe Mail via BVARC <mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 4:25 PM
To: bvarc@bvarc.org<mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org> 
<mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org>; 
bvarc@bvarc.org<mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org> 
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<mailto:m733sha...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

To all

 I have a land line and need to keep it since I have a captel phone for hard of 
hearing

In a message dated 2/8/2024 2:38:27 PM Central Standard Time, 
bvarc@bvarc.org<mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org> writes:

Yeah, I’ve had a landline for years and I don’t plan on getting rid of it 
anytime soon but unfortunately they decide to pull it. They’re gonna pull it.
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 8, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Chris Medlin via BVARC 
<mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:




I heard this story in the news this week.. that landline phones were being 
phased out.. that cellular is king… and even though I haven’t had a home 
landline in years, I do know the power of having one in times of 
infrastructural crisis… so this story just adds that extra validation of the 
importance of Ham Radio in the event of infrastructure outage.

Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

2024-02-13 Thread Bruce via BVARC

Glad our new provider is Tachus as they are 100% fiber. As long as their 
generator at their office is working, we will have internet. Good thing 
about light is that you do not need to keep amplifying it downstream.


We went to VoIP with MagicJack a long time ago when they first started. 
We keep it unplugged unless we want to make an outbound call. No spam 
calls that way and all our friends have our cell numbers.


73...bruce

On 2/13/2024 3:18 PM, Jeff Greer via BVARC wrote:
At work, we're having to convert all our old POTS lines to VoIP.  The 
telcos don't want to spend the money to keep the old copper phone 
lines working.  You'll still be able to have a VoIP phone at home, but 
it'll be useless if you lose Internet.


All the more reason to know how to get a message out via ham radio.  

-j


*From:* BVARC  on behalf of AOL/ CompuServe 
Mail via BVARC 

*Sent:* Thursday, February 8, 2024 4:25 PM
*To:* bvarc@bvarc.org ; bvarc@bvarc.org 
*Cc:* AOL/ CompuServe Mail ; m733sha...@gmail.com 


*Subject:* Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service
To all
 I have a land line and need to keep it since I have a captel phone 
for hard of hearing


In a message dated 2/8/2024 2:38:27 PM Central Standard Time, 
bvarc@bvarc.org writes:


Yeah, I’ve had a landline for years and I don’t plan on getting
rid of it anytime soon but unfortunately they decide to pull it.
They’re gonna pull it.
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 8, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Chris Medlin via BVARC
 wrote:

I heard this story in the news this week.. that landline phones
were being phased out.. that cellular is king… and even though I
haven’t had a home landline in years, I do know the power of
having one in times of infrastructural crisis… so this story just
adds that extra validation of the importance of Ham Radio in the
event of infrastructure outage.

When all else fails, Ham Radio.

“Don’t let them drop us!” Landline users protest AT copper
retirement plan | Ars Technica

<https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/dont-let-them-drop-us-landline-users-protest-att-copper-retirement-plan/>

Enjoy!

73

Chris/AC5CM


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Mail via BVARC 

*Sent:* Thursday, February 8, 2024 4:25 PM
*To:* bvarc@bvarc.org ; bvarc@bvarc.org 
*Cc:* AOL/ CompuServe Mail ; m733sha...@gmail.com 


*Subject:* Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service
To all
 I have a land line and need to keep it since I have a captel phone 
for hard of hearing


In a message dated 2/8/2024 2:38:27 PM Central Standard Time, 
bvarc@bvarc.org writes:


Yeah, I’ve had a landline for years and I don’t plan on getting
rid of it anytime soon but unfortunately they decide to pull it.
They’re gonna pull it.
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 8, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Chris Medlin via BVARC
 wrote:

I heard this story in the news this week.. that landline phones
were being phased out.. that cellular is king… and even though I
haven’t had a home landline in years, I do know the power of
having one in times of infrastructural crisis… so this story just
adds that extra validation of the importance of Ham Radio in the
event of infrastructure outage.

When all else fails, Ham Radio.

“Don’t let them drop us!” Landline users protest AT copper
retirement plan | Ars Technica

<https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/dont-let-them-drop-us-landline-users-protest-att-copper-retirement-plan/>

Enjoy!

73

Chris/AC5CM


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Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

2024-02-13 Thread Jeff Greer via BVARC

At work, we're having to convert all our old POTS lines to VoIP.  The telcos 
don't want to spend the money to keep the old copper phone lines working.  
You'll still be able to have a VoIP phone at home, but it'll be useless if you 
lose Internet.

All the more reason to know how to get a message out via ham radio.  

-j


From: BVARC  on behalf of AOL/ CompuServe Mail via 
BVARC 
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 4:25 PM
To: bvarc@bvarc.org ; bvarc@bvarc.org 
Cc: AOL/ CompuServe Mail ; m733sha...@gmail.com 

Subject: Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

To all

 I have a land line and need to keep it since I have a captel phone for hard of 
hearing

In a message dated 2/8/2024 2:38:27 PM Central Standard Time, bvarc@bvarc.org 
writes:

Yeah, I’ve had a landline for years and I don’t plan on getting rid of it 
anytime soon but unfortunately they decide to pull it. They’re gonna pull it.
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 8, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Chris Medlin via BVARC  wrote:




I heard this story in the news this week.. that landline phones were being 
phased out.. that cellular is king… and even though I haven’t had a home 
landline in years, I do know the power of having one in times of 
infrastructural crisis… so this story just adds that extra validation of the 
importance of Ham Radio in the event of infrastructure outage.

When all else fails, Ham Radio.



“Don’t let them drop us!” Landline users protest AT copper retirement plan | 
Ars 
Technica<https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/dont-let-them-drop-us-landline-users-protest-att-copper-retirement-plan/>



Enjoy!

73

Chris/AC5CM


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From: BVARC  on behalf of AOL/ CompuServe Mail via 
BVARC 
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 4:25 PM
To: bvarc@bvarc.org ; bvarc@bvarc.org 
Cc: AOL/ CompuServe Mail ; m733sha...@gmail.com 

Subject: Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

To all

 I have a land line and need to keep it since I have a captel phone for hard of 
hearing

In a message dated 2/8/2024 2:38:27 PM Central Standard Time, bvarc@bvarc.org 
writes:

Yeah, I’ve had a landline for years and I don’t plan on getting rid of it 
anytime soon but unfortunately they decide to pull it. They’re gonna pull it.
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 8, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Chris Medlin via BVARC  wrote:




I heard this story in the news this week.. that landline phones were being 
phased out.. that cellular is king… and even though I haven’t had a home 
landline in years, I do know the power of having one in times of 
infrastructural crisis… so this story just adds that extra validation of the 
importance of Ham Radio in the event of infrastructure outage.

When all else fails, Ham Radio.



“Don’t let them drop us!” Landline users protest AT copper retirement plan | 
Ars 
Technica<https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/dont-let-them-drop-us-landline-users-protest-att-copper-retirement-plan/>



Enjoy!

73

Chris/AC5CM


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Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

2024-02-08 Thread AOL/ CompuServe Mail via BVARC

To all
  I have a land line and need to keep it since I have a captel phone for hard 
of hearing
In a message dated 2/8/2024 2:38:27 PM Central Standard Time, bvarc@bvarc.org 
writes: 
Yeah, I’ve had a landline for years and I don’t plan on getting rid of it 
anytime soon but unfortunately they decide to pull it. They’re gonna pull it.
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 8, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Chris Medlin via BVARC  wrote:



 
 
I heard this story in the news this week.. that landline phones were being 
phased out.. that cellular is king… and even though I haven’t had a home 
landline in years, I do know the power of having one in times of 
infrastructural crisis… so this story just adds that extra validation of the 
importance of Ham Radio in the event of infrastructure outage.

When all else fails, Ham Radio.

 

“Don’t let them drop us!” Landline users protest AT copper retirement plan | 
Ars Technica

 

Enjoy!

73

Chris/AC5CM

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Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

2024-02-08 Thread Robert Polinski via BVARC

They are not phasing out landlines, just copper POTS lines. Landlines still
come in other forms, by way of fiber or coax. The cost of installing and
maintaining copper wires, 1 pr from your house to the switching station,
where it is converted to fiber anyway, is very high. The only advantage of a
POTS line is that it goes to a fixed location, which can be easily located
by the 911 system. All other phone connections are VOIP. The phone or IP
address must offer a location, ether by a connected GPS (most cell phones)
or by a firmware programmed into the phone. A hi rise bldg. with 600 POTS
lines needs a 600 pr cable to serve it all the way back to the  exchange.
With VOIP needs only 1 fiber cable. If you have a new subdivision that has
FTTH (fiber to the home) that has 1000 homes, current regulations require
the POTS carrier to provide copper pair, even though few if any will use
them. Lots of money installed for few users. The reason to change the
regulations is so if every on the block has some source of internet service,
byway of fiber, coax or wireless, and you still use a POTS line and the 100
pr cable fails on your street, they do not have to replace the cable, just
put fiber in an a VOIP phone or VOIP to POTS converter. I like POTS lines,
but times change & so does equipment. Robert KD5YVQ

 

From: BVARC  On Behalf Of Chris Medlin via BVARC
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2024 1:39 PM
To: bvarc@bvarc.org
Cc: Chris Medlin 
Subject: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

 

I heard this story in the news this week.. that landline phones were being
phased out.. that cellular is king. and even though I haven't had a home
landline in years, I do know the power of having one in times of
infrastructural crisis. so this story just adds that extra validation of the
importance of Ham Radio in the event of infrastructure outage.

When all else fails, Ham Radio. 

 

 
<https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/dont-let-them-drop-us-landline-
users-protest-att-copper-retirement-plan/> "Don't let them drop us!"
Landline users protest AT copper retirement plan | Ars Technica

 

Enjoy!

73

Chris/AC5CM


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Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

2024-02-08 Thread Michael Shanks via BVARC

Yeah, I’ve had a landline for years and I don’t plan on getting rid of it anytime soon but unfortunately they decide to pull it. They’re gonna pull it.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 8, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Chris Medlin via BVARC  wrote:







I heard this story in the news this week.. that landline phones were being phased out.. that cellular is king… and even though I haven’t had a home landline in years, I do know the power of having one in times of infrastructural crisis…
 so this story just adds that extra validation of the importance of Ham Radio in the event of infrastructure outage.
When all else fails, Ham Radio. 
 
“Don’t let them drop us!” Landline users protest AT copper retirement plan | Ars Technica
 
Enjoy!
73
Chris/AC5CM



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[BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

2024-02-08 Thread Chris Medlin via BVARC

I heard this story in the news this week.. that landline phones were being 
phased out.. that cellular is king... and even though I haven't had a home 
landline in years, I do know the power of having one in times of 
infrastructural crisis... so this story just adds that extra validation of the 
importance of Ham Radio in the event of infrastructure outage.
When all else fails, Ham Radio.

"Don't let them drop us!" Landline users protest AT copper retirement plan | 
Ars 
Technica

Enjoy!
73
Chris/AC5CM

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