Re: Cake vs other frameworks benchmarks
The automagic is the slow part in my opinion. On May 19, 1:08 am, Bogdan I. Bursuc bogdanbursu...@gmail.com wrote: Plus there is the features a framework can offer. If a framework has 3 classes don't think it helps u that much. But a framework like Cake which has a lot of automagic which if you understand is very usefull. Might speed things up. -- Thanks, Bogdan Bursuc! I also just read the summary: Final Advice: There is more to consider than speed when selecting a PHP framework; other factors such as security, ease of installation and database support have to be examined as well. Other frameworks may be slower but have greater and wider community support, in case you have some trouble with the framework there are lots of users that could help who have working experience with that framework. This is true with CakePHP, Symfony and Zend framework, all of which are very popular among PHP developers. Jeremy Burns Class Outfit jeremybu...@classoutfit.com http://www.classoutfit.com On 19 May 2011, at 08:56, Jeremy Burns | Class Outfit wrote: Put Michael Schumacher at the wheel of a Skoda and I bet he could beat me in Ferarri. Benchmarks are mildy interesting, at best. Jeremy Burns Class Outfit jeremybu...@classoutfit.com http://www.classoutfit.com On 19 May 2011, at 08:53, Bogdan I. Bursuc wrote: I've been using Cake 2.0 since 2.0-dev and I say that we should wait for the final release and then see the benchmarks. It's way faster than 1.3. And with so many new cool features. -- Thanks, Bogdan Bursuc! On May 19, 7:30 am, mutabor kostya.stepa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, Lately, I came across another benchmark of popular PHP frameworks: http://www.devshed.com/c/a/PHP/7-PHP-Frameworks-Tested-For-Speed/2/ This is approx. 3rd or 4th benchmark of this type that I came across during last couple of month and in every benchmark Cake shows pretty poor results. As a head of a company that specializes in CakePHP, I am very worried about Cake's future. Because even all of these benchmarks are wrong / have incorrect results, our customers still trust them and I start hearing Anything, but not Cake, please, look at this benchmark seems it's not a good piece of software from our customers. The usual problem with these benchmarks - is they don't set cake up correctly in the first place (they use it out of the box; cake ships in debug mode, with the session enabled etc.). And correcting that is in the hands of the person publishing their results. But: How many of your clients use hello world apps? Something should be done, even if there is no opportunity to increase the speed, I guess Cake should apply some kind of PR actions :) The best thing that could be done in your eyes is for someone to dedicate a bit of time making cake faster - if only you had a few developers you could call upon to do that ... :) AD -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Cake vs other frameworks benchmarks
Plus the concessions required for PHP 4, such as not being able to 'lazy load' objects (e.g. associated models) on demand. On May 20, 12:02 am, Miles J mileswjohn...@gmail.com wrote: The automagic is the slow part in my opinion. On May 19, 1:08 am, Bogdan I. Bursuc bogdanbursu...@gmail.com wrote: Plus there is the features a framework can offer. If a framework has 3 classes don't think it helps u that much. But a framework like Cake which has a lot of automagic which if you understand is very usefull. Might speed things up. -- Thanks, Bogdan Bursuc! I also just read the summary: Final Advice: There is more to consider than speed when selecting a PHP framework; other factors such as security, ease of installation and database support have to be examined as well. Other frameworks may be slower but have greater and wider community support, in case you have some trouble with the framework there are lots of users that could help who have working experience with that framework. This is true with CakePHP, Symfony and Zend framework, all of which are very popular among PHP developers. Jeremy Burns Class Outfit jeremybu...@classoutfit.com http://www.classoutfit.com On 19 May 2011, at 08:56, Jeremy Burns | Class Outfit wrote: Put Michael Schumacher at the wheel of a Skoda and I bet he could beat me in Ferarri. Benchmarks are mildy interesting, at best. Jeremy Burns Class Outfit jeremybu...@classoutfit.com http://www.classoutfit.com On 19 May 2011, at 08:53, Bogdan I. Bursuc wrote: I've been using Cake 2.0 since 2.0-dev and I say that we should wait for the final release and then see the benchmarks. It's way faster than 1.3. And with so many new cool features. -- Thanks, Bogdan Bursuc! On May 19, 7:30 am, mutabor kostya.stepa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, Lately, I came across another benchmark of popular PHP frameworks: http://www.devshed.com/c/a/PHP/7-PHP-Frameworks-Tested-For-Speed/2/ This is approx. 3rd or 4th benchmark of this type that I came across during last couple of month and in every benchmark Cake shows pretty poor results. As a head of a company that specializes in CakePHP, I am very worried about Cake's future. Because even all of these benchmarks are wrong / have incorrect results, our customers still trust them and I start hearing Anything, but not Cake, please, look at this benchmark seems it's not a good piece of software from our customers. The usual problem with these benchmarks - is they don't set cake up correctly in the first place (they use it out of the box; cake ships in debug mode, with the session enabled etc.). And correcting that is in the hands of the person publishing their results. But: How many of your clients use hello world apps? Something should be done, even if there is no opportunity to increase the speed, I guess Cake should apply some kind of PR actions :) The best thing that could be done in your eyes is for someone to dedicate a bit of time making cake faster - if only you had a few developers you could call upon to do that ... :) AD -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Cake vs other frameworks benchmarks
Hello, Concerning the PHP 4 'concessions' Jamie addressed: http://phpadvent.org/2010/usage-statistics-by-ilia-alshanetsky In this scenario you even have to add the percentage of PHP 5.1, since a lot of the other mentioned frameworks require PHP 5.2+. So it's even a 30% 'market' share, that CakePHP 1.3.x inherits as a in my oppinion dominant position as a framework for PHP4. I can remeber that after the move from trac to lighthouse PHP 4 tickets were still filed there every now and then. On 20 Mai, 19:35, Jamie jamie@gmail.com wrote: Plus the concessions required for PHP 4, such as not being able to 'lazy load' objects (e.g. associated models) on demand. On May 20, 12:02 am, Miles J mileswjohn...@gmail.com wrote: The automagic is the slow part in my opinion. On May 19, 1:08 am, Bogdan I. Bursuc bogdanbursu...@gmail.com wrote: Plus there is the features a framework can offer. If a framework has 3 classes don't think it helps u that much. But a framework like Cake which has a lot of automagic which if you understand is very usefull. Might speed things up. -- Thanks, Bogdan Bursuc! I also just read the summary: Final Advice: There is more to consider than speed when selecting a PHP framework; other factors such as security, ease of installation and database support have to be examined as well. Other frameworks may be slower but have greater and wider community support, in case you have some trouble with the framework there are lots of users that could help who have working experience with that framework. This is true with CakePHP, Symfony and Zend framework, all of which are very popular among PHP developers. Jeremy Burns Class Outfit jeremybu...@classoutfit.com http://www.classoutfit.com On 19 May 2011, at 08:56, Jeremy Burns | Class Outfit wrote: Put Michael Schumacher at the wheel of a Skoda and I bet he could beat me in Ferarri. Benchmarks are mildy interesting, at best. Jeremy Burns Class Outfit jeremybu...@classoutfit.com http://www.classoutfit.com On 19 May 2011, at 08:53, Bogdan I. Bursuc wrote: I've been using Cake 2.0 since 2.0-dev and I say that we should wait for the final release and then see the benchmarks. It's way faster than 1.3. And with so many new cool features. -- Thanks, Bogdan Bursuc! On May 19, 7:30 am, mutabor kostya.stepa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, Lately, I came across another benchmark of popular PHP frameworks: http://www.devshed.com/c/a/PHP/7-PHP-Frameworks-Tested-For-Speed/2/ This is approx. 3rd or 4th benchmark of this type that I came across during last couple of month and in every benchmark Cake shows pretty poor results. As a head of a company that specializes in CakePHP, I am very worried about Cake's future. Because even all of these benchmarks are wrong / have incorrect results, our customers still trust them and I start hearing Anything, but not Cake, please, look at this benchmark seems it's not a good piece of software from our customers. The usual problem with these benchmarks - is they don't set cake up correctly in the first place (they use it out of the box; cake ships in debug mode, with the session enabled etc.). And correcting that is in the hands of the person publishing their results. But: How many of your clients use hello world apps? Something should be done, even if there is no opportunity to increase the speed, I guess Cake should apply some kind of PR actions :) The best thing that could be done in your eyes is for someone to dedicate a bit of time making cake faster - if only you had a few developers you could call upon to do that ... :) AD -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Cake vs other frameworks benchmarks
On May 19, 7:30 am, mutabor kostya.stepa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, Lately, I came across another benchmark of popular PHP frameworks: http://www.devshed.com/c/a/PHP/7-PHP-Frameworks-Tested-For-Speed/2/ This is approx. 3rd or 4th benchmark of this type that I came across during last couple of month and in every benchmark Cake shows pretty poor results. As a head of a company that specializes in CakePHP, I am very worried about Cake's future. Because even all of these benchmarks are wrong / have incorrect results, our customers still trust them and I start hearing Anything, but not Cake, please, look at this benchmark seems it's not a good piece of software from our customers. The usual problem with these benchmarks - is they don't set cake up correctly in the first place (they use it out of the box; cake ships in debug mode, with the session enabled etc.). And correcting that is in the hands of the person publishing their results. But: How many of your clients use hello world apps? Something should be done, even if there is no opportunity to increase the speed, I guess Cake should apply some kind of PR actions :) The best thing that could be done in your eyes is for someone to dedicate a bit of time making cake faster - if only you had a few developers you could call upon to do that ... :) AD -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Cake vs other frameworks benchmarks
I've been using Cake 2.0 since 2.0-dev and I say that we should wait for the final release and then see the benchmarks. It's way faster than 1.3. And with so many new cool features. -- Thanks, Bogdan Bursuc! On May 19, 7:30 am, mutabor kostya.stepa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, Lately, I came across another benchmark of popular PHP frameworks: http://www.devshed.com/c/a/PHP/7-PHP-Frameworks-Tested-For-Speed/2/ This is approx. 3rd or 4th benchmark of this type that I came across during last couple of month and in every benchmark Cake shows pretty poor results. As a head of a company that specializes in CakePHP, I am very worried about Cake's future. Because even all of these benchmarks are wrong / have incorrect results, our customers still trust them and I start hearing Anything, but not Cake, please, look at this benchmark seems it's not a good piece of software from our customers. The usual problem with these benchmarks - is they don't set cake up correctly in the first place (they use it out of the box; cake ships in debug mode, with the session enabled etc.). And correcting that is in the hands of the person publishing their results. But: How many of your clients use hello world apps? Something should be done, even if there is no opportunity to increase the speed, I guess Cake should apply some kind of PR actions :) The best thing that could be done in your eyes is for someone to dedicate a bit of time making cake faster - if only you had a few developers you could call upon to do that ... :) AD -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Cake vs other frameworks benchmarks
Put Michael Schumacher at the wheel of a Skoda and I bet he could beat me in Ferarri. Benchmarks are mildy interesting, at best. Jeremy Burns Class Outfit jeremybu...@classoutfit.com http://www.classoutfit.com On 19 May 2011, at 08:53, Bogdan I. Bursuc wrote: I've been using Cake 2.0 since 2.0-dev and I say that we should wait for the final release and then see the benchmarks. It's way faster than 1.3. And with so many new cool features. -- Thanks, Bogdan Bursuc! On May 19, 7:30 am, mutabor kostya.stepa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, Lately, I came across another benchmark of popular PHP frameworks: http://www.devshed.com/c/a/PHP/7-PHP-Frameworks-Tested-For-Speed/2/ This is approx. 3rd or 4th benchmark of this type that I came across during last couple of month and in every benchmark Cake shows pretty poor results. As a head of a company that specializes in CakePHP, I am very worried about Cake's future. Because even all of these benchmarks are wrong / have incorrect results, our customers still trust them and I start hearing Anything, but not Cake, please, look at this benchmark seems it's not a good piece of software from our customers. The usual problem with these benchmarks - is they don't set cake up correctly in the first place (they use it out of the box; cake ships in debug mode, with the session enabled etc.). And correcting that is in the hands of the person publishing their results. But: How many of your clients use hello world apps? Something should be done, even if there is no opportunity to increase the speed, I guess Cake should apply some kind of PR actions :) The best thing that could be done in your eyes is for someone to dedicate a bit of time making cake faster - if only you had a few developers you could call upon to do that ... :) AD -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Cake vs other frameworks benchmarks
I also just read the summary: Final Advice: There is more to consider than speed when selecting a PHP framework; other factors such as security, ease of installation and database support have to be examined as well. Other frameworks may be slower but have greater and wider community support, in case you have some trouble with the framework there are lots of users that could help who have working experience with that framework. This is true with CakePHP, Symfony and Zend framework, all of which are very popular among PHP developers. Jeremy Burns Class Outfit jeremybu...@classoutfit.com http://www.classoutfit.com On 19 May 2011, at 08:56, Jeremy Burns | Class Outfit wrote: Put Michael Schumacher at the wheel of a Skoda and I bet he could beat me in Ferarri. Benchmarks are mildy interesting, at best. Jeremy Burns Class Outfit jeremybu...@classoutfit.com http://www.classoutfit.com On 19 May 2011, at 08:53, Bogdan I. Bursuc wrote: I've been using Cake 2.0 since 2.0-dev and I say that we should wait for the final release and then see the benchmarks. It's way faster than 1.3. And with so many new cool features. -- Thanks, Bogdan Bursuc! On May 19, 7:30 am, mutabor kostya.stepa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, Lately, I came across another benchmark of popular PHP frameworks: http://www.devshed.com/c/a/PHP/7-PHP-Frameworks-Tested-For-Speed/2/ This is approx. 3rd or 4th benchmark of this type that I came across during last couple of month and in every benchmark Cake shows pretty poor results. As a head of a company that specializes in CakePHP, I am very worried about Cake's future. Because even all of these benchmarks are wrong / have incorrect results, our customers still trust them and I start hearing Anything, but not Cake, please, look at this benchmark seems it's not a good piece of software from our customers. The usual problem with these benchmarks - is they don't set cake up correctly in the first place (they use it out of the box; cake ships in debug mode, with the session enabled etc.). And correcting that is in the hands of the person publishing their results. But: How many of your clients use hello world apps? Something should be done, even if there is no opportunity to increase the speed, I guess Cake should apply some kind of PR actions :) The best thing that could be done in your eyes is for someone to dedicate a bit of time making cake faster - if only you had a few developers you could call upon to do that ... :) AD -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Cake vs other frameworks benchmarks
Plus there is the features a framework can offer. If a framework has 3 classes don't think it helps u that much. But a framework like Cake which has a lot of automagic which if you understand is very usefull. Might speed things up. -- Thanks, Bogdan Bursuc! I also just read the summary: Final Advice: There is more to consider than speed when selecting a PHP framework; other factors such as security, ease of installation and database support have to be examined as well. Other frameworks may be slower but have greater and wider community support, in case you have some trouble with the framework there are lots of users that could help who have working experience with that framework. This is true with CakePHP, Symfony and Zend framework, all of which are very popular among PHP developers. Jeremy Burns Class Outfit jeremybu...@classoutfit.com http://www.classoutfit.com On 19 May 2011, at 08:56, Jeremy Burns | Class Outfit wrote: Put Michael Schumacher at the wheel of a Skoda and I bet he could beat me in Ferarri. Benchmarks are mildy interesting, at best. Jeremy Burns Class Outfit jeremybu...@classoutfit.com http://www.classoutfit.com On 19 May 2011, at 08:53, Bogdan I. Bursuc wrote: I've been using Cake 2.0 since 2.0-dev and I say that we should wait for the final release and then see the benchmarks. It's way faster than 1.3. And with so many new cool features. -- Thanks, Bogdan Bursuc! On May 19, 7:30 am, mutabor kostya.stepa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, Lately, I came across another benchmark of popular PHP frameworks: http://www.devshed.com/c/a/PHP/7-PHP-Frameworks-Tested-For-Speed/2/ This is approx. 3rd or 4th benchmark of this type that I came across during last couple of month and in every benchmark Cake shows pretty poor results. As a head of a company that specializes in CakePHP, I am very worried about Cake's future. Because even all of these benchmarks are wrong / have incorrect results, our customers still trust them and I start hearing Anything, but not Cake, please, look at this benchmark seems it's not a good piece of software from our customers. The usual problem with these benchmarks - is they don't set cake up correctly in the first place (they use it out of the box; cake ships in debug mode, with the session enabled etc.). And correcting that is in the hands of the person publishing their results. But: How many of your clients use hello world apps? Something should be done, even if there is no opportunity to increase the speed, I guess Cake should apply some kind of PR actions :) The best thing that could be done in your eyes is for someone to dedicate a bit of time making cake faster - if only you had a few developers you could call upon to do that ... :) AD -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Cake vs other frameworks benchmarks
This benchmark seems to be pretty senseless. The article does not provide any reason for using a framework when calling the hello controller. It does not state anything about the configuration of the frameworks or anything. So what is the intention of that article? Does anyone use a framework like this? Download, write 2 lines of code, deploy? How can a benchmark like this worry anyone that is not a total beginner in software development? On May 19, 7:30 am, mutabor kostya.stepa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, Lately, I came across another benchmark of popular PHP frameworks: http://www.devshed.com/c/a/PHP/7-PHP-Frameworks-Tested-For-Speed/2/ This is approx. 3rd or 4th benchmark of this type that I came across during last couple of month and in every benchmark Cake shows pretty poor results. As a head of a company that specializes in CakePHP, I am very worried about Cake's future. Because even all of these benchmarks are wrong / have incorrect results, our customers still trust them and I start hearing Anything, but not Cake, please, look at this benchmark seems it's not a good piece of software from our customers. Something should be done, even if there is no opportunity to increase the speed, I guess Cake should apply some kind of PR actions :) -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Cake vs other frameworks benchmarks
Guys, I am not refer to this particular benchmark as there are a lot of them and of course I do not mean that Cake is bad/slow/etc ... but they do play their role of making people's (newbies, clients) opinion of what to use for their projects and that's the real problem as it may reduce CakePHP community. On May 19, 12:01 pm, Jens Dittrich jdittr...@gmail.com wrote: This benchmark seems to be pretty senseless. The article does not provide any reason for using a framework when calling the hello controller. It does not state anything about the configuration of the frameworks or anything. So what is the intention of that article? Does anyone use a framework like this? Download, write 2 lines of code, deploy? How can a benchmark like this worry anyone that is not a total beginner in software development? On May 19, 7:30 am, mutabor kostya.stepa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, Lately, I came across another benchmark of popular PHP frameworks: http://www.devshed.com/c/a/PHP/7-PHP-Frameworks-Tested-For-Speed/2/ This is approx. 3rd or 4th benchmark of this type that I came across during last couple of month and in every benchmark Cake shows pretty poor results. As a head of a company that specializes in CakePHP, I am very worried about Cake's future. Because even all of these benchmarks are wrong / have incorrect results, our customers still trust them and I start hearing Anything, but not Cake, please, look at this benchmark seems it's not a good piece of software from our customers. Something should be done, even if there is no opportunity to increase the speed, I guess Cake should apply some kind of PR actions :) -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Cake vs other frameworks benchmarks
Possibly, but if you play your role correctly as the technical expert, they should listen to you, your experience and your advice. Jeremy Burns Class Outfit jeremybu...@classoutfit.com http://www.classoutfit.com On 19 May 2011, at 12:23, mutabor wrote: Guys, I am not refer to this particular benchmark as there are a lot of them and of course I do not mean that Cake is bad/slow/etc ... but they do play their role of making people's (newbies, clients) opinion of what to use for their projects and that's the real problem as it may reduce CakePHP community. On May 19, 12:01 pm, Jens Dittrich jdittr...@gmail.com wrote: This benchmark seems to be pretty senseless. The article does not provide any reason for using a framework when calling the hello controller. It does not state anything about the configuration of the frameworks or anything. So what is the intention of that article? Does anyone use a framework like this? Download, write 2 lines of code, deploy? How can a benchmark like this worry anyone that is not a total beginner in software development? On May 19, 7:30 am, mutabor kostya.stepa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, Lately, I came across another benchmark of popular PHP frameworks: http://www.devshed.com/c/a/PHP/7-PHP-Frameworks-Tested-For-Speed/2/ This is approx. 3rd or 4th benchmark of this type that I came across during last couple of month and in every benchmark Cake shows pretty poor results. As a head of a company that specializes in CakePHP, I am very worried about Cake's future. Because even all of these benchmarks are wrong / have incorrect results, our customers still trust them and I start hearing Anything, but not Cake, please, look at this benchmark seems it's not a good piece of software from our customers. Something should be done, even if there is no opportunity to increase the speed, I guess Cake should apply some kind of PR actions :) -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Cake vs other frameworks benchmarks
Guys, I am not refer to this particular benchmark as there are a lot of them and of course I do not mean that Cake is bad/slow/etc ... but they do play their role of making people's (newbies, clients) opinion of what to use for their projects and that's the real problem as it may reduce CakePHP community. mutabor, I wish I had to time to follow every amateur trying to pull traffic to their site with these lame excuses of benchmarks. Over the last 6 years I have responded to numerous benchmarks like this and even given the person setting up these benchmarks advice on turning off some of the magic in CakePHP so it is more in line with the setup of the others tested. As a user of the framework you have just as much ability to put these claims to rest as anyone working on the CakePHP core team. -- Larry E. Masters -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Cake vs other frameworks benchmarks
I like the part where every new framework always wins the benchmark they run. Yii did the same thing when they came out, and I'm pretty sure Symfony2 has also published benchmarks where they won. Writing benchmarks is hard, and easy to create slanted/wrong results. To be honest in development mode CakePHP is slow, but you can easily get a 2x performance increase by setting things up in a non-noob fashion. And the core team is concerned about performance, and improving it. If you checkout the in development branch of 2.0, you'll see some significant improvement. -Mark On May 19, 1:30 am, mutabor kostya.stepa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, Lately, I came across another benchmark of popular PHP frameworks: http://www.devshed.com/c/a/PHP/7-PHP-Frameworks-Tested-For-Speed/2/ This is approx. 3rd or 4th benchmark of this type that I came across during last couple of month and in every benchmark Cake shows pretty poor results. As a head of a company that specializes in CakePHP, I am very worried about Cake's future. Because even all of these benchmarks are wrong / have incorrect results, our customers still trust them and I start hearing Anything, but not Cake, please, look at this benchmark seems it's not a good piece of software from our customers. Something should be done, even if there is no opportunity to increase the speed, I guess Cake should apply some kind of PR actions :) -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Cake vs other frameworks benchmarks
Hi guys, Lately, I came across another benchmark of popular PHP frameworks: http://www.devshed.com/c/a/PHP/7-PHP-Frameworks-Tested-For-Speed/2/ This is approx. 3rd or 4th benchmark of this type that I came across during last couple of month and in every benchmark Cake shows pretty poor results. As a head of a company that specializes in CakePHP, I am very worried about Cake's future. Because even all of these benchmarks are wrong / have incorrect results, our customers still trust them and I start hearing Anything, but not Cake, please, look at this benchmark seems it's not a good piece of software from our customers. Something should be done, even if there is no opportunity to increase the speed, I guess Cake should apply some kind of PR actions :) -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
